Get forum in Kiwi Rider?

[Big Dave]

Hello Kiwi Bikers,
Was at the offices of the esteemed KR publication today and mentioned to editor McKay that I'd subscribed to the forum.
First thing he'd like to offer you riding type keyboard tappers is the opportuninty to get the forum promoted in the magazine - via a letter or two to the editor perhaps.
Ping your thoughts on whatever motorcycle matter you like, are pissed off by etc - anything you'd like raised in the print media for that matter, to Ross McKay:
editor@kiwirider.co.nz
and he might run it - letter of the month gets some kind of gong.
Suggest one of the moderators send him a promotional piece?
35,000 readers is the claim.
If there are some forum rides we can probably do some sort of 'vox pop' feature too.
thanks
DD
4KR
www.davidcohen.co.nz

[gav]

ohh, I dunno, maybe Kiwi Rider could just post here instead? :2thumbsup :sly: :yes:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Hello Kiwi Bikers,
anything you'd like raised in the print media for that matter, to Ross McKay:
editor@kiwrider.co.nz
and he might run it - letter of the month gets some kind of gong.
Suggest one of the moderators send him a promotional piece?
35,000 readers is the claim.
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Hmmmm good idea. :wavey: Hope someone with better writing skills than me reads this and does somthin about it. :o Be good to have a picture of the logo on any promo stuff. :yeah: Good on you Danger Dave :2thumbsup hope it turns in to coverage.

[Big Dave]

ohh, I dunno, maybe Kiwi Rider could just post here instead? :2thumbsup :sly: :yes:

Yeah sure, I was thinking 'copy and paste' it type thing. Not to detract from the forum - try and grow it.
dd

[Wonko]

editor@kiwrider.co.nz

might like to try editor@kiwirider.co.nz as contact email

[Big Dave]

Thank you - it was late i was tired?
dd

[LB]

Mr Hitcher: I think this could be a job for you and your wonderful prose????

[mattt]

Mr Hitcher: I think this could be a job for you and your wonderful prose????

Unly eff their aar none speeling an grandma eras. Them pisset me orf. :shake:

[gav]

Thats a very nice website there, Danger Dave :2thumbsup the slide show presentation for some of the photos is very impressive. Check it out people, sure you'll recognise some of the riding areas!
http://www.davidcohen.co.nz/

[James Deuce]

Call me cynical, but what's the REAL reason KR have sudenly taken an interest in a media and communication format that the print media struggle to understand at best, and occasionally deride at worst?

Remember we have a community here, and as Fire Fight has pointed out in the past it is important that commercial organisations understand and respect the community culture of KB.

Rampant growth is not necessarily a good thing either. Consider the KB culture and ask yourself if we want or need a huge influx of Mikey's or "theknightrider". A lot of good people may give up the fight and go elsewhere if they get too annoyed with battling to keep a friendly non-confrontational community forum going. I enjoy swapping a bit of banter, but I don't want to end up in the situation of defending myself or others from comments or threads that are an in-joke.

I've participated in a couple of other forums that began the self promotion route and ended up with a very different cultural idiom, very quickly, with the consequence that the things I enjoyed about those forums disappeared almost overnight.

[gav]

Bike: Sold
Huh? Sold the CBR already? Good one, got your insurance payout yet?

[James Deuce]

Bike: Sold
Huh? Sold the CBR already? Good one, got your insurance payout yet?

Yes, sold the CBR to a very nice chap.

No insurance yet, darn it. Makes it hard to maintain a pleasant outlook on life.

[Riff Raff]

I'm in two minds about this - on the one hand KB has been of great benefit to me and it's great to see other people discovering and benefitting from it. Having one or two new members a day is a good number so we don't get inundated with a whole lot of new threads that are exactly the same as the week before. I worry about the commercialisation of the site. It's so relaxed and (usually) friendly, it would be a shame to lose that.

[White trash]

Danger Dave, me thinks me knows ya..,......... :moon:

[FzerozeroT]

I can be a cynic too, one magazine guy says to another magazine guy "we're running out of stuff to put in there", other guy says "no sweat, I know this internet forum that writes pages and pages of bike reviews, rides, and off topic conversational pieces, it has plenty of photo's and even a dictortatorial spell check system."


dictortatorial? WTF am i smoking?

[toads]

Call me cynical, but what's the REAL reason KR have sudenly taken an interest in a media and communication format that the print media struggle to understand at best, and occasionally deride at worst?

