Running from the Law

[Paul in NZ]

I can't be arsed finding ALL the previous threads on this... (hey I did try - honest)

If you still think this is a cool idea, go buy the latest BIKE magazine. The one with the 2005 'New Metal' feature.

They took a couple of sports bikes, a Police ST 1300 and a Police car to the testing track and let them have at it. The results were surprising! A bit of a worry actually!

It's a reasonably balanced article (IMHO).

I would not try it myself as just imagine running from the law on my Guzzi! Ha Ha! :wacko: The tension would cause me to do somma daft and I would end up in a hospital bed and be banned!

Mind you. The long arm of the law might laugh so hard they could forget to give me a ticket!

Paul N

[Deano]

They took a couple of sports bikes, a Police ST 1300 and a Police car to the testing track and let them have at it. The results were surprising! A bit of a worry actually!
Paul N

Is it really comparable though ? Factor in traffic, alleyways and the attitude of the runner and it could be a whole different ballgame.

So what were the results anyway ?

[Paul in NZ]

Is it really comparable though ? Factor in traffic, alleyways and the attitude of the runner and it could be a whole different ballgame.

So what were the results anyway ?

Well the point the Police made was the opposite! They pointed out that the track was not really fair because it is relatively one dimensional. Traffic, road conditions, stress etc etc all add up in their favour on the road. Add in the training and the experience (one guy a veteran of 60 chases)and the odds are stacked in their favour.

As for the results... I'll have to look it up tonight but the police riders were faster on the ST than the run of the mill joe public on CBR600's and an Aprilia (I think) and only 0.1 of a sec off the fastest time when riding the magazines Fireblade.

The big shock to all was how fast the Opel Omega (3.2V6) patrol car was. Only a couple of sec's off the pace.

You should read the whole piece but the conclusion basically was the longer the chase the more likely you are to get nailed! Once the chopper has you! Phht!

Paul N

[**R1**]

Is it really comparable though ? Factor in traffic, alleyways and the attitude of the runner and it could be a whole different ballgame.

So what were the results anyway ?
yeah when you factor in that a bike is less than a meter wide and a car is over 2m, 0-100 on a bike is around 3sec's and a fast car is ???? guessing here but i would say 6-7sec's i think i will still take my chances doing a runner

[**R1**]

Well the point the Police made was the opposite! They pointed out that the track was not really fair because it is relatively one dimensional. Traffic, road conditions, stress etc etc all add up in their favour on the road. Add in the training and the experience (one guy a veteran of 60 chases)and the odds are stacked in their favour.

As for the results... I'll have to look it up tonight but the police riders were faster on the ST than the run of the mill joe public on CBR600's and an Aprilia (I think) and only 0.1 of a sec off the fastest time when riding the magazines Fireblade.

The big shock to all was how fast the Opel Omega (3.2V6) patrol car was. Only a couple of sec's off the pace.

You should read the whole piece but the conclusion basically was the longer the chase the more likely you are to get nailed! Once the chopper has you! Phht!

Paul N
I have seen a GSXRthou on TV 2up out run a chopper, very impresive :niceone: , but here i dont think our roads are long enough :argh:

[Coldkiwi]

Well the point the Police made was the opposite! They pointed out that the track was not really fair because it is relatively one dimensional. Traffic, road conditions, stress etc etc all add up in their favour on the road. Add in the training and the experience (one guy a veteran of 60 chases)and the odds are stacked in their favour.



One COULD argue that habitual lane splitters (quite possibly those most likely to do a runner in traffic) train every day! How often do our police biking cops get to go mad crazy through the traffic without getting in trouble? I imagine the average cage driver would get all bent out of shape if the constabulary took to lane splitting like some of us do (i'm innocent really), given that they're supposed to be model citizens right?

And I guess motovation has to come into it. Does the runner want to get away more than the bike cop wants to really risk his life getting him?

Stress is a good point though. I've never had to try (may that remain so) but stories from others here indicates that the adrenaline can certainly cause the normal skill and judgement levels to go AWOL

[Paul in NZ]

One COULD argue that habitual lane splitters (quite possibly those most likely to do a runner in traffic) train every day! How often do our police biking cops get to go mad crazy through the traffic without getting in trouble? I imagine the average cage driver would get all bent out of shape if the constabulary took to lane splitting like some of us do (i'm innocent really), given that they're supposed to be model citizens right?

