Declared wet meetings?

[CHOPPA]

Just wanted to check the rules on tyres for wet meetings, do you have to run wet tyres? or are the likes of supercorsas allowed to be used seen they have grooves?

Really my point is just that if you dont have wets on it will make life very differcult and even dangerous to yourself and other riders if you try to race on slicks or semi slicks.

If you get stuck at a meeting just ask around, come see me i may have an old set to sell cheap but generally theres always someone around to help

[gpercivl]

I'm pretty sure the rule is that if it's declared wet then no slicks are allowed on the circuit. Production tyres are allowed so the Super Corsa's are OK but in that much rain they wouldn't be much fun.

[scracha]

etc then i see people floudering around on a extremely wet circuit with no wets, to me this is way more careless and a danger to other riders...
Wets aren't available for some of the post classic bikes mate.

[k14]

I'm pretty sure the rule is that if it's declared wet then no slicks are allowed on the circuit. Production tyres are allowed so the Super Corsa's are OK but in that much rain they wouldn't be much fun.
Maybe for supersport but for 125's anything goes tyre wise. You can run wets in the dry and slicks in the wet, or any combination you can think of. As far as I understand the only difference after a meeting is declared wet is the officials will not stop a race if it starts to rain halfway through and everyone is on slicks. If however the meeting hasn't been declared wet and it pisses down then the officials will red flag the race and the normal restart rules etc will come into play. If it does get restarted then everyone will be given a fair amount of time to put their wets on.

[CHOPPA]

my main point is i saw a heap of bikes crashing out cause they didnt have suitable tyres on, to me thats not fair if another rider was taken out due to this. Its like scrutineering, they dont let you ride with a loose steering head for instance cause it may cause you to crash but not half as much as slicks would on a wet track....

and just because they dont make a suitable tyre for a bike to suit conditions its not a valid argument imo when it comes to something like riders safty, if its not safe dont ride it....

Its not something i can ever see getting changed in the rulebooks id just think people should take it upon themselves to make sure your not making your racing more dangerous then it should be. Over the weekend i helped out a couple of guys with my old wet tyres and a couple more with just suggestion that its not worth the risk. Even the guy in the shed next to me, i told him to put his wets on but he didnt and he crashed first lap, so straight after practice i let him use all my gear so he could get them on asap

[k14]

Its the mnz stewards who are trusted with making the judgement call if its too dangerous for someone to go out on slicks/dry tyres in the rain and if so they can stop them going out. It isn't always dodgy, just depends on the rider. I won a bucket race on slicks at levels on a drenched track on saturday, beating more than one bike riding on wets.

[xr-rider]

Wets aren't available for some of the post classic bikes mate.

they could always change the rim if there isnt wets avalible for there rims

[Robert Taylor]

my main point is i saw a heap of bikes crashing out cause they didnt have suitable tyres on, to me thats not fair if another rider was taken out due to this. Its like scrutineering, they dont let you ride with a loose steering head for instance cause it may cause you to crash but not half as much as slicks would on a wet track....

and just because they dont make a suitable tyre for a bike to suit conditions its not a valid argument imo when it comes to something like riders safty, if its not safe dont ride it....

Its not something i can ever see getting changed in the rulebooks id just think people should take it upon themselves to make sure your not making your racing more dangerous then it should be. Over the weekend i helped out a couple of guys with my old wet tyres and a couple more with just suggestion that its not worth the risk. Even the guy in the shed next to me, i told him to put his wets on but he didnt and he crashed first lap, so straight after practice i let him use all my gear so he could get them on asap

Mate, considering the limited time you have been road racing you can be well proud of your speed and having a sensible head on your shoulders, well in evidence over the weekend. Please encourage more ex puddle jumpers to cross over to road racing, the likes of you and Johnie ''Beserkhart'' have already enrichened the road race community.

[sAsLEX]

they could always change the rim if there isnt wets avalible for there rims

Dont they have to use original equipment?

[scracha]

they could always change the rim if there isnt wets avalible for there rims
1) Not sure if the post classic rules allow this?
2) 17" rear rims for certain bikes are like gold dust.
3) Nobody is gonna dictate to moi what tyres I should be using.

This thread is a rehash of another thread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=55642

[Buddha#81]

It isn't always dodgy, just depends on the rider. I won a bucket race on slicks at levels on a drenched track on saturday, beating more than one bike riding on wets.

Thats 'cause you're a retard.

