Tauranga : Irate driver hauls boy racer out car window

[Radar]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10527153&ref=rss

He followed the cars, forcing one off the road, and then dragged the teenage driver out through the window as he tried to put the car into gear to flee. "I would not hesitate to do it again," Mr Anderson said. "My neighbours have kids who walk down there. My own kids play down there on their bikes. We've just had a gutsful really."

Mods - I should have posted this in general ravings or somewhere else, so go ahead and transfer it - thanks.

[Naki Rat]

We live in a rural area and have to put up with the same type of teenage delinquent drivers driving like idiots and leaving their litter and diesol on the roads.

Top marks to Mike Anderson's actions :first:

[firefighter]

good on him, a shame he's losing his licence for speeding though, I bet it'll tarnish his actions. Assault, phfff, little bastards deserved it, he only dragged him out of the window, but alas the soft little cherub will probably get his way and MR Anderson will un-doubtedly have the book thrown at him, and the boy-racers will get off scot-free.

[RantyDave]

Mods - I should have posted this in general ravings or somewhere else, so go ahead and transfer it - thanks.
Done.

Dave

[NOMIS]

A mate of mine who owns a modified s14 silvia, and a twin turbo gto race car ( targa ) live out red hills road ways, asks his neighbors if they would mind if he went down the end of the st ( dead end leading to a paddock ) if he can go down there and do these kinda of things, they have no problem with it and are thankfull he asks them, in return he checks there gates are locked ect ect. also has done some work on there cars for them.

there not happy when other idiots go down there but the know when he will be as he always asks and it not on a regular basis or late at night.

So some neighbors can be pretty good if you go the right way about it and dont do it where kids ect will be playing.

[R6_kid]

Good on him, citizens arrest is where it's at in situations like that.

[James Deuce]

Good on him, citizens arrest is where it's at in situations like that.

It wasn't an arrest.

I hope he gets done for assault and jailed. Stupid vigilante justice and stupid to think that any form of vigilante behaviour is acceptable in a civilised society.

Iraq is needing to replace a few hundred thousand people and they like that vigilante stuff there, so you know what to do about it.

[Swoop]

I can imagine the local police station's response...
Caller: "Some kids are doing burnouts in our street"
PC Plod: "OK, we'll see if a car can be sent around - might be a few hours away though"
Caller: "Thanks anyway. Don't want to interrupt the 1/2 price donut hour. Whenever you can get here..."

Vigilante justice. Available whenever the Plod can't get there soon enough.:bye:

[Radar]

A mate of mine who owns a modified s14 silvia, and a twin turbo gto race car ( targa ) live out red hills road ways, asks his neighbors if they would mind if he went down the end of the st ( dead end leading to a paddock ) if he can go down there and do these kinda of things, they have no problem with it and are thankfull he asks them, in return he checks there gates are locked ect ect. also has done some work on there cars for them.

there not happy when other idiots go down there but the know when he will be as he always asks and it not on a regular basis or late at night.

So some neighbors can be pretty good if you go the right way about it and dont do it where kids ect will be playing.

That's the best thing I have heard about boy racers. :niceone: Good on him.

Its all about respect. If you respect others, they will respect you (usually!).

[cowboyz]

I say good on him. If boyracers cant find somewhere to do burnouts and shit without wrecking private property then they deserve a swift kick up the arse.

[n0regret5]

fuckin' excellent! its a shame hes losing his licence, but it's good to see someone doing something instead of talking about it. i'd buy that man a dozen. not like hes gonna go driving...X-)

[n0regret5]

oh dur LOST his licence..still! though

[mstriumph]

It wasn't an arrest.

I hope he gets done for assault and jailed. Stupid vigilante justice and stupid to think that any form of vigilante behaviour is acceptable in a civilised society.

..................

no disrespect intended, but if we HAD a truly 'civilized' society, where civilians where protected by law and people threatening them were made to desist by the authorities, then this sort of action wouldn't be necessary

i agree with you this wasn't an arrest - and he'll probably get done for it because that's the law - and that's what must happen

- but it's a little harsh, i think, to damn someone for acting when pushed to the edge of his limits in what he percieves to be a real threat to his family and neighbours when previous calls to the police have not stopped the behaviour concerned?

I'm not saying i condone vigilante behaviour - or violence - because i don't ..

... but it would be wrong of me to say that i would never take personal action if me or mine were faced with a threat the Authorities couldn't or wouldn't remove....

- and i don't think that's unreasonable of me?

[Flatcap]

Stupid vigilante justice and stupid to think that any form of vigilante behaviour is acceptable in a civilised society.
.

Yes this individual went too far in this case.

However I do think that some forms of "vigilante justice" are appropriate. The difficulty is not overstepping.

[avgas]

yep she is a fine line between fixing the problem or making the solution into another problem.
I mean its a very fine line when you think that he went to all this effort to rip someone out of a car he did not like.........what would he do if he was pissed off at a biker?

[jrandom]

I hope he gets done for assault and jailed. Stupid vigilante justice and stupid to think that any form of vigilante behaviour is acceptable in a civilised society.

:yes:

As annoying and potentially-dangerous as the boy racers undoubtedly were, this gentleman who drove while disqualified, ran one of them off the road and then dragged him out of his car through the window is a knuckle-dragging moron.

And so is anyone who unthinkingly beats their chest in support of his actions.

I'm a little tired of NZ society's ape-like attitude toward interpersonal violence. Annoyed at someone else's behaviour? Ram their car, hand out a bash, all quite acceptable.

Fuckin' idiots.

[Skyryder]

Whether he is in the right or the wrong is inmaterial. One of his children was nearly injured and he acted as any father who was more concerned about the safety of his child rather that the legality of his actions. For that I applaud his actions.


Skyyrder

[jrandom]

... concerned about the safety of his child rather that the legality of his actions.

His actions didn't make his child any safer.

He pursued the boy racers in question after they'd already departed the area and were no longer posing any threat. It was pure reprisal.

