Uh oh! Trademe balls up!

[happykamper]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM to see how close to the reserve it was and I now appear to have purchased the bike! Sight unseen! It's in Auckland and I'm 450km away! The price is OK, condition looks OK from the photos, but I'll have to spend $300 to get the damn thing sent down! Then to add insult to injury I found out about a similar bike with less Ks for the same price as it'll cost me to get the one that I've won, but it's closer to home! Anyone got any cunning "get out of Trademe auction purchase" trix? Otherwise I'll have to risk it and wear the consequence of my stupid mouse click!
:shutup::sick::shutup::sick:

[CB ARGH]

I use trademe all of the time. The common thing, and most obvious, is to not say anything. Don't return any emails. If Trademe run around asking questions say that yuor email system shut down. The poor bugger will relist the bike and woohoo it's all done.

Just be a cock, that's what they all do these days. :dodge:

[Mountlocal1]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM to see how close to the reserve it was and I now appear to have purchased the bike! Sight unseen! It's in Auckland and I'm 450km away! The price is OK, condition looks OK from the photos, but I'll have to spend $300 to get the damn thing sent down! Then to add insult to injury I found out about a similar bike with less Ks for the same price as it'll cost me to get the one that I've won, but it's closer to home! Anyone got any cunning "get out of Trademe auction purchase" trix? Otherwise I'll have to risk it and wear the consequence of my stupid mouse click!
:shutup::sick::shutup::sick:

Plan A:
Blame your kid... Or your wife... Or just never use Trademe again.. Or just create another user name...

Plan B:
Refer to the first part of plane A...

[Mountlocal1]

I use trademe all of the time. The common thing, and most obvious, is to not say anything. Don't return any emails. If Trademe run around asking questions say that yuor email system shut down. The poor bugger will relist the bike and woohoo it's all done.

Just be a cock, that's what they all do these days. :dodge:

On the money.. Worst that can happen is you have to pay a relist fee for him. Whats that? $50.00?

Or just be honest.

[jamiey]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM to see how close to the reserve it was and I now appear to have purchased the bike! Sight unseen! It's in Auckland and I'm 450km away! The price is OK, condition looks OK from the photos, but I'll have to spend $300 to get the damn thing sent down! Then to add insult to injury I found out about a similar bike with less Ks for the same price as it'll cost me to get the one that I've won, but it's closer to home! Anyone got any cunning "get out of Trademe auction purchase" trix? Otherwise I'll have to risk it and wear the consequence of my stupid mouse click!
:shutup::sick::shutup::sick:

Why not post the link here so KB'ers can have a look and let you know how the bike looks, somebody may even know the bike or be able to help with delivery??

[sinfull]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM :
What was the bike ya bid on ?

[steved]

Sack up and follow through on your obligations. It's not like the seller did anything wrong to deserve the treatment advocated by some here.

[happykamper]

What was the bike ya bid on ?

Honda Spada (or Spade as I prefer to call it...) $2700

[Skunk]

Sack up and follow through on your obligations. It's not like the seller did anything wrong to deserve the treatment advocated by some here.
True. Just own up.

[sinfull]

Honda Spada (or Spade as I prefer to call it...) $2700
Sorry can't help ya out of that one lol not a bad looking bike though (googled it) Like the guys said you could get someone to check it out for ya and if its all good, cool ! If not just reneg and put up with the bad rep !

[cowboyz]

might want to get some boot polish with all that tyre kicking.

I say you already brought it. If you want quit it now give the guy his money and list it on trademe. Trademe is bad enough without people avocating deals turning to shit.

[Mountlocal1]

Sack up and follow through on your obligations. It's not like the seller did anything wrong to deserve the treatment advocated by some here.

He did ask about ways to get out of it...

[Mully]

Either suck it up and buy it, or be honest with the seller. He can get a refund from Trademe, but only if he asks quickly.

[GIXser]

yep ya bid on it ya own it..... follow through on the deal... ya may have turned away a legitimate buyer by your click, so in my eyes ya own it..

[happykamper]

Honesty? Trademe?! Now there's a concept...

Had actually thought of that one meself, will ring the chap tomorrow, fess up and see what he says. Keep 'em coming, guys.

[happykamper]

might want to get some boot polish with all that tyre kicking.

I say you already brought it. If you want quit it now give the guy his money and list it on trademe. Trademe is bad enough without people avocating deals turning to shit.

Erm, how can I kick the tyres if I've never seen the bike.:wacko:

[hayd3n]

buy it its still a sweet deal
100 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wahoo

[325rocket]

man up. congratulations you just purchased a new bike

[CookMySock]

Just email him and tell him u changed your mind. Eat the neg feedback, and carry on. He claims the fee back off TM and relists it.

[rainman]

buy it its still a sweet deal


And not an ugly looking bike either...

I say pony up the cash, find your way up to Auckland and ride your new bike home!

But maybe not tomorrow. :cold:

[hayd3n]

its already been relisted twice i think theyve got a new owner

[slopster]

Why not tell the guy selling it what happened and see if you can just give him $50 or something to make up for fucking him round

[Grub]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM to see how close to the reserve it was and I now appear to have purchased the bike!

This one of the big no noes on Trademe and jhappens all the time. They have got really tough about it now because people doing what you did completely stuffs the system.

There's talk of permanent bans for people who do this. It also doesn't work to use a different name ... they're tracking IP numbers.

[Maha]

happykamper, you need to change you 'What bike you own' from None (yet) to Spada....:lol:

[gammaguy]

Originally Posted by happykamper
This one of the big no noes on Trademe and jhappens all the time. They have got really tough about it now because people doing what you did completely stuffs the system.

There's talk of permanent bans for people who do this. It also doesn't work to use a different name ... they're tracking IP numbers.

about time too,trade me is lagging behind Ebay so badly its not funny.On Ebay two strikes and youre out.:bash:

[klyong82]

Tell him the truth and offer to pay for success fee...

[yod]

the auction tells you when the bid is within 15% of reserve

how did you bid too high?

[howdamnhard]

Plane A:
Blame your kid... Or your wife... Or just never use Trademe again.. Or just create another user name...

Plane B:
Refer to the first part of plane A...
ERRR you must mean PLAN.:bleh::D

[DEATH_INC.]