And I guess motovation has to come into it. Does the runner want to get away more than the bike cop wants to really risk his life getting him?

Stress is a good point though. I've never had to try (may that remain so) but stories from others here indicates that the adrenaline can certainly cause the normal skill and judgement levels to go AWOL

Look I did not really want to launch into this but given the airing the topic had I though people might like to go look at the article for some hard data.

I think most HP effectively train every day by doing the job plus they are far more used to moving through traffic in a stressfull condition faster than the other traffic. (plus the traffic tends to get out of their way) Factor in that they have nothing to lose as it's not their car and it matters not to them if they get you or not and i think they have a decided advantage!

Paul N

[madboy]

The outcome of a pursuit is based as much on luck as it is on the pursuer or pursuee. Each pursuit is based on a set of variables that are 20 pages long and swing in either parties favour. Some goodie good gets your plate, some dropkick cuts you off, you get too cocky and headbutt the road, the 5-0 can't drive, oh shit - you strike the one in 100 5-0 that can drive!!! Variables a mile long.

In general I think it's fair to say the bike has a performance advantage (good point about width!!) but get a good wind blowing or a wet road, who's gonna be split then?

The bike mag was from UK? I understand the UK cops, particularly the specialist traffic guys, have a much much higher standard of training than our guys. No disrespect to the NZ guys, but many of them just aren't up to the mark to be engaging in high speed pursuits. And their cars aren't necessarily that hot either.

I heard there was going to be some training and rating system put in place to rate both the officer and the vehicle. Like the highway patrol (and their cars) would be rated to chase, but the out of practice prison escort guy in his van wouldn't, etc etc... Don't know what came of that.

[Coldkiwi]

I think most HP effectively train every day by doing the job plus they are far more used to moving through traffic in a stressfull condition faster than the other traffic. (plus the traffic tends to get out of their way) Factor in that they have nothing to lose as it's not their car and it matters not to them if they get you or not and i think they have a decided advantage!

Paul N

you reckon? when was the last time you sat on the motorway and saw a cop on a bike come flying past so fast you thought 'crazy bastard!' Now I'm sure we've all seen a sports bike (or hells angel harley) doing that at least once.
Given the weapon of choice for flying through traffic, I'd certainly be chosing a light weight high performance sports bike over a and heavy BMW1150 or ST1300 and in all honesty, who wouldn't??

[scumdog]

yeah when you factor in that a bike is less than a meter wide and a car is over 2m, 0-100 on a bike is around 3sec's and a fast car is ???? guessing here but i would say 6-7sec's i think i will still take my chances doing a runner

Keep taking your chances pal, one day the chance will take you!!

And it takes a whole lot less to arse up a scoot when things go wrong. :(

[Blakamin]

yeah when you factor in that a bike is less than a meter wide and a car is over 2m, 0-100 on a bike is around 3sec's and a fast car is ???? guessing here but i would say 6-7sec's i think i will still take my chances doing a runner
So you do those speeds around corners in full traffic?? FUCK OFF!!!! you can lane split ... where in NZ???... how many roads are full of 2 lane traffic??? there's still something that was told to me in the '80s... you can't outrun motorola.... think about it....
I'd love to see you ride from wellington to levin and back at 5 pm friday with a cop car chasing you....
I take back what I said... you're still a dick


sorry for the hijack Paul!

[NC]

I've done it...
Got away with it...
The last time I did it, I didn't even know that I was being chased until I got told wayyyyyy down the road :sly: :unsure:



Blakamin....
That's some crazy shit if you can do that, at those times :crazy: :sick:

[Blakamin]

Blakamin....
That's some crazy shit if you can do that, at those times :crazy: :sick:
crazy shit if you can do 100 at that time... on a bike or in a cage... and the trucks would soon fuck him if he thought he could "lane split" in manakau or ohau or even the bends after otaki.... glad I dont have to wipe bikers up for a living...

(having a bitch coz I nearly ran some stupid c*nt over in barbie van at 9.30 lastnight thinking he could overtake me at 130 on a bend.... missed the dick by inches when he pulled in front to avoid Kenworth comning the other way)

[mangell6]

How fast do radio waves travel at???