[Ixion]

He said boy racers had crashed through his front fence, smashed into a tree, and narrowly missed knocking his 8-year-old daughter off her bike before the incident.
"I've got no love for those pricks."
His sentiment was matched by Mr Anderson, who was coming out of his driveway with his family when they spotted two boy racer cars driving side by side and doing skids on a neighbour's grass.






It wasn't an arrest.

I hope he gets done for assault and jailed. Stupid vigilante justice and stupid to think that any form of vigilante behaviour is acceptable in a civilised society.

Iraq is needing to replace a few hundred thousand people and they like that vigilante stuff there, so you know what to do about it.




What, then , would you suggest people who are suffering from the attentions of the boi-racers should do?

It certainly does not seem reaosnbale that they should have to "grin and bear it" indefinately. Let alone the probability of someone, child or adult being injured and killed (certainly would not be the first case of a pedestrian being killed by boi-racers). And , if they do not sort the matter out themselves, there is no other solution that I know of.

[Balrog]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

+1 for the vigilante

[Ixion]

His actions didn't make his child any safer.

He pursued the boy racers in question after they'd already departed the area and were no longer posing any threat. It was pure reprisal.

That might be valid if the incident were a one off, and the boi-racers, having departed, would not be seen again.

But the report makes it clear that was not the case



He said boy racers had been plaguing their street ever since they moved in 18 months ago, and the neighbourhood had formed a support group to try to deal with the problem.


So, clearly, although they had departed the area, they would be back. To ignore their actions is tacitly to condone and even encourage them. His actions may not have made his child any safer that day. They may have made her safer the next day .

I ask you the same question as I posed the binary gentleman. What would you suggest he (and his equally unhappy neighbours) should do? That has any chance at all of solving, or even improving the problem.

[jrandom]

I ask you the same question as I posed the binary gentleman. What would you suggest he (and his equally unhappy neighbours) should do?

I'd be interested to hear the local Police take on the matter.

I very much doubt that anything said by this vigilante chap constitutes an objectively accurate and well-balanced picture of the situation.

Certainly not after having been filtered through the Harold's impeccable journalistic standards.

I shall reserve judgment.

[jafar]

:eek:
:yes:

As annoying and potentially-dangerous as the boy racers undoubtedly were, this gentleman who drove while disqualified, ran one of them off the road and then dragged him out of his car through the window is a knuckle-dragging moron.

And so is anyone who unthinkingly beats their chest in support of his actions.

I'm a little tired of NZ society's ape-like attitude toward interpersonal violence. Annoyed at someone else's behaviour? Ram their car, hand out a bash, all quite acceptable.

Fuckin' idiots.

Tis indeed a sad day when I have to agree with JRANDOM :eek:

IMHO anyone taking the law into their own hands ceases to be a victim & instead becomes the problem.:spanking:

[nodrog]

So, clearly, although they had departed the area, they would be back. To ignore their actions is tacitly to condone and even encourage them.

you sound like that ginger copper you aucklanders always harp on about :bleh:

[Sanx]

One of his children was nearly injured and he acted as any father who was more concerned about the safety of his child rather that the legality of his actions.

Ahh, the battle cry of the loony-left and politically-correct.

Won't someone think of the children?!

Are you really advocating vigilante justice, reckless driving, assault and threatening to kill as appropriate behaviour? Bear in mind these actions weren't to prevent the man's daughter almost knocked off (not knocked off, but almost, so nothing actually happened to her) but to enact retribution against the person he considered might have previously been a threat to his daughter's safety.

If he and the other 'concerned neighbours' were actually dealing with a real problem then there is a very simple step they could take to get the boy-racers dealt with; use a video camera and record what was going on. Lay a complaint at the Police station against the drivers and present the video as evidence. Cops love busting boy-racers; presented with clear video evidence, they'd have had the licences removed in no time.

[firefighter]

:eek:

Tis indeed a sad day when I have to agree with JRANDOM :eek:

IMHO anyone taking the law into their own hands ceases to be a victim & instead becomes the problem.:spanking:

sigh, oh well I guess we should leave all law enforcement to the understaffed police, and do nothing to help our communities and stand up against crimminals.

oh right, and whinge that nothing is being done to stop all the crime happening in right in front of us.

yes he was an idiot for running a car off the road, that was dumb,

dragging the kid out of the car however.....meh, society IS very soft now, if people are that upset about this little cretin getting a fright, whoopty shit, there's a ton of stories from the past of farmers dealing to theives etc, nothing happened but a lesson learnt. yes it's hard to regulate what is and isn't stepping over the line at times, and everyones opinion is different, (so no crucification for having an opinion please 'left wingers'!) I just think that sometimes society acting out against crime is a good thing, as long as it's not necessarily condoned but the actions judged and dealt with accordingly, not just a lynch mob of people defending the pricks who started the trouble in the first place.

[jrandom]

dragging the kid out of the car however.....meh, society IS very soft now

I'm sorry, I still haven't quite worked out how any of this is going to stop any other 'boy racers' from disturbing his street.

Would you really feel safe betting that they'd be intimidated into staying away, as opposed to taking his actions as a challenge that they now need to defy to keep their pride intact?

I'd say it's a coin toss either way, and that's being generous. A feud is, IMHO, the most likely outcome.

Like I said.

The man is a mouth-breathing moron.

[firefighter]

Ahh, the battle cry of the loony-left and politically-correct.

Won't someone think of the children?!

Are you really advocating vigilante justice, reckless driving, assault and threatening to kill as appropriate behaviour? Bear in mind these actions weren't to prevent the man's daughter almost knocked off (not knocked off, but almost, so nothing actually happened to her) but to enact retribution against the person he considered might have previously been a threat to his daughter's safety.

If he and the other 'concerned neighbours' were actually dealing with a real problem then there is a very simple step they could take to get the boy-racers dealt with; use a video camera and record what was going on. Lay a complaint at the Police station against the drivers and present the video as evidence. Cops love busting boy-racers; presented with clear video evidence, they'd have had the licences removed in no time.

Probably a more sensible course of action!