I go with the 'you bid you own it' crowd. People have no integrity anymore.... :no:

[Drew]

You own a Spada, bad luck.

You agreed to the real simple rules, whereby bidding, you are legally obliged to buy.

[Headbanger]

Partial truth will save the day.

Tell him your no longer in a position to buy the bike, and ask him to remove your bid.

No need for details, or pretending to die.....

[howdamnhard]

Why not tell the guy selling it what happened and see if you can just give him $50 or something to make up for fucking him round

Sounds the right thing to do.Saw a nice bike put on yesterday,asked a question and today when I logged on it had been withdrawn by seller.DAMN I should have just gone and bought it.:mad:

[St_Gabriel]

I also side with the "congratulations on your new bike" crowd however, you could always hope that he doesnt make contact within the requisite 2 days (new rule in the last couple of weeks). After the time has expired you can legitimately claim that no contact was made therefore no notice in your feedback regarding uncompleted trade.
I had this happen to me but I waited a week with no reply to emails from a seller, gave a deadline of contact by Sunday night, Monday morning got the email back from them. Sorry too late buddy, have since purchased elsewhere. Got the "Please explain" from Trademe, told the tale and violá no bad comment about being a buyer in an uncompleted trade.
Alternativly, just be honest, a fair percentage of traders are understanding and he may just be happy with his listing fee refunded by you.

[slowpoke]

I go with the 'you bid you own it' crowd. People have no integrity anymore.... :no:


You own a Spada, bad luck.

You agreed to the real simple rules, whereby bidding, you are legally obliged to buy.

Yup, winning an auction as not an option to buy. You made a commitment so stick to it.

[Mountlocal1]

ERRR you must mean PLAN.:bleh::D

dam it! :whistle:

[Pedrostt500]

Ah just buy it, I hate tyre kickers & time wasters, if you dont like the bike you can relist it your self, maybe one of the local KBers could go check the bike out for you, if ya ask em nice that is, then you could fly up and ride it back.

[Winston001]

Be honest with the guy. Its a contract. Ask yourself how you'd feel if you were the seller.....? He may be fine about it but if not, hey you got a new bike. You can always sell it again. A deal is a deal. You'll feel better for being upfront that trying to weasel out. We all gotta live with ourselves.

[Griffin]

Geez... what happens if the poor bugger selling the bike is a KB'r and he comes into this thread and realises whats happening??? :gob:

He (the seller) hasnt done anything wrong, even relisting is a pain in the ass once you think you've sold something. I would hate to be treated with such disregard.

Dude, put yourself in his shoes and then treat him how you would want / expect to be treated. :yes:

[McJim]

For $2700 you could do a lot worse than a Spada.

Congrats on your first bike. I had regrets about my Ducati I bought sight unseen on TM. I had a short circuit in the electrics, a hole in the engine and 2 busted cables (speedo and rev counter) swallowed my pride made the repairs and have a sweet ride that I won't part with!

It's all good - karma - meant to be - Spadas are neat.

[fireball]

face the music, just think if someone did that to one of your auctions wouldnt you be pissed?

once you bid you own it im sure you agreed to trade me terms and conditions

[Grub]

It's all good - karma - meant to be - Spadas are neat.

Yes they are ... one of the hot 250's ... ask hXc and Yungatart

[xwhatsit]

$3000 all up for a Spada including shipping ain't too bad, really. From the stories you hear about them, they're pretty resilient to abuse as well.

Do it!

[The Stranger]

You have already been a bit silly (to be polite), don't be a weasel as well.

That said, I see no reason to not be straight with the seller and ask if he will remove your bid or cancel the trade.
I know I wouldn't force a trade if the buyer really didn't want the item and requested an out.

[vindy500]

dont be a dick, you bought it you own it

[gunrunner]

Why not post the link here so KB'ers can have a look and let you know how the bike looks, somebody may even know the bike or be able to help with delivery??

Better still someone might want it , next time bid 1st get spastic later:drinknsin

[gunrunner]

Geez... what happens if the poor bugger selling the bike is a KB'r and he comes into this thread and realises whats happening??? :gob:

He (the seller) hasnt done anything wrong, even relisting is a pain in the ass once you think you've sold something. I would hate to be treated with such disregard.

Dude, put yourself in his shoes and then treat him how you would want / expect to be treated. :yes:

Exactly i sell stuff on trade me i would be pissed off big time if you did that to me Be a man , take the bike honour your word . i.e how would you like it if you fell off your bike one day and the rest of us rode by and didnt stop to help - think about that . Hands up who agrees with that:argh:

[meteor]

Like most right thinking posts here... you've gotta man up. Do the right thing. Either pay up and own it or be honest with the seller and pay his success fee and his re adevertising fee. Don't reneg like some have suggested... that just low life!

[wickle]

Like most right thinking posts here... you've gotta man up. Do the right thing. Either pay up and own it or be honest with the seller and pay his success fee and his re adevertising fee. Don't reneg like some have suggested... that just low life!
Get on a bus go and get bike and while sitting for 8 hours reflect!

[MXNUT]

As someone who has had this done to them on trade me ( weasel out ) i know what its like.
He may have since commited to buying another new bike with the cash from the sale of this bike expecting you to honor your commitment.
Man up and grow a pair:stupid:

[I'm motarded]

Simple!

we have been mucked around like this, and it suxs

[Maki]

Sorry, but I just don't get this. You promised to pay a certain amount of money for a certain item. Why would you do that if you had no intention of carrying out your promise? What kind of character are you?

You own the bike now.

[FROSTY]

DUDE--- man up FFS. -call the seller right now and tell them you were pissed when you bid. -don't leave the poor sap hanging in the breeze --thats just gutless

[Meekey_Mouse]

DUDE--- man up FFS. -call the seller right now and tell them you were pissed when you bid. -don't leave the poor sap hanging in the breeze --thats just gutless

Huh, funny you say that... It is pretty breezy today!!

Yes, I'm :Offtopic:... I just couldn't resist that one!

As you were :innocent:

[Steve Gauge]

this guys whats known in the industry as atime waster

[sinfull]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM to see how close to the reserve it was and I now appear to have purchased the bike! Sight unseen! It's in Auckland and I'm 450km away! The price is OK, condition looks OK from the photos, but I'll have to spend $300 to get the damn thing sent down! Then to add insult to injury I found out about a similar bike with less Ks for the same price as it'll cost me to get the one that I've won, but it's closer to home! Anyone got any cunning "get out of Trademe auction purchase" trix? Otherwise I'll have to risk it and wear the consequence of my stupid mouse click!
:shutup::sick::shutup::sick:

Edit ya first post mate ! Let ppl know what your doing about it, or ya gonna continue to get flack from those who dont read further than the first post and then missread it anyway ! Then red rep ya for it, Struth talk about a pack of wolves !
Way i see it ya liked the look of the bike and are looking for one !
The bikes prolly a good one, at a not so bad a price !
If it is a rat and has problems that are not mentioned on trade me, then the seller is selling it under faulse rar de raaaaa and you have an out, if not then good score !

[MSTRS]

Happykamper, eh?
Shoulda just bought hXc's one, eh? Which sold for what you and I had agreed on.
And now you want to dick someone else around.
Enjoy 'cashing in' the building karma points....you deserve them.

[cowboyz]

Struth talk about a pack of wolves !
!

its not about a pack of wolves

It is about a group of people (not members as kiwibiker is not a club) that all agree the actions undertaken are unacceptable.

Often I have seen unacceptable behaviour expressed on kiwibiker with alot of people saying they object and then the whole thing turned round as a sympathy bid for the offender because "you shouldnt judge people"

[sinfull]

What've I done?! Last night after a few bevvies I bid on a bike on TM to see how close to the reserve it was and I now appear to have purchased the bike! Sight unseen! It's in Auckland and I'm 450km away! The price is OK, condition looks OK from the photos, but I'll have to spend $300 to get the damn thing sent down! Then to add insult to injury I found out about a similar bike with less Ks for the same price as it'll cost me to get the one that I've won, but it's closer to home! Anyone got any cunning "get out of Trademe auction purchase" trix? Otherwise I'll have to risk it and wear the consequence of my stupid mouse click!
:shutup::sick::shutup::sick:


will ring the chap tomorrow, fess up and see what he says. Keep 'em coming, guys.


that all agree the actions undertaken are unacceptable.


What actions Lance ?
The fact he made a blunder ?
Or the fact he posted on here to see if there was any way out of making said blunder ?
Or perhaps it was the fact he said he may have to wear the consequence of his stupid mouse click ?
They seem to be the only facts here ! Alot of posts condemning him here when it clearly states that he will most prolly have to grin and bear his mistake !
I agree with you that bidding on an auction winning it and then reneging is not the thing to do !
If the blunder is made, then he owns the bike unless he and the seller come to an arrangement ! Which this guy has said he will do, ring the seller !

If he or someone goes to test ride the bike and its a clunker and is not as described on trade me, he is within his rights to wave it !~

[The Lone Rider]

Bidding on trademe is a legal contract, it is sanctioned and official - read their policy.

If the seller should want to, he can take this to a disputes tribunal or whatever the particular court is suppose to be

Stop trolling, you were pressing bid to see where the reserve is. If your bids aren't going to be genuine, wait until the thing has closed and it might tell you.

[The Stranger]

What actions Lance ?

But in reality this is no different to call us a pack of wolves.
No one bit him, no one tore him to shreds. Very many pointed out that he would be wrong to not honour his bid and many disagreed with subsequent posts advising him how he could avoid his obligations.

Who are these wolves to which you referred please?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bidding on trademe is a legal contract, it is sanctioned and official - read their policy.

If the seller should want to, he can take this to a disputes tribunal or whatever the particular court is suppose to be

Stop trolling, you were pressing bid to see where the reserve is. If your bids aren't going to be genuine, wait until the thing has closed and it might tell you.


its all very well to have a legal remedy (which is the case here), but its another thing entirely to be able to afford to exercise that legal remedy. Also, assuming success in obtaining a judgment, its another thing entirely to then get the money, even if the law says you're entitled to it.

in this context the enforcement action is disputes tribunal and there are obvious issues (geographic separation, getting to know who you are really dealing with beyond a tardme username) none of which are insurmountable. The vendor could spend a lot of time and money and hassle chasing you to perform. And if you decide not to, realistically what is going to happen except red face on tardme and negative feedback?

Having said that, I am firmly with the crew who say you need to talk to the guy and tell him and then do a deal. If he shits himself then you need to sort it out, pay up and if it isnt the bike for you, re-sell it. Do the decent thing in other words. There isnt enough of it in society.

[cowboyz]

What actions Lance ?
the actions of him considering to dodge his obligation to buy.

The fact he made a blunder ?
I dont consider it a "blunder". If he had bid 10000 instead of 1000 that would be a "blunder". Bidding with no intention to buy not only stuffs it up for the seller if the reserve is met and the buyer wants out (as in this case) but also stuffs things up where the highest bid should be what the seller can review as "market price" from the general trademe population.
If a bike is for sale with a reserve of 14000 and a start price of 5000 and highest bid (what someone is willing to pay - not what someone who has nothing better to do but bid on auctions that they have no intention of buying) for it is 11000 then the seller can decide if they actually want to sell it for 11000 as they know someone out there is willing to pay that for it. If the "real" market price is actually 9000 and someone bids 11000 cause they havent got anything better to do then the seller falls into a false sense of what his bike is worth.
Or the fact he posted on here to see if there was any way out of making said blunder ?
Well, I may make mistakes from time to time but I certainly dont advertise that I am a moron time waster.
Or perhaps it was the fact he said he may have to wear the consequence of his stupid mouse click ?
there is no question in my mind that the "may have to" should be "definitely"

They seem to be the only facts here ! Alot of posts condemning him here when it clearly states that he will most prolly have to grin and bear his mistake !
they are the facts that the OP put to hand and will be judged by. If he wanted to be judged by different factors he should have put them in the orginal post. Dont tell me you dont judge people. I find it funny that the only time people bitch about being judged is when they dont like the outcome.

I agree with you that bidding on an auction winning it and then reneging is not the thing to do !
If the blunder is made, then he owns the bike unless he and the seller come to an arrangement ! Which this guy has said he will do, ring the seller !
again. the definition of "blunder" is in dispute
If he or someone goes to test ride the bike and its a clunker and is not as described on trade me, he is within his rights to wave it !~


This is a whole other kettle of fish. If the bike is misrepresented then by all means walk away. If what you are buying is not what you think you are buying (especially being the internet) then I dont see any reason why the deal cant be renegged. Not the case here.

[sinfull]

But in reality this is no different to call us a pack of wolves.
No one bit him, no one tore him to shreds. Very many pointed out that he would be wrong to not honour his bid and many disagreed with subsequent posts advising him how he could avoid his obligations.

Who are these wolves to which you referred please?
Ok i take yr point re the pack of wolves may have been the incorrect wording !
But i know for one i'd be pissed if every man and his dog came on and told me to man up when he has already stated that if he cant get out of it, he knows he owns it ! He also stated he was gonna ring the guy today fess up and see what the seller says !
Did ya check out the red bling someone gave him for the post ? whats the bet they never put their name to it !
I mean he's new to riding (Looking for his first bike by the sounds) new to this site (Prolly be a week b4 he posts again), prolly new to trade me ! Ya live and learn aye !!
The post that someone put up re him reneging on a deal with them, tells me that he might be a pratt like that but we still dont know the facts !

[The Stranger]

Ok i take yr point re the pack of wolves may have been the incorrect wording !
But i know for one i'd be pissed if every man and his dog came on and told me to man up when he has already stated that if he cant get out of it, he knows he owns it ! He also stated he was gonna ring the guy today fess up and see what the seller says !
Did ya check out the red bling someone gave him for the post ? whats the bet they never put their name to it !
I mean he's new to riding (Looking for his first bike by the sounds) new to this site (Prolly be a week b4 he posts again), prolly new to trade me ! Ya live and learn aye !!
The post that someone put up re him reneging on a deal with them, tells me that he might be a pratt like that but we still dont know the facts !

I think you are being a little over sensitive there sir.

Red rep! What's the problem with red rep. Red rep is for the win.
When you get red it means you got under someone's skin.
How cool is that.
Please note however, it doesn't count if you are a complete social missfit like say Katman or BMW_Racer as no one pays a second thought giving them red.

The other thing I think should be remembered is that he (the original poster) posted a public invite for options.
Now seriously, if he didn't want all the options, why ask?

[sinfull]

I think you are being a little over sensitive there sir.

Red rep! What's the problem with red rep. Red rep is for the win.
When you get red it means you got under someone's skin.
How cool is that.
Please note however, it doesn't count if you are a complete social missfit like say Katman or BMW_Racer as no one pays a second thought giving them red.

The other thing I think should be remembered is that he (the original poster) posted a public invite for options.
Now seriously, if he didn't want all the options, why ask?

Your right :crybaby: Far too much time spent indoors with nothing better to do than find an excuse to post on here !
Red bling is something new to me but after recieving one from getting under a certain skin i'm immune now ! But insert symbol here :crybaby: I saw the original posters first bling was a red and thats what had me crying wolf in that post !
But you are correct in saying noone really tore him to shreds in their posts !
I bow my head and back out slowly !

[shafty]

Man up - it'll be a good story to tell your Mates later anyway -- and if its not as good as described when you see it, you have a legitimate "out" - esp having spent the dosh to travel to see it.

I sometimes see adverts saying " Re advertised to time waster" - I often wonder what sort of tosser they are.

Enjoy the experience!:Playnice:

[bobsmith]

Not that I would ever ever suggest such a thing but you could always go to an Internet cafe, make a new Trademe account and place a bid higher than yours. Of course I would never suggest such a disgusting fraud like action and it wouldn't work if it was a Adress verified member only auction.

I'm just saying if we were talking hypothetically it could work.

[happykamper]

Well, well, well! What a turnout. What a response. Thanks to those who had sensible stuff to say and to the rest, you get the contempt you deserve... You know who you are... Not so friendly, the ol' KB forum then...

Don't tell me that you lot haven't made any silly choices in your lives. We all have.

Who knows what decision I have or have not made. Not sure that I'll give you lot the pleasure, only to be told either "what a dick" or "good on you". At the end of the day, remember I don't know any of you on here, there's certainly some of you who are sharp with the words.

Hope you've had fun - I certainly enjoyed reading the responses. As far as I am concerned, chapter now closed.

Over and out...

[happykamper]

Oh aye, and if I find out who gave me the red bling I may feed the wolves and let this saga continue...

[happykamper]

Happykamper, eh?
Shoulda just bought hXc's one, eh? Which sold for what you and I had agreed on.
And now you want to dick someone else around.
Enjoy 'cashing in' the building karma points....you deserve them.

Maybe. Maybe not. Hop off your soapbox there, fella... I recall you saying - and I quote "Whatever happens with this bike, don't be a stranger". I thought to myself that that's a good attitude to have. It appears that I was mistaken.

[happykamper]

Get on a bus go and get bike and while sitting for 8 hours reflect!

ROTFLMAO!
:clap:

[Squiggles]

Then to add insult to injury I found out about a similar bike with less Ks for the same price as it'll cost me to get the one that I've won, but it's closer to home!

k's dont reflect everything, and when you buy something, sooner or later (sooner in this case), it turns out you could have got it cheaper somewhere else... it seems you're keen on spada's, why not this one?

[breakaway]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-165359878.htm

[Mikkel]

Well, well, well! What a turnout. What a response. Thanks to those who had sensible stuff to say and to the rest, you get the contempt you deserve... You know who you are... Not so friendly, the ol' KB forum then...

...

Who knows what decision I have or have not made. Not sure that I'll give you lot the pleasure, only to be told either "what a dick" or "good on you". At the end of the day, remember I don't know any of you on here, there's certainly some of you who are sharp with the words.

You bid on it - you buy it! It's not really that hard... If you want to dick around with that decision don't come posting on KB for sympathy.

You make a bad decision, well too bad for you. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet!

So what happened in the end? So far I have a feeling that the jury is leaning towards "What a dick!" So you haven't got much to loose really.

BTW - if MSTRS says the two of you had agreed upon a price then I'd be more likely to believe him than you. Nothing to do with soapboxes - only honesty mate. Enjoy the fact that you have some degree of anonymity on here and that most people won't violate that. Personally I hope he will name and shame - it's his perogative.


