Red light experience - venting

[rastuscat]

Okay, so I'm one of those that you all love to bag. Your call. But anyway, I'm a motorcycle traffic cop in Christchurch. There aren't too many of us, you may know me, whatever.

Last night at about 9.30 I was sitting on the company bike watching the Colombo St/Hereford St lights, when a Ford Falcon taxi (narrows it down to about 10,000) drove through a red light. It went red when the front wheels were 2 to 3 metres prior to the limit lines, the driver was accelerating to beat the lights. It was a cut and dried, ridgy didge red light offence.

Anyway, I followed (red and blue lights allow us to do that), having had a FULL, CLEAR UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW of the offence. Pretty clear cut. The taxi then failed to indicate turning a corner, and eventually stopped for me some distance further on.

I then got a lecture about how good a driver the driver was, how law abiding too, how I should go catch a boy racer or a gang member, how the driver hadn't had a ticket in 30 years, further details of the fabulous driving skills,more details of the advanced driving skills, etc. Oh, and it was orange.

Anyway, just the one ticket issued, the red light one.

I then got to ponder, yet again, the view that we all have our own driving ability. Today that taxi driver, who blew a red light and failed to indicate, will be telling all the clan about this nasty , revenue collecting man who wrote a BS ticket for such a law abiding, skilled driving member of the taxpaying public, one who pays my wages.

And I'll write the same ticket every time I see that offence, as people who crash red lights hit people sometimes.

Just venting.

[Swoop]

Red light runners are the scum of the universe and more dangerous than open-road speeders.
Glad some cock got what they deserve.

[FJRider]

We would expect no less....:clap:

[Devil]

I dont trust taxi-drivers at ALL on the road. Unexpected behaviour is the norm and anything that'll cut two seconds off the journey is to be expected!

Bike cops on the other hand... well. Never had a run in with one of those before, and considering i've passed a few while lanesplitting carefully I guess I should only hold a good opinion of them!

[Devil]

Further to my ramble. I'm not sure what's going through peoples heads when they accellerate to get through the red... Are they trying to make the most of a potential accident?

[MSTRS]

Oh good. Can you have a busman's holiday up here? The local plod don't seem all that interested in this sort of dodgy shit. Do you 'do' roundabouts as well?

[Badcat]

yep - red light running and not indicating is SO RIFE in this country.
also - what about not keeping left on the open road and on motorways?
i would guess that in auckland if the police started to enforce this - it would make a decent positive impact on the motorway congestion...

ken

[Waxxa]

I was hit by a red light runner a little while ago, and when I'm sitting at a red light and someone runs through it they get the big :finger::finger: from me thats for sure, so good on you rastus for that call

[Blackbird]

Good on you!

Oh, and welcome. Plenty of police on this site, and a few m/cycle cops to boot. One of my riding partners is ex-bike patrol and is now with the SCU in Auckland.

Cheers,

Geoff

[Ixion]

Won't get any complaints here about issuing tickets for red light runners.

Number of times I've easily stopped on the orange and watched the car that was 100 metres behind me scorch past (at way over 50kph). If I can stop, they can.

I trust you pointed out to him that running an orange light is also an offence. And the penalty's the same.

'S good to have a bikey cop on site again. We haven't had one (that I know of) since Bikeycop mutated into Tapeycop. Welcome.

[rastuscat]

Irony is, I bet there is a KiwiTaxiDriver forum somewhere that the driver is slating me on. Then everyone climbs on with stories of how they have been done wrong by the revenue collectors.

This does polarise people.

[Katman]

I then got to ponder, yet again, the view that we all have our own driving ability.

Matched very closely by a lot of motorcyclists over inflated opinion of their riding ability.

[paulmac]

This does polarise people.[/QUOTE]

So does putting jumper leads on their nipples :(

[McJim]

Matched very closely by a lot of motorcyclists over inflated opinion of their riding ability.

Stop going around trying to give motorcyclists a bad name dude. If you keep venting like this people will think we're all reckless fuckwits. :rofl:

Ratuscat - Taxi Driver probably doesn't actually think he's that good - he was just so much of an idiot that he thought spouting an overinflated opinion of HIS driving would be enough to persuade you that it was a one off, warning offence.

I have always thought that polite acquiesance would be the best approach if stopped for a driving offence - I could be wrong however as it's just that I have never been stopped and never had a driving offence.....ever....so what would I know?

[rastuscat]

So, what to you reckon the ratio is?

Like, the ratio of People who whinge about getting tickets - vs - people who think it's a good job, the ticket was deserved for what the person did?

Sadly, the ratio is quite high.We often (like, every day) hear the whinges, just don't often get a compliment for catching the offenders in the first place.

[MSTRS]

So, what to you reckon the ratio is?

Like, the ratio of People who whinge about getting tickets - vs - people who think it's a good job, the ticket was deserved for what the person did?

Sadly, the ratio is quite high.We often (like, every day) hear the whinges, just don't often get a compliment for catching the offenders in the first place.

Most people when caught will feel aggrieved, but applaud the catching of others?
The really pertinent ratio will be who agree/disagree with Katman's diatribes....:argue:

[McJim]

So, what to you reckon the ratio is?

Like, the ratio of People who whinge about getting tickets - vs - people who think it's a good job, the ticket was deserved for what the person did?

Sadly, the ratio is quite high.We often (like, every day) hear the whinges, just don't often get a compliment for catching the offenders in the first place.

What a very subjective question.

Red light runners - hanging is too good for the bastards (been T boned twice since I came to NZ 4 years ago - both times at intersections and both times when my signal had turned green)

Speeding - all depends on conditions and environment:

a/ 10km over near a school - shoot the bastards.
b/ Open road on flat ground, excellent visibility all around, excellent road conditions, no side roads or driveways nearby..20km over ain't so bad.
c/ Twisty tight turny roads - no comment as I do not wish to incriminate myself on a public forum! :rofl:

Ratuscat - are you coming down for Tour of Southland (cyclerace) duties this year?

[merv]

I cringe many a time when I'm near taxis in Wellington and the safest course of action where it is available is to pass them and get well ahead and out of their way. They dawdle along and change lanes willy-nilly without warning and don't impress me much at all.

[Max Preload]

Taxi drivers are the fucking pits. You should see their antics here in Auckland City.

I saw a taxi driver who ran a red and had a headlight out get stopped in the city last weekend by a unmarked black commonwhore with a cop who was dressed like he was CVIU, which seemed at odds with the vehicle. After he was done with the paperwork and the taxi left, my cousin who I was with, wandered over to talk the cop and asked if he was CVIU which it turned out he wasn't despite the cap. He said he just hated taxi drivers! :clap: :niceone: I like the cut of his gib!

Hammer the bastards.

[n0regret5]

you know..i've never griped about traffic cops. you guys are more often friendly and helpful, sometimes i wish there were more of you on the road to catch idiots trying to race me in their cages while i'm passing them legally in a passing lane. and it seems no-one friggin' indicates anymore, or pays any attention to anyone else on the road. good on you mate, i hate taxi drivers. and couriers. the majority of them are ignorant cunts who think they're more important than anyone else on the road. keep up the great work.

[n0regret5]

Most people when caught will feel aggrieved, but applaud the catching of others?
The really pertinent ratio will be who agree/disagree with Katman's diatribes....:argue:

this is a good point - sometimes i've had a bitch about getting nicked for speeding but usually its in good fun cos i KNOW i was in the wrong..people who go on about it not being fair and whatnot piss me off no end.

[Sanx]

I'm a motorcycle traffic cop in Christchurch.

Unclean! Unclean! ;)


Anyway, just the one ticket issued, the red light one.

And good on you for doing that.

And yes, you do get a lot of people - myself definitely in this category - that regularly bag the actions of various cops around the place. But, in my case, I bag them for completely failing to do anything to address road safety, preferring instead to concentrate of revenue-raising activity.

Running red lights is almost always dangerous. And therefore deserves a ticket. Exceeding the posted speed limit, provided the speed is not in excess of that which is safe for the conditions, is rarely ever dangerous. But it would seem most cops, egged on by political pressure, prefer to concentrate on speed rather than doing anything to correct the abysmal standard of driving prevalent in NZ.


Matched very closely by a lot of motorcyclists over inflated opinion of their riding ability.

Oh will you please change the fucken record. This one's getting really really tired.

[varminter]

Indicators are there to use if you're not using your mobile, they are optional, you can go through lights at orange or pink, or red if you're in a hurry. Always leave home late so you can rush to be on time. The speed limit is a minimum, if you're not doing it get the hell out of my way. That's all you need to know to drive on the roads. If I was big and brave I'd carry a hammer and break the indicators of non users, well, they don't need them.

[jafar]

[QUOTE=Ixion;1689754]I trust you pointed out to him that running an orange light is also an offence. And the penalty's the same. QUOTE]

Orange light means slow & prepare to stop. If you are too close to do that then you can go through !!
How do you get that 'running' an orange is an offence & carries the same penalty ?:doh:

[phantom]

How come taxi drivers can get away with not wearing a seat belt. As far as I know they are supposed to follow the same rules everyone else does

[portokiwi]

:niceone: Good on you, I was hit at the lights quite a few years ago.
I have also been hit by a drunk taxi driver who was on duty. I have no remorse in anyone getting done for their stupid actions.
Welcome to the site too.:first:

[rastuscat]

How come taxi drivers can get away with not wearing a seat belt. As far as I know they are supposed to follow the same rules everyone else does

Find the Road User Rule 2004, about Section 7.4 or 7.5

It deals with seatbelts and exemptions. Taxi drivers have an exemption while plying for hire.

Hey, this was not a diatribe about taxi drivers, this was a grizzle about people who have an inflated view of themselves, who regard everyone else as the problem.

[rastuscat]

Looking like no Tour of Southland for me, it hasn't been mentioned yet. I'm guessing that if it was happening, I'd know by now.

[Katman]

Oh will you please change the fucken record. This one's getting really really tired.

Do you actually disagree with my post or are you just wetting your panties because it's me that said it?

[nadroj]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1689851]Find the Road User Rule 2004, about Section 7.4 or 7.5

It deals with seatbelts and exemptions. Taxi drivers have an exemption while plying for hire.

QUOTE]

Is there still a speed limit on this exemption and what other groups does it cover eg postmen / couriers?

[firefighter]

Good on ya for ticketing him, sounds like a right f-wit- you shouldv'e thrown the book at him for being a twat.

And to those hating the couriers.....Iv'e never been one but I imagine that they drive the way they do because they probably have to-not condoning it but hell look at the traffic they fight htrough with timings to meet....and the typical rude N.Z drivers who think your an asshole because you want to change lanes, I reakon theyr'e aggressive driving reflects on the attitude and lack of general road manners.

I say again not condoning it just my opinion of why!!!

[Ixion]

[quote=Ixion;1689754]I trust you pointed out to him that running an orange light is also an offence. And the penalty's the same. QUOTE]

Orange light means slow & prepare to stop. If you are too close to do that then you can go through !!
How do you get that 'running' an orange is an offence & carries the same penalty ?:doh:



Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999 (SR 1999/99) (as at 01 August 2008)

3.2(4)(a) Driver enters controlled area when yellow signal displayed 1,000 - 150 -
3.2(4)(b) Pedestrian enters roadway when yellow signal displayed unless special signal displayed 10 - - -
3.2(5)(a) Driver of vehicle enters controlled area when red signal displayed 1,000 - 150 -
3.2(5)(a) Cyclist enters controlled area beyond cycle limit line when red signal displayed 1,000 - 150 -
3.2(5)(b) Pedestrian enters roadway when red signal displayed unless special signal displayed 10 - - -
3.3(1)(a) Driver proceeds in direction indicated by green arrow without due regard for safety 1,000 - 150 -
3.3(1)(b) Pedestrian enters roadway when green arrow signal displayed unless special signal displayed 10 - - -
3.3(2)(a) Driver enters controlled area when yellow arrow signal displayed 1,000 - 150 -
3.3(2)(b) Pedestrian enters roadway when yellow arrow signal displayed unless special signal displayed 10 - - -
3.3(3)(a) Driver enters controlled area when red arrow signal displayed 1,000 - 150 -



However, you have a valid defence to a charge of running a yellow (= orange : the lawmakers are colour handicapped) light if it would have been unsafe for you to stop (or try to stop). That defence is not available to a charge of running a red.