[DMNTD]

I must be a knuckle dragging mofo then... :baby:

[firefighter]

I'm sorry, I still haven't quite worked out how any of this is going to stop any other 'boy racers' from disturbing his street.

Would you really feel safe betting that they'd be intimidated into staying away, as opposed to taking his actions as a challenge that they now need to defy to keep their pride intact?

I'd say it's a coin toss either way, and that's being generous. A feud is, IMHO, the most likely outcome.

Like I said.

The man is a mouth-breathing moron.

yeah I wouldn't have taken that action myself-more the pull out the video camera approach as mentioned by sanx, I'd have to agree he's probably made things worse as his mates will probably be around and cause more trouble for them, whether it be damaging property or the same old burnout etc.

BUT something like that did happen to myself as a young teen whilst passenger in a friends car.....we were doing doughnuts behind a football field, the rugby players were practicing and closed the gate on us, smashed a window on his car, even I got a jab in the head, gave us enough of a fright to never come back (nothing over the top just a couple of quick light punches), and you know what, even as a passenger I think I deserved it, we never went back and I don't hold a grudge in any way, oh yeah and we didn't call the police, we knew we deserved it.

[Skyryder]

His actions didn't make his child any safer.

He pursued the boy racers in question after they'd already departed the area and were no longer posing any threat. It was pure reprisal.


Perhaps they did. Only time will tell if the boy racers come back.


The threat was that this was an ongoing recurrance and as such your comments that they were no longer posing any threat is incorrect. If it had been a 'oneoff' then your point may have some validity. It was not and therefor does not.

Skyryder

[jrandom]

I must be a knuckle dragging mofo then... :baby:

You know we love you in spite of it bro.

:hug:

[jafar]

sigh, oh well I guess we should leave all law enforcement to the understaffed police, and do nothing to help our communities and stand up against crimminals.

oh right, and whinge that nothing is being done to stop all the crime happening in right in front of us.

yes he was an idiot for running a car off the road, that was dumb,

dragging the kid out of the car however.....meh, society IS very soft now, if people are that upset about this little cretin getting a fright, whoopty shit, there's a ton of stories from the past of farmers dealing to theives etc, nothing happened but a lesson learnt. yes it's hard to regulate what is and isn't stepping over the line at times, and everyones opinion is different, (so no crucification for having an opinion please 'left wingers'!) I just think that sometimes society acting out against crime is a good thing, as long as it's not necessarily condoned but the actions judged and dealt with accordingly, not just a lynch mob of people defending the pricks who started the trouble in the first place.

Mr Anderson chased a kid in a car, ran him off the road & dragged him through the window, then beat the crap out of him, this 'gentleman' is the problem !The 'Boi Racer' has obviously laid a complaint & will in all likelyhood win an assault charge against Mr Anderson.
This paragon of virtue has already lost his licence & is currently suspended for his own misdeeds.What gives him or anyone like him the right to judge the 'boi racer' & hand out penalties ??? He is no better than the 'boi racer' himself & is definatley old enough to know better.

[Skyryder]

Ahh, the battle cry of the loony-left and politically-correct.

Won't someone think of the children?!

Are you really advocating vigilante justice, reckless driving, assault and threatening to kill as appropriate behaviour? Bear in mind these actions weren't to prevent the man's daughter almost knocked off (not knocked off, but almost, so nothing actually happened to her) but to enact retribution against the person he considered might have previously been a threat to his daughter's safety.

If he and the other 'concerned neighbours' were actually dealing with a real problem then there is a very simple step they could take to get the boy-racers dealt with; use a video camera and record what was going on. Lay a complaint at the Police station against the drivers and present the video as evidence. Cops love busting boy-racers; presented with clear video evidence, they'd have had the licences removed in no time.

Parents do things in defence of their children. The man acted in a manner that he deemed necessary to prevent any further occurance of danger to his child. This may or may not be his prime motive for his actions but untill I hear otherwise I 'll support his action whatever that may be in defence of his child.


Skyryder.

[Mikkel]

Hmmm...

As hypocritical as it might sound I have no tears at all for the boy-racer who got into trouble. Actually I'm pretty glad that he was taught a lesson about what is acceptable and what is not.

On the other hand I hope that the vigilante shall receive the appropriate charges for his conduct and a fair trial. That could serve as a lesson about what is acceptable and what is not, too.

Two wrongs doesn't make a right - pretty simple isn't it?

[firefighter]

Mr Anderson chased a kid in a car, ran him off the road & dragged him through the window, then beat the crap out of him, this 'gentleman' is the problem !The 'Boi Racer' has obviously laid a complaint & will in all likelyhood win an assault charge against Mr Anderson.
This paragon of virtue has already lost his licence & is currently suspended for his own misdeeds.What gives him or anyone like him the right to judge the 'boi racer' & hand out penalties ??? He is no better than the 'boi racer' himself & is definatley old enough to know better.

well I wasn't aware he beat the shit out of him, I just thought he dragged him out and yelled at him......yeah thats definately stepping over the line, and yes I did mention that it's a shame that he has lost his licence and I do think that it's pretty hypocritical that he is the one taking this action after losing his own licence for speeding of all things, so not exactly a 'white knight', however I think the kid is being a bit of a wuss (im sure his 'beating' was nothing of the sort), he is also the problem, not just said mr anderson, and I think personally that it should have ended on the spot, none of the assault charge rubbish (unless he truly was given a hiding)- read my earlier post where I talk of what happened to me, nothing happened afterwards and I actually did learn a lesson.

[mstriumph]

............. is a knuckle-dragging moron.

And so is anyone who unthinkingly beats their chest in support of his actions.

..................

Fuckin' idiots.

erm :confused: i didn't UNTHINKINGLY etc etc --- in fact, my support was quite conditional .......

but i was being honest.

[jrandom]

erm :confused: i didn't UNTHINKINGLY etc etc --- in fact, my support was quite conditional .......

Precisely.

That's why I said 'unthinkingly'.

I was not speaking of you.

