Sex - or no sex?

[Her_C4]

Not tonight Josephine....:nono:

Something to ponder - How difficult would it be do you think, to be in a close and otherwise loving relationship where the male was not even remotely interested in sex? We hear a lot from men about their frustration levels experienced when their partners for whatever reason decline to participate in or generally show a complete disinterest in sex, but we (or I) rarely hear of the reverse. Or do we?

I was guilty of watching an episode or two of Shortland Street that other day where one of the characters claimed to be 'asexual' the definition of which (as given by the ever informative Wikipedia site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality)) describes asexual individuals as those 'who do not experience sexual attraction' as opposed to celibacy where one selectively 'chooses' not to be sexually active.

If you were a circumspect and moral person and did not wish to engage in pre-marital sex (yes I can see where you would get the idea that my thinking is old fashioned and therefore irrelevant in this day and age - but to carry the thought through), became engaged and married to a chap without realising that he wasn't just being celibate and / or respecting your wishes, morals, standards - how would you feel? Understanding? Sympathetic? Angry? Frustrated to all hell? Gypped? Murderous?

If it was the latter options, what would you do about it? Given that you married the chap because presumably you loved and cared about him - would you forego the sex - accept the situation and take the matter 'in hand'? Would you stay and have affairs? (and if you did would you be circumspect about it)? Would you read up everything you could about the subject and perhaps push for an element of counselling to try and resolve the situation? Or would you leave because a sexually barren life was not what you signed up for?

Just how important is the sexual aspect of a relationship to you as a woman? There are obviously cases where because of illness and or accidents where sex is not an option but this question is outside of that kind of scenario, as is the option of knowing beforehand and marrying anyway (awareness implies acceptance).

:devil2:

[duckonin]

GEZZZZZZZZ !!! you would have to be unlucky for that to happen:doh:

[SixPackBack]

Would you buy a bike without taking it out for a good hard ride?......sex is an important part of any relationship why deny yourself?

[Naki Rat]

Not to criticise but perhaps enlist some professional help/advice before doing the Wikipedia diagnosis thing.

A lack of libido could well be a symptom of underlying emotional turmoil. Is the guy happy in everyday activities other than those sexual? If not what chance of depression being a factor? Maybe a bit of relationship analysis - for example is it possible he lacks confidence in bed due to a dominance issue? We all accumulate emotional baggage as we travel through life, and it has a habit of making its presence felt in a variety of ways. Complex things us human beings.:hug:

Extra-marital affairs? Sort out the problem at hand before risking making things a whole lot worse, not to mention financially and emotionally expensive :crybaby::crazy:

[Her_C4]

GEZZZZZZZZ !!! you would have to be unlucky for that to happen:doh:

Unlucky? Unworldy or plain naive??


Would you buy a bike without taking it out for a good hard ride?......sex is an important part of any relationship why deny yourself?

Errm I believe I am wrong person to ask that question to.....:doh: given as everyone on here is aware that for me personally I have bought a bike without taking it for a 'good hard ride' :spanking:.... and luckily for me have NO issues with said bike :first:

Regarding the second half of your statement - I agree - but the question was - what if DID deny yourself for any reason, what would your response be when you found out that the garden of eden had the proverbial snake but it was totally uninterested in either Adam or Eve?

[Her_C4]

Not to criticise but perhaps enlist some professional help/advice before doing the Wikipedia diagnosis thing.

A lack of libido could well be a symptom of underlying emotional turmoil. Is the guy happy in everyday activities other than those sexual? If not what chance of depression being a factor? Maybe a bit of relationship analysis - for example is it possible he lacks confidence in bed due to a dominance issue? We all accumulate emotional baggage as we travel through life, and it has a habit of making its presence felt in a variety of ways. Complex things us human beings.:hug:

Extra-marital affairs? Sort out the problem at hand before risking making things a whole lot worse, not to mention financially and emotionally expensive :crybaby::crazy:

GOOD Grief! This is a situation off television not real life:woohoo::crazy: (Or is it? - is it real to you?) but it did get me thinking - I know what I would do in response to the situation, but then we are all different so I wondered how would other chicks would handle it:eek5:

[fire eyes]

I would not willingly choose a sexless relationship. I couldn't bare the thought of not touching or being intimate with my partner. I wouldnt find myself in an engagment and not know my partners preferences, he wouldnt even stand a chance with me if he was celibate, sorry.

[rachprice]

I dont think I could go without sex, it is a huge part of any relationship, and to me it is very very important
I just couldn't do it personally

[Number One]

Geez as if anyone couldn't guess what my thoughts on this would be...I mean I am so clearly 'all about sex'.

As Fire eyes has said - I also would NOT willingly choose a sexless relationship and couldn't imgaine a well rounded partnership without that intimacy.

[Her_C4]

I would not willingly choose a sexless relationship. I couldn't bare the thought of not touching or being intimate with my partner.

So then - good point. Is touching and intimacy (without the act of sex itself) included in the definiton of asexuality I wonder? Or would that be a part of the loving perspective of the relationship which I assume would have occured in the instance that I was thinking about.

Although the trigger for these musings was a male character on Shortland Street and they are 'together' but not married - his character appears to be reasonalby intimate and loving on the whole - although it seems as though he has thrown his partner at other men <?> and encouraged her to pursue an affair.

So then prompted by your post my question changes somewhat to 'is loving and touching and general intimacy, enough in a relationship under the circumstances described in my first post?'

[rachprice]

Touching usually is sexual or leads to sex
hmmm im still going to go with no it isnt enough

[oldguy]

I find women hard to under stand at times.

1 when you want sex and she doesn't, she calls you a sex maniac

2 when she wants it, and you don't, she accuses you of getting elsewhere

its a no win situation.

[Livvy]

I'd agree with what's been said so far.

I mean okay, I'm 17, not exactly looking at a serious relationship, but long term and thinking for the future - I know that I love closeness, and if it were a relationship that I wanted to last, I would want the intimacy of sex.

An affair could be an answer, but that would either not fulfil it for me out of the fact that I'd probably only do it for sex which just doesn't seem right to me (I think that I'd just feel bad afterwards, even if hypothesised husband encouraged it) or I would get far too attached to Mr Affair, and leave the first guy for him - which I would also not want to happen, because if I'd gone to all the trouble of making him put a ring on my finger I sure as hell wouldn't want to simply throw away what otherwise might be an amazing relationship.

[Her_C4]

I find women hard to under stand at times.

1 when you want sex and she doesn't, she calls you a sex maniac

2 when she wants it, and you don't, she accuses you of getting elsewhere

its a no win situation.

ha ha ha - that was random :rockon::lol::grouphug: KB hug due? :grouphug:

[Tony.OK]

I told my wife nothing good can come of S/Street....................now I'm reading one of the plots :oi-grr:

[Goblin]

... if I'd gone to all the trouble of making him put a ring on my finger...Yup...can see you're going to do well in the relationship game.
:jerry:

[Her_C4]

Geez as if anyone couldn't guess what my thoughts on this would be...I mean I am so clearly 'all about sex'.

As Fire eyes has said - I also would NOT willingly choose a sexless relationship and couldn't imgaine a well rounded partnership without that intimacy.

What if this were a different world and #1 was a virgin and veeeeeery naive (a stretch I know - but give it a go :laugh:) and you DIDN'T know before you married - how would you react?


I'd agree with what's been said so far.

I mean okay, I'm 17, not exactly looking at a serious relationship, but long term and thinking for the future - I know that I love closeness, and if it were a relationship that I wanted to last, I would want the intimacy of sex.

An affair could be an answer, but that would either not fulfil it for me out of the fact that I'd probably only do it for sex which just doesn't seem right to me (I think that I'd just feel bad afterwards, even if hypothesised husband encouraged it) or I would get far too attached to Mr Affair, and leave the first guy for him - which I would also not want to happen, because if I'd gone to all the trouble of making him put a ring on my finger I sure as hell wouldn't want to simply throw away what otherwise might be an amazing relationship.

17? sigh - you spring chicken you:msn-wink: awesome answer - there is no really 'one size fits all' response I guess you are saying?

[Her_C4]

Yup...can see you're going to do well in the relationship game.
:jerry:

Ha ha ha - missed that one :laugh:

What about you Goblin? What would your reaction be to the situation? Would you feel that general intimacy was enough?

[Mom]

I would expect that prior to making a lifetime commitment to him the subject of children/sex/beliefs/interests would have been discussed, and some common ground established and agreements made. Unlikely I would agree to a sexless marriage, therefore if I did not know I was marrying a bloke that had no interest in sex, he lied to me by ommission I would be very angry and the relationship would be over in a flash.

[fire eyes]

I would expect that prior to making a lifetime commitment to him the subject of children/sex/beliefs/interests would have been discussed, and some common ground established and agreements made. Unlikely I would agree to a sexless marriage, therefore if I did not know I was marrying a bloke that had no interest in sex, he lied to me by ommission I would be very angry and the relationship would be over in a flash.
well said Mom!

[Her_C4]

I would expect that prior to making a lifetime commitment to him the subject of children/sex/beliefs/interests would have been discussed, and some common ground established and agreements made. Unlikely I would agree to a sexless marriage, therefore if I did not know I was marrying a bloke that had no interest in sex, he lied to me by ommission I would be very angry and the relationship would be over in a flash.