Remember we have a community here, and as Fire Fight has pointed out in the past it is important that commercial organisations understand and respect the community culture of KB.

Rampant growth is not necessarily a good thing either. Consider the KB culture and ask yourself if we want or need a huge influx of Mikey's or "theknightrider". A lot of good people may give up the fight and go elsewhere if they get too annoyed with battling to keep a friendly non-confrontational community forum going. I enjoy swapping a bit of banter, but I don't want to end up in the situation of defending myself or others from comments or threads that are an in-joke.

I've participated in a couple of other forums that began the self promotion route and ended up with a very different cultural idiom, very quickly, with the consequence that the things I enjoyed about those forums disappeared almost overnight.

I agree with you here Jim, many of us are reborn bikers who want nothing more than to associate with like minded people, without the baggage of belonging to some club or group. I would be quite pissed off if this site had it's backbone broken through promoting it in the wrong way.

[merv]

You'll see from this pic of my WR that I support both media http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5991

I have subscribed to KiwiRider from way back having originally subscribed to NZ Motorcycle News in the 70's which later merged or was taken over or something to become KiwiRider. I still enjoy their mag, but having met John Nick, Vege etc and having dropped into their HQ myself I find them at times an annoying bunch because they haven't embraced the new technology very well. While they tell you their e-mail address, try getting a reply from them? The other thing they are apt to do is either bastardise your letters to them so badly in the mag it doesn't make the same sense you intended, and the classic for me is that they have printed letters over my name that I have never written, but they have picked the comments up from verbal discussion I have had with them and then written them in their language.

They also do not seem to like having errors pointed out to them, which my Bro' is apt to do when the print factually incorrect stuff - like mixing up make, model, specs all that kind of stuff to do with bikes.

Now this forum is totally different because being live on-line we have all the banter and get stuff commented on straight away, there is no dickshit stuff being printed 2 months later out of context, with incorrect info etc.

Both media have their place in my house but I would spend more hours a month on here than reading the mag.

[Skunk]

I'd be against promoting it too widely as it can attract the "wrong" sort. Let it grow with people who want to be here...

[Biff]

I think it's a bad idea - I mean how can you take any bike mag seriously when it votes the FJR1300 as touring bike of the year? :angry: :shake:

Seriously though - no forget it, on second thoughts I don't do serious today.

[Blakamin]

I only bought my first copy of it weeks ago... going back to motorcycle trader... cheaper....
Anyone want to start a poll???

[sels1]

I'm with Jim2 and co....I am a bit suspicious when a commerical enitity takes an interest in our site...call me old fashioned but I like it the way it is.
No offence DD, enjoyed yr website.

[dangerous]

Call me cynical, but what's the REAL reason KR have sudenly taken an interest in a media and communication format that the print media struggle to understand at best, and occasionally deride at worst?

Remember we have a community here, and as Fire Fight has pointed out in the past it is important that commercial organisations understand and respect the community culture of KB.

Rampant growth is not necessarily a good thing either. Consider the KB culture and ask yourself if we want or need a huge influx of Mikey's or "theknightrider". A lot of good people may give up the fight and go elsewhere if they get too annoyed with battling to keep a friendly non-confrontational community forum going. I enjoy swapping a bit of banter, but I don't want to end up in the situation of defending myself or others from comments or threads that are an in-joke.

I've participated in a couple of other forums that began the self promotion route and ended up with a very different cultural idiom, very quickly, with the consequence that the things I enjoyed about those forums disappeared almost overnight.
I agree with Jim, just a late I have been thinking that KB is expanding a bit fast...... selfesh of me I know..... But I injoy this forum because of its current size, I think if it were to go commercial that a lot of caracter and the caracters on it will be lost to a certian degree.
I would be interested to know what the Boss thinks about this.

[jrandom]

I don't want KiwiBiker promoted in print media.

If the membership grows, it should be by referral, or by people stumbling across the site and decided to stay. I think that online communities have optimum sizes, beyond which they can only splinter and divide if discourse is to be maintained.

Also, who the hell is going to pay for it when the site's traffic goes up by an order of magnitude? Does anyone want SpankMe to have to start letting advertising in?

The place would go to the dogs. Tell KR to stick to badly-written dirtbiking articles and phone sex advertisements.