[mstriumph]

...............This paragon of virtue has already lost his licence ............. He is no better than the 'boi racer' himself ........

erm
only if you believe that speeding is as bad as driving recklessly, demolishing other people's fences and lawns and endangering their 8 year olds

let he/she who has NEVER been done for speeding cast the first stone!! :Police:

[mstriumph]

Precisely.

That's why I said 'unthinkingly'.

I was not speaking of you.

oh

ok then

i'll call off my dogs .......... :shifty:

[Jez]

well I wasn't aware he beat the shit out of him

well nowhere does it say that he actually beat the shit out of him at all ... i guess ppl are assuming as he dragged him out thru the window then he obviously followed that up with a beating of epic proportions ...

I am not condoning vigilntism, however having made quite a few phone calls to the lads in blue myself in complaint of boy racers doing burnouts outside my kids room at 1am i am yet to see any actual decline in burnouts. It frightens my kids, obviously waking them up, and annoys the shit outta me cause i gotta get outta bed to call the cops.

I ask Jrandom and James Duece what i should do to stop this crap going on outside my house every weekend ... cause im getting pretty damn close to following the example set by messers Anderson and Murray ... i have a car in the garage that i dont use anymore, so im thinking about installing a top rank restraint system, and ramming the little fuckers right in the act!!! :(

and yes i have taken a video in and made a constable sit through 45 minutes of burnouts and crying kids ...

[firefighter]

well nowhere does it say that he actually beat the shit out of him at all ... i guess ppl are assuming as he dragged him out thru the window then he obviously followed that up with a beating of epic proportions ...

I am not condoning vigilntism, however having made quite a few phone calls to the lads in blue myself in complaint of boy racers doing burnouts outside my kids room at 1am i am yet to see any actual decline in burnouts. It frightens my kids, obviously waking them up, and annoys the shit outta me cause i gotta get outta bed to call the cops.

I ask Jrandom and James Duece what i should do to stop this crap going on outside my house every weekend ... cause im getting pretty damn close to following the example set by messers Anderson and Murray ... i have a car in the garage that i dont use anymore, so im thinking about installing a top rank restraint system, and ramming the little fuckers right in the act!!! :(

and yes i have taken a video in and made a constable sit through 45 minutes of burnouts and crying kids ...

hahaha, perhaps get a paintball gun (preferably a marker) and blast the cars with it!they won't know were it's coming from and you'll damage the car (dents) and it'll take em ages to get the paint off.....lol, whoops might hurt someone with such a lethal firearm.....sorry P.C brigade we can't have that forget I put that there.....lol :rolleyes:

[jrandom]

I ask Jrandom and James Duece what i should do to stop this crap going on outside my house every weekend ...

I know I'm probably missing something huge, here, but have you considered throwing a coat on, going out into the road, waving down the boi racers and telling them that they're disturbing your family, and would they kindly fuck off and play somewhere non-residential?

Forget threats and violence; I've always found that a spot of verbal judo can be surprisingly effective in such situations.

[jrandom]

hahaha, perhaps get a paintball gun (preferably a marker) and blast the cars with it!

Oh, yeah, that's awesome. Real mature-like. Upon such ideas were mighty civilisations founded.

[idb]

:yes:

As annoying and potentially-dangerous as the boy racers undoubtedly were, this gentleman who drove while disqualified, ran one of them off the road and then dragged him out of his car through the window is a knuckle-dragging moron.

And so is anyone who unthinkingly beats their chest in support of his actions.

I'm a little tired of NZ society's ape-like attitude toward interpersonal violence. Annoyed at someone else's behaviour? Ram their car, hand out a bash, all quite acceptable.

Fuckin' idiots.

HEY!!!!
I'm one of those idiots!!!

[mark247]

If they didnt ban all the boy racers going into industrial areas at night time to do all their rarkies and diesel drops they wouldnt have to go do it outside residents houses.

Why dont they let them go do their shit up Aerodrome road and all those places, throw a few security cameras in and nab the idiots? That's what they did at sulfur point, the police could catch them, and they had to place to go and do there skids and try and get away. No residents up there so all good i say.

Now we have them coming up and doing burnouts outside our place and shit, they wouldnt of bothered 12 months ago.

[jafar]

If they didnt ban all the boy racers going into industrial areas at night time to do all their rarkies and diesel drops they wouldnt have to go do it outside residents houses.

Why dont they let them go do their shit up Aerodrome road and all those places, throw a few security cameras in and nab the idiots? That's what they did at sulfur point, the police could catch them, and they had to place to go and do there skids and try and get away. No residents up there so all good i say.

Now we have them coming up and doing burnouts outside our place and shit, they wouldnt of bothered 12 months ago.

They banned boi racers & everyone else from industrial areas because they were causing thousands of dollars worth of damage, now the boi racers are doing the same thing in residential areas instead.
How about we ban boi racers instead :girlfight:

[mark247]

They banned boi racers & everyone else from industrial areas because they were causing thousands of dollars worth of damage, now the boi racers are doing the same thing in residential areas instead.
How about we ban boi racers instead :girlfight:

That is an idea as well, but somewhat unrealistic. I just think at the end of the day, they are better off drifting into power polls and running each other over up Aerodrome Road instead of in the middle of suburbia where others are getting affected as well.

[nodrog]

why do i get the feeling that if this was a motorcyclist and the herald article was titled "stunter gets pulled off his bike while performing for the children", this thread would be going in a completly different direction?

[Jez]

I know I'm probably missing something huge, here, but have you considered throwing a coat on, going out into the road, waving down the boi racers and telling them that they're disturbing your family, and would they kindly fuck off and play somewhere non-residential?

Forget threats and violence; I've always found that a spot of verbal judo can be surprisingly effective in such situations.

yes and i got a black eye for my troubles, "so fucking what?" and "well give your fucking rats earplugs" were just 2 of the replies i got when i asked them to go for a drive out into the countryside ...

im not one to jump straight to a violent solution as i dont exactly have the physique for it, tall and skinny i am, running from a fight is my specialty. So please don't think i haven't tried everything both legal and non-violent i can think of ...

[firefighter]

If they didnt ban all the boy racers going into industrial areas at night time to do all their rarkies and diesel drops they wouldnt have to go do it outside residents houses.

