Social conditioning

[Number One]

I've got the flu, Sully60 is having his nightime sleep and I'm on here killing the time while the TV goes in the background.

Oprah was talking earlier about terrible and depressing stuff (as per usual :rolleyes:) and as 'only I can' :lol: my special filter was switched on so most of it flowed over me but...as I was 'not paying attention' something did pop into my head :blip: - no not that....oh well actually ok why not! :niceone: AND anyway something else got me thinking.

We have played around the edges of it all a bit I think. I remember the fun of the thread about the article about how 'NZ women aren't considered ladies' - ooooo that takes me back :rofl: ANd we have all the threads about how hard it is being male and how the media is on a crusade to make us all afraid of you middle class whiteys and well actually, no all of you boys and men out there! (seriously I do think it is a worry - I have a boy afterall)

Social Conditioning is dangerous...OR is it?

In the programme they were talking about womens intuition in relation to being attacked and how recognising, trusting it, harnessing it and going with it is critical for staying alive or even at times preventing any attack from even taking place. I find a swift kick to their groin and running my arse off while screaming loudly is a good fallback too

Then they went and talked about how, when you 'harness' your 'power' (not religous btw) it is recognizable to the attacker and they know you are going to give them a damn good fight so some will actually just vote with their feet.

Anyway I don't really wanna go on about violent attacks..too close to the bone for many of us here WHAT is of interest to me is how strongly do you feel social conditioning effects your thoughts and reactions?

Me? I have in the past made decisions that provided opportunity for me to be in harms way....despite that hair standing up on the back of the neck feeling..the one that told me I should really do something else..but stupidly I felt the overwhelming 'responsibility' almost to be polite! :puke:

Burp, Fart...fuck that!!! I'm well over it now :lol:

[oldrider]

Like Mrs Marsh's chalk, it does get in, eventually. :buggerd: John.

[Number One]

Thankyou C4 :lol:

[scumdog]

I've got the flu, Anyway I don't really wanna go on about violent attacks..too close to the bone for many of us here WHAT is of interest to me is how strongly do you feel social conditioning effects your thoughts and reactions?


Burp, Fart...fuck that!!! I'm well over it now :lol:

Hmm the last line kinda summed up the post....:jerry:


But social conditioning rules our lives - the reason why we DON'T do a lot of shit is fear of the reaction of our peers.

Try being a male who has tassles on his jacket and bike fr'instance, :Punk:you gotta be impervious to the 'social conditioning' regarding tassles otherwise you wouldn't have them.

[Patch]

Its not what but how we're drinking.








If you believe the goobermint induced hypo adverts. The conditioning is everywhere, all starts with our parents . . .

[Number One]

Hmm the last line kinda summed up the post....:jerry:


But social conditioning rules our lives - the reason why we DON'T do a lot of shit is fear of the reaction of our peers.

Try being a male who has tassles on his jacket and bike fr'instance, :Punk:you gotta be impervious to the 'social conditioning' regarding tassles otherwise you wouldn't have them.


:lol: I have been drinking :lol:

AND You have tassles?! :jerry:

No seriously though - rules our lives? Should it really? If it should WHEN should it? As for worrying about our peers reactions...not all our peers are worth worrying about SO WHY DO WE?

[Number One]

If you believe the goobermint induced hypo adverts. The conditioning is everywhere, all starts with our parents . . .
Real fear machine out there running overtime huh?!

[ManDownUnder]

Social conditioning is HUGE. Just watch any married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting him, vs his behaviour at home with his religeous wife and their kids. His behaviour will be totally modified by the expectations of the audience.

Or those that start off the ATNR saying "no no - I'm not going to speed this time..."

Same is true for most people. Interestingly - those that are less prone to it's effects tend to be admired by those that (usually unconsciously) know they are more affected by it.

[Number One]

Social conditioning is HUGE. Just watch any married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting him
Yeah sure all those topless women wanted ya :rolleyes: :lol:

[Skunk]

No seriously though - rules our lives? Should it really? If it should WHEN should it? As for worrying about our peers reactions...not all our peers are worth worrying about SO WHY DO WE?Natural instinct. All animals that are in societies behave in a way that conforms with their peers.

Otherwise they are loners. Simple.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah sure all those topless women wanted ya :rolleyes: :lol:

Yup - but only after I'd proven the clap was all cleared up

[Number One]

Yup - but only after I'd proven the clap was all cleared up
:lol:

I am sooo bored AND the COdrol is not helping me to be clear about what I'm trying to ask either....:laugh:

[Number One]

behaviour will be totally modified by the expectations of the audience.

I think through my foggyheadedness that this is the key point in your post there for what I'm trying to say...why when the audience should really hold no sway do we still respond in ways that we know instinctively we shouldn't. SOcial conditioning has to be dangerous if it overrides your own instintive reactions to a situation. How do you for instance teach kids to fit in but NOT GET SUCKED IN...peer pressure is a right bitch, girlfriends boys is really suffering with this at the mo but adults are weak to it to.