EDIT:

Also (the actual Road Rule)



and

4.5 Approaching and entering intersections

(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.



So , you must STOP at an orange light unless it would be unsafe (not inconvenient, or difficult) to do so. And it illegal to speed up approaching a traffic light (any intersection, actually) . Not eveyone knows this.

EDITY EDIT: And the light phases are almost always so timed, that a vehicle proceeding legally and prudently will normally be able to safely stop on an ornage light, and certainly well before the light goes red. Nine times out of ten in my observation, drivers proceeding through an orange light could have safely (easily even) have stopped.That is the purpose of the orange light. To allow you to stop before it goes red. Not "oh, I better put my foot down before it goes red".

[rastuscat]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1689851]Find the Road User Rule 2004, about Section 7.4 or 7.5

It deals with seatbelts and exemptions. Taxi drivers have an exemption while plying for hire.

QUOTE]

Is there still a speed limit on this exemption and what other groups does it cover eg postmen / couriers?

No speed clause for the taxi drivers exemption or a medical exemption, supported by a letter granting that examption from a Dr or specialist.

50 km/h limit on EVERY other exemption e.g. delivery drivers, mechanics

[jafar]

[quote=jafar;1689841]



However, you have a valid defence to a charge of running a yellow (= orange : the lawmakers are colour handicapped) light if it would have been unsafe for you to stop (or try to stop). That defence is not available to a charge of running a red.

Thats what I said :argh:

[jafar]

[QUOTE=nadroj;1689872]

No speed clause for the taxi drivers exemption or a medical exemption, supported by a letter granting that examption from a Dr or specialist.

50 km/h limit on EVERY other exemption e.g. delivery drivers, mechanics

Pity some of your collegues up here can't read then. While in a truck (local delivery) one of them charged me with no seat belt. I informed the officer of the regulation & he told me no such exemption exists ! I had to write a letter in, the reply I got from the letter was that I still had to pay the fine or go to court! I told them I would see them in court, I'm still waiting for the summons. :angry:

[CookMySock]

I bet there is a KiwiTaxiDriver forum somewhere that the driver is slating me on. Then everyone climbs on with stories of how they have been done wrong by the revenue collectors.Yeah other people have shit days too, and they get their rant in their forum. He's just doing what he thinks might get him off it, and thats pretty standard. We all get it off our chest and move on.


We often (like, every day) hear the whinges, just don't often get a compliment for catching the offenders in the first place.Well, thanks from me. I can do without that type of behaviour. The only think I ask from coppers, is a fair deal if I just make a mistake - we all make little non-dangerous oopses from time to time - don't hang us from the rafters for it if you don't mind.. I recently got done for four hundy for RUC over (3tonne sticker) - I paid it up within the hour, but nooo they want their pound of flesh :( And if a member of the public really gets victimised by some arsehole, please make it at least look like you care, even if your hands are completely tied from upstairs.

My 15 y/o learner son just got a $170 speeding ticket on his learner bike - thanks for that also.. much appreciated! ;) It was a nasty lesson for him, and a damn good one.

Keep up the good work! :first:


How come taxi drivers can get away with not wearing a seat belt.Many commercial vehicles are allowed seatbelt-off at under 30 km/hr in the course of their work. They should re-belt over 50-70km/hr for their own safety whether the law requires it or otherwise.

Steve

[rastuscat]

The delivery clause says deliveries involving frequent stops. This was meant to include such things as delivering newspapers, where it would be absurd to put a seatbelt on and off at each house. The nlegislators didn't define frequent stops.

Unfortunately drivers have morphed that to include vast distances, expecting the same exemption to apply. Per example, a delivery in New Brighton followed by a delivery in Hornby, 15 km away, I'd hardly regard that as a frequent stop, but lots of people here do. Imagine the protests when we write those ones up.

Q good idea if you get charged is to get a copy of the legislation, and satisfy yourself about what the law ACTUALLY says, don't just settle for what you recall from your own memory. If you have broken the law that is actually written, you'll save your time by avoiding defending a forgone conclusion.

Just random thoughts.

[sinfull]

So, what to you reckon the ratio is?

Like, the ratio of People who whinge about getting tickets - vs - people who think it's a good job, the ticket was deserved for what the person did?

Sadly, the ratio is quite high.We often (like, every day) hear the whinges, just don't often get a compliment for catching the offenders in the first place.

Perhaps a poll might be in order to guage what KBers think !
Never have i bagged a traffic cop or tried to talk my way out of a ticket ! (is it standard procedure to ask offenders why they were speeding, seems i've been asked most every time) Ya get sick of calling yaself an idiot !
Will say i can't wait to see more cops on bikes (to the point where the patrol car drivers should have a stint too) to make them more aware !

I aint no saint and right time right place i do ride over the limit !
One of the more expensive tickets i recently had was coming off the motorway at paremata through the roundabout (clear it was at the time) and was slowing down when the cop saw me through the other side ! Well he never swung to chase me or threw his lights on, so i thought i had got away with it (doing 80 in what had become a 50 just prior to the r/about).
Wasn't till i got on the porirua motor way that a pursuit vehical was waiting on the grass centre, again he waited till i past him before doing the hell donut in the grass and threw his lights on !
Ok so boys will be boys and cops will be boys too but this rabbit weren't gonna run lol so there i was, fair cop 80 in a 50 . But what got me was the comment the first officer made (when he caught up) that i must have accellerated extreemly hard to get up to 80 after exiting the roundabout !
I mean that man needed some time on a bike !!

I will say that i have been guilty in the past for claiming an orange but only as the law says, where it could be dangerous to stop ! (light goes orange, quick glimpse in rear view, dog breath tailgater up my jacksie, i'll go through !)
Same when i was driving the rigs, depends on the conditions, if its wet and slippery a 40 odd tonne gross unit would likely lock up and slide through, so have run oranges on occation in them, slowing down not speeding up !


Indicating is another of my quirks (never had a ticket for it) seems to be a habit of mine, where i'll only let ppl know what i'm up to if they need to know ! (where i might cause confusion if i don't, or right of way insues) Very rarely will i indicate on an empty road !
The new roundabout indication rule, haha i recon that sucks ! Particularly straight through a 4 way r/bout, ggrrr i aint going right so why indicate such (unless there is someone to my left) then switch to say im going straight by indicating left ! 90% of drivers at such roundabouts, stop, then wonder what the rules are for a few seconds, then look for indicators, pffffft i'm a hundy mtrs up the road by then even if they should have r/o/way otherwise the flow stops cause that 90% don't know the rules !
Those who know the r/o/way rules get my courtesy as, though i may be aggressive, i'm not an arsehole !
Hell i help old ladies accross the road ! (the younger ones i help all the way home)

[rastuscat]

I'm smiling at some of the responses. Thanks for the massive response. Makes me wonder how everyone finds time while presumably at work to flash onto KB :)

I have been told the "Someone was so close behind me I couldn't stop for the orange" so often, mainly by people with nobody behind them at all. It appears to just be a pre-prepared response.

One trend I have noticed is the remarkable trend of people who don't speed don't get speeding tickets. Likewise for seatbelts, people wearing them tend not to get tickets. And lots of other things, don't do it, don't get the ticket.

Anyone else noticed that?

[MSTRS]

I aint no saint and right time right place i do ride over the limit !


Ditto. But the right time is sometimes a retrospective thing!!:whistle:

[sinfull]

I'm smiling at some of the responses. Thanks for the massive response. Makes me wonder how everyone finds time while presumably at work to flash onto KB :)Today ends in Y dont work on Y days !

Likewise for seatbelts, people wearing them tend not to get tickets. And lots of other things, don't do it, don't get the ticket.

Anyone else noticed that?
Yeah ! If i had been wearing my seatbelt on the 4th of july, i would prolly still have a licence (not to mention the demerit points)

Roll on summer !

You guys do a good job (hard one but someones got to) In my 30 odd yrs with a licence i've only met one or two arrogant pratts !

Well done, keep up the good work !

[McJim]

One trend I have noticed is the remarkable trend of people who don't speed don't get speeding tickets. Likewise for seatbelts, people wearing them tend not to get tickets. And lots of other things, don't do it, don't get the ticket.

Anyone else noticed that?
erm....I think in my case it's probably just been luck.....so far...:rofl:

[MSTRS]

*stuff about being good*

Anyone else noticed that?

Mostly, yes. But there have been instances of imported cops pinging people for stuff that is legal here, but not where the cop comes from. And harassing people for no cause other than the cop has the opinion that they don't belong in the car they're driving. My son in our family wagon is one. Oh, I know that there are good reasons for this practice, but it grates on the innocent.

[Mikkel]

Good on ya mate! I don't know if the update that'll introduce demerit points for running the reds has been instated yet... but it's about bloody time. 75 demerits for running the reds sounds good to me.

I see it every day on my way across town - and it's getting worse and worse too.


I have been told the "Someone was so close behind me I couldn't stop for the orange" so often, mainly by people with nobody behind them at all. It appears to just be a pre-prepared response.

Well, I have often considered if I could get a new rear bumper by being very "cautious" approaching the lights.

[McJim]

Do you actually disagree with my post or are you just wetting your panties because it's me that said it?

I think he's irritated because it was said AND because you said it again...and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again............

[Katman]

I think he's irritated because it was said AND because you said it again...and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again............

Do you feel better now?

It won't be the last time you hear it either.

[Devil]

The new roundabout indication rule, haha i recon that sucks ! Particularly straight through a 4 way r/bout, ggrrr i aint going right so why indicate such (unless there is someone to my left) then switch to say im going straight by indicating left ! 90% of drivers at such roundabouts, stop, then wonder what the rules are for a few seconds, then look for indicators, pffffft i'm a hundy mtrs up the road by then even if they should have r/o/way otherwise the flow stops cause that 90% don't know the rules !


1) It's not a new rule. It's an old rule they're only now putting an emphasis on enforcing

2) You're not supposed to indicate right if you're going straight through the roundabout. You dont signal entering it, then you signal left before your exit. It makes complete sense and you're talking about how OTHERS have trouble with it? :Pokey:

Small caveat on the straight through roundabout thing: On some wonky roundabouts where you're technically going straight through, but the design of the road is unclear, it makes sense to indicate as such to make it clear to others where you're going.

[MSTRS]

1) It's not a new rule. It's an old rule they're only now putting an emphasis on enforcing

2) You're not supposed to indicate right if you're going straight through the roundabout. You dont signal entering it, then you signal left as you're leaving. It makes complete sense and you're talking about how OTHERS have trouble with it? :Pokey:

On a 4 point (for eg) 'most' of us signal right on approach if we are taking the 3rd exit, and then left as we pass the 2nd exit. Don't we?

[Devil]

On a 4 point (for eg) 'most' of us signal right on approach if we are taking the 3rd exit, and then left as we pass the 2nd exit. Don't we?

If you mean you enter at #1, pass #2 and exit at #3 (straight ahead), then no, you dont signal right on approach. (Unless it's a really funky shape)

[MSTRS]

Ah no...I mean when the 3rd exit is on your right as you approach. Like making a right turn in the absence of a roundabout.

[Devil]

Ah no...I mean when the 3rd exit is on your right as you approach. Like making a right turn in the absence of a roundabout.

Then yes, completely correct.

The logic:
To the people on your left and at the straight ahead exit, you're showing them that you're going to cross their path, then once you've passed the straight ahead one, you'll signal left to let the people at the 3rd exit (the one you're planning on taking) know that you're leaving the roundabout and it's (most likely) going to be safe to consider pulling out.