Yes - the reality of course would be very much that the conversation would have been had, I guess I was using my overactive imagination in the 'what if' stakes :banana:

[Goblin]

Ha ha ha - missed that one :laugh:

What about you Goblin? What would your reaction be to the situation? Would you feel that general intimacy was enough?Well I would never be in that situation because I'm a 'Try before you buy' kinda person. If my partner was ever unable to....umm....perform, we wouldn't go without. There's a lot more to sex than just penetration.

[Livvy]

Yup...can see you're going to do well in the relationship game.
:jerry:

Awww, thank you. :hug:


17? sigh - you spring chicken you:msn-wink: awesome answer - there is no really 'one size fits all' response I guess you are saying?

Basically. I guess there must be some people out there who'd take the marriage and say well, I love them, they're my best friend, okay, well, I'll either live without or get "permission" for an affair. If he's asexual, let's be honest, he probably won't care. But, in saying that;


I would expect that prior to making a lifetime commitment to him the subject of children/sex/beliefs/interests would have been discussed, and some common ground established and agreements made. Unlikely I would agree to a sexless marriage, therefore if I did not know I was marrying a bloke that had no interest in sex, he lied to me by ommission I would be very angry and the relationship would be over in a flash.

Mom states something I didn't even think of. Sure there's shotgun weddings occasionally but not so much these days, and if you've got two braincells to rub together I'd really hope people talk honestly about these things before getting married.

[Goblin]

Awww, thank you. :hug:

Mom states something I didn't even think of. Sure there's shotgun weddings occasionally but not so much these days, and if you've got two braincells to rub together I'd really hope people talk honestly about these things before getting married.Awww you're welcome. :hug:

If it were a shotgun wedding you'd know there's been some sexual contact.:banana:

[Coyote]

ROCK THE CASBAH!!!

My 2 cents

[Livvy]

Awww you're welcome. :hug:

If it were a shotgun wedding you'd know there's been some sexual contact.:banana:
Too damn true. :laugh:

[SixPackBack]

Geez as if anyone couldn't guess what my thoughts on this would be...I mean I am so clearly 'all about sex'.

As Fire eyes has said - I also would NOT willingly choose a sexless relationship and couldn't imgaine a well rounded partnership without that intimacy.

Skinny partnerships are so much more satisfying:hug:

[enigma51]

A man that doesn't want sex "with a women" is gay ......... Ask any straight man if he wants sex with another man the answer is simple no ask him if he wants sex with a women then the answer is yes
no maybe
no later
no wait till we married crap

I want it NOW

[kiwifruit]

I'm happy to wait for marriage

[rustycharm]

GOOD Grief! This is a situation off television not real life:woohoo::crazy: (Or is it? - is it real to you?) but it did get me thinking - I know what I would do in response to the situation, but then we are all different so I wondered how would other chicks would handle it:eek5:

I thought Naki Rats response was spot on ... you posed the question in a real world sense albeit modelled on what was happening on S St... There was a superb post earlier on about .... 'No good coming out of Shortland St' ... nice

[Number One]

What if this were a different world and #1 was a virgin and veeeeeery naive (a stretch I know - but give it a go :laugh:) and you DIDN'T know before you married - how would you react?

Wouldn't happen..I would always try before I buy :bleh:


I would expect that prior to making a lifetime commitment to him the subject of children/sex/beliefs/interests would have been discussed, and some common ground established and agreements made. Unlikely I would agree to a sexless marriage, therefore if I did not know I was marrying a bloke that had no interest in sex, he lied to me by ommission I would be very angry and the relationship would be over in a flash.

:niceone: I concur little Momma.


Skinny partnerships are so much more satisfying:hug:

You calling me and hubby fat hmmm?! :spanking: I like a bit of meat on my men...and I hate those inner thigh bruises that skinny boys can give ya :dodge:

[Swoop]

Common knowledge that sex doesn't occur after the wedding ceremony.

Something in the wedding cake is thought to cause this...:shifty:

:jerry:

[SixPackBack]

You calling me and hubby fat hmmm?! :spanking: I like a bit of meat on my men...and I hate those inner thigh bruises that skinny boys can give ya :dodge:

I dunno are you??......just talking from personal experience #1....being fit and slim lifts the libido and stamina

[Number One]

I dunno are you??......just talking from personal experience #1....being fit and slim lifts the libido and stamina

I would call myself well rounded :lol: definitely not skinny...I'm Bulgarian and I have big sensible bones :lol:

...no probs with libido or stamina here :shutup:...infact you've given me an idea...maybe I need to put some weight on to calm myself...the libido seems to have gone through the roof since I hit dirty 30 :rolleyes: ...that or maybe I could just get myself a less attractive husband :blink: Nah bugger that!

:lol: by the way I agree with you! Thankfully neither of us is what I would term tubby to the point of it effecting our sexlife...no mission impossible here...don't know if you've seen that cartoon but I always think of it when the old waistband gets a bit tight :lol:

[Pussy]

I would call myself well rounded :lol: definitely not skinny...I'm Bulgarian and I have big sensible bones :lol:

...no probs with libido or stamina here :shutup:...infact you've given me an idea...maybe I need to put some weight on to calm myself...the libido seems to have gone through the roof since I hit dirty 30 :rolleyes: ...that or maybe I could just get myself a less attractive husband :blink: Nah bugger that!

:lol: by the way I agree with you! Thankfully neither of us is what I would term tubby to the point of it effecting our sexlife...no mission impossible here...don't know if you've seen that cartoon but I always think of it when the old waistband gets a bit tight :lol:

Sounds like you need bromide in your tea, Number One! For me, I'm like a dog chasing a car, even if I caught one, I wouldn't know what to do with it

[Her_C4]

Common knowledge that sex doesn't occur after the wedding ceremony..............................:jerry:

Ring too tight??:shit:

[duckonin]

My ring isn't tight, my wife say;s my problem with sex is (always wanting) that big I should go and see ACC about a claim:hug:
Yep could not live in a relationship without it(sex) really end of story, we were given various parts of our bodies to have fun with and fun I shall have, hopefully till it wears out or I die..:whistle:

[fire eyes]

...the libido seems to have gone through the roof since I hit dirty 30 :rolleyes:

I totally agree with that Number One! :2thumbsup ;)

As for the weight thing .. I think if your completely happy with your weight it will show through your confidence in the bedroom .. if not .. then thats the beauty about choices.

[Goblin]

What if this were a different world and #1 was a virgin and veeeeeery naive (a stretch I know - but give it a go :laugh:) and you DIDN'T know before you married - how would you react?So how would you handle it Her_B4?

[Her_C4]

So how would you handle it Her_B4?

Dunno - the question was intended to be thought provoking and it certainly did that for me after I watched the programme and started thinking 'what if'. It gets complicated when you start thinking about all the scenarios that might have prefaced it.

My initial rection is that if it happened in the manner I outlined, then it would be a deception and I don't take deception well under any circumstances. A healthy sex life is surely at the core of every good relationship and if I had had the (pre-marriage) conversation as Mom suggests and the matter was not raised then I would probably not stick around.

BUT - if the guy was honest about it (and the character on Shorty street was) and I REALLY loved the guy (you said yourself there are other ways to obtain satisfaction other than penetration) then there is a (slim) chance that I might be happy to stay and look for other ways to fulfil the sexual intimacy component of the relationship.

With some of the answers, another question is raised - Does sex = love (well we know that one is not true:blank:) or does love = sex???

[fire eyes]

Dunno - the question was intended to be thought provoking and it certainly did that for me after I watched the programme and started thinking 'what if'. It gets complicated when you start thinking about all the scenarios that might have prefaced it.

My initial rection is that if it happened in the manner I outlined, then it would be a deception and I don't take deception well under any circumstances. A healthy sex life is surely at the core of every good relationship and if I had had the (pre-marriage) conversation as Mom suggests and the matter was not raised then I would probably not stick around.

BUT - if the guy was honest about it (and the character on Shorty street was) and I REALLY loved the guy (you said yourself there are other ways to obtain satisfaction other than penetration) then there is a (slim) chance that I might be happy to stay and look for other ways to fulfil the sexual intimacy component of the relationship.

With some of the answers, another question is raised - Does sex = love (well we know that one is not true:blank:) or does love = sex???
Absolutely not! I don't believe for a second sex = love. I think sex is an extention or progression of intimacy .. random sex is ok for some people but is just dead sex (I guess we have all done that) .. I think sex in a loving committed relationship is far more fulfilling and why expend energy on many with restricted reciprocation when a whole world can be opened up with someone special.

[Swoop]

Ring too tight??:shit:
Perhaps it is the same type of ring that gets used when docking lamb's tails???:eek::doh:

[doc]

Im a male, and have sort of scanned thru 3 pages of womens weekly type stuff with no pictures. So has Her B4 just got married and something is not happening.

[Her_C4]

Im a male, and have sort of scanned thru 3 pages of womens weekly type stuff with no pictures. So has Her B4 just got married and something is not happening.

Interesting that the guys have trivialised the question with their responses:dodge:

So if you just got married and found out that you and your new wife were never going to have sex again - what would be your response? Would you stay or would you go?? :whistle:

[doc]

Interesting that the guys have trivialised the question with their responses:dodge:

So if you just got married and found out that you and your new wife were never going to have sex again - what would be your response? Would you stay or would you go?? :whistle:

Once heard a saying "A stray dog is looking for something it didn't get at home" :bleh: Send a pic before you come up this way aye.