Running from the law is like gambling at the casino, the odds are always in favour of the house.

[Coldkiwi]

I'd love to see you ride from wellington to levin and back at 5 pm friday with a cop car chasing you....


hey, the heavier the traffic, the more advantage the bike has! Have you not tried following an emergency vehicle through rush hour? I feel bad about overtaking them but sometimes they really go so slow waiting for people to pull over!

besides, you only need to outrun the motorola for as long as they know where you are as soon as he's put 500m of motorway in between them, what are the odds of figuring out which off ramp, which arterial route and which side street you've dissappeared down?

[Blakamin]

hey, the heavier the traffic, the more advantage the bike has! Have you not tried following an emergency vehicle through rush hour? I feel bad about overtaking them but sometimes they really go so slow waiting for people to pull over!


lol... you can try to beat the traffic all ya like on that road...
McKays crossing.... like to see that...
every passing lane has cops on it between paremata and otaki... you could do 200...till the next passing lane... I welcome you down here to try it..... it IS SH1 ... it is 1 lane each way tyhat does 60kph for 100kms... cept the passing lanes... did ya know they close passing lanes there on holidays coz it saves accidents??? still loaded with HP tho... when ya come to try it, you can stay here... unless the cops ask when they get ya........

[spudchucka]

How often do our police biking cops get to go mad crazy through the traffic without getting in trouble? I imagine the average cage driver would get all bent out of shape if the constabulary took to lane splitting like some of us do (i'm innocent really), given that they're supposed to be model citizens right.
Lights and sirens help, some people still get out of your way.

[Skyryder]

At worst if you stop you lose your licence. At worst if you do not stop you lose your life. Thems the choices. Anyone want to play Russian roulette? :ar15: :ar15:
Skyryder

[Blackbird]

....... and never again. My riding turned to crap because of all the adrenaline sloshing about and I was lucky to get away with it. I was shaking so badly when I finally stopped that I could hardly hold the bike up. Definitely not a clever thing to do.

I think it was in the same article that was referred to here or maybe in Performance Bikes that a couple of exerienced bike cops on police bikes had a go on a race track against "average" riders on sports bikes. The results were very close indeed, with the cops beating some sports riders. Given that I'm a strictly average rider, I wouldn't be game to push my luck with a bike cop even with more horsepower. :disapint:

[matthewt]

Once the chopper has you! Phht!

Best way to outrun a police chopper is head for the nearest airport. The chopper has to pretty much give it in as it can't cross the flight path. MV owner I know in LA did this. It took him a while to figure out what stopped the chopper but hiding in the LAX carpark probably did it.

[WINJA]

I can't be arsed finding ALL the previous threads on this... (hey I did try - honest)

If you still think this is a cool idea, go buy the latest BIKE magazine. The one with the 2005 'New Metal' feature.

They took a couple of sports bikes, a Police ST 1300 and a Police car to the testing track and let them have at it. The results were surprising! A bit of a worry actually!

It's a reasonably balanced article (IMHO).

I would not try it myself as just imagine running from the law on my Guzzi! Ha Ha! :wacko: The tension would cause me to do somma daft and I would end up in a hospital bed and be banned!

Mind you. The long arm of the law might laugh so hard they could forget to give me a ticket!

Paul N
WHEN I WAS IN AUS SOME OF THE BIKE GUYS I SPOKE TO THERE SAID THE COMODORES SUPPLIED BY HOLDEN FOR THE POLICE WERE AS QUICK AS MOST SPORTSBIKES I CANT VERIFY THAT , BUT ID DID READ SOMETHING IN AUSSIE AND SAW THE COPIES OF TICKETS A DUDE ON A ZX10 FLAT ON THE TANK FLAT OUT IN TOP GEAR WENT PAST A COP SITTING STATIONARY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE COP CAUGHT HIM FROM A STANDING START WITHIN 3 MINUTES. I DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING I READ BUT FARK THAT. MY NEIGHBOUR IN MELBOURNE WAS A COP I COULD TELL WHEN HE WAS COMING HOME , HE DROVE A SLAMMED PEARL WHITE COMMODORE .
IM STILL HAPPY TO DO RUNNERS WHEN I WENT TO PUKE I WAS STILL WAY WAY FASTER THAN ANY STREET CAR DURING TESTING DAYS.