At Levels riders breifing the MNZ officals basicly said that they would allow slicks, its the riders choice. But if we started crashing they would only let treaded tyres on the track.

Funnily, the crashed bikes I saw either had full wets or road tyres. Both my bikes were on slicks and at the speed I was going, crashing through lack of momentum was my only threat.

[Buddha#81]

Dont they have to use original equipment?

Pre'82 &'89 wheels and tyres are open.......I run 17" CBR wheels on my '82 GSX400 Pre'82 bike.

[ajturbo]

Both my bikes were on slicks and at the speed I was going, crashing through lack of momentum was my only threat.

hahahaha... thats why i had my FIRST crash at manfield... going tooo slow into turn one... hahahahah



riped and gouged pride....:whocares:

[xr-rider]

hahahaha... thats why i had my FIRST crash at manfield... going tooo slow into turn one... hahahahah



riped and gouged pride....:whocares:

that would mean you would fall off on every corner. its because you were being a bloody smartarse

[Buddha#81]

hahahaha... thats why i had my FIRST crash at manfield... going tooo slow into turn one... hahahahah



riped and gouged pride....:whocares:

Last trip to Levels I crashed in turn one on the warmup lap:crybaby:.......bloody buckets, the warm up lap is always the most competitive for good grid position.

Sorry Choppa.....back on track!

[Burrt Badger]

Here are "The rules".

Once a race meeting hs been declared "Wet" (ie: riders started on a dry track and for the first time that race day it rained and a race was stopped and the meeting was declared "Wet") racing will not be stopped for "Climatic" conditions again unless the track is pooling and aquaplaning is possible. The race can them be stopped on Safety grounds. Riders can choose their tyres, Slicks, Wets or internediates, but the races will not be stoped again simply because it rains.
Here is the rule:

`Stopping and Restarting a Race`
Road Race Events
Should it be necessary to stop a race due to an accident or if climatic or other conditions
make it hazardous to continue, a red flag will be displayed by the steward, or his deputy,
at the finish line. A minimum of 3 (three) more red flags are to be displayed
simultaneously around the circuit, one of which shall be the last flag point before the
finish line. In addition, all flag points not displaying red flags are to wave yellow flags.
Upon sighting the red flag riders are to cease racing immediately and, after passing the
finish line red flag complete 1 (one) further lap at touring pace before returning to the pit
lane, or the safest point on the track at the discretion of the steward (this point to be
announced at riders briefing), grid where they will stop and await further instructions.
The decision to stop a race for whatever the reason can only come from the Steward or in
his/her absence the Clerk of the Course. For climatic reasons the race can only be stopped
once. The conditions under which the race will be restarted are as follows: the number of
laps referred to in A and B is the number of laps effected before the lap in which the race
is stopped.
A. If two laps or less are completed:
a. The original start shall be declared null and void.
All riders taking part in the original start shall be allowed to restart either on the
original machine or on another machine provided it has been approved as fit to race
by the machine examiners. The restarted race shall be for the full race distance and
the original grid positions will be used. The place of any motorcycle unable to take
part in the restart shall be left vacant.
b. If it is not possible to restart the race, no points will be awarded towards the
championships.
c. In all cases where a restart takes place, this will be 30 minutes at the latest after
the initial race has been stopped.
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Updates in bold print Updated – effective 1 July 2007
B. If three or more laps but less than two thirds of the race distance have taken place.
a. The race shall be considered to be more than one part. The race positions at the
end of the lap preceding the stopping of the race. In all cases where a restart takes
place, this will be 30 minutes at the latest after the previous part has stopped.
b. The distance of the restarted race will be that required make up the initial full race
distance.
c. The grid for the restart will be in the order of the machines at the end of the
preceding part.
d. Only those riders who have accomplished at least 65% of the laps realised by the
first rider of the proceeding part will be authorised to restart. Machines may be
repaired or replaced.
e. Half points will be awarded to each part. If it is impossible to restart the race, half
points only will be awarded towards the championship.
C. If two thirds of the race distance is completed:
a. This shall be declared a full race. The finishing order shall be at the end of the lap
preceding the stopping of the race.
b. Full championship points will be awarded.

[roadracingoldfart]

Just wanted to check the rules on tyres for wet meetings, do you have to run wet tyres? or are the likes of supercorsas allowed to be used seen they have grooves?

Any how my point is at taupo i had a tiny bit like maybe 3mls of brake fluid splash on my visor and it seemed everyone was saying how careless and dangerous it was of me to keep riding in the interest of other riders safty etc etc then i see people floudering around on a extremely wet circuit with no wets, to me this is way more careless and a danger to other riders...