[Her_C4]

Once heard a saying "A stray dog is looking for something it didn't get at home" :bleh: Send a pic before you come up this way aye.

ha ha ha :hug: don't flatter yourself bud. :corn:

You really didn't read the thread did ya? :woohoo:

[doc]

oops . :Playnice: :girlfight: :weep: only teasing :hug:

[Her_C4]

oops . :Playnice: :girlfight: :weep: only teasing :hug:

awwww come 'ere :hug::sunny::bleh:

[SixPackBack]

Interesting that the guys have trivialised the question with their responses:dodge:

So if you just got married and found out that you and your new wife were never going to have sex again - what would be your response? Would you stay or would you go?? :whistle:

Men are far less complicated B4, the vast majority [on KB at least] would prefer a long ride or trackday followed by steak and alcohol and a good hard root-sleep afterwards would be impossible for them to avoid. You can bet not more than a millisecond after the vinegar stroke their mind is empty, their conscience clear.

Men do not as a rule consider 'emotion', generally they are ready for action at a moments notice and 'asexuality' is something many of them will have only just heard of. All across the country KB's men folk are scratching their balls and picking their noses wondering why the fuck any sane man would turn down a root!?

When it comes to sex men have two modes-stand by and shag

[scumdog]

Meh, sex is waaay over-rated.

But then when it's on tap you would think that, wouldn't you?:msn-wink:

[McJim]

Meh, sex is waaay over-rated.

But then when it's on tap you would think that, wouldn't you?:msn-wink:

Hmmm - tried it on the worktop in the kitchen once but have to confess I avoided going anywhere near the taps in case they got lodged somewhere uncomfortable.:rofl:

Seriously though if you are unfortunate enough to marry an assexual without knowing it there are toys available (Wanking isn't just a place in China!) also there is the fact that if the marriage remains unconsumated it can be anulled pretty quickly.

[ManDownUnder]

Two key aspects here - intimacy and sex. The two are related obviously but they also exist in isolation one to the other.

Sadly, a lack of sex is generally construed as a lack of intimacy by a guy, and a lack of intimacy leads to a lack of sex for a woman (or in other words, a lack of sex starves a guy of intimacy, so he doesn't feel like being intimate)...

... which leads to a woman feeling that lack of intimacy, which is an esential precursor to sex - so the sex doesn't happen...

.. which leads to the guy feeling a lack of intimacy... and around and around and around we go.

The solution? There are a three which people traditionally fall back on.
* Affairs (get what you need elsewhere, be it intimacy, sex or both...)
* Help - counselling... but this is an ocassion to bring out the big guns. Call someone with a degree, not someone that's done the 6 week block course because they think they're good at listening and they might have a go...
* Separate

In the end, any relationship that is not what it purported to originally be is going to struggle. Marrying someone that then refused to engage in a sexual relationship is called tying yourself to a freind... (without benefits).

OUCH

[Goblin]

Men are far less complicated B4, the vast majority [on KB at least] would prefer a long ride or trackday followed by steak and alcohol and a good hard root-sleep afterwards would be impossible for them to avoid. You can bet not more than a millisecond after the vinegar stroke their mind is empty, their conscience clear.

When it comes to sex men have two modes-stand by and shagThat's what I love about guys....so simple. :love: :hug:

[kevfromcoro]

its a funny thing sex......i have mates that wouldent shag a lady for a few weeks after knowing them.have to get to know them 1st..bla bla
iam a bit different ......

[Her_C4]

Meh, sex is waaay over-rated........


Naaaaaah - surely not?!:crazy:


Hmmm - tried it on the worktop in the kitchen once but have to confess I avoided going anywhere near the taps in case they got lodged somewhere uncomfortable.:rofl:

Seriously though if you are unfortunate enough to marry an assexual without knowing it there are toys available (Wanking isn't just a place in China!) also there is the fact that if the marriage remains unconsumated it can be anulled pretty quickly.

Yes I guess if you decided that love without sex was an untenable option you could indeed get your relationship annulled - gosh, didn't think that they did that anymore :gob:


Two key aspects here - intimacy and sex. .....

In the end, any relationship that is not what it purported to originally be is going to struggle. Marrying someone that then refused to engage in a sexual relationship is called tying yourself to a freind... (without benefits).

OUCH

Would they still be a friend though? Surely it would be deceitful, in which case you would presumably find if difficult to remain friends. Imagine being the guy or gal preparing to satisfy your sexual fantasies for on wedding night / honeymoon with your darling partner only to find that it ain't gonna be a happening thing!! I would imagine that the frustration levels would be pretty damned high.:angry2:


That's what I love about guys....so simple. :love: :hug:


I reckon!! :rockon:

[Bikernereid]

I spent a year with an incredibly unsexual man which after being with someone before hand that was sex mad was hard to say the least. The aforementioned man was more into massages than sex which was ok for a while but drove me to distraction after a year. yes you can love someone but if you are a sexual being and have a good appetite you will become very frustrated. Love does not conquer all!!

I do not condone extra partnership affairs but I do believe that men who are not into sex are just like the female counterparts and may be like that for many different reasons. In hindsight if I had been in a better place mentally and had been strong enough to stand up to a more dominanting partner I would have advocated counselling. Not for selfish reasons but becasue I believed there were underlying psychological issues that needed to be addressed. And never have.

Not wanting to be with a partner who is not 'sexual' does not make you a bad person. It is like being a biker and not wanting to be with someone who is not, you want to be able to share your 'hobby' with that special person. I do believe, however, that if you enter into a relationship with another person knowing full well that you are not a sexual person you should declare it in advance. Anything else would be cruel!!

[Pussy]

That's what I love about guys....so simple. :love: :hug:

Men are either hungry or horny... so if your bloke doesn't have a hard-on, Goblin, make him a sandwich

[Goblin]

Men are either hungry or horny... so if your bloke doesn't have a hard-on, Goblin, make him a sandwichYeah, well he doesn't eat much. ;)

[Her_C4]

I spent a year with an incredibly unsexual man which after being with someone before hand that was sex mad was hard to say the least. The aforementioned man was more into massages than sex which was ok for a while but drove me to distraction after a year. yes you can love someone but if you are a sexual being and have a good appetite you will become very frustrated. Love does not conquer all!!

I do not condone extra partnership affairs but I do believe that men who are not into sex are just like the female counterparts and may be like that for many different reasons. In hindsight if I had been in a better place mentally and had been strong enough to stand up to a more dominanting partner I would have advocated counselling. Not for selfish reasons but becasue I believed there were underlying psychological issues that needed to be addressed. And never have.

Not wanting to be with a partner who is not 'sexual' does not make you a bad person. It is like being a biker and not wanting to be with someone who is not, you want to be able to share your 'hobby' with that special person. I do believe, however, that if you enter into a relationship with another person knowing full well that you are not a sexual person you should declare it in advance. Anything else would be cruel!!


No it doesn't make you a bad person - I agree, and I like your anology. :niceone:

Given some of the responses - I see that perhaps I didn't think it through very well - given the audience, and the question of finding yourself married to someone with a very different sexual appetite to yourself without prior knowledge would be nigh on impossible these days. :jerry:

[Bikernereid]

No it doesn't make you a bad person - I agree, and I like your anology. :niceone:

Given some of the responses - I see that perhaps I didn't think it through very well - given the audience, and the question of finding yourself married to someone with a very different sexual appetite to yourself without prior knowledge would be nigh on impossible these days. :jerry:

I think that society has a lot to do with expectations these days. We are always told in the media that we should all be at it like rabbits and that if we are not havign 50 orgasms a day we are not cool enough! We have advertising and media tell us that we should have everything we want and that anything less means we are less beings. People are 'taught' not to settle and that relationships like consumer good are easily disposable. Relationships like sex take communication, effort, time and understanding and in my hubmle opinion lots of people can't be bothered to put the time in if things don't go exactly as they want, expect or demand.

I still advocate truth and honesty, old fashioned I know but that is just me.

[scumdog]

Yeah, well he doesn't eat much. ;)

Not eat much WHAT???

[McJim]

Not eat much WHAT???

Aparently Elvis was a bit like that too. there was just one thing that fella wouldn't eat (so Cybill Shepherd says anyway)

[scumdog]

Aparently Elvis was a bit like that too. there was just one thing that fella wouldn't eat (so Cybill Shepherd says anyway)

Ah well. there's no accounting for taste....I guess he missed out eh??

Heh, CB bought me a bottle of Dalmore 12 year old single malt today - now that IS taste!!

(and no combing teeth afterwards niether)

[Goblin]

Not eat much WHAT???Sandwiches!!! :rolleyes::bleh:

[Big Dave]

Words of wisdom from that country music philosopher, Willie Nelson, on his 75th birthday:

'I have outlived my dick.'

[oldrider]

I have just read through this whole thread and it has given me a great idea! :yes:

I am going to ask Mrs O/rider if she knows anything about sex. :blip:

Well, If yah don't ask! :doh:

Hope I'm not too late :slap: John.

PS: This was her answer.
She said,
she did try it once,
in our honeymoon tent,
twasn't hard,
so she put it in bent,
she was so disappointed,
cause instead of cumming,
it went! :shit:

[scumdog]

Words of wisdom from that country music philosopher, Willie Nelson, on his 75th birthday:

'I have outlived my dick.'

Sadly it's one of the downsides of living to be older than 50...especially if ya drink.

More than twice a night is so over-rated once you realise it's not all about sex - ALL the time.

[Her_C4]

Words of wisdom from that country music philosopher, Willie Nelson, on his 75th birthday:

'I have outlived my dick.'

Bwwwwahahahaha haven't heard that one before!!:rockon::killingme

[Bikernereid]

Sadly it's one of the downsides of living to be older than 50...especially if ya drink.