[sinfull]

If you mean you enter at #1, pass #2 and exit at #3 (straight ahead), then no, you dont signal right on approach. (Unless it's a really funky shape)
Didn't say others had trouble with it man read it again ! i said it sucks !
So your saying i dont indicate right as i enter (which i dont anyhow lol see no problems with it) and only indicate left as i get to the road on my left ? haha have to be a big roundabout is what im saying, lol by the time i'm paralell with the road on my left so i could indicate safely, so the bloke coming out of said road on my left, dont shoot out and ram me thinking im turning left, i'm on my exit run out the next exit obviously not turning right !
If it were a big r/bout and there was a car/bike/truck slowing for it coming straight at me (as i said curtious) I'd be more inclined to point where im going with a flash of the arm !

I have done it on occasion and as an aggressive rider/driver its bloody near pointless !~

[Devil]

Didn't say others had trouble with it man read it again !



90% of drivers at such roundabouts, stop, then wonder what the rules are for a few seconds, then look for indicators

... sounds like others have trouble with it...

Yes, on small roundabouts it doesn't give much time.

[Ragingrob]

Well with some of the driving I've seen by taxi drivers around Auckland I was not surprised at all with that story. Driving including U-turns all over the place in front of people and in no u-turn zones, erratic "parking" i.e. just slamming on the brakes when someone signals to them, even if I biker is behind. Not to mention having been in a taxi at 80kph along 50kph streets until I told him "Fuck man I ain't in a rush so take it easy!".

He probably hasn't had a ticket in the last 30 years cause he's used his big whinge excuse and been let off 30 times!

[sinfull]

... sounds like others have trouble with it...

Yes, on small roundabouts it doesn't give much time.

Was talking bout who has right of way ! You cant tell me more than 10 % of NZ drivers know the right of way rules ! You see it everyday at roundabouts , they sit there at 3 entry points looking at one another stupidly, was all i was saying !
But yes ya did pull me up on the indicate right as ya enter and good on ya that would be a bling to you i could be wrong !

[FJRider]

Q good idea if you get charged is to get a copy of the legislation, and satisfy yourself about what the law ACTUALLY says, don't just settle for what you recall from your own memory. If you have broken the law that is actually written, you'll save your time by avoiding defending a forgone conclusion.



And leave the legal profession with nothing to do ??? Defending forgone conclusion's is the Kiwi way... :rockon:

[jimbo600]

One trend I have noticed is the remarkable trend of people who don't speed don't get speeding tickets. Likewise for seatbelts, people wearing them tend not to get tickets. And lots of other things, don't do it, don't get the ticket.

Anyone else noticed that?

Yeah I hear ya, but when I'm away from the main highways and its a primo day with no traffic, its hard to stick to 100k's mate.

Damn hard keeping it on two wheels for that matter.

[phantom]

Find the Road User Rule 2004, about Section 7.4 or 7.5

It deals with seatbelts and exemptions. Taxi drivers have an exemption while plying for hire.

Hey, this was not a diatribe about taxi drivers, this was a grizzle about people who have an inflated view of themselves, who regard everyone else as the problem.

I stand corrected. I suspect it dates back to when taxi drivers got out of their cars and opened the doors for their customers. I find that taxi drivers are no better and no worse than other "professional" drivers

[shafty]

Good post Rastus, take a bow.

[awayatc]

One trend I have noticed is the remarkable trend of people who don't speed don't get speeding tickets. Anyone else noticed that?

Now where is the fun in that.....?
Might as well take the bus....
Or get a bike with flashing lights!!!!:Police:
Swap.....?

[yungatart]

Do you feel better now?

It won't be the last time you hear it either.

Well! Looks like we all have something to look forward to, then eh?

[Sanx]

One trend I have noticed is the remarkable trend of people who don't speed don't get speeding tickets. Likewise for seatbelts, people wearing them tend not to get tickets. And lots of other things, don't do it, don't get the ticket.

I hope you're not trying to justify the massive increase in speeding tickets as a road safety measure though. Or the complete abandonment of common sense that accompanied it.


Do you feel better now?

It won't be the last time you hear it either.

And just because you repeat yourself over and over and over and over again doesn't make what you're saying correct.

[Swoop]

Matched very closely by a lot of motorcyclists over inflated opinion of their riding ability.
Kataflam will reduce this... not.

Just random thoughts.
You are talking a bit of sense, unlike the resident rectal-cranial inversion above...

Small caveat on the straight through roundabout thing: On some wonky roundabouts...
This is a kiwi problem where the size of a "roundabout" is the same as a labour politician's brain. Bloody small!
The European roundabout's allow for people to enter, travel around a bit (approx 3 hours) and then exit at their leisure.
We have a lot to learn...

[dipshit]

Indicating is another of my quirks (never had a ticket for it) seems to be a habit of mine, where i'll only let ppl know what i'm up to if they need to know ! (where i might cause confusion if i don't, or right of way insues) Very rarely will i indicate on an empty road !


The road code says to indicate if turning - not indicate only if someone is around.

It's usually the one you didn't see that gets you.




The new roundabout indication rule, haha i recon that sucks ! Particularly straight through a 4 way

I was going to suggest to *actually* go and read the road code, but can see others have already mentioned this with you.

[Patrick]

I then got a lecture about how good a driver the driver was, how law abiding too, how I should go catch a boy racer or a gang member, how the driver hadn't had a ticket in 30 years, further details of the fabulous driving skills,more details of the advanced driving skills, etc. Oh, and it was orange.

They must be yakking on the net. This must be the new bullshit line to feed coppers. One of my crew had one exactly the same here in the Naki, word for word!!!! Only difference was he added, "I didn't hit anyone, so whats your fucken problem?"


Won't get any complaints here about issuing tickets for red light runners.

Just complaints about everything else....:crybaby:

QUOTE]

Orange light means slow & prepare to stop. If you are too close to do that then you can go through !!
How do you get that 'running' an orange is an offence & carries the same penalty ?:doh:[/QUOTE]

IF (note - big IF) you are too close, this is true. The ones we see all the time are the ones who can stop, could stop, but don't. They accellerate or hit the lines just as the lights go red... Those are the ones who get a $150 pinger...


It deals with seatbelts and exemptions. Taxi drivers have an exemption while plying for hire.


[QUOTE=nadroj;1689872]

No speed clause for the taxi drivers exemption or a medical exemption, supported by a letter granting that examption from a Dr or specialist.

50 km/h limit on EVERY other exemption e.g. delivery drivers, mechanics

Correct me if I am wrong, Rastuscat.... over 50kmph zones, all taxi drivers, delivery, mechanics whatever and couriers must wear a belt?


Q good idea if you get charged is to get a copy of the legislation, and satisfy yourself about what the law ACTUALLY says,

Funny.... On here they would rather have the bush lawyers feed out crap and take it as gospel at times....


Makes me wonder how everyone finds time while presumably at work to flash onto KB :)

Porn is bad.... apparently...... sigh......


And harassing people for no cause other than the cop has the opinion that they don't belong in the car they're driving. My son in our family wagon is one. Oh, I know that there are good reasons for this practice, but it grates on the innocent.

How many tickets did he get to be "grated"?????


I stand corrected. I suspect it dates back to when taxi drivers got out of their cars and opened the doors for their customers.

Haven't times changed. That chivalry is long dead. When did anyone last see a cabbie get out and open a door for anyone?

[Mom]

Oh good. Can you have a busman's holiday up here? The local plod don't seem all that interested in this sort of dodgy shit. Do you 'do' roundabouts as well?

No he can't! He must come up here! We only have 2 sets of traffic lights in our little town, but we have heaps of compulsary stops that many have trouble obeying. Here first please! Well done that man, red light runners should be disqualified!




And harassing people for no cause other than the cop has the opinion that they don't belong in the car they're driving.

My eldest daughter stands a mighty 5' tall and is a generally tiny female with long blonde hair. She was very motivated to get her freedom and had her full license as soon as she possibly could once she turned 15. She used to transport her less motivated mates about the place and get pulled over all the time for no reason at all! For shits and giggles she used to see how many times a night she could get pulled over, 4 was her record!

She is 21 now and still gets pulled over for no reason...LOL Oh and a few times for good reason, she has lead foot apparently

[yungatart]

How many tickets did he get to be "grated"?????




Actually, he has had 1 ticket over 2 years ago for doing 62 in a 50 and that was on his bike.
He was driving our family car (3.8L Holden Wagon), and was stopped. Rego, WOF and licence check..all good,
then "Is this your car?"
"No, it's my parents car"
"Do you have permission to be driving it?"
"Yep, sure do"
Then he got a lecture about how irresponsible it was of us, as parents, to let him drive such a big car...blah, blah, blah.
Zac responded, "Actually, that's their decision to make, not yours"

No ticket, he'd done nothing wrong...

[sinfull]

The road code says to indicate if turning - not indicate only if someone is around.

It's usually the one you didn't see that gets you. Mate i am All seeing !!

I was going to suggest to *actually* go and read the road code, but can see others have already mentioned this with you.

What has reading the road code got to do with me having an opinion that that indicating rule sucks my dipshit friend ?

Oh and you dont break any rules at all ???? Do ya read the road code often ??

[Sanx]

My eldest daughter stands a mighty 5' tall and is a generally tiny female with long blonde hair ... She is 21 now and still gets pulled ...

10 chars, blah-di-blah

[PrincessBandit]

:niceone:
Welcome to the site too.:first:
Yes, indeed, welcome!


Do you actually disagree with my post or are you just wetting your panties because it's me that said it?
Come, come Steve, you know no-one else can do it quite like you here!





My 15 y/o learner son just got a $170 speeding ticket on his learner bike - thanks for that also.. much appreciated! ;) It was a nasty lesson for him, and a damn good one.

Steve
Oh dear, the young fella got caught. Hopefully a hard lesson learnt well. His dad wouldn't be setting a bad example for him would he? :whistle: (only kidding).


I'm smiling at some of the responses. Thanks for the massive response. Makes me wonder how everyone finds time while presumably at work to flash onto KB :)



Yep, lots of perverts who like to flash on here.......

I think he's irritated because it was said AND because you said it again...and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again....and again............
Am I the only one here with enough air between my ears to hear that echo??

Well! Looks like we all have something to look forward to, then eh?
Yup. Oh, btw, love the new avatar.


what gets me is the number of people who squeal loudly when they actually know they're in the wrong. Denial is an ugly thing.

[CB ARGH]

Red light runners are the scum of the universe and more dangerous than open-road speeders.
Glad some cock got what they deserve.

Many wish their cock got what it deserves. :shifty:

I hate red light runners, absolutely shocking.

[Banesto John]

Hey Patrick, the Cat is offline, so here goes. The taxi ops get a blanket exemption, not restricted to 50. Notably, this exemption is against the Road User Rule, not the law of physics. If they crash, this examption does not stop them goinmg through a windscreen.

Road User Rule 2004

7.10 Persons of or over 15 years must wear seat belt and keep
it fastened
A person of or over the age of 15 years who is in a motor
vehicle in motion on a road and who is occupying a seat that is
fitted with a seat belt (whether that seat belt is an approved
seat belt or not) must wear the seat belt and must ensure that it
is securely fastened.