[Paul in NZ]

This site is already far too big and not enough people think exactly like me! To this end, I reckon anyone who is not called Paul and does not own a red Mk2 Moto Guzzi Lemans should be kilt by death.

Ah hem!

Folks! The one thing we can agree on here is that we will never agree on anything. Even on a KB ride there are people who want to ride really fast and people happy pootling. It's the differences that are charming.

A KB ride can attract fat old bastards like me staggering along on museum pieces, the latest and greatest ridden with great vigour by slim hipped Rossi wannabes, cruisers, trail bikes, 150's, guys, girls, homos (apparently) and once a rubber chicken. I doubt any other bike group (other than say a public toy run)would host such diversity.

The motorcycle community in NZ is NOT a large one. It is unlikely to grow too big!

All web creatures and clubs have a natural life cycle. This one is in it's teens and full of vigour. Just be thankful you are a part of the good times now. Let tomorrow worry about it'self!

Paul N

ps - all the feckin' trouble is started by people that don't think like me. I have made a list and I reckon we should ban them ALL!

[Hitcher]

Mr Hitcher: I think this could be a job for you and your wonderful prose????
What is it you would like me to say? Something like this, perhaps...

If you love motorbikes, riding them and meeting up with other like-minded folks; and if you're connected to that Interweb thingee, then log-on to www.kiwibiker.co.nz to find out what's REALLY happening in the world of Kiwi Bikers!

We talk about everything, anything and nothing. And we have a lot of fun doing it. All interests and tastes are catered for -- there is even an interactive games arcade.

Come and check out our gargre. You will be made most welcome.

[Hitcher]

a dictortatorial spell check system?
Only when the dictortators are awake and alert...

[Hitcher]

All good feedback. I'll design a poll...

[Blakamin]

All good feedback. I'll design a poll...
bugga.....

[Big Dave]

Interesting responses, thank you. Never thought of it from some of those angles.
Well yes - frankly, we are looking for more letters to the editor and this seems like the logical place to find them - communicative people with something to say!?!
No personal 'commercial angle' in this, other than trying to make the mag more entertaining and relevant - and try and benefit this site. Daz all.

The magazine welcomes contributions by you guys - we are you guys. All different - tastes, bikes, styles, opinions - and prone to typographical error. The latter we sadly regret.

So, how can advising more people of the existence of the forum be detrimental to it? I've been playing on MC forums for many years now and have always found 'new and more' - the merrier. Sure, there is an 'a**hole index', but welcome to life - eh?

Anyway, thanks again, fwiw i have done articles about internet groups in the mag in the past (and will continue to do so in a positive, supportive context).

I didn't vote for the FJ1300. It's not made in England.

All good.
dd

[Hitcher]

bugga.....
Great minds think alike??

[Blakamin]

Great minds think alike??
I'll close this and ... I dunno, I cant delete it!!!...grrr

[Big Dave]

Ah - I note you already have the DD thing - I'll do something else - is there a DC on here already too?

d?

[White trash]

You could have BDC. Or TDC.

[Biff]

I didn't vote for the FJ1300. It's not made in England.

All good.
dd


That's ok then, I'll keep buying your mag.

Does that mean Sprint ST will finally achieve the dizzy heights of journo approval that is so deserves? Or would that be as acceptable as a fart in a spacesuit?

[Blakamin]

You could have BDC. Or TDC.
or if ya way out you could be ATDC.....

[Hoon]

Well for the sake of a balanced argument (and the challenge of rooting for the underdog!!!) I can't see any problem with this. All the guy is suggesting is that someone send the KiwiRider mag a mail promoting this site and what it can offer people. However somewhere along the line this message has been misinterpreted as a "WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER YOUR SITE, INVADE IT WITH OUR READERS AND PLASTER IT WITH ADS!!"

A lot of us only found this site purely by chance or maybe word of mouth and I would say that Kiwibiker site has only reached a fraction of the NZ Motorcycling community and would only benefit from more members. Think about the solo biker with no riding mates, people in remote places or others just getting onto the internet. Sure with twice as many members you may get double the spam and double the idiots but you will also get double the new mates, double the rides/events/news/reports and double the deals!!
When making a decision you can't just consider the worst possible outcome - to put things into perspective you also have to consider the best possible scenario as well. Once you know the extremes then you know your outcome will lie somewhere between the two and allows you to quantify the risk vs reward element.

