Illegal Websites

[CB ARGH]

Howdy guys,

Okay, now we all want to know about how to secure our bikes, obviously. So I'm googling ways to secure a motorcycle, trying different ways to say it (how to stop motorcycle theft, motorcycle theft, etc), and here rolls on a dreadful site...

r********s.com (I won't release the website name because I wish not to promote such a thing)

This gets me going... How on earth is something like this allowed? It contains COUNTLESS shoplifting information... hijacking... hotwiring, YOU NAME IT!

Isn't there a reason why there are the "Super awesome look-a-meee I'm an FBI agent put your hand in the air or our tele-electic supersonic system machines will make you do it"?

And coming to think of it, this sort of website/information is easily viewable by the younger generation (look how I found it!), which can lead them into all sorts of trouble which would wreck their whole lives!


It's like a bible for law breakers!

Shocked, unimpressed, disappointed. :eek5:

[BiK3RChiK]

Welcome to the interweb...

[scracha]

OMG. Next you'll be telling us that there's porn, bomb making sites and terrorists using the Interweb.

[xwhatsit]

Anybody who proposes any form of internet censorship can Fuck Right Off.

[Steam]

Anybody who proposes any form of internet censorship can Fuck Right Off.

But surely the censor has a role in preventing child porn.

[CB ARGH]

OMG. Next you'll be telling us that there's porn, bomb making sites and terrorists using the Interweb.

Cross out the porn, then we have a deal.

[James Deuce]

But surely the censor has a role in preventing child porn.

He'd be a pretty busy Superhero if he tied that one on.

[bobsmith]

It is not the information itself that is evil. It is how people choose to use the information.

A site such as the one you described could be used to prevent the things described in the website from happening. I mean, by looking at how people would steal motorcycles, are you not more aware of how you should protect your bike?

Don't hate the internet. Hate the PEOPLE.

[Livvy]

Ever heard of "The Anarchist's Cookbook"?

You know, yes, I'm interested in learning this sort of stuff - I'm the younger generation. But hey, I'm not about to go about stealing stuff! I'm just curious, not cruel and/or stupid.

And I'm in no way defending crime-loving teens here, just because I'm a teen too - if they're big enough of fuckwits to do this stuff in an illegal sense, they deserve punishment, but try not to lump us all into a "omfg if they read this they'll all do it and the whole country will go to shit" catagory.

For example - ever lost your keys, and desperately needed to get home, but it's too late for a bus and you can't afford a cab: knowing how to hotwire your own bike would be pretty useful, wouldn't it?

Sometimes "bad things" aren't always used in bad ways. It's the intent, not the action.

[Tank]

I was reading about this in a manner on Kiwiblog.co.nz

cut / poor edit / paste follows: visit the site for more reading.

Here is a small extract from the interview the Herald did with Peter Dengate-Thrush, the NZers who chairs ICANN - the global allocator of domain names and IP addresses. Some extracts:

In terms of safety is the web getting better or worse?

“The internet is neutral about these things - it’s really a question about the users. One of the reasons I’m participating in this is to assist with the constant requirement for user education - in this case we’ll be educating the educators. It’s a bit like saying is fire a good thing or is the wheel a good thing. It’s good when it’s done properly.”


What are the biggest threats to our internet freedom?

“The biggest threat to the internet itself is developing the wrong culture along the lines that I was just talking about. If we get that wrong, it’ll be humans and the way that humans use this particular tool that will cause the problems. You’ve got to be clear - there’s nothing inherently good or bad in the technology itself, it’s what we choose to do with it.



Our own stupidity that could trip us up?

“Yes. The sort of threats at the moment come from people attempting to impose controls and that runs into all the usual problems that we’ve struggled with over the centuries of this civilisation.

“Where the boundaries are between harmful knowledge and harmful expression and the right to freedom of expression. Getting the balance right is always very difficult. It seems clearer in war time for example when there’s an acknowledged crisis, civil liberties are curtailed. Absent those circumstances we struggle to be as clear as we can. Another clear example is the universal prohibition on child pornography and the exploitation of children. Those don’t cause much debate - it’s in political expression and inciting racial hatred and these sorts of areas where the current debate is raging.

[CookMySock]

OMG. Next you'll be telling us that there's porn, bomb making sites and terrorists using the Interweb.There IS ? :gob:


It is not the information itself that is evil. It is how people choose to use the information.Yeah for example, porn is good, but wanking off over it is evil ! :yes:


And I'm in no way defending crime-loving teens here, just because I'm a teen too - if they're big enough of fuckwits to do this stuff in an illegal sense, they deserve punishment, but try not to lump us all into a "omfg if they read this they'll all do it and the whole country will go to shit" catagory.hrm, you don't mention the bit about not getting caught. :blink: Whatever you do, its really important to not get caught. Getting caught really sucks.

DB

[nodrog]

It's like a bible for law breakers!


have you got a link?

[Gubb]

Anarchists cookbook FTW!

Welcome to the grey area.

I bet you have some sort of pirated/cracked serial code software on your PC.
Downloading music/movies/games is really no different to people in bands etc.

Except for the select few like NIN and Radiohead.

[Mikkel]

Don't worry - the people that might benefit from getting this information will be hard pressed if they ever tried to apply it. The professional thieves already know every trick in the book...

If the general state of the written word online is anything to go by, just give it a couple of years and these people won't be able to convey any kind of meaning through writing at all.

Oh - that and what Xerxesdaphat said. Fuck censorship! Closing your eyes and pretending that there's nothing bad out there won't make it go away.

[scracha]

Anarchists cookbook FTW!

Cripes. I remember downloading that on the old 2400 baud modem back in the "pre Web" days. Then kept seeing it used as court evidence to convict people. WTF? Every bored teenager downloaded it. Doesn't make us all terrorists.

[nodrog]

Cripes. I remember downloading that on the old 2400 baud modem back in the "pre Web" days. Then kept seeing it used as court evidence to convict people. WTF? Every bored teenager downloaded it. Doesn't make us all terrorists.

Thermite, FTW!

[alanzs]

Anarchist cookbook had some great recipes in it. Used a few to have some great guerilla fun in the old days... Cooked up some great anarchy!

[jrandom]

This gets me going... How on earth is something like this allowed?

Hello, mister. You're funny!

:first:

[rphenix]

But surely the censor has a role in preventing child porn.

Yeah that's how it starts. The problem with this philosophy is it sets a precedent to begin filtering content. Before you know it KB is taken down because some politician doesn't like some of the comments posted on here. What I like about the internet is you don't have anyone dictating (well unless you live in China or likewise) the content you can make up your own mind what you want to block/filter.

Instead of making up laws for ISPs to filter childporn and try and have things like p2p, usenet banned how about instead doing something useful and focus all attention on actually locking the creeps up who produce childporn?

[xwhatsit]

Yeah that's how it starts. The problem with this philosophy is it sets a precedent to begin filtering content. Before you know it KB is taken down because some politician doesn't like some of the comments posted on here. What I like about the internet is you don't have anyone dictating (well unless you live in China or likewise) the content you can make up your own mind what you want to block/filter.

Instead of making up laws for ISPs to filter childporn and try and have things like p2p, usenet banned how about instead doing something useful and focus all attention on actually locking the creeps up who produce childporn?
This man's on the money.

Child porn is already illegal -- it's illegal to possess, produce, whatever. So why do we need to censor bits of the internet (which is not only hopelessly difficult, China's Great Firewall is not very effective -- but also very problematic in the sense you've mentioned above), when it's already taken care of under a different set of laws?

The internet is a global resource. It transcends all sorts of political and legal boundaries. Saying things like `how is this stuff allowed on there' is patently ridiculous and laughable -- and shows a profound ignorance of the whole point of the network.

[jrandom]

Saying things like `how is this stuff allowed on there' is patently ridiculous and laughable.

Quoted for truth.

I say I laugh, but the reality is, I am quite disturbed by the way that people feel free to spout off about how things 'shouldn't be allowed'.

The automatic dependence on some hoped-for but unidentified authority is troubling.

[CookMySock]

[The automatic dependence on some hoped-for but unidentified authority is troubling.cant...

resist..

it.. trying..

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with.....

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random.. :crazy:

but..

HAVE TO!!!! ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!! :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash: /fail


DB

[Nagash]

4chan ftw..

If you want to see what people behind completely anonymous faces can do, 4chan is the place to go.

[Badjelly]

cant...

resist..

it.. trying..

not..

to....

dont...

want..

to..

aaaaaagree...

with.....

j..

random.. :crazy:

but..

HAVE TO!!!! ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!! :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash: /fail


DB

Yeah, it's an unpleasant feeling, isn't it?

[The Pastor]

Howdy guys,

Okay, now we all want to know about how to secure our bikes, obviously. So I'm googling ways to secure a motorcycle, trying different ways to say it (how to stop motorcycle theft, motorcycle theft, etc), and here rolls on a dreadful site...

r********s.com (I won't release the website name because I wish not to promote such a thing)

This gets me going... How on earth is something like this allowed? It contains COUNTLESS shoplifting information... hijacking... hotwiring, YOU NAME IT!

Isn't there a reason why there are the "Super awesome look-a-meee I'm an FBI agent put your hand in the air or our tele-electic supersonic system machines will make you do it"?

And coming to think of it, this sort of website/information is easily viewable by the younger generation (look how I found it!), which can lead them into all sorts of trouble which would wreck their whole lives!


It's like a bible for law breakers!

Shocked, unimpressed, disappointed. :eek5:
its not datastronghold.com is it?

[more_fasterer]

Quoted for truth.
The automatic dependence on some hoped-for but unidentified authority is troubling.

Yet it's been around since God created Adam.