A bike on a tyre thats suspect for the track conditions is never the same as a bike leaking fluid on the track and if its known before entering the track , thats just ignorant and selfish. Small leaks can become big ones without warning, thats dangerous for all.

Instead of asking this type of question on a public forum like here (where every answer is differant) , why dont you consult the rule book . Most people dont appear familiar with it and yet all competition riders get given a copy. I personally have it handy at every track event i go to , mainly to clarify the amount of shit i hear spun by totally ignorant mouthpieces.
I always condone any question and its never stupid but its a subjective thing for these types of forums when a few finger licks will get you a clear and acurate answer from the rule book then it can be shared as fact if desired.
PS; no i wont quote the rule section covering wet races , find it yourself.

Ohh fuck , another persons going to be pissed at me now.:rolleyes:

Paul.

[ajturbo]

Ohh fuck , another persons going to be pissed at me now.:rolleyes:

Paul.
is that 2 or 3 now???:laugh:

lol
nicky went well eh!!!

[CHOPPA]

No your missing my point. I dont really care what the rule book says im just making a point after watching people crash and reading some reports on how unsafe it seemed. The point about my brake fluid was that the reservoir was a bit overfull and a tad splashed my visor, i came back in to fix it went back out and a little more splashed my visor so i again came back in. That was in no way selfish or ignorant.

Also im not trying to knock guys that dont have wets cause its so expensive to try get all set up im more just trying to make people more aware that it will cost you more and be more dangerous without them and it also makes things hard for the guys that are going faster to get around people that are struggling for grip. I was even doing what i could to help people get them changed, id hardly say im selfish or ignorant





A bike on a tyre thats suspect for the track conditions is never the same as a bike leaking fluid on the track and if its known before entering the track , thats just ignorant and selfish. Small leaks can become big ones without warning, thats dangerous for all.

Instead of asking this type of question on a public forum like here (where every answer is differant) , why dont you consult the rule book . Most people dont appear familiar with it and yet all competition riders get given a copy. I personally have it handy at every track event i go to , mainly to clarify the amount of shit i hear spun by totally ignorant mouthpieces.
I always condone any question and its never stupid but its a subjective thing for these types of forums when a few finger licks will get you a clear and acurate answer from the rule book then it can be shared as fact if desired.
PS; no i wont quote the rule section covering wet races , find it yourself.

Ohh fuck , another persons going to be pissed at me now.:rolleyes:

Paul.

[CHOPPA]

Much appreciated Robert!! haha i reckon that names gonna stick for Johnny!


Mate, considering the limited time you have been road racing you can be well proud of your speed and having a sensible head on your shoulders, well in evidence over the weekend. Please encourage more ex puddle jumpers to cross over to road racing, the likes of you and Johnie ''Beserkhart'' have already enrichened the road race community.

[steveyb]

K14 is correct.
Declaring the race or meeting 'wet' simply means that races will not be stopped for reasons of inclement weather.
If the race or meeting is not delcared 'wet' then it must be stopped on safety grounds when in the judgement of the steward and/or clerk of the course it becomes too unsafe when it rains.
There is no rule that dictates what tyres need be used so it up to the rider to choose.
An appropriate amount of time is then given to change tyres, but typically this means time enough to change wheels, not tyres.
Note the new management rule in MotoGP, the white flag meaning you have the choice to change machines. Of course this is simply a management tool for TV as now the schedules are too tight to allow the race to stop, mess about and restart.

And for my 2c worth, Choppa is as far from ignorant and arrogant as I can imagine, so stop giving him a hard time over an incident that seems a bit trivial and one that he managed well it seems.

[livewire]

yea no wets no race saw one guy with no wets riding with one foot on ground if you cant ride race pace dangerous for those who are

[roadracingoldfart]

A bike on a tyre thats suspect for the track conditions is never the same as a bike leaking fluid on the track and if its known before entering the track , thats just ignorant and selfish. Small leaks can become big ones without warning, thats dangerous for all.



The point about my brake fluid was that the reservoir was a bit overfull and a tad splashed my visor, i came back in to fix it went back out and a little more splashed my visor so i again came back in. That was in no way selfish or ignorant.
Also im not trying to knock guys that dont have wets cause its so expensive I was even doing what i could to help people get them changed, id hardly say im selfish or ignorant

I hope you dont infer i was calling YOU ignorant or selfish, its the leaking of fluid i find fits this catagory. But an fluid on the track for a wet meeting is never good. If its dry at the time its never good the next time its wet.
You are congratulated for helping as you did and im sure it was gratefully recieved .