I shall inform my mother about this as both her and her partner are over 50 and therefore should not be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.

[scumdog]

I shall inform my mother about this as both her and her partner are over 50 and therefore should not be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.


Oh no - you got me wrong.

It's not NOT be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.

It's just that more than two or three times a night takes some doing - and gets 'harder' as time goes by.

[Big Dave]

Bwwwwahahahaha haven't heard that one before!!:rockon::killingme


Can't take credit - Forwarded to moi by Mr Rhys Jones.

[Her_C4]

I shall inform my mother about this as both her and her partner are over 50 and therefore should not be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.

WHAT?????:oi-grr:


Oh no - you got me wrong.

It's not NOT be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.

It's just that more than two or three times a night takes some doing - and gets 'harder' as time goes by.

Oh yes I see ..... ;):lol::lol:

[scumdog]

I shall inform my mother about this as both her and her partner are over 50 and therefore should not be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.

As a side issue - you must be bloody young.

Or is your mother waaay past 50?????:blink:

[SixPackBack]

Words of wisdom from that country music philosopher, Willie Nelson, on his 75th birthday:

'I have outlived my dick.'

Cannabis killed his 'willie' not age.
Drugs are bad.

[Number One]

Does sex = love (well we know that one is not true:blank:) or does love = sex???

There is rooting and then there is making love. Sometimes I root my love but I would never 'make love' to a stranger.


Absolutely not! I don't believe for a second sex = love. I think sex is an extention or progression of intimacy .. random sex is ok for some people but is just dead sex (I guess we have all done that) .. I think sex in a loving committed relationship is far more fulfilling and why expend energy on many with restricted reciprocation when a whole world can be opened up with someone special.

+1 :niceone:


Interesting that the guys have trivialised the question with their responses:dodge:

Surprised? :rolleyes: :lol:


Men do not as a rule consider 'emotion', generally they are ready for action at a moments notice and 'asexuality' is something many of them will have only just heard of. All across the country KB's men folk are scratching their balls and picking their noses wondering why the fuck any sane man would turn down a root!?

When it comes to sex men have two modes-stand by and shag

:lol: Love your work AND thank god for men!!!


Two key aspects here - intimacy and sex. The two are related obviously but they also exist in isolation one to the other.

Sadly, a lack of sex is generally construed as a lack of intimacy by a guy, and a lack of intimacy leads to a lack of sex for a woman (or in other words, a lack of sex starves a guy of intimacy, so he doesn't feel like being intimate)...

... which leads to a woman feeling that lack of intimacy, which is an esential precursor to sex - so the sex doesn't happen...

.. which leads to the guy feeling a lack of intimacy... and around and around and around we go.

The solution? There are a three which people traditionally fall back on.
* Affairs (get what you need elsewhere, be it intimacy, sex or both...)
* Help - counselling... but this is an ocassion to bring out the big guns. Call someone with a degree, not someone that's done the 6 week block course because they think they're good at listening and they might have a go...
* Separate

In the end, any relationship that is not what it purported to originally be is going to struggle. Marrying someone that then refused to engage in a sexual relationship is called tying yourself to a freind... (without benefits).

OUCH

Thankyou once again Yodasan :clap:

[jrandom]

There is rooting and then there is making love. Sometimes I root my love but I would never 'make love' to a stranger.

+1.


Surprised? :rolleyes: :lol:

I think a lot of guys feel social pressure to pretend to a fairly animalistic approach to sex.

:sherlock:

[Grahameeboy]

Not tonight Josephine....:nono:

Something to ponder - How difficult would it be do you think, to be in a close and otherwise loving relationship where the male was not even remotely interested in sex? We hear a lot from men about their frustration levels experienced when their partners for whatever reason decline to participate in or generally show a complete disinterest in sex, but we (or I) rarely hear of the reverse. Or do we?

I was guilty of watching an episode or two of Shortland Street that other day where one of the characters claimed to be 'asexual' the definition of which (as given by the ever informative Wikipedia site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality)) describes asexual individuals as those 'who do not experience sexual attraction' as opposed to celibacy where one selectively 'chooses' not to be sexually active.

If you were a circumspect and moral person and did not wish to engage in pre-marital sex (yes I can see where you would get the idea that my thinking is old fashioned and therefore irrelevant in this day and age - but to carry the thought through), became engaged and married to a chap without realising that he wasn't just being celibate and / or respecting your wishes, morals, standards - how would you feel? Understanding? Sympathetic? Angry? Frustrated to all hell? Gypped? Murderous?

If it was the latter options, what would you do about it? Given that you married the chap because presumably you loved and cared about him - would you forego the sex - accept the situation and take the matter 'in hand'? Would you stay and have affairs? (and if you did would you be circumspect about it)? Would you read up everything you could about the subject and perhaps push for an element of counselling to try and resolve the situation? Or would you leave because a sexually barren life was not what you signed up for?

Just how important is the sexual aspect of a relationship to you as a woman? There are obviously cases where because of illness and or accidents where sex is not an option but this question is outside of that kind of scenario, as is the option of knowing beforehand and marrying anyway (awareness implies acceptance).

:devil2:

Personally I have enjoyed a sex free relationship....much prefer it and ended my last relationship because she wanted too much sex..not saying it was not nice but at same time did not did it for me....

But hey that is just me

[jrandom]

How difficult would it be do you think, to be in a close and otherwise loving relationship where the male was not even remotely interested in sex?

You'd have to be pretty stupid to marry someone with a significant difference in sexual interest level.

Of course, people's health and circumstances change over the years, but that's just life, isn't it, and not what we're talking about here.


If you were a circumspect and moral person and did not wish to engage in pre-marital sex (yes I can see where you would get the idea that my thinking is old fashioned and therefore irrelevant in this day and age - but to carry the thought through), became engaged and married to a chap without realising that he wasn't just being celibate and / or respecting your wishes, morals, standards - how would you feel? Understanding? Sympathetic? Angry? Frustrated to all hell? Gypped? Murderous?

Presumably all of the above.

Still, if you get fuckin' married without figuring his nature out first, it's gotta be said - you're a prize idiot, and probably would have buggered your life up one way or the other anyway.

:niceone:

[AllanB]

I got a boner just reading about all this potential sex.

[duckonin]

Oh no - you got me wrong.

It's not NOT be able to do any of that 'jiggy jiggy' stuff.

It's just that more than two or three times a night takes some doing - and gets 'harder' as time goes by.

Harden up man, do some excercises....:banana:

[Her_C4]

Surprised? :rolleyes: :lol:

I said 'interesting' not surprised. It takes a lot to surprise me these days ...:wari:


Personally I have enjoyed a sex free relationship....

Appreciate your honesty - as someone else said, society demands that a lot of pressure is placed on men to 'perform' and / or express themselves in various ways - it is good to see and hear those outside of that norm.:sunny:


You'd have to be pretty stupid to marry someone with a significant difference in sexual interest level.
................ Still, if you get fuckin' married without figuring his nature out first, it's gotta be said - you're a prize idiot, and probably would have buggered your life up one way or the other anyway.


Yep couldn't agree with you more, as pointed out earlier in this thread by Mom - even if you didn't 'try before you buy' you still would have talked about it and gleaned some understanding of each others appetite - I just took the thought one step further with the 'what if' scenario.... :shit: chances of that (getting married without knowing) happening these days has got to be pretty remote:Punk:


I got a boner just reading about all this potential sex.

Nice:love: don't waste it now:done:


Harden up man, do some excercises....:banana:

ha ha ha - 97; 98; 99 - change hands:2guns:

[jrandom]

Personally I have enjoyed a sex free relationship...

I enjoy sex-free relationships, too. Some of my best friends are girls.

But I must note that I wouldn't enjoy such relationships if I wasn't getting plenty at home.


ended my last relationship because she wanted too much sex...

I bet.

Men and women who can never talk about or think of anything but shagging are just as boring and annoying as each other. It's not just one or the other gender that's subject to such personality flaws.

:yes:

[jrandom]

chances of that (getting married without knowing) happening these days has got to be pretty remote:Punk:

I reckon.

Anyway, a legal divorce only requires two years of living apart followed by a $175 fee and a visit to the Family Court. If a marriage quickly turns out to be that fundamentally fucked up, I'd say that simply chucking it in would be a sad but wise step to take.

IMHO, one spouse completely failing, without good reason, to fulfill the other's sexual needs constitutes a breaking of the promises made and a valid reason for separation.

[Her_C4]

.... IMHO, one spouse completely failing, without good reason, to fulfill the other's sexual needs constitutes a breaking of the promises made and a valid reason for separation.


Yep deception as mentioned elsewhere is not an option...


I would expect that prior to making a lifetime commitment to him the subject of children/sex/beliefs/interests would have been discussed, and some common ground established and agreements made. Unlikely I would agree to a sexless marriage, therefore if I did not know I was marrying a bloke that had no interest in sex, he lied to me by ommission I would be very angry and the relationship would be over in a flash.

[Grahameeboy]

I


I bet.

Men and women who can never talk about or think of anything but shagging are just as boring and annoying as each other. It's not just one or the other gender that's subject to such personality flaws.

:yes:

True....I was wrestling the Christian issue anyway but decided I had a lot on my plate so decided I should live a little but at same time felt it was too much....

[SixPackBack]

True....I was wrestling the Christian issue anyway but decided I had a lot on my plate so decided I should live a little but at same time felt it was too much....