[StoneChucker]

Don't police have to give up the chase at 130km/h? Even if they don't: If you pass a car with laser at say 150, and then gun it on a new sports bike, you'll be doing 250 in seconds. By the time the cop has put his laser on the seat, started the car and pulled out from his spot, even accelerating in a ferrari, he'd have to do well over 300 to catch you anytime soon. Obviously, you'd want to take the NEAREST exit and lay low for a while. I think in alot of situations, you'd get away with it.

Would I try do a runner? I doubt it, but you do stupid things in the heat of the moment. I'd probably carry on at the speed I was doing, or a little faster, until he was behind me with his lights on, and I'd pull over straight away. If he never got behind me then good luck to me. I'd obviously make a few unplanned turns, and have a coffee stop earlier than usual, but I wouldn't lane split, and tear up the road trying to get away.

Am I wrong for thinking like this? (as in pull over IF he gets behind me and signals me to do so)?

[StoneChucker]

I don't usually speed lol. 95% of the time I'm riding at a legal speed. So it really wouldn't be a factor for me.

[enigma51]

CK when you ever get a chance to speak to kk's dad you must ask him how many times he would be chacing down someone on the bike (sirens going lights on the whole cop thing) and someone will decide to switch from the lane next to him into his lane at the moment he is about to pass them. Let just say if I was a cop on bike lane splitting would be done without the lights and sirens it just seem to attract idiots.

But in any case I never exceeded the speed limit and have never done lane splitting Honest!

[spudchucka]

Don't police have to give up the chase at 130km/h? No!


Am I wrong for thinking like this? (as in pull over IF he gets behind me and signals me to do so)?Well, thats what the law says you must do in that situation.

If you know you are being pursued you are technically failing to stop, however if you can't see the lights behind you, (because they are a kilometre back) then it would be hard to prove that charge in court. If you stop immediately once you are aware of the patrol car behind you, indicating for you to stop, then you would have a good chance of defending failing to stop. However, if you are eventually stopped you would have a shit show of defending dangerous driving. Your choice.

[DEATH_INC.]

You must pick your times to run....if you're doing 120 and the coppers going your way you'd be pretty stupid......but if you're doing 180 ish and the copper's going the other direction then you're in with a chance.You're still stupid if you just try to outrun him though,you need to loose him quick and then hide for a bit,but get your phone out(or something)so if he finds you you can say you pulled over to answer your phone,or whatever,not that you're hiding.....if he's still onto you after more than a k or so best to give up before you run outta luck,just remember to have a good excuse ready for failing to stop.NEVER admit to running.
Most of the time you're better to just stop and take it,especially for minor offences(speeding etc),the only time I run is when I know I'm in deep shit already....
The only other bit of advice I'll give is if you're not feeling comfortable and you're riding over your head/out of control, STOP......it's not worth dying or killing someone else just to avoid a ticket/fine/loss of licence......though if they're gonna take your bike.....

[DEATH_INC.]

No!

Well, thats what the law says you must do in that situation.

If you know you are being pursued you are technically failing to stop, however if you can't see the lights behind you, (because they are a kilometre back) then it would be hard to prove that charge in court. If you stop immediately once you are aware of the patrol car behind you, indicating for you to stop, then you would have a good chance of defending failing to stop. However, if you are eventually stopped you would have a shit show of defending dangerous driving. Your choice.
Yep,I've pulled this one off,ran from one and got stopped by another further up the road(didn't hide after I got away....lesson learnt)who I stopped for with no hesitation,then denied knowing the first was after me....oh yeah,still got charged with'driving at a dangerous speed' though...

[Motu]

You old guys are just so full of shit - I seen Trinity cuttin up traffic real fast on a Duke,she made those Agents look like fat pigs...man,that chick can ride eh?

[Paul in NZ]

Folks...

Spend some dosh, read the article.. Thats all I was bringing up!

Paul N

[**R1**]

So you do those speeds around corners in full traffic?? FUCK OFF!!!! you can lane split ... where in NZ???... how many roads are full of 2 lane traffic??? there's still something that was told to me in the '80s... you can't outrun motorola.... think about it....
I'd love to see you ride from wellington to levin and back at 5 pm friday with a cop car chasing you....
I take back what I said... you're still a dick


sorry for the hijack Paul!
what speeds are you making referance to? i lane split every day, yes a radio is dam fast but you should already be gone...if its going to take more than a minute to lose the copper then pull over coz ya going to get caught, and thank god i dont live in welly then aye.

