New Cheesecutter for Upper Hutt!

[<Rhino>]

The road 'improvements' around the Moonshine Road, Whakatiki st, Riverstone area are not new but..........the holes in the ground and the tell tale metal end plates ARE!!!!!

They wern't there yesterday but when I drove to Lower Hutt this morning there they were, on the bend just north of the Moonshine bridge where the old River Road - Monnshine Road junction was. I would say its going to be about 100m long around a sharp 90 degree bend when heading north you will faced head on with it. :argh:

I don't think there's any good reason to have it, they have shut off that intersection to most turning traffic so you can't cross lanes etc. You can now enter and leave moonshine road following the same direction of travel. This cheescutter would only stop people from failing to take the bend which could happen on any bend. You don't see these on every bend FFS why here?? :mad:

[hayd3n]

ffs wtf why????

[Drum]

My guess is because this bend has a particularly bad head-on crash record.

[<Rhino>]

In my experience most of the crashes happen either on the bridge or people failing to take this bend heading south and run off the road that way. There was one fatal there where a car pulled out from Moonshine road into the path of a truck which was part of the reason why they have altered that intersection. But the cheescutter, I dunno man, I don't think they need it, you can't have one on every bend! I can see some badness coming from this.

[Drum]

5:00AM Tuesday September 11, 2007

Wellington coroner Garry Evans. Photo / Herald on Sunday

A Wellington coroner is calling for Transit to fast-track safety improvements on a section of State Highway 2 due to the severity of crashes occurring there.

Coroner Garry Evans cited two recent fatal crashes on River Rd (SH2), used by commuters travelling between the Hutt Valley and Wellington, and recommended upgrades to reduce the chance of them recurring.

Krystal Bennett, 18, and Khan Edwards, 12, were killed in September 2005 when a car driven by Leah Peneha, in which Khan was a passenger, crossed the centre line and collided with Ms Bennett's vehicle.

Peneha, who was high on meth-amphetamine, was jailed for six years and six months on two charges of manslaughter and two charges of dangerous driving causing death.

Mr Evans' inquest report, released today, called for investigation into extending the median barrier further north along the highway to catch cars before they could cross into the path of oncoming traffic.

[<Rhino>]

Krystals crash happened on the straight away between the two passing lanes between River stone and Silverstream. Straight bit of road, three lanes wide. No where near this corner, it had nothing to do with it.

The other fatal that may be refering to was a motorcyclist V car. Car pushed into south bound lane by another car NOT biker fault just north of Silverstream beyond the merge heading North, again straight bit of road!

Protecting this one corner will do F all but cause more carnage, I bet my bottom dollar.

[MSTRS]

Fucking wonderful. Our very own Stonechucker would have lost more than the the use of his arm....

[<Rhino>]

Fucking wonderful. Our very own Stonechucker would have lost more than the the use of his arm....

What does that mean?

[yungatart]

SC is a Stokes Valley member who lost the use of his arm after an off on that same corner.

[<Rhino>]

Oh right. Hope he's ok.

Not a good corner! :oi-grr:

[MD]

It looks like they are going to do away with cars turning right (Northward) onto SH2 at the bridge - that's what happened to Stonechucker. A van pulled out turning right into his path. Ever since I take extra care heading south to make sure any Sods waiting at the give way have seen me.

I'm one of those weird people not opposed to wire rope barriers. But I am getting concerned at the pattern of raising the metal armcos horizontal beams higher off the ground and replacing the wooden uprights with sharp metal poles? Around Whitby-Pauatahanui inlet is a classic case. Now they have left enough room for a sliding rider to go under the armco whereas before they would have glanced off!

[MSTRS]

It looks like they are going to do away with cars turning right (Northward) onto SH2 at the bridge - that's what happened to Stonechucker. A van pulled out turning right into his path.
Exactly. And a fence is reqd to stop this, why? The installation of low curbs channelling the direction of possible travel, as in any islanded intersection is all that's reqd.



I'm one of those weird people not opposed to wire rope barriers. But I am getting concerned at the pattern of raising the metal armcos horizontal beams higher off the ground and replacing the wooden uprights with sharp metal poles? Around Whitby-Pauatahanui inlet is a classic case. Now they have left enough room for a sliding rider to go under the armco whereas before they would have glanced off!
I don't understand why you are ok with CC but not armco. Armco posts (metal or wood) or CC posts...what's the difference? Hit one or other, and you are dogtucker.