Why dont they let them go do their shit up Aerodrome road and all those places, throw a few security cameras in and nab the idiots? That's what they did at sulfur point, the police could catch them, and they had to place to go and do there skids and try and get away. No residents up there so all good i say.

Now we have them coming up and doing burnouts outside our place and shit, they wouldnt of bothered 12 months ago.

because then they kill themselves and other innocent people- and ruin the roads, although I was pissed when they actually tried to make a burnout pad down there, funded the money, council all the while saying yep good idea, then changing their minds once fundraising was finished.....bloody council, but really mate wasn't it down aerodrome road where a teen was killed during these drag races last year? and sulpur point has families going to and from the marina etc, the road is for everyone- and I don't want little cunts yelling abuse at the car my neices and nephews are in-because lets face it boy racers are abusive little cunts too, and to top off the abuse ruining the road and endangering my families life....it's bullshit mate.

[awayatc]

You should off course always have the right to defend yourself.
If somebody would endanger me or mine, I will exercise that right...Not negotiable

Facing an out of control ton and a half motorvehicle is far more threatening then facing a loaded handgun....

We as a society should not have to accept being terrorised in any form......
We should be able to rely on a police force to enforce the laws that are there to protect us and our society....

:scooter:

[awayatc]

So please don't think i haven't tried everything both legal and non-violent i can think of ...

If that bag of Z nails you bought at Placemakers developed a crack and spilled some on the road.....you may not have noticed that straight away......

No matter how they fall, one point is always up.......

:scooter:

[firefighter]

Oh, yeah, that's awesome. Real mature-like. Upon such ideas were mighty civilisations founded.

Oh shutup you old git, I was obviously joking :oi-grr: nobody is actually going to go out and buy a paintball gun and do this- theyr'e pretty expensive.:calm:

Besides- your comment about going out and talking civilised like to a bunch of drunk-drugged teens thrashing their cars around :crazy:....come on your kidding right?with that much testosterone and peer pressure even comprehending that is rediculous, you'll be lucky to not get a bottle thrown at ya.:dodge:

It may work for you if your a big intimidating looking dude but not all of us have the don't fuck with me look! :laugh:

Peace

[Jez]

If that bag of Z nails you bought at Placemakers developed a crack and spilled some on the road.....you may not have noticed that straight away......

No matter how they fall, one point is always up.......

:scooter:

you mean the bag of z-nails i picked up just before closing at mitre10 mega so i could fix the dog house which i now cant find!?!?! ;)

now ill spend the night helping poor little boi-racers change tyres >.<

[Forest]

They banned boi racers & everyone else from industrial areas because they were causing thousands of dollars worth of damage, now the boi racers are doing the same thing in residential areas instead.
How about we ban boi racers instead :girlfight:

They did ban the boi racers. They even changed the law to grant police special powers to combat the problem e.g. seize and impound vehicles.

The laws are already in place. They just need to be enforced.

[Sanx]

erm
only if you believe that speeding is as bad as driving recklessly, demolishing other people's fences and lawns and endangering their 8 year olds

let he/she who has NEVER been done for speeding cast the first stone!! :Police:

Exactly. And how many people do think that speeding is dangerous. Given the mindless nature of the sheeple of New Zealand and the downright dishonest propaganda spouted by the government and its various agencies, a large proportion of the population regard speeding as just as dangerous and drink driving, etc.

Given that I'm addressing a community of bikers, and the only bikers that don't exceed speed limits are dead ones, no doubt you'd all be perfectly happy to be rammed off the road and assaulted just because someone considered that you speeding was dangerous to their kids.

[Jez]

They did ban the boi racers. They even changed the law to grant police special powers to combat the problem e.g. seize and impound vehicles.

The laws are already in place. They just need to be enforced.

the main issue i think is simply lack of cops on the streets ... if there were more cops they could come to calls like mine immediately and enforce those laws in place ... but while our thin blue line is as thin as it is, then people like Mr Anderson and Murray will be the only way to get the point across to a section of disrespectful youth causing trouble. And fellas like me might just keep buying bags of z-nails with holes in the end ;)

[jafar]

They did ban the boi racers. They even changed the law to grant police special powers to combat the problem e.g. seize and impound vehicles.

The laws are already in place. They just need to be enforced.

Really ? :eek:well fuck me how did that happen? :doh:

[Patrick]

Yes this individual went too far in this case.

However I do think that some forms of "vigilante justice" are appropriate. The difficulty is not overstepping.

He went too far... Did he? Two sides, other than the Harolds view and all....


....I think I deserved it, we never went back and I don't hold a grudge in any way, oh yeah and we didn't call the police, we knew we deserved it.

And therin lies the lesson, learnt and all.

This little boi racer snot, and his arse biscuit parents, think he can do no wrong and its all Mr ANDERSONS fault....?


I know I'm probably missing something huge, here, but have you considered throwing a coat on, going out into the road, waving down the boi racers and telling them that they're disturbing your family, and would they kindly fuck off and play somewhere non-residential?

Forget threats and violence; I've always found that a spot of verbal judo can be surprisingly effective in such situations.

Singing kum-bai-yah while holding hands works well...... until the drunken passengers leap out and deal to you with the tyre iron, a knife, baseball bat and smash a stubbie bottle into your face, coz you looked at them funny.


yes and i got a black eye for my troubles, "so fucking what?" and "well give your fucking rats earplugs" were just 2 of the replies i got when i asked them to go for a drive out into the countryside ...

im not one to jump straight to a violent solution as i dont exactly have the physique for it, tall and skinny i am, running from a fight is my specialty. So please don't think i haven't tried everything both legal and non-violent i can think of ...

As above, for JRandom...


They did ban the boi racers. They even changed the law to grant police special powers to combat the problem e.g. seize and impound vehicles.

The laws are already in place. They just need to be enforced.

And when they are, how many threads have there been on KB whinging exactly about this????????

I lost count and can't be arsed finding some, but some of the quotes included "abuse of powers," "deemed guilty before proven," and other dribblings about claims of a "Police State" to name a few.