DUDE what the hell????
What beats being up to your nuts in guts?:love:

[Grahameeboy]

DUDE what the hell????
What beats being up to your nuts in guts?:love:

Nothing, it was great sex but at the end of the day I did not feel happy about it so made the decision.....I am worth more than that....

[alanzs]

This is your life. It isn't a dress rehearsal for something else. Enjoy everyday to the fullest for it may be your last. How do you want to live it? :done:

[alanzs]

IMHO, one spouse completely failing, without good reason, to fulfill the other's sexual needs constitutes a breaking of the promises made and a valid reason for separation.

Hallelujah brother! :eek:

[Grahameeboy]

This is your life. It isn't a dress rehearsal for something else. Enjoy everyday to the fullest for it may be your last. How do you want to live it? :done:

And if it is to be my last I sure ain't going to be thinking of sex.....not wasting my breath on something unfullfilling....

[Laava]

Back to the original topic-kind of. I lived with a girlfriend for 2.5yrs in London during which time she became less interested in sex all the time, using different excuses all the time to the point where I wanted out of the relationship. Because of the circumstances, I decided to let her dump me, that way we would have both felt better about the parting.[True story, it turned out that way too!] Anyhow, I decided to withhold sexual "favours" to get the ball rolling. Or not, as the case may be! It took 3 months before she asked me to make love to her that night. I told her that I didn't feel like it and went downstairs to watch telly. I had no idea how devastated she would be and the subsequent conversation was a tearjerker for her that's for sure! I said to her;"Now you know how I feel when you consistently withhold" or words to that effect. Needless to say, I got dumped as I wanted all along and was happily single again. Absolute believer in the Try before you buy, and have to say that sex without love is very forgettable, often regrettable.

[Mom]

And if it is to be my last I sure ain't going to be thinking of sex.....not wasting my breath on something unfullfilling....

Sad comment there GB. Great sex is very fulfilling indeed :yes:


Try before you buy, and have to say that sex without love is very forgettable, often regrettable.

What about LUST :devil2:......geeze you blokes are so oldfashioned :innocent:

[Laava]

...What about LUST :devil2:......geeze you blokes are so oldfashioned :innocent:
Ha ha! Should I say that LUST while in love is even better! Plus you don't wake up in the morning looking for excuses to leg it!

[jrandom]

Because of the circumstances, I decided to let her dump me, that way we would have both felt better about the parting.

WTF is up with that?


I told her that I didn't feel like it and went downstairs to watch telly. I had no idea how devastated she would be and the subsequent conversation was a tearjerker for her that's for sure! I said to her;"Now you know how I feel when you consistently withhold" or words to that effect. Needless to say, I got dumped as I wanted all along...

Again. WTF? How hard is it to man up and say "Sorry, sugar, this relationship isn't working for me. We best split up and move on. Toodle pip."?

Seriously, why did you feel that you had to fuck around with all those mind-game bollocks?

[Naki Rat]

GOOD Grief! This is a situation off television not real life:woohoo::crazy: (Or is it? - is it real to you?) but it did get me thinking - I know what I would do in response to the situation, but then we are all different so I wondered how would other chicks would handle it:eek5:

My misinterpretation :confused: of your (imagined?!) problem.

Mind you if you're not only watching Shortland Street :weird: but also then researching the half baked relationship problems portrayed in it :slap: perhaps seeking professional advice wasn't too far off the mark :rofl:

[Laava]

[QUOTE=Seriously, why did you feel that you had to fuck around with all those mind-game bollocks?[/QUOTE]
I admit it sounds like mind games but to be honest I am not into that shit. Simply as I can put it, it was the 3rd time we had been together and I had been unfaithfull to her as well. So it actually was for the best. Always very hard to read into others relationships isn't it? I did try to talk to her about things but she didn't want to hear what I was saying. We are still on talking terms so like I say, it was for the best.

[Grahameeboy]

Sad comment there GB. Great sex is very fulfilling indeed :yes:



What about LUST :devil2:......geeze you blokes are so oldfashioned :innocent:

Nah not sad.....life is fulfilling for me Mom....

[SixPackBack]

I admit it sounds like mind games but to be honest I am not into that shit. Simply as I can put it, it was the 3rd time we had been together and I had been unfaithfull to her as well. So it actually was for the best. Always very hard to read into others relationships isn't it? I did try to talk to her about things but she didn't want to hear what I was saying. We are still on talking terms so like I say, it was for the best.


Laaava......."he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy"!:clap:

[Her_C4]

My misinterpretation :confused: of your (imagined?!) problem.

Mind you if you're not only watching Shortland Street :weird: but also then researching the half baked relationship problems portrayed in it :slap: perhaps seeking professional advice wasn't too far off the mark :rofl:

Ha ha ha - bling for you sir, that was a great comeback :banana:- I will turn off the TV and discuss the matter with my counsellor :doctor: :yes: :lol:

[Bikernereid]

I am 34 and my mother is nearly 58.


As a side issue - you must be bloody young.

Or is your mother waaay past 50?????:blink:

[Bikernereid]

I reckon.

Anyway, a legal divorce only requires two years of living apart followed by a $175 fee and a visit to the Family Court. If a marriage quickly turns out to be that fundamentally fucked up, I'd say that simply chucking it in would be a sad but wise step to take.

IMHO, one spouse completely failing, without good reason, to fulfill the other's sexual needs constitutes a breaking of the promises made and a valid reason for separation.

As for the not trying before you buy there are still some God squad out there who do not advocate sex before marriage and some other behaviours too. Believe me I have 3 cousins who have been brought up 'knowing'/ being indoctrinated that sex before marriage is wrong/ a sin and as far as I know my poor uncle didn't get any before marrying his fruit loop bible bashing wife.

All I can say is I hope that the poor lads are happy waiting to get some once married and that thier partners are of the same ilk so that noone is disappointed!!

[doc]

I am 34 and my mother is nearly 58.

:eek5: mmmm yor avatar is not the devil shagging a sheep is it ? :hug: If is do you have her name ? She is very attractive.

[scumdog]

This is your life. It isn't a dress rehearsal for something else. Enjoy everyday to the fullest for it may be your last. How do you want to live it? :done:

That's why I have the above as my sig.

[fredie]

what about a strap on . jigy jigy :love:

[GurlRacer]

Interesting topic.

I guess it depends on who you meet in life. From what I hear, sex complicates everything.

I'm a strong believer in what happens, happens.
Everything happens for a reason. There is no right or wrong answer here, all down to personal preference. Ex-boyfriends have tried to pressure me in to having sex, but I do what I wanna do and so, I haven't. It'll happen eventually (I hope :lol: )

[awayatc]

No sex BEFORE marriage....?
Thought there wasn't any AFTER......:msn-wink:

[Bikernereid]

No sex BEFORE marriage....?
Thought there wasn't any AFTER......:msn-wink:

HELP, no sex before marriage and no sex after marriage???

Oh brilliant actually- no sex=zero population growth.

[alanzs]

That's why I have the above as my sig.

And a great sig it is... :rockon:

[alanzs]

Interesting topic.

I guess it depends on who you meet in life. From what I hear, sex complicates everything.

I'm a strong believer in what happens, happens.
Everything happens for a reason. There is no right or wrong answer here, all down to personal preference. Ex-boyfriends have tried to pressure me in to having sex, but I do what I wanna do and so, I haven't. It'll happen eventually (I hope :lol: )

This is the Dad in me speaking: Knowing what you want is something that many men may find very attractive. And, unfortunately, some may not, but its your life and you have to be true to your self.
My daughter has been pressured by boyfriends and I have told her the same thing. She waited till she felt right about having sex and she has said she is very glad that she did. Sex should be fun, not something you have to feel pressured about, and if communication is open and honest, as opposed to complicating things, it will create even greater intimacy. Things get more complicated when people aren't open and honest, IMHO. Hang in there.... :clap:

[jrandom]

I'm a strong believer in what happens, happens.
Everything happens for a reason. There is no right or wrong answer here, all down to personal preference. Ex-boyfriends have tried to pressure me in to having sex, but I do what I wanna do and so, I haven't. It'll happen eventually (I hope :lol: )

I do hope that my daughter grows up with your level of moral courage and self-awareness.

:niceone:

Quite frankly, I can't blame teenage girls for not wanting to have sex. Most teenage boys are fuckin' horrid.

I'd advise you to do yourself a favour and date older men instead, but then your mum would hunt me down and cut off my nuts, so I won't.

:laugh:

[HenryDorsetCase]

My daughter has been pressured by boyfriends and I have told her the same thing. She waited till she felt right about having sex and she has said she is very glad that she did. Sex should be fun, not something you have to feel pressured about, and if communication is open and honest, as opposed to complicating things, it will create even greater intimacy. Things get more complicated when people aren't open and honest, IMHO. Hang in there.... :clap:

It couldnt have hurt when you had the conversation with her boyfriends:

"Remember chump, I own a shotgun and a shovel: you won't be missed"

:D

[alanzs]

It couldnt have hurt when you had the conversation with her boyfriends:

"Remember chump, I own a shotgun and a shovel: you won't be missed"

:D

There was always a rule that the guy HAD to come in side and meet me. The meeting meant, and my daughter was aware, that he had to look me in the eye and shake my hand. If he couldn't do that, he wouldn't last long. My daughter used to hate when I told her that was the rule of dating, but very quickly she used it to weed out any turds that wanted to be involved with her.
I told one guy who was a bit of a smart ass that my daughter was the most precious thing in my life and I'd have no compulsion killing anyone who harmed her, in any way. I said it totally straight faced and then turned and walked out of the room. Later she told me he apparently got so freaked out, she said he didn't want to leave the house. After that everything was "Hello Sir, thank you Sir." We both laughed about that one.
Gotta take care of the ones we love! :yes:

[BIHB@0610]

Oh brilliant actually- no sex=zero population growth.