7.11 Exceptions to application of requirements relating to use
of child restraints and seat belts
(1) The requirements of clauses 7.7 to 7.10 do not apply to a
driver (whether imposed in respect of himself or herself or any
child), or to a passenger in any motor vehicle, if the driver or
passenger produces to an enforcement officer, whenever
required to do so by that officer, a certificate from a registered
medical practitioner certifying that the restraining of the person
who would otherwise be required by those provisions to
be restrained by a child restraint or seat belt is impracticable
or undesirable for medical reasons.
(2) A driver or passenger who seeks to rely on subclause (1) must,
if so required by an enforcement officer, produce the certifi-
cate to an enforcement officer within 7 days after having been
so required.
(3) The requirements of clauses 7.7 to 7.10 do not apply to a
driver (whether imposed in respect of himself or herself or any
child), or to a passenger in any vehicle, if the person who
would otherwise be required by those provisions to be
restrained by a child restraint or seat belt—
(a) is the driver and, while complying with the requirements
of those clauses, could not reasonably operate
effectively any of the following items of equipment:
(i) footbrake or handbrake controls:
(ii) headlamp or foglamp:
(iii) direction-indicator control:
(iv) horn:
(v) windscreen-wiper control:
(vi) choke:
(vii) driver’s sun visor; or
(b) is the driver of a vehicle that is travelling in reverse, and
would not be able to reverse the vehicle in a safe manner
if the driver were to comply with the requirements
of those clauses; or
(c) is the driver of a taxi plying for hire; or
(d) is a person who—
(i) is engaged in the course of his or her employment
in the delivery or collection of mail or newspapers
or other goods, or the servicing of the
vehicle, or meter reading or other similar duties,
or spraying or other similar duties from the
vehicle; and
(ii) for that purpose is required to alight from and reenter
the vehicle at frequent intervals, so long as
the vehicle is travelling at a speed not exceeding
50 km per hour; or
(e) is an enforcement officer or prison officer travelling
with another person who is not an enforcement officer
or prison officer in circumstances in which it is impracticable
or undesirable to wear a seat belt.
(4) The requirements of clauses 7.7, 7.8, and 7.10 do not apply to
a driver (whether imposed in respect of himself or herself or
any child), or to a passenger in any vehicle, if the person who
would otherwise be required by those provisions to be
restrained by a child restraint or seat belt is the driver of a bus.
(5) The requirements of clause 7.6 do not apply to a driver
(whether imposed in respect of himself or herself or any
child), or to a passenger in any vehicle, if the driver—
(a) is driving a passenger service vehicle in which no
appropriate child restraints are available; or
(b) is driving a goods vehicle having an unladen weight
exceeding 2 000 kg in which no seat belts are available;
or
(c) is driving a motor vehicle first registered before 1 January
1955 in which no seat belts are available; or
(d) is driving a motorcycle; or
(e) is driving a motor vehicle that is being used by an
enforcement officer in the execution of the officer’s
duty.

[dipshit]

What has reading the road code got to do with me having an opinion that that indicating rule sucks my dipshit friend ?

The road code tells you *not* to indicate coming into a roundabout if going straight through. It always has.




Oh and you dont break any rules at all ???? Do ya read the road code often ??

You should try reading it at least once.

[sinfull]

The road code tells you *not* to indicate coming into a roundabout if going straight through. It always has.





You should try reading it at least once.
And if you had read the conversation that Devil and i had re that comment you would see that i had already acknowledged my mistake on that subject my dipshit friend !

It has been read sir ! Do you troll often ?

[Ixion]

Hey Patrick, the Cat is offline, so here goes. The taxi ops get a blanket exemption, not restricted to 50.

Road User Rule 2004



7.11 Exceptions to application of requirements relating to use
of child restraints and seat belts
..
(c) is the driver of a taxi plying for hire; or
(d) is a person who—
(i) is engaged in the course of his or her employment
in the delivery or collection of mail or newspapers
or other goods, or the servicing of the
vehicle, or meter reading or other similar duties,
or spraying or other similar duties from the
vehicle; and
(ii) for that purpose is required to alight from and reenter
the vehicle at frequent intervals, so long as
the vehicle is travelling at a speed not exceeding
50 km per hour; or
..

Que? I read that as taxi drivers . and delivery drivers ARE the only ones limited to 50kph if not wearing a belt.

Buses, cars older than 1955, cops, cars travelling in reverse ( !!) are all good for 100kph with no belts.

[Ixion]

Just complaints about everything else....:crybaby:


But the feline gentleman is a BIKEY cop. No radar on the bike (well, they were experimenting a while ago, but I haven't heard of any going live with bike mounted radar. Correct me if I'm wrong). No radar = good guy. AND he catches red light runners. A worthy replacement to our original , now mutated Bikeycop, who also used to stalk the red light fraternity.

[MSTRS]

Denial is an ugly thing.

Ummm...no, it isn't...:wari:

[Katman]

Come, come Steve, you know no-one else can do it quite like you here!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHe-iwAI9BE

:msn-wink:

[McJim]

Denial is an ugly thing.

Nah, it's just a huge African river where Moses was found.:rofl:

[Skyryder]

And I'll write the same ticket every time I see that offence, as people who crash red lights hit people sometimes.

Just venting.


Yep my thoughts too. That why I potted the cop on the bike who ran the red light on Moorhouse house Ave. when they were doing the bike trials here in Christchurch awhile back. Filled out all the forms with the appropiate dates time location etc. Never head anymore about it.


Skyryder

[Swoop]

No radar on the bike (well, they were experimenting a while ago, but I haven't heard of any going live with bike mounted radar. Correct me if I'm wrong). No radar = good guy.
Laser, though.
Pretty sure that the object being held up to a bike-mounted cop's eye and connected to the bike with a cable (whilst stationary) was a laser unit.

[Ixion]

Yep. Laser they have. Standing orders forbid them using it while moving.

I'm not too worried about laser. The old Mk II eyeball (if you're still using the MK I , I recomemnd an upgrade), copes well with them.

[PrincessBandit]

Ummm...no, it isn't...:wari:

Ace Ventura and I beg to differ.:bleh:
(refer post 77)

[1 Free Man]

Oh good. Can you have a busman's holiday up here? The local plod don't seem all that interested in this sort of dodgy shit. Do you 'do' roundabouts as well?
When Ya done with Napier pop up to Tauranga and have a clean up here to.
Go for it Rastuscat. Nail the buggers to the wall. Red light runners need there asses kicked big time.:niceone:

[pzkpfw]

Orange light means slow & prepare to stop. If you are too close to do that then you can go through !!

I have never understood this, and I really really hate the idea of it.

If you can stop, then just freakin' do it.

If you can't, then get on with it (no, I don't mean speed up for an
orange).

But what's with the slow thing? Is that just to really make sure you are still in the middle of the intersection when it goes red? I don't see the point of it.

To me:
Green means go (but watch for red light runners!).
Orange means stop (unless you can't).
Red means stop.

Simple.

(I admit to going through some oranges that I probably could have stopped for).

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Recently realised another good thing about indicating left when you exit a roundabout ...even where your left indicator isn't really going to be seen by anyone improtant: it does guarantee that your right indicator (if you did an actual "right-turn" so used it when you entered) is turned off to let the next person around know you are not continuing.

---

In 22 years I've had exactly two tickets (one for not indicating a full 3 seconds for a lane change, and one for 116 in a 100). Both in my car. Both from a bike cop.

I grumbled, and still do, but can't argue the law - I broke it.

[Banesto John]

Yep my thoughts too. That why I potted the cop on the bike who ran the red light on Moorhouse house Ave. when they were doing the bike trials here in Christchurch awhile back. Filled out all the forms with the appropiate dates time location etc. Never head anymore about it.


Skyryder


The trial was in 2005. Maybe the response is just taking a while to get through.........

[Irontusk]

I have never 'ever' seen a cop indicate out of a roundabout.

I don't know what is going through people's minds when they run reds.. :weird: But the 'car behind me' thing is always something I try to watch for.. Commodores are supposed to be known for being heavy and opposed to stopping, but if my 20 year old VLs can then I don't see how so many other people seem to be so incapable.

And the post about parents letting their kids drive their 'large' cars.. people need to ask themselves this, who (generally) park better and have a better judgement of how much space they're taking up? Drivers of small cars or large cars?.. I learnt in my Commdore and I never had any problem (a complicated ignition problem may have sent me into a tree though :Oops:)

[Skyryder]

I trust you pointed out to him that running an orange light is also an offence. And the penalty's the same.

Not exactly.

A yellow signal means stop, unless you are so close to the intersection that you can't stop safely.

There is no obligation on the part of the driver to explain the reason that it was unsafe to stop. In other words you are not giving evidence. In fact it would be wise to give no explanation and point out in the cross that you are entitled to proceed.

The law states explicity that you can proceed if you believe that it is 'unsafe' for you to stop. However you must be clear of the intersection by the time that the light turns red. If you have not cleared the intersection then you have run a red light and get ticketed and rightly so.

One other thing that many do not know' it is 'unlawfull' to enter an intersection even on a green light 'untlil' that intersection is clear. In effect both vehicles are at fault if there is a crash on a controlled intersection.


Skyryder.


PS Welcom on board 'cat. Hope you have fun on here. Most of us do.:love:

[normajeane]

We are hanging out for traffic lights and roundamobouts in the riveriera in the south for scumdog to get ansy about all this.
Meanwhile while in Surfers a few days ago we had no trouble with the law and the lights and roundamobouts worked just fine. Very hospitable were the commuters and let us in when pulling out and changing lanes (of course when blinkers on)
Pity the TV is affected by snow at present and SD is struggling with all the remotes.. No Olympics even onpoor mans TV - snowing!!!!!

[rustycharm]

After many years of ticket free driving and riding, i got pinged the other day doing slightly over the posted 50 down a fairly main road in Albany. Had the RD turned off (yeah good one eh) and was just not paying attention.... said as much to Mr plain clothes police man and called it a 'fair cop' - said I'd take my punishment and go quietly and the guy almost fell over backwards.
It seems owning up to the offence is not a common thing thesedays ...

nice bloke dropped a km off so it meant 20 demerits instead of 35

Can't be an easy job at times!

[Sanx]

After many years of ticket free driving and riding, i got pinged the other day doing slightly over the posted 50 down a fairly main road in Albany. Had the RD turned off (yeah good one eh) and was just not paying attention

...

Can't be an easy job at times!

Absolutely in agreement with you. Being a cop must be one of the hardest job of all when you're dealing with rapists, murderers, child molesters and so on.

But pinging someone for slightly exceeding a purely arbitrary speed limit in circumstances that pose no danger to anyone is, not only counter-productive to road safety and the public's trust in the Police, but the easiest and most pointless job imaginable. It's precisely that sort of mindless action that alienates the average Joe and makes people drive with one eye constantly on the speedo to the detriment of their concentration on the road. You might have been blasé and accepting about it, but you shouldn't be.

[rustycharm]

But pinging someone for slightly exceeding a purely arbitrary speed limit in circumstances that pose no danger to anyone is, not only counter-productive to road safety and the public's trust in the Police, but the easiest and most pointless job imaginable. It's precisely that sort of mindless action that alienates the average Joe and makes people drive with one eye constantly on the speedo to the detriment of their concentration on the road. You might have been blasé and accepting about it, but you shouldn't be.

Well - the limits have to start somewhere otherwise we end up relying on the discretion of each individual police officer making a judgement call per offence. Whereas I hit a reasonable bloke just doing his job... can you imagine being pulled over by a female PO with severe PMT having just been pissed off by the previous loon before you and you decide to take issue with her 'judgement'?? - it'd be curtains for you buddy whilst you argued your case detailed above. .... :bye: (thats me waving at you whilst you are being tasered by said individual female PO)

[Irontusk]

Absolutely in agreement with you. Being a cop must be one of the hardest job of all when you're dealing with rapists, murderers, child molesters and so on.

But pinging someone for slightly exceeding a purely arbitrary speed limit in circumstances that pose no danger to anyone is, not only counter-productive to road safety and the public's trust in the Police, but the easiest and most pointless job imaginable. It's precisely that sort of mindless action that alienates the average Joe and makes people drive with one eye constantly on the speedo to the detriment of their concentration on the road. You might have been blasé and accepting about it, but you shouldn't be.