With change comes "fear of the unknown" and it is human nature to resist it in favour of the safe comfortable environment we already have. However if it weren't for the bold few that overcame these fears in the name of progress, man would still be living in caves.

Sure there are downsides to growth but these downsides need to be addressed and resolved for the sake of moving forward as opposed to "not even trying at all". Steps have already been made to address the idiot problem i.e. moderators and likewise I'm sure any other problem can be similarly resolved by the KB problem solving machine.

[Big Dave]

You could have BDC. Or TDC.

I'll go with the tall probably - stated goal and all.
Can you change your handle or re-register best? d'yaknow.

TD
maybe



at least i'm never alone



who said that

[White trash]

I'll go with the tall probably - stated goal and all.
Can you change your handle or re-register best? d'yaknow.

TD
maybe



at least i'm never alone



who said that

PM SpankMe or Wari or Blakamin and they can change your handle if you ask real nice.

[Big Dave]

Well for the sake of a balanced argument (and the challenge of rooting for the underdog!!!) I can't see any problem with this. All the guy is suggesting is that someone send the KiwiRider mag a mail promoting this site and what it can offer people.

Thank you.
td

[Big Dave]

I can be a cynic too, one magazine guy says to another magazine guy "we're running out of stuff to put in there", other guy says "no sweat, I know this internet forum that writes pages and pages of bike reviews, rides, and off topic conversational pieces, it has plenty of photo's and even a dictortatorial spell check system."
dictortatorial? WTF am i smoking?

More like this:
DD: 'hey Rosco, I've joined the Kiwi Biker internet forum - do you want me to ask them for some letters to the editor'
RM: 'bloody good idea'
DD: 'ok'
Meeting ends.

Rarely short of material - I've submitted a cracker story and it wont get a start till May.

Is there a spill chucker on the site?
td

[White trash]

I've submitted a cracker story .....


Sez you.

Are there any "wheelies" in your story?

[Big Dave]

Sez you.

Are there any "wheelies" in your story?


TWO crashes!
I'll send it to you otr.
td

[Ghost Lemur]

Is there a spill chucker on the site?
td

Yes. Their names are Hitcher and jrandom. :lol:

As for the topic in question. I'm of two minds. Yes it would be nice to see some more quality KBers.

But...

Having also been a member on a few forums, I know the price that is payed. Two I'll use as examples are both tech forums. OCNZ and Slashdot. In both cases, with the popularity came the influx of tards (stupid people who can't help themselves, these one's post the same question in multiple threads - generally a question which has been asked a thousand times before and the answer of which they could easily find by doing a simple search), and trolls.

Now it very much wasn't a case, in either example of the percentage staying the same but the numbers increase. It was a case of the percentage of each increasing.

The reason for this being two fold, the increase of noise put off the "old timers" who including myself would post less and less, and/or leave, it also caused a lot more retaliation from everyone (ie. telling people to STFW or piss off troll, etc).

Now I'll read the news on /. but don't go into threads and haven't in about 3 years. I left OCNZ, although stay in touch with a lot of the old timers. Initially I left as I found myself reading less and less, and that which I was reading was making me angry (due to the trolling, etc).


Not saying this would happen to KB. But definitely something to keep in mind. It does seem to happen to a LOT of forums when they become popular. SomethingAwful is another example. All the forums try to combat it in some manner but what was once been is then lost.

Word of mouth I think is the best, with obviously a certain amount of stumbling in from google (how I got here).

Some would say that it's enivitable(SP?) anyway, active promotion or not. I hope not though, as I really like it here.

In conclusion, meh, either way. :buggerd:

[SpankMe]

Would anyone like to put together a write-up for the site? How many words danger_dave? Maybe everyone can post things they would like to see in it and we can put something together.

I don't see why we should keep others from enjoying the advantages of being part of the KB site just because we want to keep it to ourselves.

[dangerous]

I don't see why we should keep others from enjoying the advantages of being part of the KB site just because we want to keep it to ourselves.
If thats what the Boss says...... then I change my mind (good post Hoon) I'm with you SM, after all its him and the other Mod's that have to do the hard work around here.

[Slipstream]

Would anyone like to put together a write-up for the site?

I'll help :)

[Big Dave]

Yes. Their names are Hitcher and jrandom. :lol:

As for the topic in question. I'm of two minds. Yes it would be nice to see some more quality KBers.

Some would say that it's enivitable(SP?) anyway, active promotion or not. I hope not though, as I really like it here.