Damned if you do, damned if ya don't......

Wasn't long ago that "vigilante" was the way to go, after the shooting of the liquor shop dude in South Auckland recently.... how times change....

[98tls]

He went too far... Did he? Two sides, other than the Harolds view and all....



And therin lies the lesson, learnt and all.

This little boi racer snot, and his arse biscuit parents, think he can do no wrong and its all Mr ANDERSONS fault....?



Singing kum-bai-yah while holding hands works well...... until the drunken passengers leap out and deal to you with the tyre iron, a knife, baseball bat and smash a stubbie bottle into your face, coz you looked at them funny.



As above, for JRandom...



And when they are, how many threads have there been on KB whinging exactly about this????????

I lost count and can't be arsed finding some, but some of the quotes included "abuse of powers," "deemed guilty before proven," and other dribblings about claims of a "Police State" to name a few.

Damned if you do, damned if ya don't......

Wasn't long ago that "vigilante" was the way to go, after the shooting of the liquor shop dude in South Auckland recently.... how times change.... "singing kum-bai-yah":rofl::rofl::2thumbsupnice work P.

[Flatcap]

He went too far... Did he? Two sides, other than the Harolds view and all....


OK - he used the wrong method then. Should have done something very painful that doesn't leave marks

[Patrick]

"singing kum-bai-yah":rofl::rofl::2thumbsupnice work P.

Dont forget ya sandals and socks... knee high ones...

[DMNTD]

OK - he used the wrong method then. Should have done something very painful that doesn't leave marks

Ponga branch up the bum...very effective

[Clockwork]

They did ban the boi racers. They even changed the law to grant police special powers to combat the problem e.g. seize and impound vehicles.

The laws are already in place. They just need to be enforced.

Standard Police smoke screen. Can't enforce the laws already in the statutes such as "Drunk and Disorderly"? Wait until the public moaning about drunken louts gets too loud to ignore and then complain to the pollies that you need new laws such a 24/7 area wide liquor bans to fix the problem.

Keeps the public of your back for a few years while they get around to changing the laws

[lb99]

we had a car full of pissed kids try to bowl a tree ouside our house at 130 this morning, (tree 1 corolla 0)
two ambos on scene in less than 5 min, cops took a lot longer to show up, about 20 min. by this time more hoons and lookieloos have shown up, throw in some scared teenagers and some drunken bravado, the fists and bottles start flying. if the cops had been right on top of the ambos it would have been a lot easier for all to do their job......

[Indoo]

w
two ambos on scene in less than 5 min, cops took a lot longer to show up, about 20 min. by this time more hoons and lookieloos have shown up, throw in some scared teenagers and some drunken bravado, the fists and bottles start flying. if the cops had been right on top of the ambos it would have been a lot easier for all to do their job......

Its pretty clear that the cops purposely took the longest route they could to get to that job just to make the job of ambos harder not to mention their own when they arrived, its not like on a busy Saturday night they could have been tied up with anything else. The Police association has been crying out for more frontline cops for the past decade or so, maybe the public needs to vote in a party that promises to increase frontline numbers?

[firefighter]

Its pretty clear that the cops purposely took the longest route they could to get to that job just to make the job of ambos harder not to mention their own when they arrived, its not like on a busy Saturday night they could have been tied up with anything else. The Police association has been crying out for more frontline cops for the past decade or so, maybe the public needs to vote in a party that promises to increase frontline numbers?

purposely took longer to make the ambos life harder? "insert tui ad here......"
or where you kidding ?

[Owl]

I think vigilante justice has its place, especially when legal channels fail and I’d sometimes applaud it!
However, how can we applaud Mr Anderson when he’s guilty (and then some) of the same actions as his targets? I mean, how do you force a car off the road without driving “Dangerously” or “Recklessly”? He admitted to driving while suspended for speeding (hardly squeaky clean) and then assaults someone. I presume his wife was in the car, therefore putting her in danger as well.:doh:
To top it off, he uses kids as an excuse for his behaviour when they weren’t actually there at the time!
Not the stuff legends or movies are made from “Mr Anderson”!:whistle:

[fLaThEaD FreD]

I'd be interested to hear the local Police take on the matter.

I very much doubt that anything said by this vigilante chap constitutes an objectively accurate and well-balanced picture of the situation.

Certainly not after having been filtered through the Harold's impeccable journalistic standards.

I shall reserve judgment.

Would you have left it to the Police???

[jrandom]

Would you have left it to the Police???

Not necessarily.

You can rest assured, though, that whatever I'd have done to deal with the situation wouldn't have resulted in me turning up in court immediately thereafter on assault and driving while disqualified charges.

I'm not a pacifist, and I don't expect authority to handle everything for me.

I do think that Mr Anderson is a complete dumbfuck. I've run into his type plenty of times, and they piss me off. Cutting off their noses to spite their faces because they're not capable of thinking a situation through.

[fLaThEaD FreD]

Not necessarily.

You can rest assured, though, that whatever I'd have done to deal with the situation wouldn't have resulted in me turning up in court immediately thereafter on assault and driving while disqualified charges.

I'm not a pacifist, and I don't expect authority to handle everything for me.

I do think that Mr Anderson is a complete dumbfuck. I've run into his type plenty of times, and they piss me off. Cutting off their noses to spite their faces because they're not capable of thinking a situation through.


your reply is..."You can rest assured, though, that whatever I'd have done to deal with the situation wouldn't have resulted in me turning up in court immediately thereafter on assault and driving while disqualified charges.

so this reply answers nothing......What would you have done had you been there in Andersons position???.....that's what I want to know!

[scumdog]

we had a car full of pissed kids try to bowl a tree ouside our house at 130 this morning, (tree 1 corolla 0)
two ambos on scene in less than 5 min, cops took a lot longer to show up, about 20 min. by this time more hoons and lookieloos have shown up, throw in some scared teenagers and some drunken bravado, the fists and bottles start flying. if the cops had been right on top of the ambos it would have been a lot easier for all to do their job......


Like husband the cops are often the last to know...