It pisses me off that I got a ticket for speeding (the other 3 times I've been stopped I was doing nothing wrong at all, they just thought it was important to waste time) and it was clear that nothing was going to be changed by the way the guy was yelling at me, but I know whole families of idiots who drive drunk just about EVERY night and get let off on it when they're stopped (how?! I don't know) and the sons get let off on breaking licence restrictions at the same time. Just makes me think there must be alot of useless cops out there.

[rustycharm]

There surely is an element of revenue collecting to the job with ticket quotas and stuff.... so surely they target people who appear most likely to be able to pay the fines?

[Irontusk]

There surely is an element of revenue collecting to the job with ticket quotas and stuff.... so surely they target people who appear most likely to be able to pay the fines?

I was in my sisters $2000 Corolla (My car was off the road) and the father in this other family (the worst of the lot, where do you think they learnt the habit?) drives either a $90000 HSV Senator or older Clubsport.. does the company director or student on the way home from school look like they have more money?

And yes, I know I shouldn't have been speeding.. but a bit of consitency would be nice wouldn't it? Shit, when I was in school a girl in my year crashed into the back of a cop car stopped at a roundabout on her way back from sitting her licence, she got off totally free. Yay for 'good' cops eh..

[scumdog]

And yes, I know I shouldn't have been speeding.. but a bit of consitency would be nice wouldn't it? Shit, when I was in school a girl in my year crashed into the back of a cop car stopped at a roundabout on her way back from sitting her licence, she got off totally free. Yay for 'good' cops eh..

And I know girls who rooted without contreception too.

Some got knocked-up, some didn't.

No consistency.

[MaxB]

I'm amazed that no one has mentioned Taxis etc (maybe its a South Auckalnd thing) that GO on the red. I see at least 1 driver per day stopping on the red and then going whenever they decide it is clear. Either end of Wiri Station Road and out by the airport are the usual places I see this shit going on but it is so common these days I guess people get used to it.

[Irontusk]

And I know girls who rooted without contreception too.

Some got knocked-up, some didn't.

No consistency.

That is.. um, how you say.. different. Failing to stop isn't quite the same as failing to concieve. Just one of the seemingly infinite examples of NZs useless police force (everyone has some sort of story of someone getting away with something that they simply shouldn't have) is all I was providing.

Ahhhh, cops who don't know the alphabet :weird: that's an example on a national scale (that's clearly not directed at you, you seem to be literate)

[jrandom]

For what it's worth, in my experience, taxi drivers are fuckin' shocking. They are not, generally speaking, 'professional drivers'.

Stuff like this becomes acutely noticeable when you're putting in significant miles around Auckland on a pushbike (due to being a feeelthy lawbreaking speeder most deservedly deprived of a driver's licence by Her Majesty's Government, etc).

Big rigs and buses are the vehicles I feel safest around.

Truckies are invariably courteous, even when I'm redlining up a narrow hilly street at 12kph and can't move over to the left enough to let them past, etc. They get lots of appreciative waves from me.

Buses are a bit more aggressive, but I've never had the impression from a bus driver that he's failed to see me. They just expect me to look after myself on the road, and don't pussy-foot around. Fair enough, we have to share bus lanes, they have passengers to take care of, etc. And they tend to proceed at just the right speed to allow a bicycle to draft behind them along main roads. I even had one lean out her driver's window and yell an apology after stopping too far forward in a traffic jam to allow me to pedal around and filter through.

But your average taxi driver is just blind and homicidal. They're nothing more than Mk I Weetbix-packet-licence cagers with a bad attitude who are always in a hurry.

So, good onya, ratuscat. Nail those motherfuckers.

:niceone:

[Grahameeboy]

For what it's worth, in my experience, taxi drivers are fuckin' shocking. They are not, generally speaking, 'professional drivers'.

Stuff like this becomes acutely noticeable when you're putting in significant miles around Auckland on a pushbike (due to being a feeelthy lawbreaking speeder most deservedly deprived of a driver's licence by Her Majesty's Government, etc).

Big rigs and buses are the vehicles I feel safest around.

Truckies are invariably courteous, even when I'm redlining up a narrow hilly street at 12kph and can't move over to the left enough to let them past, etc. They get lots of appreciative waves from me.

Buses are a bit more aggressive, but I've never had the impression from a bus driver that he's failed to see me. They just expect me to look after myself on the road, and don't pussy-foot around. Fair enough, we have to share bus lanes, they have passengers to take care of, etc. And they tend to proceed at just the right speed to allow a bicycle to draft behind them along main roads. I even had one lean out her driver's window and yell an apology after stopping too far forward in a traffic jam to allow me to pedal around and filter through.

But your average taxi driver is just blind and homicidal. They're nothing more than Mk I Weetbix-packet-licence cagers with a bad attitude who are always in a hurry.

So, good onya, ratuscat. Nail those motherfuckers.

:niceone:

I see more "Average" drivers running red lights...quite a few old biddies too...

[MSTRS]

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Recently realised another good thing about indicating left when you exit a roundabout ...even where your left indicator isn't really going to be seen by anyone improtant: it does guarantee that your right indicator (if you did an actual "right-turn" so used it when you entered) is turned off to let the next person around know you are not continuing.

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If only it were so simple. That is how it is supposed to work, but then people get involved in the process.
Put yourself, on your bike, in the position of that next enteree...do you trust the indicator says they will do exactly what it says they will?

[Bruiser]

Ratuscat - are you coming down for Tour of Southland (cyclerace) duties this year?

You looking to keep your perfect record there, Jim!

[McJim]

You looking to keep your perfect record there, Jim!

Bike cops don't have radars......yet:2thumbsup

[MSTRS]

Bike cops don't have radars......yet:2thumbsup

No, they don't. But they are just as fast (or faster) than you on yours, can go much the same places and they are better riders. Failing that, they have radios...
Scary, eh?

[McJim]

No, they don't. But they are just as fast (or faster) than you on yours, can go much the same places and they are better riders. Failing that, they have radios...
Scary, eh?

Yeah, coz we all know what a bad boy I am eh?:rofl:

[MSTRS]

Yeah, coz we all know what a bad boy I am eh?:rofl:

We-e-ll, ye're aye frae Glasgie....

[scumdog]

We-e-ll, ye're aye frae Glasgie....

An' we aw know whit kind a' eedjit comes frae there eh??:clap:

[MSTRS]

An' we aw know whit kind a' eedjit comes frae there eh??:clap:

Aye, we do...:bleh:

[Sollyboy]

Thank goodness at least one cop is targeting red light offences, good on you , red light runners and people running stop sign is my pet hate

[Swoop]

We are hanging out for traffic lights and roundamobouts in the riveriera in the south ...
Fight them for all you are worth!
Stupid inventions that make cagers even dumber!

I'm amazed that no one has mentioned Taxis etc (maybe its a South Auckalnd thing) that GO on the red. I see at least 1 driver per day stopping on the red and then going whenever they decide it is clear.
I was quite amazed by a boi ricer several hours ago. Us normal plebs were waiting to turn right at a give way (T junction) when this retard with a baby-seat in the passenger seat, goes up the inside then turns right, in front of the rest of the queue, carves up the traffic coming from the left, and "doof-doof's" off up the road...:shit:

:ar15:

[FJRider]

You should try reading it at least once.

He' waiting for the movie...:whistle:

[McJim]

We-e-ll, ye're aye frae Glasgie....


An' we aw know whit kind a' eedjit comes frae there eh??:clap:


Aye, we do...:bleh:

Your ancestors will be spinnin' in their graves fellas. Casting aspersions on yer weegie background!:rofl:

[yungatart]

Your ancestors will be spinnin' in their graves fellas. Casting aspersions on yer weegie background!:rofl:

Its okay..his Mum is from there..but she's not dead yet...

[mdooher]

Not exactly.


There is no obligation on the part of the driver to explain the reason that it was unsafe to stop.

However you must be clear of the intersection by the time that the light turns red. If you have not cleared the intersection then you have run a red light and get ticketed and rightly so.

One other thing that many do not know' it is 'unlawfull' to enter an intersection even on a green light 'untlil' that intersection is clear. In effect both vehicles are at fault if there is a crash on a controlled intersection.
:

Dead right about the first one...you should just say " I didn't believe I had time to stop officer" If the officer says something like " you must have been going too fast" say..."Anything is possible but I didn't believe I had time to stop" If he says "I think you did" etc you say......well you get the idea

Pretty sure the offence is "entering the control zone" not being in it nor exiting it. ie if the light isn't red when you cross the limit line you did not run a red

And that last paragraph is a widely held misconception... You may not enter an intersection if your exit is blocked by STATIONARY traffic. This is why you can enter the intersection if your intention is to turn right and there is still traffic coming straight through...however only one vehicle may do this at a time or else the exit is blocked by stationary traffic(the vehicle in the front)

Remember a roundabout is an intersection...

[mdooher]

Just read my own post..it looks like I condone red light running..I don't.

However everyone should make it their business to know the law and stick to it. (and stand up for yourself)In MOSTcases the law makers wrote it the way it is for a reason.

I hate red light runners......in a previous job I gave an Auckland bus driver a ticket for doing it. He had a bus load of passengers at the time...actually ended up forbiding him to drive for 4 hours because he was clearly too angry to safely continue. One of his lines was " I always run red lights so I can keep on time"

[Patrick]

(c) is the driver of a taxi plying for hire; or
(d) is a person who—
(i) and (ii) for that purpose is required to alight from and reenter
the vehicle at frequent intervals, so long as
the vehicle is travelling at a speed not exceeding
50 km per hour; or


Did someone beat me to it? Can't be arsed reading it all...


Yep my thoughts too. That why I potted the cop on the bike who ran the red light on Moorhouse house Ave. when they were doing the bike trials here in Christchurch awhile back. Filled out all the forms with the appropiate dates time location etc. Never head anymore about it.


Skyryder

Was probably on his way to catch a crim. Exempt.

[Irontusk]

Was probably on his way to catch a crim. Exempt.

Then he should've had his lights and sirens going.

[Griffin]

And I'll write the same ticket every time I see that offence, as people who crash red lights hit people sometimes.

Rastuscat :Police: good on you for the job you do. We hear time and time again about cops being revenue collectors etc etc while the plain majority of us wouldnt step in and do what you do for quids. I can bet that almost (not 100%) but almost, every ticket you write is argued by the "innocent & expert" driver you have inconvenienced.

KB is a great place for venting and most of us on here are supportive of good cops doing a good job. Thanks for doing what you do :2thumbsup

[James Deuce]

Matched very closely by a lot of motorcyclists over inflated opinion of their riding ability.

No, exceeded by most motorcyclists.

[nico]

hi all since there seems to be some cops watching this thread i might get a sencable answer
here the deal run a red light ticked agrered. no problems there
speed up during a amber light yes same as above
i got ticketed the other night ploding home after work 1230am green light changed about 1m form fron of ute (note first time ive driven this beast in over 3 months ironary??) so since i feel im past my piont of no return i make a judgment call and countnie through *note no other trafic /a silver comodore about 5m behind me i get through the light and walah the comodore just hapens to be mr plod. turned out he was a real plod:Police: alright gave me a speal about how i ran a red light and what did i have to say for my self note he is already righting ticket at this stage i replyed it changed from green to amber light right in front and did not have time to stop safley.
his reply i was able to stop here's your ticket, :spanking::spanking:

now im wondering do i bother wrighting in explaning my case or next time the situation arises put all ancours on and cause a accdent to stop for a amber.
not looking for stupid/negative remarks here
this is a bit of venting am not pised at all cops just this tosa
to all the good cops who are out there cary on the good work

[MSTRS]

... i replyed it changed from green to amber light right in front and did not have time to stop safley.
his reply i was able to stop here's your ticket....

Of course he was able. The front of his vehicle must have been some 10m behind the front of yours. Write in...it's only a bit of paper, envelope and stamp. And you never know, if your case is good, you could a pass.

[Swoop]

Stupid question time...
Does anyone know what the offences are for "failure to keep left"?
$$$'s fine??
Demerits?

"Quota points for ticket issue"?:rolleyes:

[Divot]

A few years ago when working as a speed camera operator in Auckland I snaped a Taxi on Stanley Street doing 70. He came back after dropping of his fair and asked why had I taken his photo as he was a professional driver and I should be targeting people who were breaking the law (speed limit). I just said back to him that I was doing just that as I got a photo of him doing 70.

Taxi drivers are just as bad as the other professional drivers out there "Courier Drivers"

[HenryDorsetCase]

Okay, so I'm one of those that you all love to bag. Your call. But anyway, I'm a motorcycle traffic cop in Christchurch. There aren't too many of us, you may know me, whatever.

Last night at about 9.30 I was sitting on the company bike watching the Colombo St/Hereford St lights, when a Ford Falcon taxi (narrows it down to about 10,000) drove through a red light. It went red when the front wheels were 2 to 3 metres prior to the limit lines, the driver was accelerating to beat the lights. It was a cut and dried, ridgy didge red light offence.

Anyway, I followed (red and blue lights allow us to do that), having had a FULL, CLEAR UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW of the offence. Pretty clear cut. The taxi then failed to indicate turning a corner, and eventually stopped for me some distance further on.

I then got a lecture about how good a driver the driver was, how law abiding too, how I should go catch a boy racer or a gang member, how the driver hadn't had a ticket in 30 years, further details of the fabulous driving skills,more details of the advanced driving skills, etc. Oh, and it was orange.

Anyway, just the one ticket issued, the red light one.

I then got to ponder, yet again, the view that we all have our own driving ability. Today that taxi driver, who blew a red light and failed to indicate, will be telling all the clan about this nasty , revenue collecting man who wrote a BS ticket for such a law abiding, skilled driving member of the taxpaying public, one who pays my wages.

And I'll write the same ticket every time I see that offence, as people who crash red lights hit people sometimes.

Just venting.

As a taxpayer, I consider that my money well spent. Thanks

Kudos to you too, out on Saturday night with the scum sucking evil boy racer arseholes on the bike.. Me, I'd want something armoured, and with missles and a minigun. And free ammo. We have been seeing movies at the film festival lately, and unlike our usual habit, being out at night on a Friday and Saturday after ten pm. I dont like driving then. Nosiree Bob.

I digress.

[Divot]

But the feline gentleman is a BIKEY cop. No radar on the bike (well, they were experimenting a while ago, but I haven't heard of any going live with bike mounted radar. Correct me if I'm wrong).

Some bikes in Auckland have a holster for lasers on them

[Swoop]

"Courier Divers"
:scratch:
Throw a coin off of the pier and they will go after it, sort of thing?

[Max Preload]

Of course he was able. The front of his vehicle must have been some 10m behind the front of yours.

Or perhaps he was following so close that it would have endangered you to attempt to stop... :innocent:

[elpigaro]

Hey all, Im an Irish rider slowly becoming more like a Kiwi , anyway I did an analysis of accidents and driver perceprions when in college and the finding support the above post,
80% of roadusers feel thay have above average skills on the road.
A similar proportion belive that the single biggest hazard to their safety is other road users, no argument on the ticketing if I did the same Id expect to get ticketed, but I want to pose a question, As bikers how safe do you feel when approaching a set of lights on orange, do you slow and stop and encourage the person behind you to launch you through the intersection? I had this experience recently, approaching lights saw they were yellow , saw the driver behind me was reavelling fairly quickly, I braked and moved to rhs and this numpty ended up beside me ,not fun..
Elpigaro

[pritch]

this was a grizzle about people who have an inflated view of themselves, who regard everyone else as the problem.

But that's everybody. Including me :whistle:

[Horse]

7.11 Exceptions to application of requirements relating to use
of child restraints and seat belts
..
(c) is the driver of a taxi plying for hire; or
(d) is a person who—
(i) is engaged in the course of his or her employment
in the delivery or collection of mail or newspapers
or other goods, or the servicing of the
vehicle, or meter reading or other similar duties,
or spraying or other similar duties from the
vehicle; and
(ii) for that purpose is required to alight from and reenter
the vehicle at frequent intervals, so long as
the vehicle is travelling at a speed not exceeding
50 km per hour;

Que? I read that as taxi drivers . and delivery drivers ARE the only ones limited to 50kph if not wearing a belt.

clauses (i) and (ii) are both subclauses of clause (d) - the law says people who satisfy clause (c) OR clause (d) are exempt from seatbelts, and then subclauses (i) and (ii) specify exactly who qualifies for clause (d).

So Taxi drivers are not limited to 50km/h.

[nico]

Stupid question time...
Does anyone know what the offences are for "failure to keep left"?
$$$'s fine??
Demerits?

"Quota points for ticket issue"?:rolleyes:

150 seems to be the favrove number unsure of demrits looking at my ticket seems demerits are only given for speed

[scumdog]

150 seems to be the favrove number unsure of demrits looking at my ticket seems demerits are only given for speed

$150 + 20 demerits from memory.

There's shitloads of offences that incur demerits - but these are not shown on the ticket except for the ones on the speeding tickets.

[Patrick]

Then he should've had his lights and sirens going.

Silly me... of course he should. That'll scare the burglar/armed robber, whatever... off well before he arrived then...:crazy::weird:

[Patrick]

hi all since there seems to be some cops watching this thread i might get a sencable answer...


Or perhaps he was following so close that it would have endangered you to attempt to stop... :innocent:

There ya go Nico... too risky for you to stop, let alone stop so suddenly that the silver Commodore was going to run ya over too....

Not a dig, but if you do write in, use a spell checker and get someone to cast an eye over it...

[Irontusk]

Silly me... of course he should. That'll scare the burglar/armed robber, whatever... off well before he arrived then...:crazy::weird:

Well, it wasn't said where he was going, and lights don't make sound, so.. :weird: yourself.

[Katman]

No, exceeded by most motorcyclists.

And here was I trying to tone down my generalisations.

But damn it Jim, you're right.

:msn-wink:

[nico]

There ya go Nico... too risky for you to stop, let alone stop so suddenly that the silver Commodore was going to run ya over too....

Not a dig, but if you do write in, use a spell checker and get someone to cast an eye over it...

DONO AND DONE I CANT SPELL 4SHIT:scooter:

[rastuscat]

Stupid question time...
Does anyone know what the offences are for "failure to keep left"?
$$$'s fine??
Demerits?

"Quota points for ticket issue"?:rolleyes:


http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html

[Patrick]

Well, it wasn't said where he was going, and lights don't make sound, so.. :weird: yourself.

No, it wasn't said. Perhaps there was a reason? Perhaps the lights weren't working? Perhaps there was a specials on at the donut shop? Who knows?

Funny how its turning into yet another cop bashing thread after a positive start....

[rastuscat]

Yes, cop bashing starts afresh. Read my first post, I expected it to.

[scumdog]

Funny how its turning into yet another cop bashing thread after a positive start....

'Funny? funny? - it's KB, this is normal on KB!!:rolleyes:

[Swoop]

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html

Cheers.
20 "naughty points" for failure to keep left. That would make it worthwhile to target.
Might have to make an appointment with the local MP's.

[Patrick]

'Funny? funny? - it's KB, this is normal on KB!!:rolleyes:

:doh: What the hell was I thinking...:slap::slap::slap::slap:

[Patrick]

Cheers.
20 "naughty points" for failure to keep left. That would make it worthwhile to target.
Might have to make an appointment with the local MP's.

Yep.. like motor bikes passing cars you mean?:Pokey:

[Swoop]

Yep.. like motor bikes passing cars you mean?:Pokey:
No. Like car drivers who are magnetically attracted to the lane nearest the median barrier on multi-lane roads.
Do they put magnets in the medians that attract steel?:scratch:

[Patrick]

No. Like car drivers who are magnetically attracted to the lane nearest the median barrier on multi-lane roads.
Do they put magnets in the medians that attract steel?:scratch:

But that is their lane... you aren't allowed to use it!!! How dare you contemplate such a thought of using it!!:2guns:

[Swoop]

But that is their lane... you aren't allowed to use it!!! How dare you contemplate such a thought of using it!!:2guns:
Yep. I'm fu*ked.
Cagers in the right.
Trucks sitting in the middle lane.


...hoons passing everybody in the left, whilst doing the speed limit...:woohoo:

[Ixion]

Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road
35




is wrong. You may pass on a no passing line so long as you do not pass over the no passing line.

[Irontusk]

is wrong. You may pass on a no passing line so long as you do not pass over the no passing line.
[/LEFT]
[/CENTER]

It's the kind of thing you want to carry a road code around for, so you can get it out and wave it in their face, filtering too. But I've seen on here that then they usually just do you for 'careless use' (one of the least specific charges ever.. along with 'driving in a manner which may annoy people')

[howdamnhard]

Okay, so I'm one of those that you all love to bag. Your call. But anyway, I'm a motorcycle traffic cop in Christchurch. There aren't too many of us, you may know me, whatever.

Last night at about 9.30 I was sitting on the company bike watching the Colombo St/Hereford St lights, when a Ford Falcon taxi (narrows it down to about 10,000) drove through a red light. It went red when the front wheels were 2 to 3 metres prior to the limit lines, the driver was accelerating to beat the lights. It was a cut and dried, ridgy didge red light offence.

Anyway, I followed (red and blue lights allow us to do that), having had a FULL, CLEAR UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW of the offence. Pretty clear cut. The taxi then failed to indicate turning a corner, and eventually stopped for me some distance further on.

I then got a lecture about how good a driver the driver was, how law abiding too, how I should go catch a boy racer or a gang member, how the driver hadn't had a ticket in 30 years, further details of the fabulous driving skills,more details of the advanced driving skills, etc. Oh, and it was orange.

Anyway, just the one ticket issued, the red light one.

I then got to ponder, yet again, the view that we all have our own driving ability. Today that taxi driver, who blew a red light and failed to indicate, will be telling all the clan about this nasty , revenue collecting man who wrote a BS ticket for such a law abiding, skilled driving member of the taxpaying public, one who pays my wages.

And I'll write the same ticket every time I see that offence, as people who crash red lights hit people sometimes.

Just venting.

Taxi drivers are the worst for not indicating.Keep up the good work.:laugh:

[swbarnett]

or next time the situation arises put all ancours on and cause a accdent to stop for a amber.
Would've served him right if you had. He would've been guilty of following too closely if he'd hit you. (I wouldn't advise this on a bike though)

[Divot]

Trucks should be baned from using the right hand land where there are more than two lanes. I have work on the motorway in auckland and the number of trucks that sit in the right hand lane at 80k is quite high.

Worst is when you are red lighting to a job and there are three trucks side by side taking up all three lanes and not one hearing the sierns or seeing the red and blues flashing.

Thrucks should be required to stay ing the left most lane except when passing.

The other thing is when riding your bike in rush hour, notice how many cages sit on the right hand line of their lane, forcing you to pass on the left, ops, you get pinged for passing in the left, or when you weave across the lanes marker to avoid cages you then get pinged for not indicating lane change.

[ManDownUnder]

And I'll write the same ticket every time I see that offence, as people who crash red lights hit people sometimes.

Just venting.

Mate - you do your job to the best of your ability and you can sleep easy at night. Or to quote the wise words of a wise woman I know... "What other people think of you is none of your business"

If it takes 10 tickets to get the message through the thick head of a red light runner/boy racer or someone riding on the ATNR then 10 tickets it is. If you're doing nothing wrong in the execution of your duties then the only problem is in THEIR head.

:niceone:

[swbarnett]

Thrucks should be required to stay ing the left most lane except when passing.
Not just trucks but this should be a requirement for ALL vehicles.

In Switzerland (and other parts of Europe) they have this requirement and it really makes a difference. On the German Autobahn the right lane (left to us) is for anyone that just wants to cruise (at 120k or so) and left lane really is the fast lane.

[Ixion]

Worst is when you are red lighting to a job and there are three trucks side by side taking up all three lanes and not one hearing the sierns or seeing the red and blues flashing.