[**R1**]

crazy shit if you can do 100 at that time... on a bike or in a cage... and the trucks would soon fuck him if he thought he could "lane split" in manakau or ohau or even the bends after otaki.... glad I dont have to wipe bikers up for a living...

(having a bitch coz I nearly ran some stupid c*nt over in barbie van at 9.30 lastnight thinking he could overtake me at 130 on a bend.... missed the dick by inches when he pulled in front to avoid Kenworth comning the other way)
dude i havnt ridn up that way so im not real sure where ya talking....way easy down here...i guess there is a BIG difference between Nth and Sth island.

[vifferman]

Spend some dosh, read the article..
No!
I won't.

[Sniper]

No!
I won't.

Oh but please, it goes to helping the poor disabled sissy boy in bosnia

[Blakamin]

You old guys are just so full of shit - I seen Trinity cuttin up traffic real fast on a Duke,she made those Agents look like fat pigs...man,that chick can ride eh?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[T.I.E]

would i run? don't know. have i run? well i aint gonna answer that. but i will say if i'm doing over 150 and the conditions are good hell yes. but thats a big if. mind you the conditions are gonna be good if i am going to go anywhere near 150 anyhow. and if i know the road. thats a big if. too many factors to take into account. road conditions weather traffic time.

[Biff]

Re' UK Traffic cops - they are far better trained that Kiwi cops. Only specialist pursuit units (class 1) can chase you and these guys are superb drivers. Normal cops in cars can't chase you, they can only turn their lights on, speed up a bit (class 3) and radio for backup - which can be quite fun.....especially if you have a radio scanner or even better a transmitter (ever pretend you're a cop and give wrong directions over the radio during a police pursuit? - me neither :devil2: ) and a good sense of direction.

Re' buying Ride - shan't it's wank. I prefer BIKE

Anything else anybody like me to comment on? I'm feeling like a right old rant...must be because I got the pegs down on a VFR800 over the weekend in the Buller pass - woooohoooo. That testosterone, it's a funny thing.

[Coldkiwi]

CK when you ever get a chance to speak to kk's dad you must ask him how many times he would be chacing down someone on the bike (sirens going lights on the whole cop thing) and someone will decide to switch from the lane next to him into his lane at the moment he is about to pass them. Let just say if I was a cop on bike lane splitting would be done without the lights and sirens it just seem to attract idiots.


thats exactly my point (I don't envy him in that situation)! a lot of cagers seem to freak when they hear sirens/lights (course, just as many of them just keep on goin till they're really holding things up!) and I for one would rather use something like black 250cc sports bike than a big bright, siren and light flashing St1300 if I had to get through traffic in a huge hurry.

[madboy]

I apologise to those who will read these comments and be offended - nothing personal guys/girls. And I do accept that some of you will be the people to mop up the mess after people with my attitudes get it wrong.

Fact is, from my experience, I can say that if the odds are in favour of the house then I should start gambling with money - I'd be retired by xmas. Is that because I was careful in evaluating the conditions before deciding to place my bet, or was that because I was just lucky? Who knows - I'd like to say I was smart, but I know it was a bit of both. I'm sure you will each have differing views on that.

Why debate a car vs bike in traffic? From an objective point of view I can't see how, all things being equal, the car would have a hope in hell. The subjective factors, like the rider and driver (not just the cop) will decide the outcome.

[Mongoose]

Them that run have to be lucky ALL the time, the cop that chases only has to be lucky ONCE :Punk: :shit:

[Blakamin]

Why debate a car vs bike in traffic? From an objective point of view I can't see how, all things being equal, the car would have a hope in hell. The subjective factors, like the rider and driver (not just the cop) will decide the outcome.
the point I was trying to make was that in traffic, a radio is gunna be quicker than any bike... especially on the roads that we have around here. rail crossings, skinny roads and silly fukkas in cages that do 70 in 100 zones will slow down any bike and car but not the radio or the cop 5ks up the road

[marty]

i've had about a dozen decent pursuits chasing bikes. the only one that got away was a duke, which i kept up - and alongside a couple of times - with for 80 kilometres (it was night time on country roads) got away when we got into a rural waikato town, and he started blowing through stop signs at 160km/h. i had guys waiting at his house for him, but he didn't come home for a month - we thought (hoped) he had fallen off and killed himself somewhere, but he eventually turned up, claiming he had no knowledge, and that the bike had probably been taken from his house by an 'associate' and that he had no idea who that 'associate' would be. usually wouldn't be enough of an excuse, but considering the pedigree of some of his 'associates', it would have been an impossible task (they all rode non japanese bikes if you know what i mean). still, if you want to waste a month........