Same result with up the bum - no babies .......:devil2:

[Mom]

Gotta take care of the ones we love! :yes:

We sure do! My eldest daughter, maybe 15 at the time had this boyfriend who used to leave these huge hickeys on her neck (that is the teenager sex without having sex thing I think) anyway... I told them both I thought it looked trashy and revolting and to at least put them somewhere where they could not be seen! :o In the end I used to take this lad out to the kitchen, open the pantry and get out the bread and peanut butter and offer him a sandwich if he was that hungry...LOL

Honest and open with your kids is the secret, respect follows no problem. Building their self esteem is the key here, if they respect themselves and have your support they will be fine :yes:


Same result with up the bum - no babies .......:devil2:

You seen those friggen religious zealots in the States? They take these no sex/celibicy pacts and even have a bit of a ceremony complete with a ring to say they wont have sex before marriage. These kids have anal sex at the drop of a hat, because in theory the hymen is intact therefore a technical virgin can go to the alter......Sickos!

I prefer the open, honest approach myself.

[alanzs]

Bill Clinton said it incredibly well. Anything other than vaginal penetration isn't sex! :sweatdrop

[alanzs]

We sure do! My eldest daughter, maybe 15 at the time had this boyfriend who used to leave these huge hickeys on her neck (that is the teenager sex without having sex thing I think) anyway... I told them both I thought it looked trashy and revolting and to at least put them somewhere where they could not be seen! :o In the end I used to take this lad out to the kitchen, open the pantry and get out the bread and peanut butter and offer him a sandwich if he was that hungry...LOL

Honest and open with your kids is the secret, respect follows no problem. Building their self esteem is the key here, if they respect themselves and have your support they will be fine :yes:



You seen those friggen religious zealots in the States? They take these no sex/celibicy pacts and even have a bit of a ceremony complete with a ring to say they wont have sex before marriage. These kids have anal sex at the drop of a hat, because in theory the hymen is intact therefore a technical virgin can go to the alter......Sickos!

I prefer the open, honest approach myself.

Amen sister! You're absolutely right! What flips me out is kids get pregnant and think nothing of it. They forget that if you can get pregnant, you can get AIDS along with a whole alphabet soup of sexually transmitted diseases. Unwanted kids are enough to deal with, but other stuff kills!

Honest and open is the only way to go. Anything else is just a life waster. :niceone:

[Owl]

its a funny thing sex......i have mates that wouldent shag a lady for a few weeks after knowing them.have to get to know them 1st..bla bla
iam a bit different ......

Funny you should mention that. I was a bit that way inclined and preferred to form an emotional bond before doing the wild thing. Though from my experience, the jump right in the sack relationships have all worked out better for me. I think deep down I never really wanted that "good girl" and actually prefer a chick that's been around the block a few times. They know what they want and have no trouble asking for it! Works out for everyone!:2thumbsup

[alanzs]

Funny you should mention that. I was a bit that way inclined and preferred to form an emotional bond before doing the wild thing. Though from my experience, the jump right in the sack relationships have all worked out better for me. I think deep down I never really wanted that "good girl" and actually prefer a chick that's been around the block a few times. They know what they want and have no trouble asking for it! Works out for everyone!:2thumbsup

I'm not trying to be the romantic and my wife doesn't read this, but I've been married for 15 years and it gets better all the time. No holes(?) barred, full on sex is the only way to go. It's even better when you love her. Love lets that inner "slut" come screaming out, again and again and again! Its all part of that open and honest thing. :rockon:

Unfortunately, some people, due to cultural upbringing, etc., spend so much time and energy saying "NO" that "YES" doesn't happen easily (if at all) and they are stuck in "NO" mode and therefore are unfulfilled, literally.

[Number One]

I'm not trying to be the romantic and my wife doesn't read this, but I've been married for 15 years and it gets better all the time. No holes(?) barred, full on sex is the only way to go. It's even better when you love her. Love lets that inner "slut" come screaming out, again and again and again! Its all part of that open and honest thing. :rockon:
OOOO I concur :lol: Inner slut never even existed before Sully :love: :whistle:

[Pedrostt500]

I consider my sex life like a roman road, Old and Straight,



and Last Laid by the Romans.

[sidecar bob]

Same result with up the bum - no babies .......:devil2:

:buggerd::2thumbsup

[SixPackBack]

Same result with up the bum - no babies .......:devil2:

Uuurgh......rather go without thanks!

[Pussy]

Uuurgh......rather go without thanks!

So you're off for a sandwich, then? :bleh:

[Her_C4]

OK so I just watched part of the latest installment ...

(for those of you who haven't read the thread subject, or alternatively read the thread and didn't understand - we are still talking about S.E.X. - so 'as you were'.....)


AND I can report that according to the latest - the answer is???????

Out of the goodness of your heart, you give your partner permission to have sex with a mutual acquaintance, purely on the basis that she was attracted to him on some level.

BUT WAIT - there is more...;)

She still loves him - its just sex after all.:sweatdrop

Bet you are all glad I bought this up- what the hell else would yoiu have done without the guidance that this thread content (9 Pages!!!:calm:) has bought you ....:eek5::hug:

I believe my work here is done.....:beer::2thumbsup

[enigma51]

Uuurgh......rather go without thanks!

You can be rossi bro!

[enigma51]

OK so I just watched part of the latest installment ...

(for those of you who haven't read the thread subject, or alternatively read the thread and didn't understand - we are still talking about S.E.X. - so 'as you were'.....)


AND I can report that according to the latest - the answer is???????

Out of the goodness of your heart, you give your partner permission to have sex with a mutual acquaintance, purely on the basis that she was attracted to him on some level.

BUT WAIT - there is more...;)

She still loves him - its just sex after all.:sweatdrop

Bet you are all glad I bought this up- what the hell else would yoiu have done without the guidance that this thread content (9 Pages!!!:calm:) has bought you ....:eek5::hug:

I believe my work here is done.....:beer::2thumbsup

Sounds to me like your horny and not getting any at home


cause after all its only sex

[Her_C4]

Sounds to me like your horny

ha ha ha and YOU get the prize for the first chap to respond with the predictable:2thumbsup:girlfight:

[Bikernereid]

OK so I just watched part of the latest installment ...

(for those of you who haven't read the thread subject, or alternatively read the thread and didn't understand - we are still talking about S.E.X. - so 'as you were'.....)


AND I can report that according to the latest - the answer is???????

Out of the goodness of your heart, you give your partner permission to have sex with a mutual acquaintance, purely on the basis that she was attracted to him on some level.

BUT WAIT - there is more...;)

She still loves him - its just sex after all.:sweatdrop

Bet you are all glad I bought this up- what the hell else would yoiu have done without the guidance that this thread content (9 Pages!!!:calm:) has bought you ....:eek5::hug:

I believe my work here is done.....:beer::2thumbsup

And when does she stop loving the hubby and decide that she can get all she wants from the attractive ssex buddy?

[LilSel]

A relationship without sex is like... well... friends lol!!

As hunter said to morgan tonight on shorties, you n gerald are just friends.
not really fair on morgan that gerald doesnt put out, esp as someone else interested who would lol!!! yes i watched it tonight lol!!

[Her_C4]

And when does she stop loving the hubby and decide that she can get all she wants from the attractive ssex buddy?

BUGGA.

Does that mean I still have to watch another episode or six???

he he he

Sorry but the whole thread moved a way away from the original musings..:jerry:

[oldrider]

There was always a rule that the guy HAD to come in side and meet me. The meeting meant, and my daughter was aware, that he had to look me in the eye and shake my hand. If he couldn't do that, he wouldn't last long. My daughter used to hate when I told her that was the rule of dating, but very quickly she used it to weed out any turds that wanted to be involved with her.
I told one guy who was a bit of a smart ass that my daughter was the most precious thing in my life and I'd have no compulsion killing anyone who harmed her, in any way. I said it totally straight faced and then turned and walked out of the room. Later she told me he apparently got so freaked out, she said he didn't want to leave the house. After that everything was "Hello Sir, thank you Sir." We both laughed about that one.
Gotta take care of the ones we love! :yes:

Oh he would hear you all right but nowhere near as loud as the little voice connected to his testicles which was only on mute while you were talking to him anyway!

It may not please you to think about it but daughters are wired up for sound from their own little bag of tricks down there too.

When those voices start talking up their little lines of patter and get synchronized, your shotgun is nothing but a distant memory!

You wouldn't have missed your own experiences of love and life, why should you deny your children theirs.

We can only warn them about the pitfalls and give them their freedom, our support and a place to come back to no matter what the outcome is, unconditionally.

Fortunately ours have made it and now we are watching theirs go through it and I can tell you, it gets more terrifying each time! :eek5: John.

[enigma51]

ha ha ha and YOU get the prize for the first chap to respond with the predictable:2thumbsup:girlfight:

of course
im a bloke
who will definitely not say no or i can wait :whistle:

[Winston001]

OK so I just watched part of the latest installment ...

(for those of you who haven't read the thread subject, or alternatively read the thread and didn't understand - we are still talking about S.E.X. - so 'as you were'.....)


AND I can report that according to the latest - the answer is???????