[jrandom]

What would you have done had you been there in Andersons position???.....that's what I want to know!

Send some of those boi racers up my street at the wrong time, and you'll find out.

:msn-wink:

[fLaThEaD FreD]

Send some of those boi racers up my street at the wrong time, and you'll find out.

:msn-wink:

You still havent answered my question.

If you cant put your Balls where your mouth is and continue this discussion in an open forum....................Shut the fuck up and dont waste our time in a discussion.

I know most of the boy racers in Tat Peninsular and if I knew your Street I'd have them visit to see what your'd do.
Most of them are mouthy shitheads and would try to knock you on your arse....I don't condone their behaviour...............But you just can't rely on the cops even turning up.........So what if that kid got a biff........trouble is from his tree huggin mummy and daddy and I know at least one high profile business family in Peninsular with that attitude to their son as well.

[jrandom]

You still havent answered my question.

Answer?

Who knows. It really would depend entirely on the situation.

But I can tell you now that it wouldn't involve running out into the street and assaulting someone in front of witnesses.


If you cant put your Balls where your mouth is

What an odd expression. Into a bit of autofellatio, are you?

Mr Anderson's a dumbfuck, and by the sound of it, so are you. An irritable one to boot. Then again, most dumbfucks are, when their dumbfuckery is pointed out for what it is.

Can't handle acknowledging the fact that a smack in the face doesn't actually solve anything? Go back to school and learn a few more lessons out in the playground, sunshine.


I know most of the boy racers in Tat Peninsular and if I knew your Street I'd have them visit to see what your'd do.

Does this "I'm an internet badarse with boi racer mates au" shit turn your missus on when she reads it? 'Take me now, Flathead Fred, you so big and strong, you da man!"

:lol:

[jrandom]

Oh, by the way, just thinking about what I'd do if boi racers came and played in our street...

They do come and play in our street.

And, to be perfectly honest, it really doesn't bother me. I don't mind the sound of engines and tyres, etc.

I suspect I'd end up going out and cheering them on if they ever really got into it.

I think you'd have to come up with something completely different to get me pissed off and running around wanting to deal out retribution. Motor vehicle hooliganism is just too much fun.

[Stickchick]

Motor vehicle hooliganism is just too much fun.

Narrow Neck Beach is officially a road (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=73845) don't ya know.

:spanking:

[fLaThEaD FreD]

Answer?

Who knows. It really would depend entirely on the situation.

But I can tell you now that it wouldn't involve running out into the street and assaulting someone in front of witnesses.



What an odd expression. Into a bit of autofellatio, are you?

Mr Anderson's a dumbfuck, and by the sound of it, so are you. An irritable one to boot. Then again, most dumbfucks are, when their dumbfuckery is pointed out for what it is.

Can't handle acknowledging the fact that a smack in the face doesn't actually solve anything? Go back to school and learn a few more lessons out in the playground, sunshine.



Does this "I'm an internet badarse with boi racer mates au" shit turn your missus on when she reads it? 'Take me now, Flathead Fred, you so big and strong, you da man!"

:lol:

"whatever" Littleman

I have been asking you questions which you have failed to answer.......that shows me and others that you are all mouth with no answers.
secondley I havent called you names........which I see that's all you can resort to when you Know you are beat.

Grow up and dont get into a discussion when you cant back up what you say.............At least Anderson and others have the guts to follow through and be counted.......More than I can say for you.!!!

And see........I can have a discussion without resorting to name calling......I think your the one with the anger problem.:motu:

[lb99]

Like husband the cops are often the last to know...

huh? I would have thought an mva would have been instant notification..., they have usually been first on the scene after falling off my bike.....

[lb99]

Its pretty clear that the cops purposely took the longest route they could to get to that job just to make the job of ambos harder not to mention their own when they arrived, its not like on a busy Saturday night they could have been tied up with anything else. The Police association has been crying out for more frontline cops for the past decade or so, maybe the public needs to vote in a party that promises to increase frontline numbers?

yes I know that. but this is a small town, 5 min max to anywhere, also a reasonably high population of police, I really would have thought that here you would be able to mobilise a police car quicker than an ambo.
However when they did arrive they did an exceptional job of sorting the shit out, very calm and professional.
if they had been 5 min earlier maybe they could have prevented the disposal of contraband/piss cans and the "right guys lets get our story straight"

[scumdog]

huh? I would have thought an mva would have been instant notification..., they have usually been first on the scene after falling off my bike.....

SOMEBODY has to call them - and mostly they call ambo (and often fire) first who in turn tell police (most of the time!)

[lb99]

SOMEBODY has to call them - and mostly they call ambo (and often fire) first who in turn tell police (most of the time!)

I would have thought the 111 dispatcher would have notified everyone at once, oh well you live and learn.
neighbours wife called the ambo, I dont know for sure if she called for cops or not

[jrandom]

"whatever"

And, folks, one thing I learned in primary school was that when someone starts responding with that W-word, that means that they don't have much meaningful left to say.

:niceone:

Face it, Mr Flathead, mouthing off on the internet about handing out biffo is an idiot's game, as is winding up in court with various charges hanging over one's head.

It's kinda hard to argue with that, and I note you haven't done so.

I know a lot of guys with attitudes like the one you're display here. Full of big aggressive talk about how they'll fuckin' sort out anyone who blah blah blah, but when any sort of shit hits the fan, they end up in all sorts of trouble that they can't find their way out of, and they never manage to make anything better for themselves.

And, that aside, it's amazing how many of them crumple when their bluff gets called.

I have little time for insecure bastards who think that being intelligently constructive about difficult situations will make their dicks shrink. Folk like you and Mr Anderson need to shut up, sit on your hands, and think about consequences.

[fLaThEaD FreD]

And, folks, one thing I learned in primary school was that when someone starts responding with that W-word, that means that they don't have much meaningful left to say.

:niceone:

Face it, Mr Flathead, mouthing off on the internet about handing out biffo is an idiot's game, as is winding up in court with various charges hanging over one's head.

It's kinda hard to argue with that, and I note you haven't done so.