.

This is a ruddy pain. It is because truck A has a governor set to 91kph, and is determined he can prove that he can pass truck B whose governor is set at 90kph. Who in turn is absolutely not going to follow truck C who, unhappy chap, has a governor that won't let him exceed 89kph (probably because his tyres have worn a bit)

[FJRider]

Not just trucks but this should be a requirement for ALL vehicles.


It already is... as is most other laws that some find "inconvenient", they are often ignored...
Failing to keep left is "ticketable"

[raftn]

Good post Rastus, take a bow.

I am with you on that! I have been pulled over a couple of times, and always been treated fairly, , carn't ask for much more than that.

[Patrick]

Mate - you do your job to the best of your ability and you can sleep easy at night. Or to quote the wise words of a wise woman I know... "What other people think of you is none of your business"

If it takes 10 tickets to get the message through the thick head of a red light runner/boy racer or someone riding on the ATNR then 10 tickets it is. If you're doing nothing wrong in the execution of your duties then the only problem is in THEIR head.

:niceone:

So where do speeding tickets for those regular collectors on KB come into it????

[ManDownUnder]

So where do speeding tickets for those regular collectors on KB come into it????

Simple - it comes down to accountability.

If they're playing by the rules then that's all fine with me. I've heard they use some dangerous tactics - but I stress that's only heresay. If they do some of the dumb shit claimed then hold them accountable.

If I speed and am held accountable... how can I complain?

If anyone (including the cops) do anythig illegal and are held accountable... same thing. I have NOOOOOOO problems with that at all. If it hurts my back pocket then maybe I should be obeying the law.

No?

[Kickaha]

It already is... as is most other laws that some find "inconvenient", they are often ignored...
Failing to keep left is "ticketable"

I don't think that is correct, at least not when there are two lanes in the same direction

[Patrick]

If anyone (including the cops) do anythig illegal and are held accountable... same thing. I have NOOOOOOO problems with that at all. If it hurts my back pocket then maybe I should be obeying the law.

No?

Having seen complaints against cops come through the station and the way they are handled, they are most definitely held accountable.... Times have changed.... some time ago....

[newby]

It already is... as is most other laws that some find "inconvenient", they are often ignored...
Failing to keep left is "ticketable"

Not on a motorway it isnt, although you probably dont have a motorway down there....

And as long as you are within a lane, it isnt, no matter where you are. "failing to keep left" is only of there are no lines, or you cross the centre line which creates danger.

[Ixion]

Not on a motorway it isnt, although you probably dont have a motorway down there....

And as long as you are within a lane, it isnt, no matter where you are. "failing to keep left" is only of there are no lines, or you cross the centre line which creates danger.

Sigh. Sorry, wrong. I've lost count of how often I've posted this




Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 (SR 2004/427) (as at 01 August 2008)


S2.1 Keeping left

(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.

(2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.

(3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if—
(a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver's intention to turn right; or
(b) the driver is passing; or
(c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or
(d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or
(e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or
(f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or
(g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or
(h) the traffic in every lane is congested.



What this says, is you must keep to the left most lane unless

you are turning right
or you are overtaking
or there is no room in the left lane

(and some other oddball cases)

Yes I know it is universally ignored by everybody, including the cops. But it is still the law

[FJRider]

If lanes are marked, and a vehicle is in the right lane. If you wish to pass, you may pass it in the left lane. If another vehicle is there also, both travelling at less than posted speed limit, they are impeding traffic flow. That is a traffic offence. If they are travelling AT the speed limit, and YOU wish to pass...You expect the ticket...

[swbarnett]

If it hurts my back pocket then maybe I should be obeying the law.

No?
This assumes that the law is fair and reasonable.

Whether it is or not is a personal judgement. If enough people object to a law and practice civil disobedience then there just might be a chance of the law being changed to something that is more reasonable. Unfortunately this seldom works when those directly affected by an unreasonable law are in a decided minority.

[Sanx]

So where do speeding tickets for those regular collectors on KB come into it????

Speeding isn't generally dangerous. Running red lights nearly always is.

But the posts about keeping (or failing to keep) left do illustrate something; that traffic cops only apply the laws that a) they find easy and b) the ones that suit the wills of their political masters.

As demonstrated by the reversal of the year on year fall in the road toll that neatly co-incided with the government's rapid focus on speeding to the near exclusion of everything else, current policing policy does not make the roads more safe. The figures actually suggest that current policing policy is a factor in making them worse. The Police's role is to ensure the roads are safe for all to use. ("Safer communities for all", I think is the motto.) They're demonstrably failing.

But the Policy's bloody good for the consolidated fund.

[FJRider]

Speeding isn't generally dangerous. Running red lights nearly always is.

But the posts about keeping (or failing to keep) left do illustrate something; that traffic cops only apply the laws that a) they find easy and b) the ones that suit the wills of their political masters.

As demonstrated by the reversal of the year on year fall in the road toll that neatly co-incided with the government's rapid focus on speeding to the near exclusion of everything else, current policing policy does not make the roads more safe. The figures actually suggest that current policing policy is a factor in making them worse. The Police's role is to ensure the roads are safe for all to use. ("Safer communities for all", I think is the motto.) They're demonstrably failing.

But the Policy's bloody good for the consolidated fund.


The safety of speed depends on many factors, vehicle suitability... location suitability...skill level of driver/rider...number of idiots already on the road...and weather. PLUS probably a few I haven't thought of/mentioned.
When ALL factors can be met... ALL the time, speed limits may be increased. But as long as there are those that don't, won't, can't, speed...it WONT.

The cops will most likely "apply" the enforcement to what they believe to be the more dangerous law breaking that they see. If cops believe that you are a "danger" to other road users...expect a chat. DON'T get abusive...they do have discretionary powers, and do use them. THIS depends on how big a danger/mouth you were.

Statistics prove what the statistician wants to "prove". Believe what you choose, but don't spout them as fact.

The Consolidated Fund thanks you for your kind donation...Please feel free to donate AGAIN.

[swbarnett]

When ALL factors can be met... ALL the time, speed limits may be increased.
Are you suggesting that "ALL factors can be met... ALL the time" when travelling at the speed limit?


But as long as there are those that don't, won't, can't, speed...it WONT.
There are those that are unsafe at any speed. Should we all have our right to drive removed completely?

[FJRider]

Are you suggesting that "ALL factors can be met... ALL the time" when travelling at the speed limit?


There are those that are unsafe at any speed. Should we all have our right to drive removed completely?

Roads such as MOTORWAYS could (theoretically) be suitable for increase in speed limits. As long as alternitive roads are available for those that can't,won't. or don't travel at posted speed limits. But I would expect even bigger fines for breaking those new limits. And tougher rules on who can use these higher limit areas.

RIGHT TO DRIVE ??????? :beer: Driving is a privilege we must earn, by proving we are capable on driving on the road safely. Those that PROVE, or have been proven (in court) they are incapable of doing this safely, this privilege is removed. THAT IS LAW NOW !!!

[Patrick]

This assumes that the law is fair and reasonable.

Whether it is or not is a personal judgement. If enough people object to a law and practice civil disobedience then there just might be a chance of the law being changed to something that is more reasonable. Unfortunately this seldom works when those directly affected by an unreasonable law are in a decided minority.

People know the rules...

Every day there is civil disobedience and objections.... you should see the tickets that pass over my desk EVERY day..... some are whinging disobedient lawbreakers I tells ya....:no:

[swbarnett]

Roads such as MOTORWAYS could (theoretically) be suitable for increase in speed limits. As long as alternitive roads are available for those that can't,won't. or don't travel at posted speed limits. But I would expect even bigger fines for breaking those new limits. And tougher rules on who can use these higher limit areas.
You still haven't answered my question. You asserted that speed limits were where they are because there not all the factors required to travel faster safely were met all the time. It this not is also true at (or even under) the speed limit?


RIGHT TO DRIVE ??????? :beer: Driving is a privilege we must earn, by proving we are capable on driving on the road safely. Those that PROVE, or have been proven (in court) they are incapable of doing this safely, this privilege is removed. THAT IS LAW NOW !!!
Right or Privilege? Depends how you look at it. I've seen arguments both ways and I still can't decide which way I think it is. That aside the question still stands - do you think that nobody should be allowed to drive just because some are incapable of doing it safely? This seems to be what you are saying about driving above the posted speed limit.

[swbarnett]

People know the rules...
The law is not set in concrete. If it was we'd still be running under a feudal system (or worse). Laws change when enough people believe the current law is unjust and have the ability to change the political will.


Every day there is civil disobedience and objections.... you should see the tickets that pass over my desk EVERY day..... some are whinging disobedient lawbreakers I tells ya....:no:
"whinging disobedient lawbreakers" make for some interesting historical figures - Martin Luther King and Ghandi spring to mind. When the time is right change happens. Until then the injustice and political hypocrisy continues.

[Patrick]

The law is not set in concrete. If it was we'd still be running under a feudal system (or worse). Laws change when enough people believe the current law is unjust and have the ability to change the political will.


"whinging disobedient lawbreakers" make for some interesting historical figures - Martin Luther King and Ghandi spring to mind. When the time is right change happens. Until then the injustice and political hypocrisy continues.

Martin Luther KING and Ghandi didn't study the road code and sped? :Pokey:

My god... what is the world coming to... we are all doomed...

[sunhuntin]

I dont trust taxi-drivers at ALL on the road. Unexpected behaviour is the norm and anything that'll cut two seconds off the journey is to be expected!

Bike cops on the other hand... well. Never had a run in with one of those before, and considering i've passed a few while lanesplitting carefully I guess I should only hold a good opinion of them!

agreed. only taxi drivers i trust are either in front of me or parked and not likely to move, and even them i watch like a hawk.

glad to know at least one has to give away part of his "earnings" for a change. jerk off. wish the cops up here would sit on lights. had a red holden in front of us today halfway in the left turning lane and half in the cycle lane. i could see no indicator [we were going straight through] and lo and behold, the fucker cuts us off and goes straight through.

[swbarnett]

Martin Luther KING and Ghandi didn't study the road code and sped? :Pokey:

My god... what is the world coming to... we are all doomed...
The issue may be considerably more minor but the principle is the same.

[sinfull]

People know the rules...

Every day there is civil disobedience and objections.... you should see the tickets that pass over my desk EVERY day..... some are whinging disobedient lawbreakers I tells ya....:no:

Desk ??? What the hell are you doing at a desk (unless yr processing)
You should be on a bike Patrick ???

[MarkH]

now im wondering do i bother wrighting in explaning my case or next time the situation arises put all ancours on and cause a accdent to stop for a amber.
not looking for stupid/negative remarks here
this is a bit of venting am not pised at all cops just this tosa
to all the good cops who are out there cary on the good work

A few years back I got pulled over for running an orange light. The light had not changed to red by the time I exited the intersection. I was ticketed for "failing to comply with a traffic signal", but the notice that came in the mail said I "failed to stop for a red light" - WTF? So I wrote in and explained about the difference between the ticket issued and the infringement notice sent out, added that I didn't stop because I didn't think I could do so safely and that the light never changed to red before I was through the intersection. They wrote back to tell me to forget about it, the matter was dropped.

I can't see how it would hurt to write in to explain that in your assessment at the time you didn't believe you could stop safely due to being to close to the intersection when the light changed. They will either let you off or reply saying "sorry, but you have to pay up". It's gotta be worth the trouble to send a letter in.

[Clifford]

Great sport....a taxi driver, a Ford AND a red light runner all at the same time. Pity they took away hanging.

[FJRider]

not all the factors required to travel faster safely were met all the time. It this not is also true at (or even under) the speed limit?

Right or Privilege? Depends how you look at it. I've seen arguments both ways and I still can't decide which way I think it is. That aside the question still stands - do you think that nobody should be allowed to drive just because some are incapable of doing it safely? This seems to be what you are saying about driving above the posted speed limit.

Correct that conditions to ACHIEVE the speed limit can NOT always be met safely. To exceed the speed limit in those circumstances is dangerous driving. Meaning heavier penaltys than just exceeding the posted speed limit. I have known friends on bikes getting charged for dangerous driving on a very winding road (on a bike) by an over zealous "enforcer". It went to court... Judge dissmissed the charge as the cop ADMITTED the bike stayed on the correct side of the road, and did not exceed the posted speed limit. He also held a current racing licence which helped sway the judge.

Nobody (general public) is allowed to drive over the limit, because some are not capable of doing it SAFELY... slightly different.
Having reached the legal age to attain a driving licence, you have the right to apply to sit a licence test... Having passed ALL the legal requirements FIRST (age,eyesight,medical status,court rulings prohibiting etc). You may THEN begin to proceed through the process to gain a full licence.
Even the drivers of emergency services vehicles, are under strict guidlines to exceed the speed limit. And can (have) been held accountable... even when things DON'T / DIDN'T turn to shit.

[Patrick]

Desk ??? What the hell are you doing at a desk (unless yr processing)
You should be on a bike Patrick ???

Been desk bound at work for the last year... sounds kinky, but far from it... sadly....

Should be on a bike? Waaaaayyyy too wet down here of late. Would have been OK if my diving wet suit handn't shrunk so much... damn ...

But hey, spring is upon us... :woohoo:

[wysper]

*dons flame suit*

[nana post]
Its pretty simple really.

Re revenue collecting

If you speed - you are breaking the law - your choice

Sure, no one likes speed cameras at the end of passing lanes, at the bottom of hills etc. But cheaper than all sophisticated detection systems is just stay under the posted limit. If you still choose to speed, then just take the damn ticket if you are caught.

For other behaviour in traffic. If you are worried about it being legal or if you should do it or not. Just imagine that at least ONE of the cars you are passing, splitting or what ever is a cop. Imagine a cop is watching you and in the perfect postion to pull you over. Would you still do it?

[/nana post]

I dont always keep to the speed limit. I lane split occasionally, cut through traffic to get to the front of the queue occassionally. But if I get caught then that is my responsibility. All the choices were mine.

I dont run red - I dont want to die
I dont run stops signs - I dont want to die

Thanks to all the cops out there who are trying to do the best job they can given the orders that are handed down to them! :rockon:

[Swoop]

Great sport....a taxi driver, a Ford AND a red light runner all at the same time. Pity they took away hanging.
Nice!
You are going to fit in around here quite nicely.:done:

[sinfull]

Would have been OK if my diving wet suit handn't shrunk so much... damn ...

But hey, spring is upon us... :woohoo:
Must be something up with the materials they're using now Patrick, mine shrunk over the last yr or so too ! Might have to invest in a new one this summer (or a gym sub.)
Blaardy boat would be nice too lol not much Paua left on the coast down here no more !

[swbarnett]

Re revenue collecting

If you speed - you are breaking the law - your choice

This is extremely simplistic. Would you say Nelson Mandala deserved 27 years in prison? He new the laws against apartheid and broke them anyway - his choice.

Just because it's law does not make it right.

I reserve the right to conduct my life in a manner that causes no harm to anyone.

And this is all I ask from anyone in return (the law included).

[wysper]

This is extremely simplistic. Would you say Nelson Mandala deserved 27 years in prison? He new the laws against apartheid and broke them anyway - his choice.

Just because it's law does not make it right.

I reserve the right to conduct my life in a manner that causes no harm to anyone.

And this is all I ask from anyone in return (the law included).

I was not commenting on the law itself, I was commenting on the choice to break it. If you want to change the law. Campaign to have it changed. If you choose to break it then deal with the consequences for doing so.
I am not commenting on laws or situations that to our eyes are unjust or wrong.
We can all bring up a situation where it does not fit the 'rules' or makes them look wrong. But part of living in a society is living by the rules of that society.

While having the right to conduct your life in a way that harms none would be nice, it does not seem to be the way the world works.

[Patrick]

Must be something up with the materials they're using now Patrick, mine shrunk over the last yr or so too ! Might have to invest in a new one this summer (or a gym sub.)
Blaardy boat would be nice too lol not much Paua left on the coast down here no more !

Yep. Its gotta be the materials...!!!

Does this gym sub take you up to the cray holes? Has it got a scolly dredge? How many people can it take on board at a time???

Paua around these parts are small... Simply too many taking too many. They don't get the chance to grow and breed... But some in these parts try and tell ya they just don't grow big enough down here. Yeah right.....

[sinfull]

Does this gym sub take you up to the cray holes? Has it got a scolly dredge? How many people can it take on board at a time???
Paua around these parts are small... Simply too many taking too many. They don't get the chance to grow and breed... But some in these parts try and tell ya they just don't grow big enough down here. Yeah right.....
Lol Wide open to that one ! Funny thing is 2 hours after i made the last post a mate arrived and offered me half share in a boat he's looking at ! Just a 14' glass plylite i think, with a 15 horse on the back but how could i refuse lol

Same problem down here mate, the two spots i shore dive at are wellington sth coast( nothing wrong with moa point paua it ya dont eat the hua i recon lol) and titahi bays ! Last time i was out titahi bay was damb frustrating, there i was floundering around, swimming for miles for a good 90 minutes to find my quota of just on the limit, while a family had a fire on shore and up to their knees raping the undersize shellfish and eating them on the spot !
No way they'd get busted in that setup, you could see rangers comming for miles and SFA lil old me could do against 3 or 4 blokes twice my size apart from give em the fuck you glare !

[Patrick]

Lol Wide open to that one ! Funny thing is 2 hours after i made the last post a mate arrived and offered me half share in a boat he's looking at ! Just a 14' glass plylite i think, with a 15 horse on the back but how could i refuse lol

Same problem down here mate, the two spots i shore dive at are wellington sth coast( nothing wrong with moa point paua it ya dont eat the hua i recon lol) and titahi bays ! Last time i was out titahi bay was damb frustrating, there i was floundering around, swimming for miles for a good 90 minutes to find my quota of just on the limit, while a family had a fire on shore and up to their knees raping the undersize shellfish and eating them on the spot !
No way they'd get busted in that setup, you could see rangers comming for miles and SFA lil old me could do against 3 or 4 blokes twice my size apart from give em the fuck you glare !

Not unlike around these parts... Have assisted fisheries on a few occasions and man................ The racist crap spouted by those who consider themselves guardians of the sea.....

Enjoy the boat!!! Lucky bugger!!! But we digress....

[rastuscat]

I started this thread with a rant about people not taking personal responsibility for their driving errors.

Odd, nothing has changed............

[thehollowmen]

I have my license in my hand before the boys in blue reach me, I ask for my ticket, no fuss, no bother. After all, with my riding it is about time I got another one.

I wait for him to go back to his car to write the ticket, put down my visor and swear and scream at myself, and then when he comes back with the ticket I open it up and say thank you with a smile.

You police have one of the hardest jobs in the world. You guys deserve a lot better than you get. You get all the bad stick, and too often you aren't thanked for the good jobs you do. Keep giving the tickets out to those that deserve them, and those of us who think we don't. And thank you for all the things we haven't seen you do, taking our drunk teenage daughters home, taking the keys off our drunk family, running off the vandals from our workplaces at night, checking for what we heard go bump in the garden at 3am, and everything else you do in the name of your job. Keep up the good work.

And, if you've got a buddy in New Plymouth, can you give me a message? I'm worried my new bike exhaust might be a little too obnoxious (as opposed to too loud) and I'd like an unbiased answer.

[Irontusk]

and too often you aren't thanked for the good jobs you do.

Unfortunately the law often stops them from doing the good jobs right. Too many people get away with what they do, even when they've been caught.

[Patrick]

I started this thread with a rant about people not taking personal responsibility for their driving errors.

Odd, nothing has changed............

That was soooooooooo 190 odd posts ago!!!!

Get with the programme newbie!!!! This is exactly what happens on KB!!!!

YOU are NOW :Offtopic:

[Pussy]

That was soooooooooo 190 odd posts ago!!!!

Get with the programme newbie!!!! This is exactly what happens on KB!!!!

YOU are NOW :Offtopic:

Stop typing shit on the puter, Patrick, and go ping some of the numerous red light runners that NP has... :bleh:

[Patrick]

Stop typing shit on the puter, Patrick, and go ping some of the numerous red light runners that NP has... :bleh:

Spoilsport.... You are off topic too....

Went for a bike ride instead - much more important.:bleh:

Bikers everywhere!!! Got to have a blat on a Daytona 675... absolutely beautiful bike!!!!

[nico]

an update to any one who cares after writing in for my bull shit ticket i receved a reply 2day of what i swear must be a cut n pase letter bla bla bla our offcer says thing difrent bla bla bla f&^kn wanker like the dick head reading th eleter was ever gna listen to my side any way pig fuckers my vote for the fuzzz just went 100 points dam revenue colleters the pig's must have a dam good xmas fund after the amount of bull shit wank tickets they like to give out


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[MarkH]

an update to any one who cares after writing in for my bull shit ticket i receved a reply 2day of what i swear must be a cut n pase letter bla bla bla our offcer says thing difrent bla bla bla f&^kn wanker like the dick head reading th eleter was ever gna listen to my side any way pig fuckers my vote for the fuzzz just went 100 points dam revenue colleters the pig's must have a dam good xmas fund after the amount of bull shit wank tickets they like to give out


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My feeling is that you should inform them that you would like to dispute this one in court. Gotta feel that they would rather drop the matter rather than front up in court to prosecute an amber light runner. When it changes to amber you are supposed to stop unless you can't safely do so - this makes it a bit of a judgement call. I can't help but think a judgement call decision was for you to make not the cop - as long as it really was as you told us and the lights had only just gone amber and you got through before they went red.

But if you can't be bothered fighting it in court (or at least telling them you are willing to fight it in court) then just pay the fine and accept it.

[scumdog]

an update to any one who cares after writing in for my bull shit ticket i receved a reply 2day of what i swear must be a cut n pase letter bla bla bla our offcer says thing difrent bla bla bla f&^kn wanker like the dick head reading th eleter was ever gna listen to my side any way pig fuckers my vote for the fuzzz just went 100 points dam revenue colleters the pig's must have a dam good xmas fund after the amount of bull shit wank tickets they like to give out


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Phew...Glad SOMEBODY could make your day:rolleyes:

[jrandom]

an update to any one who cares after writing in for my bull shit ticket i receved a reply 2day of what i swear must be a cut n pase letter bla bla bla our offcer says thing difrent bla bla bla f&^kn wanker like the dick head reading th eleter was ever gna listen to my side any way pig fuckers my vote for the fuzzz just went 100 points dam revenue colleters the pig's must have a dam good xmas fund after the amount of bull shit wank tickets they like to give out

Jesus H. Christ, that's almost poetry.

Anyhow, I concur regarding cut n pase bla bla f&^kn wanker dick head th eleter pig fuckers my vote for the fuzzz went 100 points bull shit wank.

Concise and to-the-point.

scumdog, do your 'customers' talk like this in Real Life (tm)?

[scumdog]

Jesus H. Christ, that's almost poetry.

Anyhow, I concur regarding cut n pase bla bla f&^kn wanker dick head th eleter pig fuckers my vote for the fuzzz went 100 points bull shit wank.

Concise and to-the-point.

scumdog, do your 'customers' talk like this in Real Life (tm)?

No, the comments are not normally so elequant - the grammar not so crisp and often the utterer of said comment lacks a certain....hmmm..shall we say, astuteness.

[Skyryder]

No, the comments are not normally so elequant - the grammar not so crisp and often the utterer of said comment lacks a certain....hmmm..shall we say, astuteness.

And not a punctuation mark in the entire sentance. Wish they had this text talk in my day of schooling . My spelling might have been better.:beer:

Skyryder