Out of the goodness of your heart, you give your partner permission to have sex with a mutual acquaintance, purely on the basis that she was attracted to him on some level.

BUT WAIT - there is more...;)

She still loves him - its just sex after all.:sweatdrop



Yeeessss....and directly after that I had a gentle discussion with my 14yr daughter pointing out that Shorty Street morals ain't exactly a good guideline. She must have been listening because she cautiously backed out of the room step by step as I explained.......:bye:

[Winston001]

As for the topic, marrying a chap to then discover he has no interest in sex at all.....it happens. Not often these days but there are shy couples who are nevertheless in love and wait for the honeymoon. At which point one discovers that sex just doesn't work for them.

There can be all sorts of reasons - physical pain, lack of lubrication, lack of gentleness, psychological barriers. Whatever, the person with the problem needs to get some help. The big difficulty is recognising it is a problem at all - the person who doesn't feel the sexual drive won't see any problem to fix.

In a normal marriage, sexual activity is expected and is part of a loving relationship. To accept no sex is a very big ask - and for 99% of couples, is a disaster. It will lead to bitterness, frustration, and probably infidelity. If the problem cannot be healed, get out.

Having said that, there are famous cases of platonic marriages where one person took lovers with the agreement of the other.

[Her_C4]

The big difficulty is recognising it is a problem at all - the person who doesn't feel the sexual drive won't see any problem to fix.

.

and therefore the concept of a new sexual orientation is borne - ergo the topic of this thread 'asexuality'....:2thumbsup

[Goblin]

and therefore the concept of a new sexual orientation is borne - ergo the topic of this thread 'asexuality'....:2thumbsupBut it's not new.

Coincidently, Dr Phil was all about sex today too. :rolleyes: Went from one extreme to the other. One woman had only ever had one orgasm, from oral stimulation, and was too scared to do it again. She was honest with her husband before they married, about being uninterested in sex, but he took that as a challenge.:clap:
The next one was asking if she was a nympho cos they were doing it on average six times a day! :gob: He got congratulated and she got told practice makes perfect.:lol:

[Pussy]

The next one was asking if she was a nympho cos they were doing it on average six times a day!

I reckon she just wanted to go on telly and skite about it

[Her_C4]

But it's not new.

No its not new at all - just been given a new name is all.:eek:


Coincidently, Dr Phil was all about sex today too. :rolleyes: Went from one extreme to the other. One woman had only ever had one orgasm, from oral stimulation, and was too scared to do it again. She was honest with her husband before they married, about being uninterested in sex, but he took that as a challenge.:clap:

Good GOD!! Wouldn't that be a potential disater in the making???:jerry:



The next one was asking if she was a nympho cos they were doing it on average six times a day! :gob: He got congratulated and she got told practice makes perfect.:lol:

Extremes - its all about extremes :doh:

[oldrider]

and therefore the concept of a new sexual orientation is borne - ergo the topic of this thread 'asexuality'....:2thumbsup

"A new sexual orientation" Don't kid your self, it could only be claimed as "new" before the first caveman said UGH! :doh: John.

[Number One]

'asexuality'....

Gerald just needs to discover the testosterone source within...he should come bucket racing :blip:

[SixPackBack]

Gerald just needs to discover the testosterone source within...he should come bucket racing :blip:

Gerald just needs to harden the fuck up!.
Dr SPB prescribes the following:

Spend a night in Auckland pub crawling
Get Really drunk
Pick-up a really slutty women
Travel to the Turkish cafe on K rd, order a donor kebab full of red meat and two short blacks. While consuming your snack smoke a hublee bublee and abuse the dodgy prossies and cross dresses traveling past.
Get into a punch-up with one of the cross dressers [keep it real!]
Find a rave or dance party
Dance all night with the slut. Drink lots of water to stabilise your alcoholic haze.
As day light returns take the slut up to the grave yard at the top of K rd.
Fuck her-hard, short and dirty.
Great advice, and from experience I can say the testosterone flows freely for some considerable time after the event.

[jrandom]

Great advice, and from experience I can say the testosterone flows freely for some considerable time after the event.

Actually, in all seriousness, both alcohol and sleep deprivation are terrible for a guy's testosterone levels.

A lifting session at the gym followed by a low-carb dinner and an early night would have lifted the ol' T-juice; that dissipated bender probably hammered it way down for several days.

Still sounds like fun but.

:laugh:

[SixPackBack]

Actually, in all seriousness, both alcohol and sleep deprivation are terrible for a guy's testosterone levels.

A lifting session at the gym followed by a low-carb dinner and an early night would have lifted the ol' T-juice; that dissipated bender probably hammered it way down for several days.

Still sounds like fun but.

:laugh:

In retrospect the punch-up was probably the clincher!

[Number One]

In retrospect the punch-up was probably the clincher!
I can't see Gerald getting into a rumble :lol: more like a :girlfight:

[alanzs]

One woman had only ever had one orgasm, from oral stimulation, and was too scared to do it again. She was honest with her husband before they married, about being uninterested in sex, but he took that as a challenge.:clap:

You didn't give the details, like she wasn't interested but was willing to change, but it sounds like a great example of how not to listen to your partner. When the person says they are not interested in sex, there should be no frustration from the other partner not getting any sex because they said they weren't interested right up front.
Its like when a guy/girl says right up front they aren't interested in a committed relationship or wanting to have sex. Time goes on and the other person gets all upset. They said it right up front. I guess it gets back to listening to what people say, being honest and open. :hug:

[jrandom]

Its like when a guy/girl says right up front they aren't interested in a committed relationship or wanting to have sex. Time goes on and the other person gets all upset...

Heh, that goes both ways.

I once dated a girl who rabbited on about how she wasn't interested in 'anything serious'.

OK, I thought, fair call, good to be open about such things, etc.

So one day some, uh, stuff came up and I found it expedient to say bye-bye, and golly gosh, you shoulda seen the waterworks turn on! I guess she was a bit more interested in 'anything serious' than she'd let on.

Nothing like people giving themselves a little lesson about being honest, eh?

<_<

[ManDownUnder]

Dr SPB prescribes the following:


... and they say romance is dead...:niceone:

[fire eyes]

I believe the relationships we have, are the relationships we feel we deserve at that time.

[enigma51]

I believe the relationships we have, are the relationships we feel we deserve at that time.

I deserve more SEX!

[SixPackBack]

I deserve more SEX!

Well have you asked your right hand how it feels lately???..

[fire eyes]

Well have you asked your right hand how it feels lately???..

:shit: crackin up laughing

[alanzs]

Heh, that goes both ways.

I once dated a girl who rabbited on about how she wasn't interested in 'anything serious'.

OK, I thought, fair call, good to be open about such things, etc.

So one day some, uh, stuff came up and I found it expedient to say bye-bye, and golly gosh, you shoulda seen the waterworks turn on! I guess she was a bit more interested in 'anything serious' than she'd let on.

Nothing like people giving themselves a little lesson about being honest, eh?

<_<

Yeah, it does go both ways. But again, like you said, it's about being honest. Things change, no doubt, but if you ain't honest, what's the point? :doh:

[HenryDorsetCase]

One woman had only ever had one orgasm, from oral stimulation, and was too scared to do it again. ....l:

just because she didnt want that person coming near her again with his nine inch tongue and ability to breathe through his ears. any normal person would be OK..

who the fuck is scared of an orgasm, really? Americans thats who.... says a lot doesnt it? I blame the Labour government.

[jrandom]

who the fuck is scared of an orgasm, really?

I've seen one or two slightly disturbing ones.

[alanzs]

:shit: crackin up laughing


Well have you asked your right hand how it feels lately???..

Would "righty tighty, lefty loosey" be applicable? :2thumbsup

[SixPackBack]

just because she didnt want that person coming near her again with his nine inch tongue and ability to breathe through his ears. any normal person would be OK..

who the fuck is scared of an orgasm, really? Americans thats who.... says a lot doesnt it? I blame the Labour government.

Scared of an orgasm??....brother I'm scared of an erection, blood can only fill one head at a time:rolleyes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've seen one or two slightly disturbing ones.

oh really?

[Max Headroom]

As for the not trying before you buy there are still some God squad out there who do not advocate sex before marriage and some other behaviours too. Believe me I have 3 cousins who have been brought up 'knowing'/ being indoctrinated that sex before marriage is wrong/ a sin and as far as I know my poor uncle didn't get any before marrying his fruit loop bible bashing wife.

All I can say is I hope that the poor lads are happy waiting to get some once married and that thier partners are of the same ilk so that noone is disappointed!!

I can understand your opinion, and suspect that it is widely held. I wish to offer a counterpoint.

I was still a virgin on my wedding night. I was 23.

Yep, I avoided sex due to my faith. And twenty-five years later, my wife remains the only woman I have ever slept with. Do I have any regrets? Not when my wife tells me that my virginity/sexual purity remains the most precious gift I have ever given her. Even when I've done something dumb (fortunately quite rare these days!), she will still reflect on that gift and generally/eventually forgive me.

I had plenty of clues during our engagement to assure me that my future wife was equally keen on sex! Without those clues, I probably would have re-thought things.....

Virginity gets bad press these days, and is often derided in movies and popular culture. The truth is quite different. In my opinion, it demonstrates self-control in a tangible way and makes it easier to expect faithfulness and build sexual trust/integrity after the rings are exchanged.

Our physical relationship has fluctuated in frequency over the years, but it has always remained an important part of our marriage. If anything, our physical relationship is better now than it's ever been.