[ManDownUnder]

I think through my foggyheadedness that this is the key point in your post there for what I'm trying to say...why when the audience should really hold no sway do we still respond in ways that we know instinctively we shouldn't. SOcial conditioning has to be dangerous if it overrides your own instintive reactions to a situation. How do you for instance teach kids to fit in but NOT GET SUCKED IN...peer pressure is a right bitch, girlfriends boys is really suffering with this at the mo but adults are weak to it to.

A ha ha haaaaa!!!!!!

Yup - tis a fine line to maintain one's individual self, and still conform to be part of society. To be anti social is a bad thing by the standards of most. The question is really where each of us draws that line.

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others (which in turn raises the question of why we need the accpetance of others - but that's a biological thing - some animals are social or pack animals, and some are not).

Challenge your kids - make them think for themselves and let them know when they should be proud of themselves (i.e. don't rely on the praise of others - rely on their own praise!). That way they'll always be accepted. After that - if "others" accept them or not becomes less of an issue... and they become less prone to peer pressures.

[CookMySock]

married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting himURL ? :whistle:

I have a finely tuned bullshit detector - can smell the stench of spin a mile off. I find "persuasion" an interesting topic - there is always someone who wants me to think differently - not that I am against this, I just want to be aware of it and decide for myself I will fully subscribe to that way of thinking or not.

Yes, everyone wants you for your mind.. Ironic innit?

DB

[Number One]

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others

that's the question...how much should we?

[ManDownUnder]

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others

that's the question...how much should we?

Stoop low enough to do something you can't sleep with then straighten up a bit...?

[jrandom]

I still haven't quite figured out what this thread is actually about.

[Number One]

I still haven't quite figured out what this thread is actually about.
Oh good when you do let me know too :lol:

[skelstar]

Seems somewhat ironic to ask about people's opinions about Social Conditioning, on KB... just not sure why.

[Number One]

A ha ha haaaaa!!!!!!

Yup - tis a fine line to maintain one's individual self, and still conform to be part of society. To be anti social is a bad thing by the standards of most. The question is really where each of us draws that line.

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others (which in turn raises the question of why we need the accpetance of others - but that's a biological thing - some animals are social or pack animals, and some are not).

Challenge your kids - make them think for themselves and let them know when they should be proud of themselves (i.e. don't rely on the praise of others - rely on their own praise!). That way they'll always be accepted. After that - if "others" accept them or not becomes less of an issue... and they become less prone to peer pressures.

MDU = http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/yoda.jpeg

I musn't be a pack animal as I find myself bucking expectations in certain societies - OMG like WORK!

Loved the suggestion to just behave badly enough to turn all the people I don't don't really like off...that's easy I can definitely do that (some more) :lol:

[Big Dave]

I still haven't quite figured out what this thread is actually about.

You know how you dribble when you hear a bell ring. Start there.

[ManDownUnder]

Seems somewhat ironic to ask about people's opinions about Social Conditioning, on KB... just not sure why.

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[Number One]

Seems somewhat ironic to ask about people's opinions about Social Conditioning, on KB... just not sure why.
Indeed I see all kinds of opposing views about what is acceptable on here too! AND there is a huge amount of joy in not feeling quite so bound by 'the rules' of navigating society and people at large

[Number One]

You know how you dribble when you hear a bell ring. Start there.
but you are still here?

EDIT: Penny dropped :lol: You calling Mr Random a dog?

[ManDownUnder]

but you are still here?

No that existentialism - a whole other topic.

[jrandom]

You know how you dribble when you hear a bell ring.

I dribble all the time, man.

[scumdog]

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others

that's the question...how much should we?

Hard to say, at times we are not aware we have been 'conditioned'.

I never consciously 'give-up' anything to be accepted.

[Number One]

No that existentialism - a whole other topic.
Oh gawd nO! The Codrol is wearing off time for another dose NOT really up for that chat tonight :lol:

[ManDownUnder]

Oh gawd nO! The Codrol is wearing off time for another dose NOT really up for that chat tonight :lol:

It's ok - I have the birds and bees aaalllll worked out.

[Number One]

Hard to say, at times we are not aware we have been 'conditioned'.

I never consciously 'give-up' anything to be accepted.
That's it!

How to override conditioning, especially in situations where you are not even aware that it's 'just conditioning' urging you to make a certain choice or decision.

[ManDownUnder]

That's it!

How to override conditioning, especially in situations where you are not even aware that it's 'just conditioning' urging you to make a certain choice or decision.

So the ability to resist conditioning is... conditional? I think I need a lie down.

[Number One]

So the ability to resist conditioning is... conditional? I think I need a lie down.
Indeed - the force is strong with you. The answers are inside....:lol:

[Trudes]

I'm me, if you don't like who I am then that's your problem, not mine.

Basically, I live my life the way I want, generally I do what I want to, and providing my choices and actions are not having a negative impact on someone else's life, then it's all good (well, you know, to a degree, the truly analytical could come and argue that by my riding my 2 stroke bucket around and around for an hour is hurting us all by its polluting emitions.... blah blah blah).
But I think I know what you're on about,... how much should you change your inner-self to conform with what society thinks you should act or think like, and this in turn effects what people think of you and hence how you get treated?? (Is that what this is about??)
Well, like we were discussing not long ago #1, I actually prefer to spend time on my own and would be happy to be just left alone, however I have to work and there I have to be happy cheerful Mrs Kendog who cares about everyone and their little dramas. I believe also that I'm perceived by most people completely differently than I think I really am, and only those closest to me actually really know who and what I am really like. I often get asked what's wrong with me or people think I'm moody, however, that day I may have just chosen to not bother putting on the show and they saw the real me.... again, if you don't like it, bugger off!!
:lol:, fuck, that was deep!!!
As you all were folks (Wrote an assignment today, still in ramble mode!)