In conclusion, meh, either way. :buggerd:

fair call, - i suspect that the possibility of putting faces to names locally and the lack of 'international anonymity' might make it less susceptible to corruption?
dd

[White trash]

fair call, - i suspect that the possibility of putting faces to names locally and the lack of 'international anonymity' might make it less susceptible to corruption?
dd

little words around here please :angry2:

[toads]

If thats what the Boss says...... then I change my mind (good post Hoon) I'm with you SM, after all its him and the other Mod's that have to do the hard work around here.

Me too, afterall, he's the one that determines how this site is run and gives it the flavour it has and we all enjoy so much, so I change my stance on this one too. Good point hoon btw.

[toads]

Would anyone like to put together a write-up for the site? How many words danger_dave? Maybe everyone can post things they would like to see in it and we can put something together.

I don't see why we should keep others from enjoying the advantages of being part of the KB site just because we want to keep it to ourselves.

I'll help too, if someone from the mid-life-crisis brigade is needed.

[White trash]

I'll help too, if someone from the mid-life-crisis brigade is needed.

Who do you know having a MLC?

[Big Dave]

Who do you know having a MLC?

Always the opportunist - No doubt you have a new H-D in mind for it?!?
td

[Big Dave]

How many words danger_dave? Maybe everyone can post things they would like to see in it and we can put something together.

I don't see why we should keep others from enjoying the advantages of being part of the KB site just because we want to keep it to ourselves.

Great - say 300 words to start and i'll do a screen grab of the start page to illustrate.

Do something along the lines of 'KIWI BIKERS GET CONNECTED' - (I'm not the Ed and I can't guarantee it will run - but there is a VERY good chance.) and an outline of the benefits of subscribing. Perhaps a testimonial or two - I like Kiwi Biker because.....

chz
td

[White trash]

I like Kiwi Biker because.....



.....I've sold about 7 bikes, got shitloads of commission, abused the shit outta people I'd normally never speak to and made a couple of good mates. :2thumbsup

[moko]

Just pm`d this to danger_dave ,didnt realise he was looking for an article so this was intended for the letters page.He reckons it`s o.k. and asked me to put it up,anyone got any comments/major objections? Up to him whether he uses it or not of course but the editor may well print a letter a lot quicker than an article.


Readers who have internet access might like to check out www.kiwibiker.co.nz , which could loosely be described as an internet bike club. There`s news, games, rideouts and a lively forum with a wide variety of people to exchange views with. They`re a friendly, knowledgeable, bunch and if you need help, advice or information there`s usually someone that can sort you out or point you in the right direction. There`s input from both sexes,all ages and a sprinkling of overseas riders. Any rider of any kind of bike is welcome from newcomers to veterans, trail bikes to GSXRs, take a look and hopefully you`ll feel like joining in, if do you`ll be made very welcome.
Dave Blendell,Plymouth,England.

[James Deuce]

I've seriously watched a couple of really good forums (one bike related, one not) rapidly go down the tubes after this type of promotion effort. In one case the forum closed and the other created an off-shoot that is increasingly becoming the preferred site. Both had/have bigger memberships than KB.

Change is inevitable, I'm not complaining about it. I will however, continue to provide peevish warnings about leaping headlong into things when no leap was necessary in the first place.

I'm not suggesting that we need to be exclusive either, but the last couple of "debaters" that have belted in here, have made me wonder whether I should just go riding and not bother looking for riding mates. I'm happy either way quite frankly, but I've met too many interesting pleasant people on here to let it change without a fight. More isn't always better.

[Blakamin]

but I've met too many interesting pleasant people on here to let it change without a fight. More isn't always better.
Shucks, thanks Jim :lol:

I hope, pray almost, that you will be wrong..... lucky I got lotsa hours to moderate!!!!

:rockon: KB!

[SpankMe]

which could loosely be described as an internet bike club.

I want to avoid referring to KB as a club. It's not a "members only" place, it's a "everyone can join in" place. I've heard a few stories about peoples bad experiences with clubs or how some clubs can get rather exclusive.

I see KB more as a tool for any bike club, bike shop and just your individual biker to use.

[James Deuce]

Just pm`d this to danger_dave ,didnt realise he was looking for an article so this was intended for the letters page.He reckons it`s o.k. and asked me to put it up,anyone got any comments/major objections? Up to him whether he uses it or not of course but the editor may well print a letter a lot quicker than an article.