[<Rhino>]

Exactly. And a fence is reqd to stop this, why? The installation of low curbs channelling the direction of possible travel, as in any islanded intersection is all that's reqd.

And thats exactly what they have done, so I can't see why they need a cheesecutter :scratch:

[Drum]

And thats exactly what they have done, so I can't see why they need a cheesecutter :scratch:

To stop the dickheads in SUV's that don't care about kerbs?

[riffer]

Hi guys.

I just got back from a funeral in Hamilton an hour or so ago and TBH didn't notice this.

I'll have another look in the morning, but it was my understanding that the wire rope was only going to close off the egress from Moonshine Rd.

Interesting if they've done that though. About nine months ago I had an explosive blowout on Moonshine Bridge that sent me across the path of the traffic on the wrong side of the road. I wonder what would have happened if the WRB had been there?

[Drum]

My bet is that this will be a barrier that gets hit frequently (by cages) due to its location on that corner, and the narrow/ non-existent shoulder between the live lane and the barrier.

Rather than this being reported as an inappropriate installation which fails to meet Transit's own design standards, it will be reported as evidence of the dire need for a barrier in that location.

[riffer]

Another issue with this corner I discovered tonight.

If you're going North through the bridge at 85km/hr+ (yeah I know it has an advisory of 80km/hr) you apex the corner at just the right point to get the left hand edge of the tyre going right over the seal overlap place where they've merged the new side of the road.

This sends you to the right hand side of your lane towards (you guessed it) the place where the cheesecutters will be.

Fuckit. I'm turning off at Silverstream and going the back way up Alexander Rd from now on.

Cunts. :no:

[Drum]

.... (yeah I know it has an advisory of 80km/hr) .....

And a temporary speed limit of 50 :nono:

That seal join is another example of Transit not meeting their own standards, which clearly state no seal joins after the curve transition point.

I also noted that the shear bases of the frangible light poles are mounted far too high, so that rather than shearing off when hit by a car, as designed, rather they are more likely to rip the bottom off the car. I have attended a crash where a driver was killed this way.

Overall, a pretty bloody average design/ build job really.

[riffer]

Huh. What do you expect?

It's been a killer road since they first built it.

Why should we expect any difference in the modifications?

[<Rhino>]

My bet is that this will be a barrier that gets hit frequently (by cages) due to its location on that corner, and the narrow/ non-existent shoulder between the live lane and the barrier.

Rather than this being reported as an inappropriate installation which fails to meet Transit's own design standards, it will be reported as evidence of the dire need for a barrier in that location.

Very true on both points, I agree fully!


Another issue with this corner I discovered tonight.

If you're going North through the bridge at 85km/hr+ (yeah I know it has an advisory of 80km/hr) you apex the corner at just the right point to get the left hand edge of the tyre going right over the seal overlap place where they've merged the new side of the road.

This sends you to the right hand side of your lane towards (you guessed it) the place where the cheesecutters will be.

Fuckit. I'm turning off at Silverstream and going the back way up Alexander Rd from now on.

C**ts. :no:

One can only hope that its temporary and they will resurface before they finish - Tui!


Huh. What do you expect?

It's been a killer road since they first built it.

Why should we expect any difference in the modifications?

Cheap arse bastards from the begining. I was told that when they decided to build river road and bypass Upper Hutt they did it narrow and cheap coz they didn't think it would have a high volume of vehicles using it.......somone thought wrong :argh:

[nico]

hey fellow comuters on this shitty corner i have been noticing last few nights there seems to be more and more crap being left on this piticular corner form all the drilling and cuting they are doing for the wire of death has been very slipery on the rockn n shit not including the cone layout is difrent every time i go through
take care yall:niceone:

[<Rhino>]

And now this Fuk'n cheescutter stands there completed in all its fuk'n glory. I have to ride past it in both directions every day :angry2:. Its the North lane that gives me the shits.... bin there, slide straight through....:bye:

[Fatjim]

I don't know why anybody would want to live north of silverstream anyway.

[carver]

great!

it looks like they have put it there for a good reason, like speed limits, to keep you all safe!

pay your taxes, see your money spent!