And for my 2c worth, Choppa is as far from ignorant and arrogant as I can imagine, so stop giving him a hard time over an incident that seems a bit trivial and one that he managed well it seems.

Steve, i never used the word arrogant so i assume thats not directed at me , Pheeew. The words were clearly directed at the situation and not the person . You know me ill help anybody out , yes anyone but fluid leaking onto a track is never trivial if you have to ride over it.
The tyre issue is a bit trivial , yes but still quite relevant for a winter series. My point was the rules are clearly outlined in the MNZ rule book we should all read a bit more.

Paul.

[codgyoleracer]

Hey Sloan, Yeah its a tricky one to call aye. Whilst it is in the rule book & quite clear - Being specific about the actual tyre specification cant really be dictated as there are "so many types" of wet conditions and these vary from track to track. For instance wet conditions at Teratonga (& tyre type choice) is a whole heap different to the same "level of wet" at say Pukekohe.
So its the riders call to run anything from Slicks, Cut Slicks, Intermediates, Road compounds, Hard wets, or Soft wets.
Asking the officials to determine which of the above tyres is most suitable to the particular track, conditions & machine type (+ riders speed , style & skill level) , would be pretty tricky aye !
Does that help explain things from a riders/organizers perspective ?
Cheers & good riding mate.
Glen

[oyster]

Burt Badger has it pretty right. Apparently years ago terms "wet race" wet meeting" were in the rule book, and interpreted pretty well as Burt says. But there's nothing today, except in Streetstock, 22-12-10 para's 4,5,6,7.

6-13 covers it pretty well too.

I can't find it but somewhere in the constitution it says something to the effect : "If no rule exists, it FIM version will be used"

FIM rule 1.20.1.2 reads:
"A race classified as wet, usually commenced in varying or wet conditions, will not be interrupted for climatic reasons and riders who wish to change tyres or make adjustments must enter the pits and do so during the race"

So in short, you can use what you like, when you like, with the exception of Streetstock AFTER the race is declared "wet" by the steward. That is the only time a rider is obliged to use wets or street legal tyres.

The exception is a safety call at the discretion of the Steward. They rightly have that authority.

[CHOPPA]

It seems everyone agrees then that even though it may not be compulsory, it is infact much safer to have suitable tyres for the conditions. Seems straight forward but there are alot of people that just dont realise there normal race tyres are not really up to the task, me included untill i got my wets on

[Kickaha]

It seems everyone agrees then that even though it may not be compulsory, it is infact much safer to have suitable tyres for the conditions. Seems straight forward but there are alot of people that just dont realise there normal race tyres are not really up to the task, me included untill i got my wets on

Depends on the class

Slicks on low powered light bikes work very well in the wet, eg Buckets, Streetstock (when they were allowed) and even 125GP (ok it's not low powered) but I wouldn't want to try a 600 or 1000

[CHOPPA]

Depends on the class

Slicks on low powered light bikes work very well in the wet, eg Buckets, Streetstock (when they were allowed) and even 125GP (ok it's not low powered) but I wouldn't want to try a 600 or 1000


Oh true! yeah im not exactly talking from much experience here haha but i think were on the same line about the bigger bikes ;)

[Drew]

A massive factor in the rule, is that super sport and pro twins MUST run on DOT stamped tyres, road legal like. Wets are labled race use only, so may only be fitted AFTER a meeting is declared wet. Wether (no pun intended), or not you put them on, is still up to the rider.

[CHOPPA]

so when the meeting is declared wet you could run any tyres you want? So if it dried out you could run slicks in ss or pro2? Ofcoarse i wouldnt be such a wanker to try press the rules but from a forum racer perspective...?

[Drew]

so when the meeting is declared wet you could run any tyres you want? So if it dried out you could run slicks in ss or pro2? Ofcoarse i wouldnt be such a wanker to try press the rules but from a forum racer perspective...? That's about the size of it bro. Unless the call out that it is no longer a wet meet, then street tyres it is.

[cowpoos]

A massive factor in the rule, is that super sport and pro twins MUST run on DOT stamped tyres, road legal like. Wets are labled race use only, so may only be fitted AFTER a meeting is declared wet. Wether (no pun intended), or not you put them on, is still up to the rider.

Go read the rule book you stupid speights drinking hillbilly :girlfight: