NZ land speed record?

[uksteve]

Hi Just wondering if any one knows what the NZ motorcycle land speed record is. When and where, by who and on what bike?

[Nasty]

googled this

http://www.motorsport.org.nz/Awards/records.htm

[uksteve]

Thanks for that Nasty, looks like its only for four wheels

[dangerous]

Hi Just wondering if any knows what the NZ motorcyle land speed record is. When and where, by who and on what bike?

well I hold it on the scargill inland road on a Busa... :headbang:

[Steve Gauge]

Hi I think it was Brian Bernard on Suzuki NewZealands Hayabusa , from memory they only got around 314km cant rember the exact year but around six years ago , in the Sth island some where maybe Christchurch

[uksteve]

Dangerous thats impressive. What is the criteria required and how is it timed?

[CB ARGH]

Hi I think it was Brian Bernard on Suzuki NewZealands Hayabusa , from memory they only got around 314km cant rember the exact year but around six years ago , in the Sth island some where maybe Christchurch

Only 314... :crazy:

[MyGSXF]

Phil Garrett got the sidecar record.. 264ks.. "On 12 July 2005 on a cold winter's morning in Chertsey, South Canterbury, the Flying Kiwi team broke both the World and New Zealand Land Speed Records for 1000cc sidecars over a flying kilometre" :Punk:

[dangerous]

Dangerous thats impressive. What is the criteria required and how is it timed?

'criteria' thats easy... ya mate gets a migrain and takes a car home, so I ride his busa the next day... ya open tha taps wide and hang on for ya life... timing was done by my arse cheaks squesing the hell out of the seat (pinch marks still noticable on seat) and by watching the speedo go nuts :wacko::whistle:;)

[dangerous]

Phil Garrett got the sidecar record.. 264ks.. "On 12 July 2005 on a cold winter's morning in Chertsey, South Canterbury, the Flying Kiwi team broke both the World and New Zealand Land Speed Records for 1000cc sidecars over a flying kilometre" :Punk:

No he didnt... Glen Hayward was faster on the day :headbang:

[uksteve]

'criteria' thats easy... ya mate gets a migrain and takes a car home, so I ride his busa the next day... ya open tha taps wide and hang on for ya life... timing was done by my arse cheaks squesing the hell out of the seat (pinch marks still noticable on seat) and by watching the speedo go nuts :wacko::whistle:;)
A man of many talents:laugh:

[dangerous]

A man of many talents:laugh:

sorry and cheers man :beer:

[Madness]

This (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4490634a1927.html) was done on Aussie soil by Kiwi's.

Also check this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1410294&postcount=238) out, from a local sprint meeting.

I believe the official NZ land speed record for motorcycles still stands at 307km/hr.

[RC1]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10520028

[koba]

Hi Just wondering if any knows what the NZ motorcycle land speed record is. When and where, by who and on what bike?

I think it belongs to John Hepburn.

A quote from Kickaha: (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=77268&page=2)

"Around March 2000, John Hepburn of Timaru set a new NZ land speed record of 307.447km in a run in Southland near Edendale on a Hayabusa"

Can anyone confirm?

[MyGSXF]

No he didnt... Glen Hayward was faster on the day :headbang:

Wrong!! :girlfight: Just been talking to Phil.. he confirmed HE got the NZ record & Glen got the World record! :bleh:


As a side note: Phil is heading over to Bonneville 28th of Aug, to help the new owner of the Flying Kiwi break the current record!! & while he's there, he's having a blat on a 1400 Kawasaki Turbo!!!! :gob:

He's also pretty sure what Koba said.. is still current.. ""Around March 2000, John Hepburn of Timaru set a new NZ land speed record of 307.447km in a run in Southland near Edendale on a Hayabusa" :Punk:

[scrivy]

You could always bolt a sidewheel onto a dragbike and go for the sidecar world record........ :devil2: eh sidecar bob.......

[johan]

How does the timing work on these records attempts? Is the measured speed normalized against a set of predefined atmospheric conditions?

[gunrunner]

Hi I think it was Brian Bernard on Suzuki NewZealands Hayabusa , from memory they only got around 314km cant rember the exact year but around six years ago , in the Sth island some where maybe Christchurch

I actually remember seeing it on the news years ago , was on a straight road just out of Ashburton , only remember that as i was born there and bout 4 years ago got a speeding ticket - i think it was on the same stretch of road :Oops:

[koba]

How does the timing work on these records attempts? Is the measured speed normalized against a set of predefined atmospheric conditions?

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Chapter_18_National_Speed_Records.pdf

[Kickaha]

I actually remember seeing it on the news years ago , was on a straight road just out of Ashburton

The sidecar one was set at Chertsey this side of Ashburton, the Motorcycle one was set near Edendale


No he didnt... Glen Hayward was faster on the day :headbang:

Glen was faster on the day at 272kmh, but his is the world record, Phil holds the NZ record, although it'd be an easy one to beat

[johan]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Chapter_18_National_Speed_Records.pdf

Thanks for that link!

I couldn't see atmospheric conditions were mentioned.

It seems odd if timing devices with the resolution of at least one fiftieth of a second are required, but no measure of atmosphere is carried out.

As far as I know with the little aviation theory I've been studying, engine performance can change around 10% from day to day. It wouldn't be too hard to convert the speed to ISA conditions just to see how much it would differ, if it would make any practical difference.

[Forest]

The bike is capable of 350km/h

That Herald article is full of shit. There's no way that a 1098R can go 350km/h without serious and substantial modifications.

[Gremlin]

There's no way that a 1098R can go 350km/h without serious and substantial modifications.
Who said anything about a 1098R? They are talking about the desmosedici...

[dangerous]

That Herald article is full of shit. There's no way that a 1098R can go 350km/h without serious and substantial modifications.

The only possible way anything will do 350k is via streamlining, HP is worthless over about 270K.

[YellowDog]

Hi Just wondering if any knows what the NZ motorcycle land speed record is. When and where, by who and on what bike?
Tell us just how fast you went and where you did it?

[T.W.R]

The sidecar one was set at Chertsey this side of Ashburton.

Glen was faster on the day at 272kmh, but his is the world record, Phil holds the NZ record, although it'd be an easy one to beat

Chertsey Kyle Rd to be exact :niceone:

And they F@*#ed up too and used the roughest road in the area :oi-grr:

[scrivy]

I couldn't see atmospheric conditions were mentioned.

It seems odd if timing devices with the resolution of at least one fiftieth of a second are required, but no measure of atmosphere is carried out.

As far as I know with the little aviation theory I've been studying, engine performance can change around 10% from day to day. It wouldn't be too hard to convert the speed to ISA conditions just to see how much it would differ, if it would make any practical difference.

Pressure and density heights would make a huge difference.

[boomer]

kiwifruit holds the record for speed in a straight line and speed on one wheel..

check out YOUTUBE.. for real !


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http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61147&d=1179112839

[madbikeboy]

Ok, is it just me, or does 307 not sound that fast?

Now, I'm not advocating doing anything illegal, but I worked out the gear ratios and final drive on my humble scoot, and it worked out about 310 (on the limiter in top). The speedo stops at 299, but they lie like politicians anyhow.

I would have thought a hayabusa would've gone faster given my experience with them.

I'm assuming that you can change gear ratios, and run taller back ends, and with the mirrors off...

307 should be achievable...

Anyone willing to give it a go (meaning loan me a Hayabusa for a day?). It'd be interesting to find somewhere and get the permissions to try it out. I'd be willing to give the 1000cc record a nudge...

[Deano]

Cliff Hanger Promotions are currently in the throes of organising a NZ speed record attempt.

Looks like it will be held in Featherston in early November.

[koba]

Thanks for that link!

I couldn't see atmospheric conditions were mentioned.

It seems odd if timing devices with the resolution of at least one fiftieth of a second are required, but no measure of atmosphere is carried out.

As far as I know with the little aviation theory I've been studying, engine performance can change around 10% from day to day. It wouldn't be too hard to convert the speed to ISA conditions just to see how much it would differ, if it would make any practical difference.


Right atmospheric conditions really affect performance of the bike, at the sprint the VFR's top speed varied by 12 Kays or so, getting faster as the air got thinner.

BUT apart from wind how does it matter?

The idea is to cover a measured kilometer (or whatever) in an acuratley measured elapsed time, the atmospheric conditions dont change the constant of a meter or of a second.

Or do they... :shifty:




Ok, is it just me, or does 307 not sound that fast?

Now, I'm not advocating doing anything illegal, but I worked out the gear ratios and final drive on my humble scoot, and it worked out about 310 (on the limiter in top). The speedo stops at 299, but they lie like politicians anyhow.

I would have thought a hayabusa would've gone faster given my experience with them.

I'm assuming that you can change gear ratios, and run taller back ends, and with the mirrors off...

307 should be achievable...

Anyone willing to give it a go (meaning loan me a Hayabusa for a day?). It'd be interesting to find somewhere and get the permissions to try it out. I'd be willing to give the 1000cc record a nudge...


I really isn't as easy as it sounds, getting two runs back to back seems to be the hard bit.
It seems litre bikes get to 290 REAL KPH relativley easy but after that every kay an hour seems a bit of a battle.

Thats not to say it can't be done, I would say it is somthing most people with a good modern litre bike could have a go at.

As dangerous says aerodynamics are very important, the rolling resistance (wheel bearings, chain etc..) on a bike doubles with a 2x increase in speed but the aerodynamic resistance increases exponentialy.
(I think)

[johan]

What you're looking at is the density altitude. As you know, performance of a normal aspirated engine decreases with altitude opposed to a turbo equipped engine, where the higher altitude with lower temps work to its advantage.
We're not necessarily talking about air resistance; bike vs airflow, turbulence and drag. That's another topic.

The density altitude is a product of altitude, pressure, humidity (dew point) and temperature. So at a geographic location of 100 feet, as the atmospheric conditions are changing, the engine will perform as if it was at an altitude of say 5000 feet. Or it could be the other way around, density altitude decreases, and you'll get an increase in performance.

High density air equals to more horsepower (more air molecules in a given volume of air).

You also want to know the current figures to make adjustments to the injection for optimal performance.

Just like when you do a normal dyno, the operator should be very careful to enter the atmospheric conditions valid for that hour.

Here's an online tool. Play with it, as you can see, horsepower can change 10%. If you have a bike with 200 horsepower, that's 20 ponies up or down.
http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_hp_dp_metric.htm

Read this report where they are keeping track of the atmospheric conditions all the time.
http://www.cookedgoose.org/2001bonnevilles.htm

Looking only at the GPS for speed becomes more of a random number generator without taking density altitude into account.

I'm sure more knowledge people can correct me, I'm new to this, but the subject caught my attention.


Right atmospheric conditions really affect performance of the bike, at the sprint the VFR's top speed varied by 12 Kays or so, getting faster as the air got thinner.

BUT apart from wind how does it matter?

The idea is to cover a measured kilometer (or whatever) in an acuratley measured elapsed time, the atmospheric condidtions dont change the constant of a meter or of a second.

Or do they... :shifty:

[madbikeboy]

Allright, I'm going to be really serious for a moment.

Running on tarmac isn't like at Bonneville, most bikes at Bonneville struggle with the air and the lack of traction on the salt.

Now, on stock gearing, my bike can and does hit the limiter in top gear. Without doing the math on the increased circumference of the tire, because I have no way of measuring, I can extrapolate what the speed of the bike is based on final drive ratios.

I think, based on the way the scoot pulls at top end, that I might be able to add a tooth over stock, or maybe two, and still hit the rev limiter.

Doing the math on either of those puts the bike over 307, not by much, but that's not the point.

My bike has had a small amount of work :) and there are other GSXR1000's on here with more power, surely one of those would do it. Then, take into account what sort of torque a Hayabusa has, and then the numbers don't look all that fast, meaning if my slow old gixer can do it, then a new Busa should be able to better it...

Doing two runs would be more about making sure the preparation is perfect, and that the bike was dialed in ahead of time.

Disclaimer: All speed runs on the limiter in sixth have been done on a private closed road or at a racetrack. I don't advocate speed, noise, wheelstands, or country music - they're all superbad, and should be outlawed in the same way clubbing baby seals is bad and should be outlawed. In fact, we shouldn't even be allowed to ride those contraptions with two wheels without someone walking ahead of us while wearing a safety vest ringing a bell warning passersby that we're coming - and we should have to wear bubble wrap and get nice cuddles from our PM.

[Forest]

Who said anything about a 1098R? They are talking about the desmosedici...

Sorry. Was posting late at night.

The Desmosedidi RR might be capable of 350kmh.

[Kickaha]

Cliff Hanger Promotions are currently in the throes of organising a NZ speed record attempt.

Looks like it will be held in Featherston in early November.

Will this mean any bike can enter and will be able to have a go at whatever the current record for their class is?

[koba]

What you're looking at is the density altitude. As you know, performance of a normal aspirated engine decreases with altitude opposed to a turbo equipped engine, where the higher altitude with lower temps work to its advantage.
We're not necessarily talking about air resistance; bike vs airflow, turbulence and drag. That's another topic.

The density altitude is a product of altitude, pressure, humidity (dew point) and temperature. So at a geographic location of 100 feet, as the atmospheric conditions are changing, the engine will perform as if it was at an altitude of say 5000 feet. Or it could be the other way around, density altitude decreases, and you'll get an increase in performance.

High density air equals to more horsepower (more air molecules in a given volume of air).

You also want to know the current figures to make adjustments to the injection for optimal performance.

Just like when you do a normal dyno, the operator should be very careful to enter the atmospheric conditions valid for that hour.

Here's an online tool. Play with it, as you can see, horsepower can change 10%. If you have a bike with 200 horsepower, that's 20 ponies up or down.
http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_hp_dp_metric.htm

Read this report where they are keeping track of the atmospheric conditions all the time.
http://www.cookedgoose.org/2001bonnevilles.htm

Looking only at the GPS for speed becomes more of a random number generator without taking density altitude into account.

I'm sure more knowledge people can correct me, I'm new to this, but the subject caught my attention.

Right, but it is somthing that compeditors have to work with and tune to and isn't really somthing that should be considered in recording the attempt.

I'm finding it hard to explain what I mean....

If a bike does 310 average speed, both ways under the conditions set out in the MNZ rules under the perfect atmospheric conditions that have been tuned to by the racer/race team then the should have the record, in my opinion, the relative air density is just another part of the game that the smart tuner needs to be up with and doesn't constitute an "unfair" factor.
I guess "thats racing" applies.

I don't know for sure if you were asking whether air density ect should be taken into account - damn internet communication i really struggle with it sometimes!

Another factor would be that thinner air MAY (just guessing) create less resistance for the bike to push against, possibly offsetting some power loss.

Perhaps a given bike may be faster (due to less air resistance) at high altitude even if it puts out less power if the less dense air is allowed for in tuning?







Allright, I'm going to be really serious for a moment.

Running on tarmac isn't like at Bonneville, most bikes at Bonneville struggle with the air and the lack of traction on the salt.

Now, on stock gearing, my bike can and does hit the limiter in top gear. Without doing the math on the increased circumference of the tire, because I have no way of measuring, I can extrapolate what the speed of the bike is based on final drive ratios.

I think, based on the way the scoot pulls at top end, that I might be able to add a tooth over stock, or maybe two, and still hit the rev limiter.

Doing the math on either of those puts the bike over 307, not by much, but that's not the point.

My bike has had a small amount of work :) and there are other GSXR1000's on here with more power, surely one of those would do it. Then, take into account what sort of torque a Hayabusa has, and then the numbers don't look all that fast, meaning if my slow old gixer can do it, then a new Busa should be able to better it...

Doing two runs would be more about making sure the preparation is perfect, and that the bike was dialed in ahead of time.

Disclaimer: All speed runs on the limiter in sixth have been done on a private closed road or at a racetrack. I don't advocate speed, noise, wheelstands, or country music - they're all superbad, and should be outlawed in the same way clubbing baby seals is bad and should be outlawed. In fact, we shouldn't even be allowed to ride those contraptions with two wheels without someone walking ahead of us while wearing a safety vest ringing a bell warning passersby that we're coming - and we should have to wear bubble wrap and get nice cuddles from our PM.

DO IT!

I See you understand that the gearing needs to be spot on for the intended top speed, I would reccomend having a few spare rear sprockets on the day just in case tho.
Also concentrating on aerodynamics would be a good way to start, esp if you already have "the easy" power mods, maybe single seat hump, real good leathers with a good speed hump.

[koba]

Will this mean any bike can enter and will be able to have a go at whatever the current record for their class is?

Some info on current records would be interesting, also really the purpose of this thread....
MNZs records bit on thier website seems poked.
I shall use the E-mail.

[johan]

yeah, I see what you mean koba. :msn-wink:

Simplified, it's the same as having a 100kph tail wind one year and the next year you have 100kph head wind. It's nothing you can do anything about, it might just work to your favour, or not.

Should this be taken into account or not when setting a record? According to MNZ rules, it's not a part of the measurement. Which is fine. I just found it a bit odd.

I shall stop my rambling now.

[k14]

yeah, I see what you mean koba. :msn-wink:

Simplified, it's the same as having a 100kph tail wind one year and the next year you have 100kph head wind. It's nothing you can do anything about, it might just work to your favour, or not.

Should this be taken into account or not when setting a record? According to MNZ rules, it's not a part of the measurement. Which is fine. I just found it a bit odd.

I shall stop my rambling now.
No it is not the same as having head winds, the winds are supposed to be irrelevant due to having to do one run each way within one hour (i think??) of each other.

Does anyone have a copy of all the records for all bikes? What is the 125 record??

[koba]

No it is not the same as having head winds, the winds are supposed to be irrelevant due to having to do one run each way within one hour (i think??) of each other.

Does anyone have a copy of all the records for all bikes? What is the 125 record??

I've E-mailed MNZ.
Will post reply.
I know Ivan did a one way run of 204.08kph.

Sprints results at www.cliffhanger.org.nz makes for interesting reading.

[Kickaha]

the winds are supposed to be irrelevant due to having to do one run each way within one hour (i think??) of each other.

I think the wind is not allowed to be over a certain speed for a record attempt

[madbikeboy]

Sorry. Was posting late at night.

The Desmosedidi RR might be capable of 350kmh.

If you threw it out of a Hercules maybe...

Plus, if you ran it, you'd need to get it started again for the second run. I own Italian machinery, it's not as much of a joke as you'd think...

[madbikeboy]

DO IT!

I See you understand that the gearing needs to be spot on for the intended top speed, I would reccomend having a few spare rear sprockets on the day just in case tho.
Also concentrating on aerodynamics would be a good way to start, esp if you already have "the easy" power mods, maybe single seat hump, real good leathers with a good speed hump.


If they'll let me run, I'll be there. Yeah, the gearing is the key, too big, and the bike can't get on top of the gear, too small, and it's just over too soon. Anyone willing to sponsor me a nice new set of tires for the event??? Of course, aerodynamics is also the key - I spend time doing performance coaching for cycling - you'd be amazed at the small things that reduce drag hugely.

Can you provide the rules, can I remove mirrors and indicators? I don't think (from memory) that you can alter the shape of the bike for speed attempts, but a shroud behind the lid makes sense.

Seriously, if they will let me run, I'm in...

[Deano]

Will this mean any bike can enter and will be able to have a go at whatever the current record for their class is?

No - the event is only for a few competitiors that have shown that they have gone close to, or better than the record.

[koba]

No - the event is only for a few competitiors that have shown that they have gone close to, or better than the record.

Should be mint to watch too.

[Forest]

If you threw it out of a Hercules maybe...

Plus, if you ran it, you'd need to get it started again for the second run. I own Italian machinery, it's not as much of a joke as you'd think...

I was skeptical as well. But according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici) the 800cc GP8 was measured at 343.2 km/h. So I expect the 989cc Desmosedici RR should be capable of something similar (once it has been put into race trim).

[pritch]

The information at this link is historic but gives an idea of what record categories there are, or at least, were.
The information is also incomplete, not mentioning Hempleman or Briggs, Moore, Mauger et al.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/1966/M/MotorCycleRacing/InternationalCompetition/en

[madbikeboy]

I was skeptical as well. But according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici) the 800cc GP8 was measured at 343.2 km/h. So I expect the 989cc Desmosedici RR should be capable of something similar (once it has been put into race trim).

343.2? Well, how interesting. You'd think if it was geared correctly, it'd pull a little more... I retract the hercules statement.

[jrandom]

343.2? Well, how interesting. You'd think if it was geared correctly, it'd pull a little more...

Well, that was recorded during a race, so the bike wouldn't have been geared for top speed at the time.

[k14]

I was skeptical as well. But according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici) the 800cc GP8 was measured at 343.2 km/h. So I expect the 989cc Desmosedici RR should be capable of something similar (once it has been put into race trim).
That is the motogp bike, not the production bike. The 800's got to 340kph at this year's china gp.

The road bike won't be geared anywhere near as high, but with a gearing change it should on paper be able to get over 300. It isn't as easy as it sound though, there are a whole heap of factors that have to come together at the right time for a speed bid to succeed.

[quallman1234]

125 record is only 119mph, set in 96'.

[koba]

125 record is only 119mph, set in 96'.

1995 actually, by R.H. Bleach in Christchurch. :dodge:

I asked MNZ Nicley and they sent me a copy on the Records, all scanned from the old paper, looks bloody neat!

The Latest Records they supplied are:

50cc
17/3/84
P.D. Sales (Im guessing that is Pete sales)
80.212 MPH
Suzuki
Waihopai Vally, Blenheim.


125cc
16/9/95
RH Bleach
119.06 MPH
Honda
Christchurch

250cc
19/02/05
John Beck
159.95 MPH
Yamaha TZ250
Matai Road, East Edendale, Invercargill

350cc
7/10/78
M.T. Pero
149.19 MPH
Yamaha
Christchurch

500cc
1/10/77
J.R. Woodley
157.068 MPH
Suzuki RG500
Waihopain Road, Blenheim

750cc
10/6/06
W.J. Ladbrook
183.05 MPH
Suzuki
Invercargill

1050cc
04/12/93
J White
187.96 MPH
Britten
Chrischurch

This is just the latest in each class of what they have sent to me.
I wouldn't read it as official fact, also I may have cocked up typing!

It is interesting seeing some of the names on there!
H. J. Munro is down in the 750 class in 1957 at 143.59 MPH!!!

Edit: They are also all labeled as "Road Speed Record" - I'm not sure if that means anything.

Edit 2: No mention of open class, all classes listed are in the MNZ rulebook except "Open" which according to the rules is "any capacity up to but not exceeding 1350cc"

[Kickaha]

1995 actually, by R.H. Bleach in Christchurch. :dodge:


I'll ask him about that when I see him at the next meeting

[quallman1234]

I wasn't far off! I think it was on a 92' Honda RS125, if memory serves me right.

Some seriously ancient records there eh!

P.s Ivan did 126mph at the sprints.

[k14]

I'll ask him about that when I see him at the next meeting
Yeah I may too. Damn, where do I sign up. I reckon I could get 210kph (currently record in modern measurement is 190ish) at a doddle. 220 is possible but would need a pretty big runup.

[dangerous]

50cc
17/3/84
P.D. Sales (Im guessing that is Pete sales)
80.212 MPH
Suzuki
Waihopai Vally, Blenheim.Ohhh now come on that must be a easy one to beter?




125cc
16/9/95
RH Bleach
119.06 MPH
Honda
ChristchurchOld Russel aye, full of suprises, hes our oldest BMRC member.




350cc
7/10/78
M.T. Pero
149.19 MPH
Yamaha
ChristchurchMike Pero I asume?
Well... I reckon I could crush that on my old 350LC easy as, whats the rules?




750cc
10/6/06
W.J. Ladbrook
183.05 MPH
Suzuki
Invercargill

Seen the oll bugger do that GSXR Turbo IIRC I tried the same day on my 750 Kat, but it wasnt going so well so I never did the book work LOL

[koba]

Mike Pero I asume?
Well... I reckon I could crush that on my old 350LC easy as, whats the rules?


Rules (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Chapter_18_National_Speed_Records.pdf)

Thats pretty fair flying....

[dangerous]

Rules (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Chapter_18_National_Speed_Records.pdf)

Thats pretty fair flying....

Ohhh yeah, in MPH... and in 78, crickey
Man thats a lot of certificates... and whats with the max cc of 1350? that should be open over that figer.

[BMW S1000RR]

I own a BMW S1000RR that's 188rwhp and have been riding bikes 20 years have owned 13 1000cc bikes. One over 200rwhp and know you can do over 307kph on a bike on the road in nz but how do you qualify to try? I'm very interested in having a go on my S1000RR can someone post a way to contact people in charge of attempts or rules to having a crack at record? Or does someone know someone whose previously done it and can ask cheers

[Gremlin]

Might be worth a try: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/169536-2014-East-West-Sprints

They run the event once or twice a year.

[Grumph]

I own a BMW S1000RR that's 188rwhp and have been riding bikes 20 years have owned 13 1000cc bikes. One over 200rwhp and know you can do over 307kph on a bike on the road in nz but how do you qualify to try? I'm very interested in having a go on my S1000RR can someone post a way to contact people in charge of attempts or rules to having a crack at record? Or does someone know someone whose previously done it and can ask cheers

It's complicated...Finding a club interested is the first hurdle, then a road suitable - not easy as access, surface and gradient all count. Certified timing gear - and paying the owner/operator plus marshals to run the road closure, their accomodation if needed and transport...Permits and insurance...

The last guy i knew who was keen and apparently had the $$ had a promise from Tim Shadbolt of assistance so I put him in touch with the Southland club as they would have to run it. Never heard any more.....

Once upon a time several clubs ran flying 1/4 mile events regularly. It's become so hard to do now and speeds so high that no one is prepared to do it now.

[T.W.R]

Ashburton Car Club hold their Standing & Flying 1/4 mile sprints annually :yes:

Chertsey Singletree Rd (the place where Flying Kiwi should have run instead of the goat track they ran on :pinch:) billiard-table smooth & perfect for high speed runs :yes: :innocent:

5th December this year (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ashburtoncarclub.org.nz%2Fcms %2Fupcoming-events%2F12-chertsey-standing-flying-mile-sprints%2Fevent_details&ei=yKxXVZjDOOGumAWD0YGACQ&usg=AFQjCNHruG8Zh3AS5uxNBwlvAXpndDs6SA&bvm=bv.93564037,d.dGY)

[BMW S1000RR]

It's complicated...Finding a club interested is the first hurdle, then a road suitable - not easy as access, surface and gradient all count. Certified timing gear - and paying the owner/operator plus marshals to run the road closure, their accomodation if needed and transport...Permits and insurance...

The last guy i knew who was keen and apparently had the $$ had a promise from Tim Shadbolt of assistance so I put him in touch with the Southland club as they would have to run it. Never heard any more.....

Once upon a time several clubs ran flying 1/4 mile events regularly. It's become so hard to do now and speeds so high that no one is prepared to do it now.

I'm definitely not some rich bugga so if anythings gunna slow me down its cash. Sponsors and backing from someone whose keen to see it done would help. 307.447 kph is what I've heard is this official?

[nodrog]

Ask Paul Heard

[BMW S1000RR]

Ashburton Car Club hold their Standing & Flying 1/4 mile sprints annually :yes:

Chertsey Singletree Rd (the place where Flying Kiwi should have run instead of the goat track they ran on :pinch:) billiard-table smooth & perfect for high speed runs :yes: :innocent:

5th December this year (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ashburtoncarclub.org.nz%2Fcms %2Fupcoming-events%2F12-chertsey-standing-flying-mile-sprints%2Fevent_details&ei=yKxXVZjDOOGumAWD0YGACQ&usg=AFQjCNHruG8Zh3AS5uxNBwlvAXpndDs6SA&bvm=bv.93564037,d.dGY)
Chertsey as in just south of christchurch? Cheers for that much appreciated ill cruise down for a nose and ask around see if anyone can help with hurdles and see if this dreamer can have a crack!

[T.W.R]

Chertsey as in just south of christchurch? Cheers for that much appreciated ill cruise down for a nose and ask around see if anyone can help with hurdles and see if this dreamer can have a crack!

8kms south of Rakaia..... about 35-40mins from Hornby :yes:

There's a video or two buried here on KB of a race prepped ZX10R giving it a nudge on the road a few years back (under controlled conditions :whistle:)

[Drew]

The most impressive current record, has gotta be the 250cc one.

All the rest are surprisingly low...except maybe the 50cc. 80mph is fair hauling.

[pritch]

A thorough check of the record books could be interesting. Years ago Bob Coleman apparently wanted to get his name in the record books probably for both personal and commercial publicity reasons. He found an ancient 1 mile grass track record and went and broke that. From memory he used an AJS scrambler on a horse racing track.

If that record still stands a modern big bore Moto X bike with more power and vastly better suspension should be able to break that record. Though it's likely getting all the necessary approvals would be harder than breaking the record.

[Grumph]

A thorough check of the record books could be interesting. Years ago Bob Coleman apparently wanted to get his name in the record books probably for both personal and commercial publicity reasons. He found an ancient 1 mile grass track record and went and broke that. From memory he used an AJS scrambler on a horse racing track.

If that record still stands a modern big bore Moto X bike with more power and vastly better suspension should be able to break that record. Though it's likely getting all the necessary approvals would be harder than breaking the record.

I saw that. The old New Brighton racecourse which became QE2 stadium - now munted of course...From memory, a G85 scrambler with a G50 motor fitted. Not an easy ride either. Bloody brave in fact. I think he broke his grandad's record. Seriously I doubt if a big bore modern motoX bike would do it, the power characteristics wouldn't be very suitable for the mile. The G50 donk was on alky I think too, so not short of HP....

[speedpro]

The most impressive current record, has gotta be the 250cc one.

All the rest are surprisingly low...except maybe the 50cc. 80mph is fair hauling.

The 50cc record belongs to Pete Sale on his Suzuki GT50 bucket racer. Probably that bike is owned by the Griffiths now.
just pointing it out as Drew has been a bit critical of bucket racers.

[Drew]

The 50cc record belongs to Pete Sale on his Suzuki GT50 bucket racer. Probably that bike is owned by the Griffiths now.
just pointing it out as Drew has been a bit critical of bucket racers.

I had assumed it was a bucket.

I am critical of bucket racers, the bikes are choice.

[speedpro]

But we wear such cool t-shirts.

Too old now and the bike isn't going any more but I would have loved to give it a go. I even got a 16T front sprocket to gear it 16:27. Pretty sure it would have pulled it given how it hauled with 15:27 at Puke.

[mr bucketracer]

The 50cc record belongs to Pete Sale on his Suzuki GT50 bucket racer. Probably that bike is owned by the Griffiths now.
just pointing it out as Drew has been a bit critical of bucket racers.does someone want to buy it (-:

[Kickaha]

I am critical of bucket racers
They're just as big a pack of dicks as Sidecar riders

[Drew]

They're just as big a pack of dicks as Sidecar riders

I find this hard to believe.

[F5 Dave]

I considered the 50cc one some while back with some mods but dawned on me that the bucket rules allows for oversizes but the record won't and I wasn't going to do a new slightly smaller barrel (shaddup) just for the go.

[Grumph]

I considered the 50cc one some while back with some mods but dawned on me that the bucket rules allows for oversizes but the record won't and I wasn't going to do a new slightly smaller barrel (shaddup) just for the go.

Good point which teased my memory again...many years back now, I remember asking why we didn't have a set of records reflecting the then current classes in NZ roadracing - F1. F2 F3 etc. Obviously it would be framed differently now. I was told at the time "put in a remit and we'll look at it".
Still a valid point as records reflecting what is being raced could be (a) more attractive targets and (b) somewhat more relevant.

[Racing Dave]

Phil Garrett's having another crack at the NZ record near Ashburton on the bike that he rode at Bonneville a few years ago.

It's easy for some to say that the record is 'only' 307 km/h, but none of those saying that have broken it. It might be money and mouth time, I reckon...

[Grumph]

Do you know which club the permit's through ?

Is it going to be an open records attempt meeting or private for Phil ?

[sidecar bob]

Phil Garrett's having another crack at the NZ record near Ashburton on the bike that he rode at Bonneville a few years ago.

It's easy for some to say that the record is 'only' 307 km/h, but none of those saying that have broken it. It might be money and mouth time, I reckon...

He should probably wait until the gentleman with the H2r has had a crack. It might save him a lot of wasted effort.

[Kickaha]

Do you know which club the permit's through ?

Is it going to be an open records attempt meeting or private for Phil ?

There's an invite for a few bikes, contact Phil for details, I think it's a flying quarter

[jellywrestler]

He should probably wait until the gentleman with the H2r has had a crack. It might save him a lot of wasted effort.

nah i'd get in before, then at least he's had a shot. my old man set a world record in the sixties, it was certified here and sent off to england, by the time the letter got there the record was bettered so they didn't log it, he set it, it should've been logged.
only found that out at his funeral, but at least he knew it.
besides if gurret gets it he can stop calling himself south island sidecar champion and blurt something else.

[T.W.R]

Do you know which club the permit's through ?

Is it going to be an open records attempt meeting or private for Phil ?

There's the annual standing & flying quarters on in a couple of weeks.....combined event between Ashburton car club & Ashburton motorcycle club on the designated road.
He'll be working in conjunction with them, least he'll get the proper road this time not the corrugated POS he ran on the last time....still remember talking to him on the phone over that....
BP @ Honda Country is the 1st point of contact for info on the upcoming sprints and will most likely know whats the state of play for March.

BTW: Rodger Freeth's MacIntosh is on show at Honda Country at present too

[jellywrestler]

BTW: Rodger Freeth's MacIntosh is on show at Honda Country at present too

MacIntosh is a brand of gumboot, what's so good about Freeths footwear?

[T.W.R]

MacIntosh is a brand of gumboot, what's so good about Freeths footwear?

There's a few descriptive words that start with the letter A that could be put to use :motu:

[jellywrestler]

There's a few descriptive words that start with the letter A that could be put to use :motu:

good then, you could use the surplus A from your poor spelling to start them then.
at least you one of the few people who put a D in Rodger....

[onearmedbandit]

good then, you could use the surplus A from your poor spelling to start them then.
at least you one of the few people who put a D in Rodger....

Those in glass houses...

[Drew]

Those in glass houses...

Shouldn't masturbate in the shower.

[T.W.R]

good then, you could use the surplus A from your poor spelling to start them then.
at least you one of the few people who put a D in Rodger....

:facepalm: you aren't too quick are you :facepalm: sad

[jellywrestler]

Those in glass houses...

should have sex in the basement..

if no-one points out the spelling or Rodger Freeth or McIntosh correctly then it just goes on, even this year the post classic ass had a Freeth theme to their meeting, and despite it being pointed out to several people quietly early on a number of times in the programme the spelling was wrong.
they say the squeaky wheel gets oil.

[Hemi Makutu]

The most impressive current record, has gotta be the 250cc one.

All the rest are surprisingly low...except maybe the 50cc. 80mph is fair hauling.

Fastest 250 G.P. bike - speed trapped in race spec, on a circuit - was an Aprilia, it was clocked in Estoril `09, @ ~185 mph..

[Hemi Makutu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVPeeSdrsTA

[dangerous]

BTW: Rodger Freeth's MacIntosh is on show at Honda Country at present too

is that the 1135...?
if not then I seen him on the sydnham (fuck hope I spelt that right dont wana end up with jelly on me face) track in the 80's or was that a dream?

[jellywrestler]

is that the 1135...?
if not then I seen him on the sydnham (fuck hope I spelt that right dont wana end up with jelly on me face) track in the 80's or was that a dream?

no it's the first one Keith Turner GS1000 machine, he was the yoshimura agent for nz. Hiscock rode it first then Freeth. handlebar fairing or 1/4 fairing as some called it was as much as it got.

[T.W.R]

is that the 1135...?
if not then I seen him on the sydnham (fuck hope I spelt that right dont wana end up with jelly on me face) track in the 80's or was that a dream?

I'll be in there tomorrow so will call in & have a good look.

[Grumph]

is that the 1135...?
if not then I seen him on the sydnham (fuck hope I spelt that right dont wana end up with jelly on me face) track in the 80's or was that a dream?

I suspect you'd have to be a lot prettier before you had jelly on your face....
It's spelt "Lower Cashmere" (ChCh joke, sorry)

Don't kmow what Rodger rode at that GP, I wasn't at that one, but Kirb had a pic of the first corner with two Roberts bikes leading. I think Holden on the plastic and someone else on the alloy version.

[jellywrestler]

I suspect you'd have to be a lot prettier before you had jelly on your face....
It's spelt "Lower Cashmere" (ChCh joke, sorry)

Don't know what Rodger rode at that GP, I wasn't at that one, but Kirb had a pic of the first corner with two Roberts bikes leading. I think Holden on the plastic and someone else on the alloy version.

I think Robert crashed the Plastic Bike at Sydenham races, or was it just before and broke his leg. At his funeral they said he asked his mum if he could race again and she was ok with it once he'd got his cast off, some time later she found it in the back shed, he'd cut it off himself....

[Kickaha]

Don't kmow what Rodger rode at that GP, I wasn't at that one, but Kirb had a pic of the first corner with two Roberts bikes leading. I think Holden on the plastic and someone else on the alloy version.

Rodger wasn't entered, at least he's not in the program and I don't remember the bike being there

Holden was entered on a GSX1100 EF for senior proddy and it just says Suzuki 1000 for F1

Holden did crash at the Sydenham race although I think it was practice and broke his leg, I think the track layout was changed as a result

[jellywrestler]

Rodger wasn't entered, at least he's not in the program and I don't remember the bike being there

Holden was entered on a GSX1100 EF for senior proddy and it just says Suzuki 1000 for F1

Holden did crash at the Sydenham race although I think it was practice and broke his leg, I think the track layout was changed as a result

so who else was in F1, that was PF timing.... i'm getting a tilt in my kilt about this.

[Grumph]

so who else was in F1, that was PF timing.... i'm getting a tilt in my kilt about this.

Well the reason Kirb had the pic on his office wall was that he was in third place on an 1135 at that point. The gear linkage on his bike was plainly visible as having fallen off the engine...He finished either 3rd or 4th stuck in I think 2nd gear. It was a very short circuit....

[Kickaha]

so who else was in F1, that was PF timing.... i'm getting a tilt in my kilt about this.
These guys...

326426

[jellywrestler]

kevin maxwell was riding the alloy bike and carey larkin the mcintosh hiscock used to own, the aerofast bike

[roogazza]

These guys...

326426

Trev Kirby in there, Ágent Orange', if ya see him ,say gidday for me .
Is he retired like the rest of us ? :rolleyes:

[Grumph]

Trev Kirby in there, Ágent Orange', if ya see him ,say gidday for me .
Is he retired like the rest of us ? :rolleyes:

Yes - and more ornery than ever. Last saw him a couple of weeks ago. Doesn't really follow the bikes now, more cars.
Not on line either...as you'd expect, LOL.

[T.W.R]

is that the 1135...?



I'll be in there tomorrow so will call in & have a good look.

Dropped into HC whilst in ashvagas to give it a checkover & get a couple of pics....but its already making its way home to its owner in Waihi ; was down for a dyno tune.

[Kickaha]

Trev Kirby in there, Ágent Orange', if ya see him ,say gidday for me .
Is he retired like the rest of us ? :rolleyes:

Retired and doing a bit of adventure bike riding last time I saw him

[scott411]

its now 336km/h, Shane Dixon and his Turbo Hayabusa got it done,

this is the Landspeed New Zealand Association record, its not anything to do with MNZ

http://www.landspeed.org.nz/results/8th-april-2018-goudies-road-reporoa/

[sidecar bob]

its now 336km/h, Shane Dixon and his Turbo Hayabusa got it done,

this is the Landspeed New Zealand Association record, its not anything to do with MNZ

http://www.landspeed.org.nz/results/8th-april-2018-goudies-road-reporoa/

How hard is that going to be to beat with a "production" Kawasaki?;)

[scott411]

How hard is that going to be to beat with a "production" Kawasaki?;)

we were a little behind this year, and down on what we thought we would be, but will find some more out of it, the Turbo Busa's were good and we knew they would be, i need to get a bit better riding it (i had not ridden the bike i 14 months, or got it out of 2nd gear in 18 months) , and we will get some more HP out of it, so next year we hope to be in front,

it was a very cool day, wiht most people setting personal best times,

[scott411]

its now 340.5 km/h over a each way combined pass, we bet Shanes time this year,
one of the H2R's did a 351 kmh pass but did not come back quick enough to claim the record,

(this is the Landspeed NZ record) not the MNZ one,