ALL the other pursuits have ended in running out of gas, road spikes, mr motorola, a door knock or a crash.

just hope that your pursuer isn't a biker, and recognises your machine......

[Krusti]

I never run, but have no qualms with outsmarting, out thinking cops. Now thats fun when you are face to face, they suspect it was you but not able to be proven. Who me Orificer? :whistle:

Otherwise I accept that I speed, I make donation to Govt Consolidated fund. Wouldnt mind if they used the money from fines for road upgrades, driver ed or something....Another story!

[scumdog]

I never run, but have no qualms with outsmarting, out thinking cops. Now thats fun when you are face to face, they suspect it was you but not able to be proven. Who me Orificer? :whistle:

Otherwise I accept that I speed, I make donation to Govt Consolidated fund. Wouldnt mind if they used the money from fines for road upgrades, driver ed or something....Another story!

Goes both ways pal, after seeing some act of idiocy or crime happen right on front of you there is nothing better than let some bozo tell you a whole Baron von Munchousen bullshit story and saying 'is that right?' a half dozen times and he assuring you it is - then saying 'well while I was WATCHING you it didn't seem that way to me' , the look on their face when they realise you knew all along what happened is PRICELESS. :2thumbsup

No wonder they think we're arseholes. :bleh:

[spudchucka]

Only specialist pursuit units (class 1) can chase you and these guys are superb drivers. Normal cops in cars can't chase you, they can only turn their lights on, speed up a bit (class 3) and radio for backup
You're just a wee tad short of the truth there biff baff.

There is a policy being implimented that will prevent some police drivers from engaging in pursuits. It hasn't yet taken effect and quite frankly if a person can't make the grade for pursuits they should reconsider their career options.

[Biff]

You're just a wee tad short of the truth there biff baff.

There is a policy being implimented that will prevent some police drivers from engaging in pursuits. It hasn't yet taken effect and quite frankly if a person can't make the grade for pursuits they should reconsider their career options.

I beg to differ, what I've just stated is absolute fact. I am talking about UK traffic cops here, not Kiwi H.P.

I love being right :spudbooge :spudbooge :spudbooge

[**R1**]

You're just a wee tad short of the truth there biff baff.

There is a policy being implimented that will prevent some police drivers from engaging in pursuits. It hasn't yet taken effect and quite frankly if a person can't make the grade for pursuits they should reconsider their career options.
So are you saying that at the mo any cop in a car can chase who ever he likes? dont they have to have training and pass a test or something first? im not being a smart arse but i always thought to be on the force you needed to pass a driver training course?? i agree with you ( :gob: ) if they dont measure up they should be outa there... :calm:

[scumdog]

So are you saying that at the mo any cop in a car can chase who ever he likes? dont they have to have training and pass a test or something first? im not being a smart arse but i always thought to be on the force you needed to pass a driver training course?? i agree with you ( :gob: ) if they dont measure up they should be outa there... :calm:

Test? test? - we don't need no stinking tests, - just a large right boot and a lot of flashing lights. :lol:

And if it was the case that only certain drivers could undertake pusuits what difference is that really going to make to the guy contemplating a runner? - he sure as hell isn't going to know if the patrol vehicle he now has in his mirror is driven by 'Crash-Annie' or 'Tom Top-gun' is he?

This test thing, like all Govt. policies, will take a while to implement and will be full of "oops' we didn't think of that" bits. :doh:

[scumdog]

i've

ALL the other pursuits have ended in running out of gas, road spikes, mr motorola, a door knock or a crash.

just hope that your pursuer isn't a biker, and recognises your machine......

Funny you should say that, met a Duke coming towards me one day at a 'reasonable' speed, he'd already passed the other two 'work' cars on the road on front of me at same speeds.