Oh aye, and if I find out who gave me the red bling I may feed the wolves and let this saga continue...

Ooooh, I'm sure everybody are shaking in their pants now. Have some more...

How I fucking hate campers - yes I used to play a decent amount of CS.

[gav]

Bidding on trademe is a legal contract, it is sanctioned and official - read their policy.

If the seller should want to, he can take this to a disputes tribunal or whatever the particular court is suppose to be

Stop trolling, you were pressing bid to see where the reserve is. If your bids aren't going to be genuine, wait until the thing has closed and it might tell you.
Maybe it is, but how often does the seller pull the auction before it ends? Even if its made reserve? And they advertise it as "advertised elsewhere", wonder if they were selling a car at say Turners, and half way through the auction they got up and said I've just had a text from someone that wants to buy it, I'm now withdrawing it! No difference is it?

[ozrobo]

true you did make the bid when you realized you got it you should of told him before the auction finished and he could of changed the reserve i made the mistake once and the guy was understanding

[Winston001]

Maybe it is, but how often does the seller pull the auction before it ends? Even if its made reserve? And they advertise it as "advertised elsewhere", wonder if they were selling a car at say Turners, and half way through the auction they got up and said I've just had a text from someone that wants to buy it, I'm now withdrawing it! No difference is it?

Well actually as a seller at auction, you can do that. An auction is simply an invitation from other people for offers - until you accept an offer, there is no sale and you can withdraw at any point up until the fall of the hammer - or reserve is met in Trademe.

[breakaway]

Throw aside htis 'legal agreement' bullshit. No one will be bothered taking you to court arguing that you have a legal agreement to complete the trade.

It's a dick thing to do, but you can pull out if you really want to with minimal repercussions. You'll get a Neutral / Negative feedback out of it maybe. I fucken hate when cunts do this to me though. Wastes my time.

[FROSTY]

Kamper, Ya know really its got sweet fuck all to do with wolves or bling or the law.
It has everything to do with common human decency.
Really it is that simple.

If you do or don't carry on with the sale to me is irrelevant
What is important is you be fair and reasonable with another human being.
Either step ut to the plate and pay up or contact the guy and admit you made a mistake.

[marty]

you've got the $$. you bid on the bike. you won the auction. it's yours.

[happykamper]

You bid on it - you buy it! It's not really that hard... If you want to dick around with that decision don't come posting on KB for sympathy.

You make a bad decision, well too bad for you. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet!

So what happened in the end? So far I have a feeling that the jury is leaning towards "What a dick!" So you haven't got much to loose really.

BTW - if MSTRS says the two of you had agreed upon a price then I'd be more likely to believe him than you. Nothing to do with soapboxes - only honesty mate. Enjoy the fact that you have some degree of anonymity on here and that most people won't violate that. Personally I hope he will name and shame - it's his perogative.



Ooooh, I'm sure everybody are shaking in their pants now. Have some more...

How I fucking hate campers - yes I used to play a decent amount of CS.

My, you're a friendly chap aren't you. I've got nothing to hide so if MSTRS or anyone else wants to name and shame, go ahead. Not entirely sure what I can be shamed for at this stage of my motorcycling career.

[Owl]

Oh aye, and if I find out who gave me the red bling I may feed the wolves and let this saga continue...

Another 230 posts and you will find out!

[happykamper]

230 posts? Naw, I might just go and cry into my milk...:cry:

[Mikkel]

My, you're a friendly chap aren't you. I've got nothing to hide so if MSTRS or anyone else wants to name and shame, go ahead. Not entirely sure what I can be shamed for at this stage of my motorcycling career.

I actually am a friendly fella - I just can't stand blow-hards internet toughguys and whinging whiners that's all. (H)TFU, (S)TFU or (G)TFO? :yes:

Good thing if you haven't got anything you could be shamed for... :niceone:

[brendonjw]

You bid, you won, you bought, quiet simple really, pay up and :Playnice:

[MSTRS]

Maybe. Maybe not. Hop off your soapbox there, fella... I recall you saying - and I quote "Whatever happens with this bike, don't be a stranger". I thought to myself that that's a good attitude to have. It appears that I was mistaken.


....

BTW - if MSTRS says the two of you had agreed upon a price then I'd be more likely to believe him than you. Nothing to do with soapboxes - only honesty mate. Enjoy the fact that you have some degree of anonymity on here and that most people won't violate that. Personally I hope he will name and shame - it's his perogative.



My, you're a friendly chap aren't you. I've got nothing to hide so if MSTRS or anyone else wants to name and shame, go ahead. Not entirely sure what I can be shamed for at this stage of my motorcycling career.

I'm not going to name and shame. Why sh/w-ould I? My post was a direct statement to HK and reflected my dealing(s) with him in person.
I meant what I said about keeping in touch etc BUT that was before I read the post that started this thread. I red blinged too...it said something about being accountable...and I meant that too. Back out of one sale, with/out a story to explain why...that's life. Do it again...well, says a lot.
Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice...shame on me.

[Steve Gauge]

I change my vote from this guys not only a timewaster but hes a first prize tosser , there were other people bidding on this auction and this prick fucked it for everyone interested , some people dont have any idea , you dont deserve the bike and stay off trademe when your pissed

[rottiguy]

I have to say you bid on it and won so you now own it. You have to be really careful at auctions and don't get caught up in the hype. Only bid what you can afford to pay otherwise you will end up in the shit, and hey presto here ya are in the stinky stuff. You will just have to pay ya money and learn from it.

[robo555]

If you tell the bidder quickly, I think he's able to offer it to the 2nd highest bidder.

[sunhuntin]

man, welcome to my blacklist! thats just plain wrong, you dont bid and then back out. i thought school holidays were over?

and as for dragging mstrs into this [over something i know nothing about], long time members here will believe mstrs ahead of some noob trying to drag him down.

[MSTRS]

and as for dragging mstrs into this [over something i know nothing about], long time members here will believe mstrs ahead of some noob trying to drag him down.

Thanks Charlie.
...actually, I don't care whether anyone believes me - I know what was said etc, and that's all that matters.

[happykamper]

man, welcome to my blacklist! thats just plain wrong, you dont bid and then back out. i thought school holidays were over?

and as for dragging mstrs into this [over something i know nothing about], long time members here will believe mstrs ahead of some noob trying to drag him down.

I'm not interested in dragging anybody down.

What really surprises me though is the number of people who:
(a) think that I'm a tosser/dick/weasel/weak/timewaster/idiot/dumbass/gimp/spastic"....." (insert here)
(b) think that it is right to pass comment in an aggressive manner (as above - all the above have appeared somewhere on the post or in my rep stats)
(c) do the above without knowing any facts over and above my original post around my dealings with either the trademe seller or any other bike vendors
(d) spout crap about human decency/doing the right thing/ and then do any or all of the above

Looks like it's easier to throw stones on here than make an informed decision. Somehow I don't think that there are many out there that are interested in the end result...

[happykamper]

13 posts and my OP made it to 7 pages!
:2thumbsup

[Katman]

and as for dragging mstrs into this

I believe MSTRS dragged himself into it.

[brendonjw]

I don't think that there are many out there that are interested in the end result...

Im very interested in finding out what you did in the end, can you please enlighten us so we can put a end to this :clap:

[doc]

13 posts and my OP made it to 7 pages!
:2thumbsup
I'm surprised that this is not in Pointless Drivel. or you have not been infracted for ignoring forum netiqueitte not bad for one of your first trolls. Aye

[blossomsowner]

Im very interested in finding out what you did in the end, can you please enlighten us so we can put a end to this :clap:

actually after skimming through all the pages of crap I too am interested in knowing the end result..........are you the proud new owner of spada or what?????

[blossomsowner]

actually after skimming through all the pages of crap I too am interested in knowing the end result..........are you the proud new owner of spada or what?????

still waiting.........its been two minutes and no answer




by the way.........plenty of people in or near auckland if you want to get bikes checked over....just ask.

[Katman]

Well actually as a seller at auction, you can do that. An auction is simply an invitation from other people for offers - until you accept an offer, there is no sale and you can withdraw at any point up until the fall of the hammer - or reserve is met in Trademe.

Once the reserve has been met you have accepted "an offer".

Plenty of sellers do the dirty by pulling the auction before it finishes - even if the reserve is met.

[The Stranger]

Once the reserve has been met you have accepted "an offer".

Plenty of sellers do the dirty by pulling the auction before it finishes - even if the reserve is met.

So what are you saying there Katman?
Are you suggesting it is ok to back out as a buyer because some sellers do that too?

[Katman]

So what are you saying there Katman?
Are you suggesting it is ok to back out as a buyer because some sellers do that too?

I'm suggesting it's hardly a fucking hanging offence.

[The Stranger]

I'm suggesting it's not a fucking hanging offence.

So when you give your word or make a commitment does it mean anything to you?

[Katman]

So when you give your word or make a commitment does it mean anything to you?

A while ago I listed a brand new helmet as a $1 reserve auction. I got $5 for it and I went through with the deal.

What the fuck does that tell you?

[The Stranger]

A while ago I listed a brand new helmet as a $1 reserve auction. I got $5 for it and I went through with the deal.

What the fuck does that tell you?

You were desperate to move your shit gear? Why else would you put it up for $1.00 reserve. It was probably fair price, after all value is only what someone is prepared to pay so it sounds like a reasonable deal all round.

If as you seem to suggest you really do have any morals, how can you condone then buyers or sellers withdrawing from an agreed deal (i.e. breaking thier word)? The condoning of such contributes to societies general moral decay. Aren't you in effect condoning failure to accept responsibility for ones own actions?

[MSTRS]

I believe MSTRS dragged himself into it.

...not kicking and screaming tho.
The OP backed out of an almost done-deal with me, had a credible 'reason'...oh well, as I said, that's life.
BUT then he posts on here basically asking how to back out of another 'deal' with someone else. Could I have sat by and said nothing? Yes, of course. But should I have...that's another matter, and I thought not. If he'd not started this thread, I would have gone on thinking that he seemed like a nice guy, friendly, appreciative of advice, who'd decided to go for what he considered a better deal. BTW his 'better deal' was not the Spada in Auckland either...
Are we seeing a pattern here? I certainly did.

[Katman]

Are we seeing a pattern here? I certainly did.

Then I suggest you stick to knitting.

[MSTRS]

Fairisle? Raglan sleeves? Fisherman's Rib?
What do you suggest K - I do so value your advice :doobey:

[Swoop]

No one will be bothered taking you to court arguing that you have a legal agreement to complete the trade.
You might be surprised...

[happykamper]

BTW his 'better deal' was not the Spada in Auckland either...

Just curious, what makes you say that?

[Mom]

Plenty of sellers do the dirty by pulling the auction before it finishes - even if the reserve is met.

Interestingly enough though, there are some sellers that despite getting an off Trade me offer of more than they actually want, leave the auction to run its course, as that is the honest way to deal.

Personally I think this young fella should stand by his bid and buy the thing, if he cant then he needs to contact the owner to attempt to wiggle his way out.

There is no room for grey in this situation no matter who you are, buyer or seller. You enter into a contract, you fulfill it. Unless of course I am one of the only honest people left out here IRL!

You are not seriously implying it is ok to renege on a binding contract, albeit one on the interweeby thingy, are you?

[cowboyz]

the internet has become such a normal part of everyday society one would think that its natural progression would be people treating internet deals the same as real life deals.

Maybe it still has time to go but I often find myself wondering where all the credibility has gone these days.

I cant believe that kamper is so surprised he has such a negative response from this thread.

[Brett]

might want to get some boot polish with all that tyre kicking.

I say you already brought it. If you want quit it now give the guy his money and list it on trademe. Trademe is bad enough without people avocating deals turning to shit.

I do agree.

[Mom]

the internet has become such a normal part of everyday society one would think that its natural progression would be people treating internet deals the same as real life deals.

Maybe it still has time to go but I often find myself wondering where all the credibility has gone these days.

I cant believe that kamper is so surprised he has such a negative response from this thread.

I agree mate! It appalls me that people are not good to their word these days, no matter where. I am the same on here as in the REAL WORLD! Nothing changes. I detest people that think it is ok, or even condone what has happened here. The OP here has laid himself open to the forum critique, he is getting it!

[BIHB@0610]

Why not just communicate with the seller? Explain what happened, just as you did in your opening post, and ask for leniency? You might be surprised ......? He might even be happier to re-list it than complete the deal.:yes:

[kiwi cowboy]

the auction tells you when the bid is within 15% of reserve

how did you bid too high?

not saying it happened in this case but ive put a bid on some things and the 15% reserve hasnt come up but later have found i lead bidding and reserve met cos the seller has droped the reserve after ive bid:yes:

[Owl]

not saying it happened in this case but ive put a bid on some things and the 15% reserve hasnt come up but later have found i lead bidding and reserve met cos the seller has droped the reserve after ive bid:yes:

I'm really pleased you posted that, as I haven't heard of that happening!:msn-wink:

[Katman]

You are not seriously implying it is ok to renege on a binding contract, albeit one on the interweeby thingy, are you?

You and The Stranger seem intent on putting words in my mouth.

There's not much difference between reneging on a Trademe auction and asking a bike shop to order in a part for you and then never bothering to go in to collect and pay for it. (I wonder how many of us can honestly say they've never done that?)

[Brett]

You bid on it, you bought it mate. Your best bet is to be honest with the bloke and hope that he decides to give you a break and let you off. If not, hard luck. Don't place a bid if you dont want to own it. If he lets you off, I would still say you should repay him the listing fee or messing him around.

[Mom]

Once the reserve has been met you have accepted "an offer".

Plenty of sellers do the dirty by pulling the auction before it finishes - even if the reserve is met.

No words in your mouth mate it is what you dont say that we are bringing to notice, and querying.

"Once the reserve has been met you have accepted "an offer"".

Yes that is true, as is the other side of the coin... You make the offer that is accepted the deal is done!

"Plenty of sellers do the dirty by pulling the auction before it finishes - even if the reserve is met".

And this make reneging on your accepted offer acceptable how?

Both actions are completely unacceptable to my mind.

[kiwi cowboy]

You and The Stranger seem intent on putting words in my mouth.

There's not much difference between reneging on a Trademe auction and asking a bike shop to get a part in for you and then never bothering to go in to collect and pay for it. (I wonder how many of us can honestly say they've never done that?)

fuk i must be an honest bugger:lol:iv'e done the bike shop buy twice[only small things though]if ya tell someone ya want somthing ya honor the sale as far as im concerned.
on the outher hand iv'e been burnt on tme before cos the sellers were liers and bullshitters could name name's:dodge:

[Katman]

No words in your mouth mate it is what you dont say that we are bringing to notice, and querying.



I think if you're that concerned about buyers reneging on Trademe auctions you must have very real difficulties getting through each day.

[sinfull]

:corn::corn::corn:

[Mom]

fuk i must be an honest bugger:lol:iv'e done the bike shop buy twice[only small things though]if ya tell someone ya want somthing ya honor the sale as far as im concerned.
on the outher hand iv'e been burnt on tme before cos the sellers were liers and bullshitters could name name's:dodge:

Name them! Seriously, name them. Hope you have reported them to Trade me Admin.

I detest dishonesty!

[Mom]

I think if you're that concerned about buyers reneging on Trademe auctions you must have very real difficulties getting through each day.

Just for your information, I dont have a Trade Me account. Never bid on a Trade Me auction either. The absolute last thing that keeps me awake nights is worrying about buyers reneging on Trade Me auctions...:killingme

The best you can come back with? :clap: Well done. :yes:

[Katman]

The absolute last thing that keeps me awake nights is worrying about buyers reneging on Trade Me auctions.

Some might think your previous post suggests otherwise.

:msn-wink:

[Brett]

Some might think your previous post suggests otherwise.

:msn-wink:

Stop being boring.

[kiwi cowboy]

Name them! Seriously, name them. Hope you have reported them to Trade me Admin.

I detest dishonesty!


the fella that owned the bike is ben444 [a member here also] and the wanker at vtnz that gave it a warrent must have been a mate of his or needs the sack cos he doesent no fuk all bout bikes.:bash:

[The Stranger]

You and The Stranger seem intent on putting words in my mouth.


Now see, I knew it was futile trying to have a rational conversation with you. I posed my responses as questions, not as statements, on purpose.
I enquired as to your position and views. They seem rather at odds with your stated position to me so I feel it not unreasonable to question your position so that I (and the others you preach to) may better understand your point of view. I had (perhaps mistakenly) assumed that you wanted us to understand your perspective, after all if you didn't want us to, why would you open your trap?




There's not much difference between reneging on a Trademe auction and asking a bike shop to order in a part for you and then never bothering to go in to collect and pay for it. (I wonder how many of us can honestly say they've never done that?)

That is indeed a cunty thing to do. I can honestly say I have never done that.
I still don't get your message there katman. Why stop at breaking your word? A lot of people steal, many deal drugs, are these things somehow acceptable now in your view?

I really fail to see how the fact that many do something makes it ok to do it.
Perhaps you could explain?
The Salem witch trials were supported by a majority (though obviously not the witches), did this make them right?

NOTE: I am not putting words in your mouth, merely enquiring so that I may learn from your wisdom.

[Katman]

NOTE: I am not putting words in your mouth, merely enquiring so that I may learn from your wisdom.

I wouldn't give you the steam off my shit.

:msn-wink:

[cowboyz]

You and The Stranger seem intent on putting words in my mouth.

There's not much difference between reneging on a Trademe auction and asking a bike shop to order in a part for you and then never bothering to go in to collect and pay for it. (I wonder how many of us can honestly say they've never done that?)

I will stick my hand up and say I have never done that.

Have never gone back on my word on a written deal or verbal deal either. I really hope I am not alone here.

[Owl]

I will stick my hand up and say I have never done that.

Have never gone back on my word on a written deal or verbal deal either. I really hope I am not alone here.

No you're not alone! I guess I picked up something from my old man. He may have been a prick, but he was a stand up prick!

[kiwi cowboy]

I wouldn't give you the steam off my shit.

:msn-wink:

thats right yours doesnt stink a :bleh: and by the way terhe is nthonig wonrg wtih my sepllnig:bleh:

[rottiguy]

he must have been a Viagra salesman


No you're not alone! I guess I picked up something from my old man. He may have been a prick, but he was a stand up prick!

[Owl]

he must have been a Viagra salesman

:laugh: No, but I bet he wished he was.

[Mom]

I wouldn't give you the steam off my shit.

:msn-wink:

About says it all really...what an intelligent response :clap:


I will stick my hand up and say I have never done that.

Have never gone back on my word on a written deal or verbal deal either. I really hope I am not alone here.


You are not alone at all!

[rottiguy]

:) yeah my old man was a stickler for doing what you said you were going to, also on returning borrowed things in a better condition than you got them in, and putting tools and crap away back where you got them from when you have finished ( well learned by me when they would get chucked full bore at me if I forgot and left it out). I always put my stuff back after cleaning and CRCing it these days


:laugh: No, but I bet he wished he was.

[yod]

There's not much difference between reneging on a Trademe auction and asking a bike shop to order in a part for you and then never bothering to go in to collect and pay for it. (I wonder how many of us can honestly say they've never done that?)

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[Mom]

:) yeah my old man was a stickler for doing what you said you were going to, also on returning borrowed things in a better condition than you got them in, and putting tools and crap away back where you got them from when you have finished ( well learned by me when they would get chucked full bore at me if I forgot and left it out). I always put my stuff back after cleaning and CRCing it these days

OMG! :gob: You learned values/morals and consequences.

Give your folks a big hug from me next time you see them.

[rottiguy]

haha we are not the hugging kind of family but thanks anyway :) Old man was not the emotional, show ya feelings kind of guy for sure, passed away a couple of years ago but the old lady is a good sort ( old man raised me and my brother on his own ) but I learned alot of practical skills :bash: just not any of the touchy feely stuff :hug: geez now it's sounding like a sob story :crybaby:


OMG! :gob: You learned values/morals and consequences.

Give your folks a big hug from me next time you see them.

[Mom]

haha we are not the hugging kind of family but thanks anyway :) Old man was not the emotional, show ya feelings kind of guy for sure, passed away a couple of years ago but the old lady is a good sort ( old man raised me and my brother on his own ) but I learned alot of practical skills :bash: just not any of the touchy feely stuff :hug: geez now it's sounding like a sob story :crybaby:

Hugs can be figurative too buddy...LOL

No sob story this one, this is about bidding on an auction, just to see where reserve was, a few drinks had been had by the bidder. The bid met reserve and the bidder was sucessful in purchasing the bike by auction on Trade Me.

He now says Uh Oh!

His forum peers have had their say on how they feel about his post.

There as usual is a bit of debate on the morals of this transaction by other members...LOL

[Rollestonchick]

:Oi:So what happened? Did You get the bike or what?, HappyKamper????? Please put us all out of our misery:Pokey: and tell us what you ended up doing

[sinfull]

:Oi:So what happened? Did You get the bike or what?, HappyKamper????? Please put us all out of our misery:Pokey: and tell us what you ended up doing

Tis a very slim chance he will post on here what happened with the auction chick ! Don't bag him for being ignorant and not replying to your post !
I still stand by what i said that ppl should not condemn others untill all the facts are clear !
This (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=78648&highlight=biketrans)might be a clue ! But then only the ppl who ride with HK will prolly ever know for sure lol

[vifferman]

There's not much difference between reneging on a Trademe auction and asking a bike shop to order in a part for you and then never bothering to go in to collect and pay for it. (I wonder how many of us can honestly say they've never done that?)
I can say that.
But (however) I've ordered bike parts, paid a deposit, and after months found out that the shop forgot to place the order. To their credit, they apologised profusely, and gave me a refund.
I've never reneged on an auction either. Although my very first auction freaked me out (thought I'd listed way too low) and I asked the workmate whose brother was listing it for me (I didn't have an account) to fix it. :o
It just boosted the price a few shekels (buyer still got a good deal - a leather jacket for less than $100), whereas my intention was that my workmate would "buy" it, then I'd pull the auction. Not something I'm proud of, but also not something I'd ever repeat.
On the flip side of the coin, I've been prepared to let someone off the hook when they bought some skis from me really cheap and the courier fee was more than the purchase price. (They went through with it, and still got a good total price).

I guess it's all about whether or not you have a conscience and principles you adhere to, and whether you can live with your actions. The thing is though, that the more you do dodgy things and justify them to yourself, the more it 'sears your conscience' and the easier it becomes to go further down that morally slippery slope. I'd have to admit that I do that with the way I drive/ride on the roads. It's a little different, in that safety is still paramount (which after all is what the road rules are there for), so there are boundaries I won't cross, like passing a stationary schoolbus at more than 30km/h, or speeding past a school, or doing ridiculous speeds on public roads, or driving through red lights or stop signs.

[rottiguy]

Of Course, as in, I'm gonna give you a real good "hugging" baby :)
A good add for not doing anything on the net except porn when ya pissed or ya might have just bought the farm.



Hugs can be figurative too buddy...LOL

No sob story this one, this is about bidding on an auction, just to see where reserve was, a few drinks had been had by the bidder. The bid met reserve and the bidder was sucessful in purchasing the bike by auction on Trade Me.

He now says Uh Oh!

His forum peers have had their say on how they feel about his post.

There as usual is a bit of debate on the morals of this transaction by other members...LOL

[happykamper]

Hey, let's get this thread back on topic: the Spade is mine! Fully paid up and delivered next Wednesday.
:soon:

[sinfull]

Hey, let's get this thread back on topic: the Spade is mine! Fully paid up and delivered next Wednesday.
:soon:
Awww fuck me you've not gone and bought the friggin thing, after all you said bout wanting to reneg on the deal and how ya really wanted to back out and stuff the seller around, have ya ?? Oh wait no, thats not what you said was it ? haha silly me !
Can i red bling ya ? Can I, just for the hell of it lol
Edit By crikey !! I aint been spreading enough rep around to be giving any colour to this happy kampers collection !
Some things happen by choice HK others happen by chance, I'm picking this was one of them moments where it felt good without you even realising it !
Enjoy !

[cowboyz]

it is the same as me saying I am buying a honda. Joking about it is fine, but seriously considering it and asking for opinion on it is a different matter entirely...................

[sinfull]

I still stand by what i said that ppl should not condemn others untill all the facts are clear !

Goes and ponders the next two months of, i just don't know what to do with myself !