I know a lot of guys with attitudes like the one you're display here. Full of big aggressive talk about how they'll fuckin' sort out anyone who blah blah blah, but when any sort of shit hits the fan, they end up in all sorts of trouble that they can't find their way out of, and they never manage to make anything better for themselves.

And, that aside, it's amazing how many of them crumple when their bluff gets called.

I have little time for insecure bastards who think that being intelligently constructive about difficult situations will make their dicks shrink. Folk like you and Mr Anderson need to shut up, sit on your hands, and think about consequences.

havent you moved on yet to talk about some more life experience that you have no knowledge of...

[jrandom]

havent you moved on yet to talk about some more life experience that you have no knowledge of...

I'll take that as a "goddammit, he's right".

So, thank you.

And, for what it's worth, Mr Fred, let me assure you that I've been on both sides of the 'violence and intimidation' coin, and have come to certain conclusions about what approaches work best.

Just because I ain't some grunting slack-jawed westie yokel with an IQ that matches his shoe size don't mean that I can't handle myself or have spent my entire life in front of this computer.

You might want to be careful making those sort of assumptions in future. They could get you into difficulty.

:msn-wink:

[fLaThEaD FreD]

havent you moved on yet to talk about some more life experience that you have no knowledge of...

Are you back again.....
Have a nice day. The coffee and cake at Servo is'nt too bad. :Punk:

[jrandom]

The coffee and cake at Servo is'nt too bad. :Punk:

Yeah, I was a regular there the last time I lived in Tat, '01 - '05, but I'm all about that little place 'Fuze' up at the main shops, now (just across from the library). Definitely better coffee than that Altezano stuff they use at Servo.

Stickchick did the walk in the rain to get takeouts from them this morning - ain't she sweet?

:love:

In fact, I think the guy making coffee at Fuze is the guy who used to make it at Servo. If you haven't been there yet, try it.

[firefighter]

Can't handle acknowledging the fact that a smack in the face doesn't actually solve anything?
:lol:

hmmmmm, Before you use my words against me.....No that's not the only way I learn!.....BUT, from real personal experience, it worked for me, made think twice about doing shit like that again.....so yeah sometimes it does work, just depends how long the apron strings are to the precious little un-punished delinquent!......as I said my parents response was- boot in arse, and good fucken job......which I totally agree with, I never went back, and I learnt a bit of respect at the same time, with the new attitudes towards punishment the kids are far ruder and disrespectful than ever....there's a reason for that, and that reason is that we are now scared to punish kids properly and they know they can get away with murder.My parents wouldn't have dared talk to people the way that kids do today......Something to think about anyway- sometimes a good kick in the arse goes a long way.

[fLaThEaD FreD]

Are you back again.....
Have a nice day. The coffee and cake at Servo is'nt too bad. :Punk:

We often pop into Furze and agree coffee is good there.
Now we've had our bit of fun on here we may even bump into eachother sometime there.

Cheers:2thumbsup

[jrandom]

hmmmmm, Before you use my words against me.....No that's not the only way I learn!.....BUT, from real personal experience, it worked for me, made think twice about doing shit like that again.....so yeah sometimes it does work, just depends how long the apron strings are to the precious little un-punished delinquent!

If a parent fucks a kid up, there's nothing we can do about it personally. Any input from society in general will just be completely washed away in all the negative reinforcement that the kid in question gets at home.

I agree that many young folk in this country need to be sent off to some sort of boot camp to be melted down and re-forged into useful members of society.

But running out into the street and dragging boy racers out of their driver's windows and then winding up in court with multiple charges over your head does absolutely nothing to further that goal.

It's all about properly targeted kicks in the arse that don't immediately saddle the kicker with an assault charge!

[firefighter]

yeah he was a bloody idiot for the way he went about it, driving whilst disqualified, and then using the car pretty much as a weapon, he should have dragged him out then placed him under citizens arrest, in a rather rough way! unfortunately the kids probably being molly coddled now and feeling like a complete victim, and wouldn't have learnt a thing.

[jrandom]

yeah he was a bloody idiot for the way he went about it, driving whilst disqualified, and then using the car pretty much as a weapon, he should have dragged him out then placed him under citizens arrest, in a rather rough way!

Precisely my point. Mr Anderson's actions were, as you say (edit: as you said pre post edit) bloody dumb and extremely dangerous.

I'm not sure exactly what the law is regarding 'citizen's arrests'. Perhaps one of the resident coppers could enlighten us about what situations we can legally detain someone in?

I recall at least one case in the news where a truckie 'guided' a drunk driver off the road, and then hopped out and took their keys. Great example of constructive intervention.

Unfortunately, Mr Anderson's actions come across as angry reprisal, not constructive intervention. And the law doesn't look kindly on angry reprisal.


the kids probably being molly coddled now and feeling like a complete victim, and wouldn't have learnt a thing

+1.

[Swoop]

Ponga branch up the bum...very effective
I'm sure that there are Queen St accountants that pay good money for that...:shit:

[Jerry74]

Good on him, boy racers should banned from the roads.

Caught doing burnouts, drag racing etc after one warning the law should be:

automatic 2 year ban, $5000 fine and car crushed.

Breach this 2 years prison and disqualified from driving for life.

This would sort out these little buggers and make the roads safe.

:niceone:

[Sollyboy]

I can imagine the local police station's response...
Caller: "Some kids are doing burnouts in our street"
PC Plod: "OK, we'll see if a car can be sent around - might be a few hours away though"
Caller: "Thanks anyway. Don't want to interrupt the 1/2 price donut hour. Whenever you can get here..."

Vigilante justice. Available whenever the Plod can't get there soon enough.:bye:
cops are usually right on to boy racer and driver offences, its the other stuff they neglect like burgs and assaults , ramming a car into another car puts that guy right into the same catergory as the boy racer himself , still might have done the same thing myselve if in same situation, its to easy to comment after the fact

[Grub]

Stupid to think that any form of vigilante behaviour is acceptable in a civilised society..

You're assuming that we are still a civilised society. Not any more and that's the point.