A couple of days later I recognised the same bike at Glenorchy, much mirth was had by all (except the said Dukes owner who had never met me before) when I mentioned how fast he was going near Crichton on his way to Milton a couple of days ago.
Should have seen his face when after saying to me "how the hell d'ya know about that, I've never met ya before" I replied "easy, I was driving the cop-car you saw coming towards you" - EVERYBODY pissed themselves while he stood there with his mouth open!! :laugh:
Never got a rego but 'knew' it was the same bike parked outside the pub.
The dude did a runner again a few weeks later and then shot off to Aussie so hope he has the same luck there.

[**R1**]

Test? test? - we don't need no stinking tests, - just a large right boot and a lot of flashing lights. :lol:

And if it was the case that only certain drivers could undertake pusuits what difference is that really going to make to the guy contemplating a runner? - he sure as hell isn't going to know if the patrol vehicle he now has in his mirror is driven by 'Crash-Annie' or 'Tom Top-gun' is he?

" bits. :doh:
Coz if only the safe ones can chase you then you know the guy way way behind you is a good driver, and will not endanger the public :mobile:

[PuppetMaster]

Death said it, choose your time and place to run carefully.
I have not stopped for cops twice. Once just before xmas on the Welly motorway. Bike cop on side of road, I was doing around 115-120km. By the time he got after me I was a fair way ahead, I could see lights behind me in the distance. So I sped up and got off at the next offramp and disappeared into suburbia. The other time was on the open road in my HSV, doing around 180km passing some doofess that was doing 90, and then would speed up to 130 on the passing lanes, cop comes round corner going otherway. I new i was fecked so just kept going until the next town and went down a sidestreet and read the paper for a bit.

[scumdog]

Coz if only the safe ones can chase you then you know the guy way way behind you is a good driver, and will not endanger the public :mobile:

Or as has happened, they're letting you catch up to the cop-car thats on front of you that you don't know about yet! :sly:

[**R1**]

Or as has happened, they're letting you catch up to the cop-car thats on front of you that you don't know about yet! :sly: :laugh: :laugh:
:2guns: :2guns: i will not come quietly
:laugh: :laugh: :bleh: :bleh:

[marty]

:laugh: :laugh:
:2guns: :2guns: i will not come quietly
:laugh: :laugh: :bleh: :bleh:

so what? do you honestly they care if you come quietly or perform like a seal? just makes it more fun for the cops. you sound like a perfect candidate for a pepper spray under the visor. just don't expect any sympathy when you try to claim that the cops beat you up, when the reality is that you picked a fight, and lost it. that's not an assault, it just means you're a loser

[Lou Girardin]

he sure as hell isn't going to know if the patrol vehicle he now has in his mirror is driven by 'Crash-Annie' or 'Tom Top-gun' is he?

:doh:

The odds are pretty good that it'll be Crash-Annie

[StoneChucker]

Funny you should say that, met a Duke coming towards me one day at a 'reasonable' speed, he'd already passed the other two 'work' cars on the road on front of me at same speeds.

A couple of days later I recognised the same bike at Glenorchy, much mirth was had by all (except the said Dukes owner who had never met me before) when I mentioned how fast he was going near Crichton on his way to Milton a couple of days ago.
Should have seen his face when after saying to me "how the hell d'ya know about that, I've never met ya before" I replied "easy, I was driving the cop-car you saw coming towards you" - EVERYBODY pissed themselves while he stood there with his mouth open!! :laugh:
Never got a rego but 'knew' it was the same bike parked outside the pub.
The dude did a runner again a few weeks later and then shot off to Aussie so hope he has the same luck there.

Thats a good story :niceone: You could just imagine his face. (his brain was probably working overtime, wondering if he was going to get a ticket!)

[scumdog]

Thats a good story :niceone: You could just imagine his face. (his brain was probably working overtime, wondering if he was going to get a ticket!)

True! and he was looking at all his mates wondering why they were finding it all so funny before I told them who I was - THEY all knew!! :laugh:

Asked one of them who owned the Duke, he told me, I told him the story and when he finished pissing himself he said "Let me introduce you to 'X'" and stood back with a big grin!!