Readers who have internet access might like to check out www.kiwibiker.co.nz , which could loosely be described as an internet bike club. There`s news, games, rideouts and a lively forum with a wide variety of people to exchange views with. They`re a friendly, knowledgeable, bunch and if you need help, advice or information there`s usually someone that can sort you out or point you in the right direction. There`s input from both sexes,all ages and a sprinkling of overseas riders. Any rider of any kind of bike is welcome from newcomers to veterans, trail bikes to GSXRs, take a look and hopefully you`ll feel like joining in, if do you`ll be made very welcome.
Dave Blendell,Plymouth,England.
FWIW you may want to let this poll (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=7839) run for a bit before you send it.

[toads]

Who do you know having a MLC?

I am, Pete is too, but he's getting too old for it I reckon lol, you just wait till those cute little kids of your turn into teenagers WT you'll have one as well.

[moko]

FWIW you may want to let this poll (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=7839) run for a bit before you send it.

Point taken Jim,I voted "dont care" which isnt how I feel,it`s more a case of "I`ll go with the flow".I`ve seen forums over-run by dorks,almost killed off by spats that have got totally out of hand and,more positively,carry on for years with very little hassle.
Bob and myself both tried this place as a result of wari posting elsewhere,isn`t that the same kind of thing?
And I`ve already sent that as a pm after reading Spankme`s thoughts but I`d hope that dd wouldn`t use it if I asked him not to,like I said I was under the impression that it would be o.k.,if it`s going to upset anyone then I`ll get back to the man.danger_dave actually asked me to post it to see people`s reactions.
As for the wording Spankme,IF it`s used how about changing "club" for "community"?

[Hitcher]

I'll help too, if someone from the mid-life-crisis brigade is needed.
I take the view that riding a motorcycle is a "mid-life enhancement", rather than evidence of some "crisis"...

[toads]

I take the view that riding a motorcycle is a "mid-life enhancement", rather than evidence of some "crisis"...

Oh rest assured Hitcher, I would indulge in a mid life crisis with or without the bike, the mid life crisis provides me with the perfect excuse to have a bike, and the need to ride it.

[James Deuce]

Bob and myself both tried this place as a result of wari posting elsewhere,isn`t that the same kind of thing?


It's possibly a subtle distinction for some people (no disrespect intended), but two web communities sharing information is a different proposition to advertising through the letters page of a print media publication.

As both you and Bob have proved, you're already attuned to the general culture of Internet forums, and approach with tact, diplomacy, and respect without needing a "hazing" process.

[Blakamin]

Why dont we put stickers on our bikes???
If I meet a biker somewhere and I dont mention KB, they normally ask about the sticker on my screen.... I dunno if anyone thats had a look at the sticker remembers and has a squiz as a guest or not.... but it is a fairly common occurance... same when I was at the bike show in november (or whenever)... people asked....

btw SpankMe, I'll be in for some more on payday!!! :yes:

[bungbung]

Check: .

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Well for the sake of a balanced argument (and the challenge of rooting for the underdog!!!) I can't see any problem with this. All the guy is suggesting is that someone send the KiwiRider mag a mail promoting this site and what it can offer people. However somewhere along the line this message has been misinterpreted as a "WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER YOUR SITE, INVADE IT WITH OUR READERS AND PLASTER IT WITH ADS!!"

Sure there are downsides to growth but these downsides need to be addressed and resolved for the sake of moving forward as opposed to "not even trying at all". Steps have already been made to address the idiot problem i.e. moderators and likewise I'm sure any other problem can be similarly resolved by the KB problem solving machine.

Hmmm I felt like this when I posted first time but I have to say the other postings are making me think. I find so many new threads when I log on now days and so many replies it is hard to read them all let alone reply to the ones I want to reply to. Especially hard on this shitty Telecom dial up line I have here in the country. So I have to retract my first posting and say NO PROMO PLEASE.

[wari]

SLow an' steady winsda race ..:yeah:

UP an' down da pillow case ... :doobey: ...

Orr wassit fatty an' skinny ... :spudwhat: ...

[Coyote]

SLow an' steady winsda race ..:yeah:

UP an' down da pillow case ... :doobey: ...

Orr wassit fatty an' skinny ... :spudwhat: ...
What are you on about?

[bungbung]

Presumably Wari means he prefers that KB grow naturally, word of mouth promotion and such like.

As opposed to placement in bike magazines.

Although it can be hard to tell with all of the mooning going on :o

[Blakamin]

Check: .
kewl.... I'd have more than one if my bike was yellow.....
could put them where the "agip" stickers normally go I spose...

[White trash]

What are you on about?

Don't you mean, "What are you on?"

[Coyote]

Presumably Wari means he prefers that KB grow naturally, word of mouth promotion and such like.

As opposed to placement in bike magazines.

Although it can be hard to tell with all of the mooning going on :o
So, was that a spritual comment, or subliminal?

[Blakamin]

So, was that a spritual comment, or subliminal?
I'm gunna be out-whored here soon, alarumba :niceone:

[Coyote]

I'm gunna be out-whored here soon, alarumba :niceone:
it's enevitable

[bungbung]

Don't you mean eninvetable?

[wari]

ACtually ...

I went back and read the pre-vious posts and ...

I THought moko's letter was pretty well word-edd (communitity for club :yeah: ) ..

I RE-member backindaday® when I wasda toppe poster ... or there abouts

and no-ne posts more drivvell than me ... :thud:

YOu may be wonderring where I'm going withis ...

HOwda hell would I know .. :spudwhat:

I Carnt see howa letter'll senda place into a spinn ...

NOthin' gitts past me ... :moon:

[Blakamin]

I vote Wari writes the letter.... most humans wont have a clue...... :whistle:

but we might end up with an influx of sheep... <_<

[Yamahamaman]

I see KB more as a tool for any bike club, bike shop and just your individual biker to use.
Don't forget to put your hand out for som Kiwi Rider sponsorship to help pay for the software and running of the site. They charge like wounded bulls for their rag which is 80% advertising.

[Big Dave]

Don't forget to put your hand out for som Kiwi Rider sponsorship to help pay for the software and running of the site. They charge like wounded bulls for their rag which is 80% advertising.

>>Penultimate Curmudgeon<<

Nice to see a master at his craft - what's keeping you from top spot?
td

[Coyote]

Don't you mean eninvetable?
AY! Don't dis mah spehlien biatch!

[Slim]

I'm still undecided, even after reading all of the posts in this thread.

I too have seen what happens when an internet forum grows beyond it's critical capacity, although Visordown is still operating after 4+ years, I probably only post up a couple of times a day now. And there's a culture of "Newbies" v's "Oldtimers" and exclusive Cliques forming, which is probably off putting.

Then there's the bandwidth problem - more members equals more posts equals more bandwidth required as well as more database space which equals more cost for Spankme. But if he's happy for an article about KB in the bike mag, then I presume he's thought about the consequences and costs & is happy to take it on.

But Hoon's got a good point too. I'd especially love to see more South Islanders joining so they can experience the parties & BBQs that have been happening regularly in the North Island for over a year now (thanks Mitch :D ).

So I'm going to go with the flow too. I just hope that current members remember that tolerance is going to be the key word if we do get a whole shitload of new members. :)

[moko]

I too have seen what happens when an internet forum grows beyond it's critical capacity, although Visordown is still operating after 4+ years, I probably only post up a couple of times a day now. And there's a culture of "Newbies" v's "Oldtimers" and exclusive Cliques forming, which is probably off putting.

Visordown`s very cliquey,when I used it briefly it was full of idiots who thought "invading" other people`s boards and filling them with crap was funny,probably is if you`re a twat with no life.Anyone wanting to see how sad a BB can get should have a look at Visordown,the majority of posts here are coherant and at least mostly with a stab at relevence,on there it`s witless babble,in-jokes and girly spats.I honestly think this is the best "General" bike BB,people take the time to post properly if they`ve got something to say and in general there`s less "handbags" than I`ve seen elsewhere.The only other one I use now is Realclassic which is mainly old farts like me too knackered to cause any aggro.

[merv]

Now D_Dave it might be worth telling us how you fit in the picture with Kiwi Rider. Am I right to assume you are "Big Dave" that has ridden with Vege on the Capital Coast Adventure ride as an example?

Why don't you get KR to do a spiel about themselves - how their team fits together etc and what the benefits would be to bikers by subscribing to their mag etc etc. Someone else has already said it should be KR that promotes themselves here. We don't need to promote KB.

We wear KB T-shirts not KR T-shirts though I do have the KR stickers. Why do you think that is?