[Number One]

great!

it looks like they have put it there for a good reason, like speed limits, to keep you all safe!

pay your taxes, see your money spent!
When you actually have a clue about the section of road mentioned in this thread THEN I might have taken your silly arsed comment even remotely serious...actually no I change my mind...it's you so no one (including me) will take you seriously anyway :rolleyes: :lol:

IMO this is a stupid AND dangerous place to put a cheese cutter and it will likely only be a matter of time before they prove how pointless and dangerous the selection of this barrier for that bit of road is.

Many of the ugly accidents I know about there were down to people choosing to pull onto the motorway without a safe amount of gap available to merge into AND also people crossing the centre line (for whatever reason) NOW there will be a cheesecutter making the view/gaps harder to judge and as they don't stop traffic from crossing the centre line apparently...ummm...what's the point in it? :confused:

[MSTRS]

For this particular WRB, it might be a really good thing to lobby the fuck out of your local MP, get on talkback radio about this particular section, call for a public meeting with your MP and demand Transit's local road safety manager be there...you get the idea.
Much as I hate this shit, there are some places where we stand no chance of having it removed or retro-fitted etc...but places like this (and the stretch coming down Haywards) where it is a no-brainer. Make a LOT of noise.
...or find yourself some truckie sympathisers who are willing to bullbar the crap into submission. Every time it's renewed, do it again.

[carver]

god the demo-socialist system sucks

[<Rhino>]

I don't know why anybody would want to live north of silverstream anyway.

So we can look down the Valley at all you toffs in Silverstream....:moon:

:laugh:......


:wait:

[Griffin]

I don't know why anybody would want to live north of silverstream anyway.

We have to keep our working class somewhere FJ... :laugh:

[Drum]

Silverstream? Bloody Northerners!

[Insanity_rules]

And now this Fuk'n cheescutter stands there completed in all its fuk'n glory. I have to ride past it in both directions every day :angry2:. Its the North lane that gives me the shits.... bin there, slide straight through....:bye:

That freaken south lane gives me the screaming shits. That bridge and its barrier are an abomination, whoever designed that barrier placement should be strung up with barrier cable.

Lurve the wonderful surface on the new road too.

Have to commute through that shit! F@rkin council needs a rocket.

[Drum]

.... F@rkin council needs a rocket....

State Highway. Not the council's fault.

[Insanity_rules]

State Highway. Not the council's fault.

I stand corrected. Who do we string up?

[Drum]

That would be our beloved bureaucrats formerly known as Transit - now the NZ Transport Agency as of 1 August.

[MSTRS]

Moaning on here won't get it sorted. And the longer you guys in the area leave it, the less likely you will have any effect. Familiarity, and all that. Remember, you want all road users on your side, and this particular WRB is still new and possibly scary to cagers.
and for those that don't know the location, go here http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGFB_enNZ217NZ218&hl=en&tab=wl then enter Moonshine Rd, Trentham, 5018, New Zealand it is here, between the HW2 shields.

[gw555]

just wondered if anybody knows the reasoning behind the new barrier being erected on the River Road in Upper Hutt?

It seems to be going to run from the end of the already constructed Moonshine Bridge one through to Whakatiki Street intersection.

[Str8 Jacket]

They wanted to see how long it would take for someone to post a thread on KB about it?

[Trudes]

I guess people were still doing U-turns there so decided to extend it down to the other intersection. I'm sure it's nothing too sinister.

[Str8 Jacket]

Makes me want to go have a looksee this arvo though....

[James Deuce]

I guess people were still doing U-turns there so decided to extend it down to the other intersection. I'm sure it's nothing too sinister.

I miss Stonechucker.

[Trudes]

I miss Snifters.

[riffer]

Trudes is right. Too many people have been making U-turns just past the cheesecutters so they can save 100 metres and get to Moonshine Road. There's been a couple of accidents.

Much as I hate the cheesecutters, I've learned to avoid them.

Can't say the same about SUVs on the wrong side of the road too.

I miss Dave too. I wonder if he's still working at Wakefield Hospital in Newtown?

[MSTRS]

Fuck the U-turns...cops do them, no problem. Right?
How many head-ons, or other crashes, have there been along there?

[James Deuce]

Fuck the U-turns...cops do them, no problem. Right?
How many head-ons, or other crashes, have there been along there?

Stonechucker almost got killed and still has no use of his right arm, plus his internal injuries mean he's still not fully back to work several years down the track.

Typical ACC bludger with limbs that don't work, detached heart and ruptured spleen, lacerated liver, severe head injuries.

Yesh, Bludger alright.

Hit by a van that turned across too soon and clipped him sending him into Armco. Armco's no problem though because it works for cars, eh?

Further south a dude on a Kawasaki VN was killed by two idiots heading north (he was heading south) enagaed in a do or die road rage battle because one of them cut the other off, so the cutee forced the cutter into oncoming traffic, hitting the VN rider hard enough to kill him instantly and fling his bike and body down the river bank.

I've been forced onto the shoulder along there by traffic pulling out from Whakataki road into oncoming traffic on the other side of the road.

[merv]

I miss Snifters.

Me too, they were my favourite movie fare.

[MSTRS]

Stonechucker almost got killed and still has no use of his right arm, plus his internal injuries mean he's still not fully back to work several years down the track.

Typical ACC bludger with limbs that don't work, detached heart and ruptured spleen, lacerated liver, severe head injuries.

Yesh, Bludger alright.

Hit by a van that turned across too soon and clipped him sending him into Armco. Armco's no problem though because it works for cars, eh?

Further south a dude on a Kawasaki VN was killed by two idiots heading north (he was heading south) enagaed in a do or die road rage battle because one of them cut the other off, so the cutee forced the cutter into oncoming traffic, hitting the VN rider hard enough to kill him instantly and fling his bike and body down the river bank.

I've been forced onto the shoulder along there by traffic pulling out from Whakataki road into oncoming traffic on the other side of the road.

Yep. I know that. And I too miss Stonechucker.
No, I meant has there been any 'accidents' north of the cheesecutter that was installed on Stoney's corner? If not, why extend it?

[James Deuce]

Yep. I know that. And I too miss Stonechucker.
No, I meant has there been any 'accidents' north of the cheesecutter that was installed on Stoney's corner? If not, why extend it?
I've had enough near misses along there to welcome it. Shame it's WRB. On another note, they're putting in single row Armco just north of the Petone flyover. That's just as bad as WRB.

[MSTRS]

Agreed. Neither are 'body-friendly'. But there's just something extra nasty about WRBs.

[Hitcher]

The Bastards(TM) are clearly planning to put cheesecutter to fill the gap between the new and old concrete median barriers at the Cornish Street end of the P2D works. Odd, considering Cornish Street is soon to be closed off at the SH2 end.

[merv]

Mention of Stonechucker takes me back to when he took that name on this ride http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=4218&highlight=stonechucker&page=2 when he was in front of UncleB, known as VTwin in those days (RIP), and the back wheel of Stoney's R1 showered Bruce's SV1000 with stones breaking the headlight guard (see the photos on that thread). Now that was over 5 years ago. We had a couple of great Welly rides that year (2004) and for some reason we don't seem to do that any more :no:.

[PuppetMaster]

Not sure what the above post is about...but anyways. I see they are now extending the WRB further north to stop people doing u-turns (I presume thats why its being extended). And they still havent fixed that overlapping bit right on the corner.

[StoneY]

Oh right. Hope he's ok.

Not a good corner! :oi-grr:

Ummmmm...he lost the use of his arm....hardley 'OK' bro, to state the sickeningly obvious

Mind you I do that too, "X is in hospital" reply" Shit is he/she ok?" and well, no theyre in fuckin hospital!

Another slicemndicem to pass on my to and from the Taka's, great stuff

[Bald Eagle]

Ummmmm...he lost the use of his arm....hardley 'OK' bro, to state the sickeningly obvious

Mind you I do that too, "X is in hospital" reply" Shit is he/she ok?" and well, no theyre in fuckin hospital!

Another slicemndicem to pass on my to and from the Taka's, great stuff

and mix in with the lovely grooved surface on the bloody bridge approach... it will be nearly as 'freindly as the my daily coast road at this rate.

[<Rhino>]

Ummmmm...he lost the use of his arm....hardley 'OK' bro, to state the sickeningly obvious

Mind you I do that too, "X is in hospital" reply" Shit is he/she ok?" and well, no theyre in fuckin hospital!

Another slicemndicem to pass on my to and from the Taka's, great stuff

:Oops:
Check the date, that post was nearly and year and a half ago when I had no clue who Stonechucker was or what had happened. Read the thread, you'll understand the context!!!

Anyway - As far as I know I have not herd of any accidents caused by U turns here but obviousely I'm not the authority on such knowledge. I have noticed that since this cutter went in it has been damged 2 or three times catching cars??