[CookMySock]

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others - that's the question...how much should we?Oh none at all. Keep in front of you what and who you really want at all times. Never lose focus on these. You already know who these people are and what things are in this category.


... there is a huge amount of joy in not feeling quite so bound by 'the rules' of navigating society and people at largewell you touch on all sorts of possibilities there.. Some things are just so yummy.. we know we want to.. don't we.. :msn-wink: How to balance that house of cards is the problem, then.

DB

[scumdog]

Oh none at all. Keep in front of you what and who you really want at all times. Never lose focus on these. You already know who these people are and what things are in this category.
DB

That's the problem - do we REALLY always notice when we've been 'socially conditioned'???

And then counter it?

[Number One]

That's the problem - do we REALLY always notice when we've been 'socially conditioned'???

And then counter it?
Exactly! This is one of the points I'm querying SO TO what MRS K said but to a much lesser extent.

So if we don't know we are conditioned then how can we ensure we are reacting in ways that are about what is important or right for us VERSUS the reaction that comes from our conditioning....

[mstriumph]

social conditioning??? ............does msclairol make that?

seriously - there are things i wouldn't do in public - but that's about the limit of mine ;)


and NOT because i'm conditioned not to - but because it would be too draughty!!

[1 Free Man]

Social conditioning is HUGE. Just watch any married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting him
????Where, pray tell, where does one find this room full of topless women.????

[Oakie]

????Where, pray tell, where does one find this room full of topless women.????

My lounge last time we played stip poker with Mrs Oakie's sister and her hubby. Well ok so it wasn't exactly full ...

[jrandom]

That's the problem - do we REALLY always notice when we've been 'socially conditioned'???

And then counter it?

I'd comment that much of what might be called 'social conditioning' is in fact social skills.

[mstriumph]

????Where, pray tell, where does one find this room full of topless women.???? in his fevered imagination ... :yawn:

[Number One]

I'd comment that much of what might be called 'social conditioning' is in fact social skills.
What I'm talking about is where the conditioning/social expectations or excepted norms call for or urge you to respond/react/behave in a way that (while may be considered the 'socially acceptable’ or high EQ way) contradicts your own compass and instincts.

Here's a thought: "Belief systems are more powerful than truth and always lead to long-sustained ignorance and waste" Isn't social conditioning just another belief system. What we should all be and do etc etc...Because it's taught and believed to be the right way

[jrandom]

in his fevered imagination ... :yawn:

Anything can be had for the right price.

[Bren]

social conditioning says I should not have a mullet, but I have a baby mullet....fuck social conditioning...

[Number One]

social conditioning says I should not have a mullet, but I have a baby mullet....fuck social conditioning...
Ahhhhh but would you dare to do a Joe Dirt mullet if you wanted to?! :lol:

[jrandom]

What I'm talking about is where the conditioning/social expectations or excepted norms call for or urge you to respond/react/behave in a way that (while may be considered the 'socially acceptable’ or high EQ way) contradicts your own compass and instincts.

So, um.

Is this all about being offensive when you can't be arsed tiptoeing around people?

I can do that.

Edit: Hey, why don't you put a picture of yourself in your profile for a change?

[scumdog]

Ahhhhh but would you dare to do a Joe Dirt mullet if you wanted to?! :lol:

I do a 'porn' moustache and don't give a fat rats arse.

Oooh, what a rebel eh???

[Bren]

Ahhhhh but would you dare to do a Joe Dirt mullet if you wanted to?! :lol:

maybe not that extreme....but a Billy Ray Cyrus one....maybe!

[Number One]

So, um.

Is this all about being offensive when you can't be arsed tiptoeing around people?

:lol: hell no I have no problem with that! Fark mastered that one long ago :lol:

Think along the lines of when you consciously choose to behave or react in a way that is not in your best interests.

For example - and I want a better example than this but I'm struggling at the moment between bloody snotty sneezing fits!

When working at a small burger joint as a Polytech student I was prepping salads at the start of the shift, on my own. Guy came to the door (big glass windows) knocked on it and professed to be there to check the extractor system. Now being a stroppy and untrusting kinda person I asked him to show me ID and as he couldn't produce any I then explained that I would ring the store manager to confirm that this visit was 'authorised' at which point the guy turned on his heal and never came back.

Now my instinct was telling me, this doesn't add up, I am on my own and no no no, however he got really toey with me (before leaving) and ranted about just trying to do his job, how I should just open the door so we could discuss it and there was this nagging part of me that felt quite rude about not opening the door and only talking to him through the glass.

Now a younger and less stroppy girl may have let the guy in....despite that feeling of hang on this could be dodgy and I am at risk here...do ya get me now?!

[Number One]

Edit: Hey, why don't you put a picture of yourself in your profile for a change?

Why don't you put a picture of yourself in yours? :bleh:

My friends know what I look like :lol: Poor bastards

[avgas]

It really depends on if it is Timotei or VO5.
none of that cheap stuff

[Number One]

I do a 'porn' moustache and don't give a fat rats arse.

Oooh, what a rebel eh???
Pornstache is kewl! :niceone: So is the trucker...my mans hotness factor went through the roof when he was sporting his

[chanceyy]

I'm me, if you don't like who I am then that's your problem, not mine.

Basically, I live my life the way I want, generally I do what I want to, and providing my choices and actions are not having a negative impact on someone else's life, then it's all good (well, you know, to a degree, the truly analytical could come and argue that by my riding my 2 stroke bucket around and around for an hour is hurting us all by its polluting emitions.... blah blah blah).
But I think I know what you're on about,... how much should you change your inner-self to conform with what society thinks you should act or think like, and this in turn effects what people think of you and hence how you get treated?? (Is that what this is about??)
Well, like we were discussing not long ago #1, I actually prefer to spend time on my own and would be happy to be just left alone, however I have to work and there I have to be happy cheerful Mrs Kendog who cares about everyone and their little dramas. I believe also that I'm perceived by most people completely differently than I think I really am, and only those closest to me actually really know who and what I am really like. I often get asked what's wrong with me or people think I'm moody, however, that day I may have just chosen to not bother putting on the show and they saw the real me.... again, if you don't like it, bugger off!!
:lol:, fuck, that was deep!!!
As you all were folks (Wrote an assignment today, still in ramble mode!)

hmm must say I am with you there Mrs KD .. never been a sheep and prefer it that way.

[jrandom]

Why don't you put a picture of yourself in yours?

I've had plenty of pictures of me in mine. Got a picture of my bike in there at the moment, which is a lot prettier and more interesting to the general audience.


My friends know what I look like

And by implication, I am not your friend?

Fair call.

[Ocean1]

How to override conditioning, especially in situations where you are not even aware that it's 'just conditioning' urging you to make a certain choice or decision.

Grow up.

Children can’t discriminate between internal and external behavioural pressures. They don't know which behaviours produce positive long term returns yet either.

An adult recognises that some behaviours are consistent with a persona they can respect. That’s not to say they necessarily construct a persona against which they can measure their performance, just that they are sufficiently self actualised to recognise external influences for what they are and remain internally consistent.

You don’t meet many adults on any given day.

[Gubb]

Agree with jrandom on social engineering being pretty much social skills.

I'm fairly straight forward, call a spade a spade. Sometimes it gets me into trouble for being honest, other times it's the only way to go.

A lot of the time it seems socially unacceptable to tell the truth either.

And why isn't it OK to Burp and Fart in hilarious places, like elevators? It's a perfectly normal function. It's Social Engineering gone mad I tells ya!

[Number One]

I've had plenty of pictures of me in mine. Got a picture of my bike in there at the moment, which is a lot prettier and more interesting to the general audience.



And by implication, I am not your friend?

Fair call.
I do not see you on that select list in my profile no :lol: AND yeah my boys and Pammy are must prettier and more interesting to the general audience than a pic of my ugly mug :rolleyes:

[jrandom]

my boys and Pammy are must prettier and more interesting to the general audience than a pic of my ugly mug :rolleyes:

I don't wanna see your ugly mug. Just your tits under leathers would do. Str8 Jacket has the right idea.

[Number One]

An adult recognises that some behaviours are consistent with a persona they can respect. That’s not to say they necessarily construct a persona against which they can measure their performance, just that they are sufficiently self actualised to recognise external influences for what they are and remain internally consistent.

You don’t meet many adults on any given day.

You sir get the 2nd Yoda Award for the day :sunny:

http://ccn1.net/POTD4/yoda-pictures/yoda-closeup.jpg

[Number One]

I don't wanna see your ugly mug. Just your tits under leathers would do. Str8 Jacket has the right idea.

:lol: you really are a charmer :rolleyes: There are enough titty shots on my profile under the album 'Girlssssss' I can assure you there is nothing in there that doesn't make me poor girls embarrassed :lol:

OR if it's tits ya want...google is your friend

[Winston001]

.........

Anyway I don't really wanna go on about violent attacks..too close to the bone for many of us here WHAT is of interest to me is how strongly do you feel social conditioning "effects" your thoughts and reactions?
:lol:

Oh dear, no wonder this thread has lost focus.

"Affects" Number One is the word you are looking for. :D

Effect is a verb, a doing word. Affect is descriptive, meaning the result of some action, a consequence. That's what you are asking - good question too.

Forgive the pedantry, as you were.....

[Winston001]

It really depends on if it is Timotei or VO5.
none of that cheap stuff

Plllllluuuuubbbbbb - rubbish. Pantene is the business, justr ask the lovely Rachel Hunter!

[Number One]

Oh dear, no wonder this thread has lost focus.

"Affects" Number One is the word you are looking for. :D

Effect is a verb, a doing word. Affect is descriptive, meaning the result of some action, a consequence. That's what you are asking - good question too.

Forgive the pedantry, as you were.....
:lol: I always get those too mixed up two :lol:

Oh yeah and re read your post above this one :lol: it won't happen overnight ;)

[jrandom]

:lol: you really are a charmer :rolleyes:

When I have to be.


There are enough titty shots on my profile under the album 'Girlssssss'...

I know what tits look like.

My point is, I don't really get folk putting random internet-sourced photographs up in their profile.

It's meant to be personal. Say something about you.

Is 'random internet-sourced photographs' what you want to say about you?

[Number One]

Is 'random internet-sourced photographs' what you want to say about you?

Yeah...pretty much! AND NO they are not random - usually there is a rather stable theme...one that suggests I'm a total purve who prefers to gaze upon man meat :rofl:

Anyway what about you...mr circle of whatever that is in your avatar...what's that say? Is it a life sized representation of your....:lol:

For a limited time you'll find a pic of me in my profile picture, but it won't last as I prefer to gaze upon boys NOT myself :shutup:

[jrandom]

purve

Don't you mean 'perve'? Short for 'perverted'? Dunno where you get that 'u' from.


mr circle of whatever that is in your avatar...what's that say?

It says whatever you think it should say (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enso).


For a limited time you'll find a pic of me in my profile picture, but it won't last as I prefer to gaze upon boys NOT myself :shutup:

I'm assuming you're not that disturbingly mannish chick squirting a hose down her togs.

[Number One]

Don't you mean 'perve'? Short for 'perverted'? Dunno where you get that 'u' from.

My spelling is intentional - note the u in it in my user title also - think pussycat....purrrrrrrrrrr I'm Purrrrrvvvy AND I LIKE IT!



It says whatever you think it should say (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enso).

Enjoyed reading that. Buddhism is the only religion that interests me actually. So do you see your posts as religious artwork?


I'm assuming you're not that disturbingly mannish chick squirting a hose down her togs.

Oh dear where did she come from? :lol:

Doesn't the fact that I am on a Biker forum say something about who I am? I'd assume it would be pretty farken easy to get to know me by reading my posts I am nothing if not terribly frank and pretty damn open on here - much to my detriment at times :bash: :whocares:

:lol: come on...be honest with me...you're just curious to confirm whether 007xx's taste in women is ok :blip:

[scumdog]

:lol: come on...be honest with me...you're just curious to confirm whether 007xx's taste in women is ok :blip:

Proof you're a woman would be enough...:msn-wink:

[Number One]

Proof you're a woman would be enough...:msn-wink:
Maybe I'm just someones alter ego.....

[scumdog]

Maybe I'm just someones alter ego.....


The mind boggles as to WHO'S alter ego!!:crazy:

[Winston001]

Yes yes, all good fun chaps and chapesses - but back to the topic because Number One is asking a question which has depth.

Social conditioning - we haven't defined it but it seems to be the influences and cues which we all absorb as we grow up. Fair enough?

And the question then is, when should we throw that conditioning aside? Is it of any benefit, why not all be 1%ers and ignore society's rules?

Two thoughts:

If we throw the conditioning aside, there will be no society - no-one you can trust, nobody you can rely on. So its pretty damned important.

Secondly, want to look at the world through the eyes of someone who doesn't "get" the conditioning? Its called Aspergers Syndrome.......


Not a comforting thought.

[jrandom]

So do you see your posts as religious artwork?

Of course.


be honest with me...you're just curious to confirm whether 007xx's taste in women is ok

If it's as good as her taste in men, it must be impeccable.

[Number One]

Social conditioning - we haven't defined it but it seems to be the influences and cues which we all absorb as we grow up. Fair enough?

And the question then is, when should we throw that conditioning aside? Is it of any benefit, why not all be 1%ers and ignore society's rules?

Two thoughts:

If we throw the conditioning aside, there will be no society - no-one you can trust, nobody you can rely on. So its pretty damned important.

Secondly, want to look at the world through the eyes of someone who doesn't "get" the conditioning? Its called Ashbergers Syndrome.......


Not a comforting thought.

YES :niceone:

3rd YODA award tonight goes to you SIR! You will receive one gift of hot girlness on your profile in good time :msn-wink:

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/yoda-400x300.jpg

BTW: it's Aspergers Syndrome

[Number One]

Of course.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128343688002656250hallelujahpra.jpg

[James Deuce]

I'm anti-social, pretty much trust only a few people, don't like group rides much, don't enjoy the politics that goes with "work", and have very little time for people who don't understand that at it's most basic level, their job is help someone else do theirs.

I find parties tedious and anxiety inducing and enjoy fantasies about finding new and entertaining ways to make people with imaginary friends that they can't keep to themselves disappear. Doesn't need to be sinister, just a permanent removal from my reality.

I abhor social constructs that are essentially propaganda factories peopled by poor, deluded folk who have failed to appreciate the irony in their situation.

I think my social programming did backflips 3 years ago tomorrow.

Before that I thought people were basically good. Now I know better.

[Number One]

I'm anti-social, pretty much trust only a few people, don't like group rides much, don't enjoy the politics that goes with "work", and have very little time for people who don't understand that at it's most basic level, their job is help someone else do theirs.

I find parties tedious and anxiety inducing and enjoy fantasies about finding new and entertaining ways to make people with imaginary friends that they can't keep to themselves disappear. Doesn't need to be sinister, just a permanent removal from my reality.

I abhor social constructs that are essentially propaganda factories peopled by poor, deluded folk who have failed to appreciate the irony in their situation.

I think my social programming did backflips 3 years ago tomorrow.

Before that I thought people were basically good. Now I know better.
Another YODA awardee.

I concur on many fronts and I thank you for your honesty and tidy articulation. Sadly the point which resonates with me currently is the final one - I do live in hope though and have met quite a few that I am sure ARE GOOD :sunny:

It's also nice to know that my own anti-social ways are not so abnormal.

Won't PrOn your page cos I figure you won't like it and will only delete it anyway.

[Pussy]

I'm anti-social, pretty much trust only a few people, don't like group rides much, don't enjoy the politics that goes with "work", and have very little time for people who don't understand that at it's most basic level, their job is help someone else do theirs.

I find parties tedious and anxiety inducing and enjoy fantasies about finding new and entertaining ways to make people with imaginary friends that they can't keep to themselves disappear. Doesn't need to be sinister, just a permanent removal from my reality.

I abhor social constructs that are essentially propaganda factories peopled by poor, deluded folk who have failed to appreciate the irony in their situation.

I think my social programming did backflips 3 years ago tomorrow.

Before that I thought people were basically good. Now I know better.

Yeah, but you still fall in to my "good cunt" category Jim. So there!

[scumdog]

I'm anti-social, pretty much trust only a few people, don't like group rides much, don't enjoy the politics that goes with "work", and have very little time for people who don't understand that at it's most basic level, their job is help someone else do theirs.

I find parties tedious and anxiety inducing and enjoy fantasies about finding new and entertaining ways to make people with imaginary friends that they can't keep to themselves disappear. Doesn't need to be sinister, just a permanent removal from my reality.

I abhor social constructs that are essentially propaganda factories peopled by poor, deluded folk who have failed to appreciate the irony in their situation.

I think my social programming did backflips 3 years ago tomorrow.

Before that I thought people were basically good. Now I know better.

Fuck.

Me rabbit has a more exciting life.

In fact it at least has a life.

And it's dead and been stuffed for 12 years.

Us drunks are so perceptive.

And understanding.

[Number One]

Yeah, but you still fall in to my "good cunt" category Jim. So there!

Please don't say CUNT on my thread PUSSY :lol:

[Big Dave]

I'm anti-social, pretty much trust only a few people, don't like group rides much, don't enjoy the politics that goes with "work", and have very little time for people who don't understand that at it's most basic level, their job is help someone else do theirs.

I find parties tedious and anxiety inducing and enjoy fantasies about finding new and entertaining ways to make people with imaginary friends that they can't keep to themselves disappear. Doesn't need to be sinister, just a permanent removal from my reality.

I abhor social constructs that are essentially propaganda factories peopled by poor, deluded folk who have failed to appreciate the irony in their situation.

I think my social programming did backflips 3 years ago tomorrow.

Before that I thought people were basically good. Now I know better.


I can Juggle.

[peasea]

Please don't say CUNT on my thread PUSSY :lol:

What's a threadpussy?

[oldrider]

Yeah, but you still fall in to my "good cunt" category Jim. So there!

Hey Pussy, complete my education, is there such a thing as a "bad" cunt?

Then again if you mean "that" cunt, well that's an entirely different matter! :crazy: Words can mean many things to many people.

Mrs O/rider reckons I'm a "queer" cunt sometimes but I just think she doesn't really understand. :eek5: John.

[scumdog]

Mrs O/rider reckons I'm a "queer" cunt sometimes but I just think she doesn't really understand. :eek5: John.

It's part of being married to the right person John.

If they always thought you were ok where would the necessary mystery be??

[Pwalo]

It's all in your mind.

[Number One]

It's all in your mind.
You thought long and hard about that reply didn't ya :laugh:

[Number One]

What's a threadpussy?
The mind boggles but did you note the space? :lol:

[James Deuce]

Yeah, but you still fall in to my "good cunt" category Jim. So there!
That's easy for you to say!

[Pussy]

That's easy for you to say!

Correct! I'm a knee, or an ankle, or maybe even a bit lower than that. :D

[Ixion]

I can Juggle.

Can you? I always wanted to be able to do that. Can you do it with knives? How many at once?

[svr]

I'm anti-social, pretty much trust only a few people, don't like group rides much, don't enjoy the politics that goes with "work", and have very little time for people who don't understand that at it's most basic level, their job is help someone else do theirs.

I find parties tedious and anxiety inducing and enjoy fantasies about finding new and entertaining ways to make people with imaginary friends that they can't keep to themselves disappear. Doesn't need to be sinister, just a permanent removal from my reality.

I abhor social constructs that are essentially propaganda factories peopled by poor, deluded folk who have failed to appreciate the irony in their situation.

I think my social programming did backflips 3 years ago tomorrow.

Before that I thought people were basically good. Now I know better.

Thats pretty honest!
The `Outsider issue' is whether or not outsiders actually constitute a valid philosophical position: `authenticity'. If not, they just have psychological problems and can therefore be ignored / marginalised. The latter is the unchallenging mainstream treatment.

[mstriumph]

Anything can be had for the right price.

too cynical :confused:.... i don't DO cynical on tuesdays .....

[jrandom]

too cynical :confused:.... i don't DO cynical on tuesdays .....

I wasn't being cynical; I was just remembering what it actually cost.

:shutup:

[mstriumph]

I wasn't being cynical; I was just remembering what it actually cost.

:shutup: the cynicism? ..... or the tuesdays?

[jrandom]

the cynicism? ..... or the tuesdays?

Cynicism and Tuesdays have always been profitable for me.

No, I was speaking of the room full of topless women.

[James Deuce]

The outlook for Thursday?

[Str8 Jacket]

The outlook for Thursday?

Fucken shit mate.

[Kickaha]

The outlook for Thursday?

Your guess is good as mine

[Ocean1]

I'm anti-social

Stop giving yerself airs and graces dude.

You might aspire to asocial, but given that I've noticed the odd social beer I'd say you're not very good at it.

Reckon "good cunt" about covers it...

[mstriumph]

Stop giving yerself airs and graces dude.

You might aspire to asocial, but given that I've noticed the odd social beer I'd say you're not very good at it.

Reckon "good cunt" about covers it...

quite right too ---- i think he's LOVELY :yes:

[Number One]

:rolleyes: James can you please get a room for all your groupies :lol:

[Pussy]

AND, Number One, take note that LOTS of other people typed "cunt", not just me :bleh:

[Number One]

Yeah but they ain't called PUSSY :bleh: so it wouldn't have been as fun to tell them off for it.

[Big Dave]

the outlook for thursday?

otherwise fine...
Otherwise it's dandy...
Otherwise fine...
Otherwise it's over the top!

[Pussy]

Yeah but they ain't called PUSSY :bleh: so it wouldn't have been as fun to tell them off for it.
Fair enough.... one nil to Number One :p

[avgas]

otherwise fine...
Otherwise it's dandy...
Otherwise fine...
Otherwise it's over the top!

Keep that jazzersize away from me man....

[Number One]

OK a Summary - taken from various contributing posts.

Social Conditioning

Social conditioning = the influences and cues which we all absorb as we grow up. Excepted ways of being or what is generally considered normal, polite and appropriate.

Social conditioning rules our lives - the reason we DON'T do a lot of shit is fear of the reaction of our peers. So our behaviour will be totally modified by the expectations of the audience. Same is true for most people.

Do we REALLY always notice when we've been 'socially conditioned'??? And then how to counter it? IF we don't know we are conditioned then how can we ensure we are reacting in ways that are about what is important or right for us VERSUS the reaction that registers as a result of our conditioning....

At times we are not aware we have been 'conditioned' and so don’t consciously 'give-up' anything to be accepted.

It’s a fine line to maintain one's individual self, and still conform to be part of society. So how much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others. Never lose focus on what and who you really want.

Children can’t discriminate between internal and external behavioural pressures. They don't know which behaviours produce positive long term returns yet either. Challenge your kids - make them think for themselves and let them know when they should be proud of themselves (i.e. don't rely on the praise of others - rely on their own praise!). That way they'll always be accepted. After that - if "others" accept them or not becomes less of an issue... and they become less prone to peer pressures.

Adults recognise that some behaviours are consistent with a persona they can respect. That’s not to say they necessarily construct a persona against which they can measure their performance, just that they are sufficiently self actualised to recognise external influences for what they are and remain internally consistent.

So - When should we throw that conditioning aside?

Is it of any benefit, why not all be 1%ers and ignore society's rules?

Two thoughts:

If we throw the conditioning aside, there will be no society - no-one you can trust, nobody you can rely on. So its pretty damned important.

Secondly, want to look at the world through the eyes of someone who doesn't "get" the conditioning? It’s called Aspergers Syndrome.......Not a comforting thought.

[Big Dave]

Keep that jazzersize away from me man....

I have a compilation CD that lists them as an Aussie Band. Would you like to hire it?

[boomer]

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[scumdog]

I think women and cruiser riders should be banned from this site.



Its degrading for us men!



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Who voted YOU as a man???:whistle:

[boomer]

Who voted YOU as a man???:whistle:

you're only <del>gay</del> bitter cos you ride a cruiser.. fag boy..!!!


:dodge:

[Pwalo]

You thought long and hard about that reply didn't ya :laugh:

I'm not too sure I should even comment on that!

[Skyryder]

I don't like the term social conditioning because of it's political overtones. The word conjures up the type of society that a political party would try and create for it's contued acceptance by the society that it is attempting to control.

It's difficult to acheive in a democratic society, not impossible, but difficult due to the relitive short time frames of power by a political party.

Not so with dicatorships where the time frames are much longer.

There is however a cultural conditioning. It's why we don't eat cats or dogs or for that matter horse meat where as this is normal in some societies. There are heaps of areas where cultural conditioning becomes part of our values and how we look. We project ourselves to the type of culture that we want to be identified with and in doing so usually adhere to the values of the culture.

But cultures can evolve. Where once woman could 'not' vote now they can. There are numerous examples of cultural evolution but not all of it is for the better.


Skyryeder

[svr]

Social conditioning = the influences and cues which we all absorb as we grow up. Excepted ways of being or what is generally considered normal, polite and appropriate.

Thats an old-school `socialization' definiton whereby the individual internalizes social `norms' to enable 1. society to function and continue and 2. enable the individual to interact effectively. Basically a `functionalist' explanation of whats going on - pretty conservative.
As you can imagine there are a bunch of quite different theories as to why we think (and feel) the way we do.
What was fashionable 15 yrs ago (when I was studying) was to kung-fu the whole individual Vs society `tension' debate and say our whole existence / experience is just one big construction through language - even our little `resistances' are not really from any original or authentic viewpoint.

[Ocean1]

our whole existence / experience is just one big construction through language

Yes. I once had a sociologist tell me it wasn't possible to manipulate concepts without naming the relevant factors.

Utter bollox.

[svr]

I don't like the term social conditioning because of it's political overtones. The word conjures up the type of society that a political party would try and create for it's contued acceptance by the society that it is attempting to control.

It's difficult to acheive in a democratic society, not impossible, but difficult due to the relitive short time frames of power by a political party.

Not so with dicatorships where the time frames are much longer.

There is however a cultural conditioning. It's why we don't eat cats or dogs or for that matter horse meat where as this is normal in some societies. There are heaps of areas where cultural conditioning becomes part of our values and how we look. We project ourselves to the type of culture that we want to be identified with and in doing so usually adhere to the values of the culture.

But cultures can evolve. Where once woman could 'not' vote now they can. There are numerous examples of cultural evolution but not all of it is for the better.


Skyryeder

Its getting less plausible to use terms like `our culture', or `our society anymore'. Progressive cultural `evolution' is less of an issue than preserving cultural diversity in the face of intensifying cultural imperialism. Given the current rate of homogenization we'll be hard pressed to spot any local differences by the end of the century. Look whats taking over, look what we're all losing.

[ElCoyote]

Hmm the last line kinda summed up the post....:jerry:


But social conditioning rules our lives - the reason why we DON'T do a lot of shit is fear of the reaction of our peers.

Try being a male who has tassles on his jacket and bike fr'instance, :Punk:you gotta be impervious to the 'social conditioning' regarding tassles otherwise you wouldn't have them.

It's like being inundated about how "Speed kills" that is SOCIAL CONDITIONING at it's worst.

Caution is no substitute for skill with or without tassles, with all due respects Tom, why cater for the lowest common denominator instead of fixing a known problem. Sorry to hijack this thread, but this area of social engineering gives me erectile dysfunction.

[ElCoyote]

Yeah sure all those topless women wanted ya :rolleyes: :lol:

Mitre 10 said it best, BIG IS GOOD. I rest my case.:niceone:

[Number One]

It's like being inundated about how "Speed kills" that is SOCIAL CONDITIONING at it's worst.

INDEED!!!


Sorry to hijack this thread, but this area of social engineering gives me erectile dysfunction.

Not at all, tis a valid point sir. Well...not your 'erectile dysfunction' but your other statements :lol:

[svr]

Yes. I once had a sociologist tell me it wasn't possible to manipulate concepts without naming the relevant factors.

Utter bollox.

Unfortunately said bollox have also been fully deconstructed by whole generation of post-structural feminist sociologists.

[ElCoyote]

INDEED!!!



Not at all, tis a valid point sir. Well...not your 'erectile dysfunction' but your other statements :lol:

I take your point Ma'am but lets let my failures remain between us...........Pretty please

[ElCoyote]

INDEED!!!



Not at all, tis a valid point sir. Well...not your 'erectile dysfunction' but your other statements :lol:

I take your point Ma'am but lets let my failures remain between us...........Pretty please. I am not pretty when I grovel.

[Number One]

I take your point Ma'am but lets let my failures remain between us...........Pretty please. I am not pretty when I grovel.
:lol: cocked that up and posted it twice..now everyone knows :laugh: o dear :lol: Yeah we'll keep it between you and me ;)

[Skyryder]

Its getting less plausible to use terms like `our culture', or `our society anymore'. Progressive cultural `evolution' is less of an issue than preserving cultural diversity in the face of intensifying cultural imperialism. Given the current rate of homogenization we'll be hard pressed to spot any local differences by the end of the century. Look whats taking over, look what we're all losing.

I tend to agree. It's the culture that gives society it's values. It's the glue that binds us together not only as a nation but what we consider to be right from wrong. At present the political will is to create in society, not only NZ's but western society as a whole, cultural diversity. It may be that the western acceptance of, and I use the term loosely, immigration, stems from the fact that as a whole we tend to give those of us who are less fortunate than ourselves an oppertunity for betterment. This is one of the values of our society as against the class society where you died in the same class that you were born in. Having said that is it any wonder that immigrants do not adhere to our values, when many in our society suggest that we are better off with cultural diversity. The danger of this is that when society comes under stress, for whatever reason, it finds itself incapable of solutions to remedy the problems due to the diverse values that society is made up from. This not only applies to immigration but political values as well. However the political values are tempered with the acceptance of our democratic system. The problem arise when there are cultural values that do not accept our systems. A recent example of this was from a leader of the Auckland Asian community calling for triads to protect their comminuty.

That's just one example of what our society has lost.


Skyyrder