[scumdog]

The odds are pretty good that it'll be Crash-Annie

I THOUGHT it was you that trained her!! now I know!! :lol:

[**R1**]

so what? do you honestly they care if you come quietly or perform like a seal? just makes it more fun for the cops. you sound like a perfect candidate for a pepper spray under the visor. just don't expect any sympathy when you try to claim that the cops beat you up, when the reality is that you picked a fight, and lost it. that's not an assault, it just means you're a loser

Dude chill im only takn the piss :calm:
some of you are awfully quick to wish someone harm.... even fellow motorcyclists WTF is up with that, i'm not a fan of the guys that ride harleys...but in my book they are still better than cage drivers.... so i wouldnt wish them any harm....but thats your prerogative :mellow:

[marty]

your anti-stop and previous posting nature precludes me from picking up your 'taking the piss'. not that your address is hard to find - took me 2 minutes.

[onearmedbandit]

not that your address is hard to find - took me 2 minutes.

The mind boggles.

[madboy]

Pepper spray? Jeez I'm glad I haven't been caught since pepper spray came into use!! Although a certain person involved in a pursuit figured a baton into my windscreen while my car was parked and I was handcuffed on the ground with a knee in the back of my head was going to help end the pursuit. Funnily enough his story didn't quite stack up with the witness reports of my fine upstanding parents and a family friend who is a barrister. Not that the guy from the Police Complaints Authority cared for their version - cos cops never lie! - until they produced the photographs. Thanks to the PCA for eventually sponsoring my nice new windscreen.

Unsure if getting a new windscreen was quite worth 18 months disq and 3 months PD... but oh, well... that was one case where I really shoulda known better.

[**R1**]

your anti-stop and previous posting nature precludes me from picking up your 'taking the piss'. not that your address is hard to find - took me 2 minutes.
dude why do you want my address?? i could have saved you 2mins if ya had just asked :rolleyes:

well sorry you got confused in future i will state at the end of my posts if im taking the piss or not...

[**R1**]

The mind boggles.
yours would :bleh: :bleh:

[jrandom]

Hi, chaps. I'd just like to interject with my first ever entirely pointless post.

So, er... how ya doin'?

:lol:

[jrandom]

And you know what they say, one pointless post deserves another...

[jrandom]

Don't worry, you'll all understand where this is going in just a minute or two.

[vifferman]

Hi, chaps. I'd just like to interject with my first ever entirely pointless post.

So, er... how ya doin'?

:lol:
First ever? I find that hard to believe...

So - how come, anyway? You're nowhere near your fourth bazillion mark. :spudwhat:

[Biff]

Hi, chaps. I'd just like to interject with my first ever entirely pointless post.
:lol:

I beg to differ.

In any case - welcome to the club. It's nice here. They serve a wicked latte ya know.

[spudchucka]

Pepper spray?
I had a dumbarse in stolen 4X4 doing the runner down a dead end rural road. He eventually figured out he was on a road to nowhere and tried to do a U-turn. I blocked him in with my car and while he was doing about a 7 point turn to get out of the confined space he got the better part of a can of spray. He was staunch enough to carry on driving for about 2 minutes before dumping the vehicle and running through farmland. He managed to take a big fall somewhere as he ran through farm land, injured ribs, wrist and face. A dog handler found him about 10 minutes later feeling very sorry for himself. Back at the station it was "yes sir", "sorry sir", "can I please have some water sir".

I love pepper spray!! :2thumbsup

[scumdog]

Mate of mine had a similar incident, eff-wit red-neck does runner from Heriot pub, says "you ain't getting me pig" before heading off down country road.
Crashes through fence, tells my mate "bad luck, you won't get me now" and drives off into the darkness.
Ten seconds later and there's a 'bang-thump-crash-ow' and my mate hauls said driver from rolled Hi-lux at bottom of gully.

Result? 1 x E.B.A., 1 x Fails To Stop, 1 x No Insurance Pay-out on wrecked Hi-lux and $350 worth of fence fixing up.
Oh Yeah, those Heriot losers sure know how to show a cop how to drive and what the law is all about!!! :laugh:

[marty]

[QUOTE=R1AaronKDX]dude why do you want my address?? i could have saved you 2mins if ya had just asked :rolleyes:

QUOTE]

it was in the context of if you did a runner, it wouldn't be hard for the cops to find your address and be waiting for you there. i had been talking about it earlier in the thread.