I guess the telling question would be: would I change things if I had the opportunity to do it all again?

No way.

YMMV etc

[BIHB@0610]

I've seen one or two slightly disturbing ones.

This thread is nothing without pics ......:drool:

[ManDownUnder]

Well have you asked your right hand how it feels lately???..

That's a bit callous...

[alanzs]

I can understand your opinion, and suspect that it is widely held. I wish to offer a counterpoint.

I was still a virgin on my wedding night. I was 23.

Yep, I avoided sex due to my faith.

Good on ya for sticking to your beliefs. You have to be true to yourself, IMHO.

I have a question, and please know I am not attacking yours or anyones beliefs. Why do many religious sects/denominations say not to have sex before marriage? I can understand the logic in the old days (pre-birth control) that you didn't want to have a bunch of kids, so abstinence was promoted and that you wanted to know who the father was for inheritance, support, etc. but other than that it seems more emotion/dogma based. Even in comparative religion courses I have taken, the answer always seems to get emotional as opposed to some other reason than those I mention above. As far as I ever saw, it wasn't in the ten commandments, which are the foundation for the whole Judeo/Christian/Islamic faiths.
I don't know much about Buddhism or other religions, as it goes.
Do you know? Again, I am not attacking you or anyones beliefs. As you'll note from my previous posts on this thread, I am all for standing by your values and beliefs, of which I have plenty of.
I have some good friends who are very religious and even when we have spoken of it they get all tweaked, like questioning isn't ok. Even "It's in the Bible and I believe it" would be a fine answer, I just never found that part in the bible, if its there. But, I may be wrong in how I interpreted it or didn't read it right. :eek5:
Thanks... :niceone:

[jrandom]

Why do many religious sects/denominations say not to have sex before marriage?

Wikipedia is your friend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_sexuality).

[alanzs]

Wikipedia is your friend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_sexuality).

Great link. Answered that question pretty well.

"The views of religions and religious believers range widely, from holding that sex and the flesh are evil to the belief that sex is the highest expression of the divine. Views on sexuality may not even be shared among adherents of a particular sect. Some religions distinguish between sexual activities that are practiced for biological reproduction (sometimes allowed only when in formal marital status and at a certain age), and other activities practiced for sexual pleasure as immoral.

Although a popular hypothesis holds that a high degree of societal religiosity correlates with lower rates of non-monogamous sexual activity, a 2005 summary of various studies found that rates of sexually transmitted diseases, abortion, and early adolescent pregnancy are in fact lower in secular societies."

Thanks... :shit:

[007XX]

That's a bit callous...

I would have said a bit hairy, but eh...

[Max Headroom]

I have some good friends who are very religious and even when we have spoken of it they get all tweaked, like questioning isn't ok. Even "It's in the Bible and I believe it" would be a fine answer, I just never found that part in the bible, if its there. But, I may be wrong in how I interpreted it or didn't read it right. :eek5:
Thanks... :niceone:

Yeah, you could call me "religious" I suppose. I have a faith, and no, I'm not bothered by questions. I occasionally stumble to answer clearly or concisely, so I can tend to waffle a bit until I eventually get to the point...

As far as scripture verses are concerned, I don't have any references to hand but there are verses in the new testament that refer to sexual self-control, and suggesting marriage if you are "burning with lust" or something similar. Promiscuity and adultery are predictably also no-no's. Sexual purity is a recurring theme.

Not everyone will agree with the choices I've made, and that's OK. I'm not suggesting it's for everyone, and frankly it's none of my business how others choose to live their lives. It worked for me, but I can see that it could potentially end in tears for others. Perhaps I hadn't made that clear enough with my earlier post, as I've noticed I've been red-blinged for it....

I simply offer my opinion on the premise that there is an alternative that avoids a lot of emotional and physical baggage being brought into a marriage.

About 80% of divorces end in marriage - to someone else. Of those remarriages, the biggest single reason for the subsequent marriage failing was unresolved issues from the previous relationship.

As far as sex is concerned, good sex is usually the product of a good relationship, not the reason. If areas of the relationship such as emotional needs, respect and trust are functioning well, and other areas such as finances, accommodation, jobs, family, and outside friendships are OK, then sex is usually very good. If good sex is one of only a few areas functioning well, then the relationship often doesn't last long.

As the yanks would say, your mileage may vary!

[alanzs]

Yeah, you could call me "religious" I suppose. I have a faith, and no, I'm not bothered by questions. I occasionally stumble to answer clearly or concisely, so I can tend to waffle a bit until I eventually get to the point...

As far as scripture verses are concerned, I don't have any references to hand but there are verses in the new testament that refer to sexual self-control, and suggesting marriage if you are "burning with lust" or something similar. Promiscuity and adultery are predictably also no-no's. Sexual purity is a recurring theme.

Not everyone will agree with the choices I've made, and that's OK. I'm not suggesting it's for everyone, and frankly it's none of my business how others choose to live their lives. It worked for me, but I can see that it could potentially end in tears for others. Perhaps I hadn't made that clear enough with my earlier post, as I've noticed I've been red-blinged for it....

I simply offer my opinion on the premise that there is an alternative that avoids a lot of emotional and physical baggage being brought into a marriage.

About 80% of divorces end in marriage - to someone else. Of those remarriages, the biggest single reason for the subsequent marriage failing was unresolved issues from the previous relationship.

As far as sex is concerned, good sex is usually the product of a good relationship, not the reason. If areas of the relationship such as emotional needs, respect and trust are functioning well, and other areas such as finances, accommodation, jobs, family, and outside friendships are OK, then sex is usually very good. If good sex is one of only a few areas functioning well, then the relationship often doesn't last long.

As the yanks would say, your mileage may vary!

Thanks for sharing your views, I do appreciate it. I do tend to think that many people that don't have a good "moral compass" end up with a lot of baggage that they bring into relationships and carry around with them in their lives which may keep them from functioning to their highest potential. What a good "moral compass" is is totally subjective, which makes free choice, logic and life, so interesting.

As a "yank" I thought I'd share this with you as well:
What's a Yankee? The same as a quickie, but a guy does it alone... :laugh:

[Mom]

As far as sex is concerned, good sex is usually the product of a good relationship, not the reason.

So true! Dont worry about the knockers, each to their own is my motto.



As a "yank" I thought I'd share this with you as well:
What's a Yankee? The same as a quickie, but a guy does it alone... :laugh:


As a Canadian :blip: I found that very funny :clap:

[Max Headroom]

Thanks for sharing your views, I do appreciate it. I do tend to think that many people that don't have a good "moral compass" end up with a lot of baggage that they bring into relationships and carry around with them in their lives which may keep them from functioning to their highest potential.

I agree with you about the baggage in our lives. We all have it, and we drag it around with us, sometimes grizzling about it, other times resigning ourselves to it as "our lot". If it gets really bad we might do something about it under duress......

My baggage wasn't from previous relationships or marriages, since I never seriously dated anyone else before meeting my wife. Mine was from my upbringing, my culture, my parents, all sorts of things. These things all affected my relationship with my wife in subtle (and not so subtle!) ways by influencing my attitudes and expectations. Those things are mostly now either dealt with or under some control, although perhaps my wife would be a better judge of that!!

And thanks Mom for your encouragement!

[jrandom]

Dont worry about the knockers...

You're an arse man too?

Sorry, I'll get my coat...

[Mom]

You're an arse man too?

Sorry, I'll get my coat...

Trust you :D

Actually I do like bottoms...but I am rather partial to boobs too :innocent:

Guess which one is me?

[Number One]

Guess which one is me?
Sully wants to know if you are the one with the smallest cock? :lol:

[The Lone Rider]

My last gf I felt that way about...

So maybe you can be attached to someone for their support and personality, but not neccessarily have the urg to grab them and let them know in no uncertain terms you want it and want it now!

[Winston001]

I have a question, and please know I am not attacking yours or anyones beliefs. Why do many religious sects/denominations say not to have sex :Offtopic:before marriage? I can understand the logic in the old days (pre-birth control) that you didn't want to have a bunch of kids, so abstinence was promoted and that you wanted to know who the father was for inheritance, support, etc. but other than that it seems more emotion/dogma based.

The deeper answer is that as social structures have evolved, so have rules developed to bring stability to the structure. In prehistory a tribe of 12 people were an extended family and didn't need many rules. But when tribes became large, and then villages arose, it became important to know your wife was bearing your child. You wouldn't want to raise another man's genetic offspring.

Sexual restriction also meant a woman, tied down with child rearing, could rely upon her husband to keep coming back to her if he wasn't allowed to be sexually active elsewhere.

It also yielded a more peaceful and stable community because men could go hunting secure in the knowledge their wives weren't making merry with other men. Wives felt more secure knowing their husbands couldn't easily find a replacement.

Primitive religion was the method of generating rules (laws), just as religions seek to teach moral laws today.

All part of evolutionary psychology.

[alanzs]

Mom - Glad you liked the "Yankee" joke. My Dad was from Toronto, so I am half-Canadian! The sensible half, as my wife has told me on so many occasions... :spanking:

[BALZYBUELL]

ALL THIS TALK OF NO SEX IS JUST FREAKING ME OUT:eek5:

[Her_C4]

ALL THIS TALK OF NO SEX IS JUST FREAKING ME OUT:eek5:

ha ha ha - not getting any???? don't yell, your frustration is showing :dodge:

I can't give you an update on the programme that started all this as I haven't watched it all over the past couple of weeks!!! :baby::banana: