New Zealand's 'perfect bike'?

[Tank]

Question for all - Ive been searching around for information on bikes looking for the next upgrade.

One of Hitchers post got me interested in the Suzuki V-Strom 1000.

What I'm looking for is a do-everything type bike.

Good handling and reasonable power / speed so I can enjoy a bit of wrist down now and then.
Comfortable riding for long treks, possibly taking it to o'seas for real long trips
Ability to take 2 up for a long period (I'm taking my 11yo son with me camping etc)
Be able to get to most places - although I'm not taking 'really off road'
OK for commuting around town
Value for money - the purchase price is not that important - but I don't want to pay double for a BMW that's only 5% "better"


In short - I'm intending of seeing 'a lot of NZ' - what would be the best bike to do this on (and why). I'm also hoping to do a couple of 'decent' overseas rides where Id ship the bike also - although that is later down the line.

Comments / debate appreciated:

[MIXONE]

The previous model of the triumph tiger.Fits perfectly.

[Badcat]

BUELL ULYSSES
cheap to maintain (harley 2v pushrod vtwin)
great on gas (excellent EFI)
BRILLIANT 2 up (and changing all suspension settings for 2 up is a 5 minute job)
great handling
parts are cheap ( i just bought an entire new seat from AMPS $230)
and it looks badass..

test ride one (but make sure the suspension is set up for your weight) -it's all in the manual

ken

[Big Dave]

BD Strom Rating:

Good, versatile, cheap, capable. Excellent all-rounder and possibly the butt-ugliest looking motorcycle available in 2009.

[Jantar]

When the Vstoms first came out I dismissed them as an ugly bike that didn't know what it wanted to be. Then on the 2005 Southern Cross I saw just how well they performed on all surfaces, and soon decided to try one for myself. (see http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=12630 )

I have found the VStrom to be a very comfortable long distance tourer, capable of handling any roads and with adequate performance. 2 up with full luggage is no problem, and it has good handling. In fact, the handling in the twisties is better than on many sports bikes.

It is slightly on the thirsty side, and only averages 16 km/l, but that still allows an easy 320 km between fills on trips. I have had up to 18 km/l on steady sealed roads, and down to 12 km/l when slogging over back country tracks.

Overall, its the best all round bike I've ever owned. Its not perfect in any single respect, it just does everything well.

[martybabe]

BD Strom Rating:

Good, versatile, cheap, capable. Excellent all-rounder and possibly the butt-ugliest looking motorcycle available in 2009.


I'm with BD here, I don't think you could do better than the Vstrom, It ticks everyone of your boxes and you can get em with factory panniers. You could travel the world on that mate, at a bargain price.

The only, downside is, It's so functional, it kinda got missed out on the good looks category. Excellent bike though and if it gets the work your proposing, It'll be covered in shite most of the time, so who needs pretty. Oh and there might be a slight question mark on the durability of the finish but if you keep on top of it I think your quids in over a beemer.

Not knocking the wonderful GS but ya can get nearly two Vstroms for the money. :niceone:

[Reckless]

The Honda VFR might be a contender here! Damn comfy tourer, Good 2 up, good commuter and I have a mate or two that can push them quite capably through the twisties, they ain't that slow when its demanded of them!

Just a suggestion if you like that style of bike!

[Forest]

You're basically describing the BMW GS series bikes. But I guess you already know this.

If price is an issue than buy a used one.

[Tank]

The previous model of the triumph tiger.Fits perfectly.

Only thing that worries me about that (although I admit to being uneducated about this) is the price and availability of parts. Is this still the case (I dont want to end up like my work mate who had to wait 9 months for KTM parts)


BUELL ULYSSES
cheap to maintain (harley 2v pushrod vtwin)
great on gas (excellent EFI)
BRILLIANT 2 up (and changing all suspension settings for 2 up is a 5 minute job)
great handling
parts are cheap ( i just bought an entire new seat from AMPS $230)
and it looks badass..

test ride one (but make sure the suspension is set up for your weight) -it's all in the manual

ken

The Buell always worried me about reliability and was never on my list (Id hate to get stuck at Milford or someplace with a Loooong hike to the nearest Buell dealer. Ill do some reading on it and try to get a better idea - as I know 2/10ths of nothing about them. Ill head down to AMPS Saturday and have a look-see - Ill let you know what I think - looks a nice bike tho'



The Honda VFR might be a contender here! Damn comfy tourer, Good 2 up, good commuter and I have a mate or two that can push them quite capably through the twisties, they ain't that slow when its demanded of them!

Just a suggestion if you like that style of bike!

Looks nice for the road - but I intend to do a fair bit of gravel roading as well - it just doesn't look like the bike for me (thanks for the comments tho')


BD Strom Rating:

Good, versatile, cheap, capable. Excellent all-rounder and possibly the butt-ugliest looking motorcycle available in 2009.

As someone who has ridden more bikes than most - is there anything you would buy in its place if you had the same set of criteria?

[James Deuce]

BUELL ULYSSES
cheap to maintain (harley 2v pushrod vtwin)
great on gas (excellent EFI)
BRILLIANT 2 up (and changing all suspension settings for 2 up is a 5 minute job)
great handling
parts are cheap ( i just bought an entire new seat from AMPS $230)
and it looks badass..

test ride one (but make sure the suspension is set up for your weight) -it's all in the manual

ken
Or, if you are as vertically challenged as me, try the new T model. It's a Ulysses with the suspension travel of the TT (or thereabouts) and all the touring fruit of the Uly.

[Tank]

You're basically describing the BMW GS series bikes. But I guess you already know this.

If price is an issue than buy a used one.

Ive had a look-see at them - money isn't the end all and be all - but I'm more interested in getting value for money.

The big GS is iro twice the price - is it twice as good?

A secondhand one makes the value proposition better - but I always wonder what the previous owners did with them.

[Badcat]

The Buell always worried me about reliability and was never on my list (Id hate to get stuck at Milford or someplace with a Loooong hike to the nearest Buell dealer. Ill do some reading on it and try to get a better idea - as I know 2/10ths of nothing about them. Ill head down to AMPS Saturday and have a look-see - Ill let you know what I think - looks a nice bike tho'



the buell is a pretty low-tech motor - harley have been making the sportster 1200 for a while now so i don't worry about it's reliability. i suppose the EFI is new, but mine's been sweet - ask BD about his uly's reliability - his has a lot more Ks on it than mine.

k

[Kiwi Graham]

My vote would go for the GSX 1400 a good all rounder in every respect except off road!! Big , comfortable, powerful, cheap to maintain and good looking. Get in quick they stopping or have stopped making them. You can get a new one for less than $13,000. 103202

[Badcat]

Or, if you are as vertically challenged as me, try the new T model. It's a Ulysses with the suspension travel of the TT (or thereabouts) and all the touring fruit of the Uly.

good point.
i have a spare lower seat (new '07 seat) for a ULY if anyone in auckland wants to lower the position a little. i'm 6'2 and find the original high seat great - less knee cramp.

k

[Big Dave]

Bugger - I take some of that back too. They have improved the appearance.
Gave Aprilias an aesthetic rocket the other day and they have fixed all that coat-of-many-colours stuff as well.

Tank - Personal taste mate. I'd look at a Tiger and several others too.

[celticbhoy]

A mate bought a V-strom last december and the few shiny bits on it are already tarnished with the dreaded rust despite being stored in garage. His original pride and love of it has been tarnished along with it and now looking at a beemer(he is German tho!)

[Muppet]

The V-strom is a capable bike, but when they get to 60,000 km like my 1150GS, they end up as spare parts:yes: and worth jack' BMW's are worth more and hold their value, there's a reason for that methinks!

Just so you know I'm not biased, I've owned cbr600, R1, VTR1000F, CBR954RR and now R1150GS with 60 k on the clock, if you are going to get an adventure bike make sure it comes with panniers etc cost an arm and a leg to buy otherwise.

[Jantar]

A mate bought a V-strom last december and the few shiny bits on it are already tarnished with the dreaded rust despite being stored in garage. His original pride and love of it has been tarnished along with it and now looking at a beemer(he is German tho!)

Rust? I've had mine for just over two years, and its stored in an open implement shed. there is no sign of rust anywhere, mainly because there is nothing to rust. It is ALL alloy or plastic.

[Jantar]

The V-strom is a capable bike, but when they get to 60,000 km like my 1150GS, they end up as spare parts:yes: and worth jack' BMW's are worth more and hold their value, there's a reason for that methinks!....

This is news. I know of many with double that distance on them, and one that has gone over 220000 km.

[Big Dave]

FWIW the general consensus around the Kiwi Rider staff and testers is DR650.

[Oscar]

I had a V Strom and it was a great bike, but perfect for NZ?
I guess it depends on your personal criteria.

The V Strom has one major flaw - the forks.
They aren't an issue on good seal but on any broken surface, they are crap. Basically they don't react to choppy surfaces (like the braking ruts you get on the entrance to corners on gravel roads).

Having ridden most of the BMW GS series, I have to say that they come close apart from the price (twice as good as a V Strom? I don't think so).

So based on my own personal experience looking for the perfect long haul adventure bike: starting in 1998, I went:


XR650RL - good allrounder, but limited on-road.
TDM850 - Great on road, good on gravel, limited off-road.
F650Dakar - great on-road, good on gravel, limited (and very disappointing) off-road.
V Strom Great on the road, very good on gravel, limited off road.
KTM 950 The best all rounder for me.


Basically, if you stop at the gate, a GS1200 is the thing. But if you keep going up that track, get a KTM.

[sels1]

The previous model of the triumph tiger.Fits perfectly.

Got my vote there too. My one has done over 100,000km with no problems.
Parts are readily available thru the Triumph dealer network, (although they are not the cheapest). Build quality and reliability are top notch, as you would expect from a modern European manufacturer.


Rust? I've had mine for just over two years, and its stored in an open implement shed. there is no sign of rust anywhere, mainly because there is nothing to rust. It is ALL alloy or plastic.

It would be fair to point out that that rust is not the same issue in dry, low humidity Central Otago as it is if you live near the coast. I have seen several Suzukis around Wgtn that have more metal degradation than they should for their age. May have something to do with country of manufacture? (non Japanese ones I mean)

FWIW the general consensus around the Kiwi Rider staff and testers is DR650.
Except for the long range 2-up requirement....

[Jantar]

...It would be fair to point out that that rust is not the same issue in dry, low humidity Central Otago as it is if you live near the coast. I have seen several Suzukis around Wgtn that have more metal degradation than they should for their age. May have something to do with country of manufacture? (non Japanese ones I mean)....

We aren't immune to rust down here. With my previous bike, a GS1200SS, I had to keep on top of rust developing in some unusual places. It wasn't hard to eliminate, but I did have keep it clean and touch up bits here and there very regularly. The VStrom, simply has very few parts that can rust. It is almost all alloy or plastic.

The only parts that can show any signs of rust are the steel screws holding the fairing, and the stands. Even the exhaust is stainless steel. Ah, I wonder if some people are seeing the discolouration of the exhaust as rust. :confused:

[James Deuce]

Ah, I wonder if some people are seeing the discolouration of the exhaust as rust. :confused:

Shhhh, or I won't be able to get cheap Yoshimura exhaust systems (full systems too) off TradeMe anymore.

Oh, and don't tell anyone that a Scotchbrite, a little bit of Persil, and some elbow grease restore them to shiny newness.

[Jerry74]

The Ducati ST series are worth a look

[Big Dave]

We aren't immune to rust down here.

Apparently Rust never freezes, either.

[rastuscat]

Ive had a look-see at them - money isn't the end all and be all - but I'm more interested in getting value for money.

The big GS is iro twice the price - is it twice as good?

A secondhand one makes the value proposition better - but I always wonder what the previous owners did with them.


Remember when the Govt bought the BMW limos and everyone was up in arms about it? That's coz almost everyone wanted to bag the govt, and it seemed like an easy issue to pick.

What really matters is the whole of life cost of the vehicle. Like, how long youy going to keep it? What will it be worth in that time? How much will the servicing and fuel cost over that time? And finally, what will the resale be?

The big problem is brand loyalty. You'll never get a BMW person to recommend a VStrom, or vice versa. Likewise, lots of people who have never had a BMW just look at the price, and write that option off. Never mind the fact that around the world they are generally regarded as the best adventure bike you can get.

Before you decide, think about resale, whole of life cost and the life-sucking depreciation that Suzukis (and most other marques) suffer from.

Just my views. I know I've opened a can of worms, as most everyone has a view on this. Buy a used GS, you'll not regret it. The owners generally ride them like nanas.

[Forest]

Ive had a look-see at them - money isn't the end all and be all - but I'm more interested in getting value for money.

The big GS is iro twice the price - is it twice as good?

The GS isn't twice as good.



A secondhand one makes the value proposition better - but I always wonder what the previous owners did with them.

To be honest the GS series is the motorcycling equivalent of the 4wd. Over 90% of them will never go off-road, but they make the owner feel that they have the capability to go off-road if they want to. In other words they appeal to people's perceptions of freedom and mobility.

This means that very few used GS bikes will ever spend much time off the tarseal. Provided they've been properly serviced (as this is important) you won't have too much to worry about.

I recommend you consider a used GS.

[Snails pace]

I know alot of you guys are big is beautiful, but I love my 650 v strom. 18 months old and 67k on the clock and still running sweet. If I cruise at 5-5500 rpm I get 450kms out f the tank (22 ltrs). Thats running it dry. Generally average 400+ to the tank full. Over 6000rpms and she can get thirsty. Thats full panniers and a top box. The boss and I go two up no problems, but i don't go much over 120, love my license too much. That said, on my own, with full luggage I got up to 180 (on the GPS) before the speed wobbles began. Thought it was time to slow down:lol:
Am at present wanting to add to the stable. But there is nothing really out there that rings my bell. Have put emulators in the front forks and looking at an Ohlins on the back. Am planning to do more overseas travel and want something a bit more in the engine department for the likes of Europe two up. Secondly a tad more ground clearance would be great. For NZ road conditions, tar and gravel, it is fine. But some more distant lands there are more pot holes then smooth road and with the added weight of another person a few more mm 0f clearance would be great.

[Oscar]

Remember when the Govt bought the BMW limos and everyone was up in arms about it? That's coz almost everyone wanted to bag the govt, and it seemed like an easy issue to pick.

What really matters is the whole of life cost of the vehicle. Like, how long youy going to keep it? What will it be worth in that time? How much will the servicing and fuel cost over that time? And finally, what will the resale be?

The big problem is brand loyalty. You'll never get a BMW person to recommend a VStrom, or vice versa. Likewise, lots of people who have never had a BMW just look at the price, and write that option off. Never mind the fact that around the world they are generally regarded as the best adventure bike you can get.

Before you decide, think about resale, whole of life cost and the life-sucking depreciation that Suzukis (and most other marques) suffer from.

Just my views. I know I've opened a can of worms, as most everyone has a view on this. Buy a used GS, you'll not regret it. The owners generally ride them like nanas.

I own two KTM's, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a V Strom or a GS to someone I thought would benefit (based on their requirements).

Having owned a BMW, I just don't get it (the whole BMW mystique).
Sure they are well made (but the build quality is no better than a KTM), but do suffer from their share of problems (final drive for GS's and ECU/FI for F650's, for example).

As for used value, that just don't make sense either - surely you should compare your used GS to a used V Strom (for example). Not only that, but a quick squiz on Tard Me shows:


2004 BMW GS1150Adv - $19000. These had a new price of $28,000ish, so it's worth 67% of new price after 34,000km's.
A coupla of 2001/2 GS1150's at $11,000 - which means they're at about 44% of new price ($25,000) (one had 30,000km's the other 77,000km's).
An '02 V Strom at $8950, which means it's worth 60% of purchase price ($14995) after 20,000km's.
My own V Strom (an '02 model sold new in '05), which I paid $10,000 for, I actually sold for $10,750 nine months later (which is more than two thirds of it's new price).


Not very scientific I grant you, but there is no evidence there of higher resale values for Beemers (actually the opposite is true), or "life sucking depreceation" for Sozooks (again, it would appear that they hold their value very well) .

Edit:

Looking again at the GS1150A, the guy had put a squillion dollars worth of bling on it:

BMW Cross-bar protector,
BMW injector covers,
BMW adventure topbox (side box used as topbox),
BMW black system panniers,
BMW motorcycle Oil Filter Tool,
BMW trickle battery charger,
BMW clear turn signal lenses,(+ yellow lenses)
BMW oil filter,
Aftermarket lockable oil filler cap,(+ original)
Aftermarket rally foot rests + originals,
Aftermarket black side panels,
Aftermarket magnetic tankbag (black),
Aftermarket air filter,+ oils, shampoo.
Aftermarket screen plus original,
Aftermarket spot-lights (fitted by BMW),
Aftermarket head-light protector,
Aftermarket sidestand foot enlarger,
Aftermarket front mudguard lower extention,(fender extendar)
Kaoko cruise control,
Touratec gearlever extender,
Touratech oil cooler protection,
Touratec handlebar risers,
Touratec back-brakelever extention,
Haynes Service Manual,
Sheep skin seatcover (light grey),
Remus y-piece,+ original cat,
4x new Bosch Oil filters.
GlobeRiders BMW R1100/1150GS - Adventure Touring Instructional DVD

So contrary to the BMW holding it's value, this one is a fecking good buy.

[Oscar]

I know alot of you guys are big is beautiful, but I love my 650 v strom. 18 months old and 67k on the clock and still running sweet. If I cruise at 5-5500 rpm I get 450kms out f the tank (22 ltrs). Thats running it dry. Generally average 400+ to the tank full. Over 6000rpms and she can get thirsty. Thats full panniers and a top box. The boss and I go two up no problems, but i don't go much over 120, love my license too much. That said, on my own, with full luggage I got up to 180 (on the GPS) before the speed wobbles began. Thought it was time to slow down:lol:
Am at present wanting to add to the stable. But there is nothing really out there that rings my bell. Have put emulators in the front forks and looking at an Ohlins on the back. Am planning to do more overseas travel and want something a bit more in the engine department for the likes of Europe two up. Secondly a tad more ground clearance would be great. For NZ road conditions, tar and gravel, it is fine. But some more distant lands there are more pot holes then smooth road and with the added weight of another person a few more mm 0f clearance would be great.

I saw a DL1000 in Aussie with what looked like RM or DRZ forks on the front
and an Ohlins.
Lotsa ground clearance.
Nice.

[avgas]

- TS/ER range
- DR range
- TT, XT range
- XR range

Those would be my picks for the perfect bike in NZ.
Built like brick shithouses, off the shelf bearings, no electronics, flood proof.
All do over 100 kph.

All the bikes you guys mention have lots of bits to break off, hard to get parts, electronics/electrics that WILL fail if you try, rubbish fuel range, rubbish weight, rubbish tyres........so basically your wrong.

Oh and while were at the perfect kiwi car is the old hilux, escudo/grand whatever.......stuff that doesnt have plastic, electronics more than the average casio, fluid this or electric that.

Thats all - back to your comfort zone ladies

[Oscar]

- TS/ER range
- DR range
- TT, XT range
- XR range

Those would be my picks for the perfect bike in NZ.
Built like brick shithouses, off the shelf bearings, no electronics, flood proof.
All do over 100 kph.

All the bikes you guys mention have lots of bits to break off, hard to get parts, electronics/electrics that WILL fail if you try, rubbish fuel range, rubbish weight, rubbish tyres........so basically your wrong.

Oh and while were at the perfect kiwi car is the old hilux, escudo/grand whatever.......stuff that doesnt have plastic, electronics more than the average casio, fluid this or electric that.

Thats all - back to your comfort zone ladies

You should consider changing your user name to "Luddite".

[Big Dave]

Sent to me by a KTM owner, okay.

[Oscar]

Try this with a GS...

[Big Dave]

Try this with a GS...

Blah blah. There are only a small minority of us (well, you actually) that would want to do it on a 125.

[Oscar]

Blah blah. There are only a small minority of us (well, you actually) that would want to do it on a 125.

Stop it.
We're hijacking an interesting thread.


Getting back to NZ's Perfect Bike, I wasnae trying to bag any brand.

If I did more road miles, I would be lusting after a R1200GSA (or a F800GSA fer that matter). If The Publisher is to be believed (I know, I know), then 70% of NZ's roads aren't sealed, which makes a more gravel oriented bike the business...

[avgas]

You should consider changing your user name to "Luddite".
Nah - then i would be out of a job.
You have to admit that bikes are like food, what you like - is not good for you.
But of course if we lived any else but the arse end of the world i would feel more confident in other bikes....im just sick of the threads on there that start like this:

"Help! I was travelling NZ on my new BMW/KTM/Laverda/Buell... and while crossing a river/jumping a bank/riding the twisties/chasing rabbits/climbing a mountain...... the bike fell/drowned/stopped/crashed.... and now i really badly need the following parts ..... but i cant seem to find them anywhere!!!????"

Where as i can vouch for the other bikes that i mentioned cos i keep hearing stories that usually involve some cow cockey wheeling the bent and broken bike into a shed a few hours later it fires back into life and disaster is averted.

And before you retort this tell me this are you using window vista or the latest Mac OS or Linux OS.......if not - WHY? :msn-wink:

[avgas]

Try this with a GS...
Funny they dont have the photo afterwards where a new rear shock is helicoptered in.

FYI show me the same bike in 30 years......

[Oscar]

Hold the phone...I found the perfect bike over on ADVRider:

[Forest]

Hold the phone...I found the perfect bike over on ADVRider:

Fantastic! That's what happens when a bike is designed by a committee.

Great photoshop!

[Oscar]

Funny they dont have the photo afterwards where a new rear shock is helicoptered in.

FYI show me the same bike in 30 years......

One of the reasons I waited to buy my 950 (apart from a complete lack of funds), was that I never version one of anything.

They do have a few niggles, but breaking shocks ain't one of them.
Have a look over at ADVRider.com, there's heaps of info. on them (and some great pics).

[Big Dave]

Stop it.
We're hijacking an interesting thread.


Kinda - point is there isn't a perfect bike for NZ - we're all individuals - like everyone else.

[Jantar]

Question for all - Ive been searching around for information on bikes looking for the next upgrade.

One of Hitchers post got me interested in the Suzuki V-Strom 1000.

What I'm looking for is a do-everything type bike.

Good handling and reasonable power / speed so I can enjoy a bit of wrist down now and then.
Comfortable riding for long treks, possibly taking it to o'seas for real long trips
Ability to take 2 up for a long period (I'm taking my 11yo son with me camping etc)
Be able to get to most places - although I'm not taking 'really off road'
OK for commuting around town
Value for money - the purchase price is not that important - but I don't want to pay double for a BMW that's only 5% "better"


In short - I'm intending of seeing 'a lot of NZ' - what would be the best bike to do this on (and why). I'm also hoping to do a couple of 'decent' overseas rides where Id ship the bike also - although that is later down the line.

Comments / debate appreciated:


- TS/ER range
- DR range
- TT, XT range
- XR range

Those would be my picks for the perfect bike in NZ.
Built like brick shithouses, off the shelf bearings, no electronics, flood proof.
All do over 100 kph.

All the bikes you guys mention have lots of bits to break off, hard to get parts, electronics/electrics that WILL fail if you try, rubbish fuel range, rubbish weight, rubbish tyres........so basically your wrong....

Somehow I don't see any of the bikes you've listed as being suitable for long distances 2 up with luggage.

As I commented earlier, there is no perfect bike, but plenty of good all round bikes. From what has been described, a larger capacity would be better. So the VStrom, GS1200, Tiger (07 or earlier model), would be the best ones to consider. Price would favour the Strom, but even I (as a Suzuki advocate) must admit that the Tiger has the smoothest engine of the three.

All of these will do over 320 km on a tank, so I wouldn't call that rubbish fuel range. Tyres are a matter of rider's choice, and why do you imagine that modern electronics "will" fail? The request is for a general purpose bike, not an off road trail bike.

[vgcspares]

Unless you've got good insurance you might want to steer clear of GSs - very fragile in a fall and they don't like repairing them. I've seen a few "lightly" damaged BMs get written off lately.

[martybabe]

Try this with a GS...


Sooner him than me mind you. The long and possibly painful way down.

[Oscar]

Nah - then i would be out of a job.
You have to admit that bikes are like food, what you like - is not good for you.
But of course if we lived any else but the arse end of the world i would feel more confident in other bikes....im just sick of the threads on there that start like this:

"Help! I was travelling NZ on my new BMW/KTM/Laverda/Buell... and while crossing a river/jumping a bank/riding the twisties/chasing rabbits/climbing a mountain...... the bike fell/drowned/stopped/crashed.... and now i really badly need the following parts ..... but i cant seem to find them anywhere!!!????"

Where as i can vouch for the other bikes that i mentioned cos i keep hearing stories that usually involve some cow cockey wheeling the bent and broken bike into a shed a few hours later it fires back into life and disaster is averted.

And before you retort this tell me this are you using window vista or the latest Mac OS or Linux OS.......if not - WHY? :msn-wink:

One of the reasons I bought a 950 instead of a 990 (apart from being a cheap cahnt) is that I felt I didn't need fuel injection (or the extra 10hp that came with it).

It is true that as bikes get more sophisticated, they get harder to fix, but the flip side of this is that older bikes take more effort to keep running. And by way of comparison, if you had the choice between riding to the opportunity to ride to the CCA from Hamilton (my last long ride) on a KTM or 1974 TS185 (my first bike), which would you pick?
Which would be the most likely to break?

[Oscar]

Kinda - point is there isn't a perfect bike for NZ - we're all individuals - like everyone else.

Individuals?

Yeah, right.

We're herd animals.
How else do explain the distinct tribes in motorcycling?
The HD leather and wrap around sunnies tribe?
The Ducatista?
The Charlie & Ewen wannabes?

[gunnyrob]

I've had a great time on the R1200GS thus far, except when I shat the clutch on the Gentle Annie. Had it on the Kawhia Overnighter #2, took it easy on the gravel, and it shone as usual back on the seal. NZs perfect bike.

(But I reckon XB-12Xs are pretty cool too)

[Oscar]

Sooner him than me mind you. The long and possibly painful way down.

He's a braver man than me.
I once tried a jump on an original R80GS (Gaston Rahier replica! Shit I'm old...) in the middle of Bay Park (remember Bay Park? Shit I'm old...). I got it about 1.5 meters in the air and the landing caused my spine to become jelly and my bowels to become even jelly-er....

[Oscar]

I've had a great time on the R1200GS thus far, except when I shat the clutch on the Gentle Annie. Had it on the Kawhia Overnighter #2, took it easy on the gravel, and it shone as usual back on the seal. NZs perfect bike.

(But I reckon XB-12Xs are pretty cool too)

I tried to get one of those up a steep hill at the Te Wera ride a coupla years ago and the clutch started smoking something fierce...it wasn't yours was it...?

[Big Dave]

Individuals?

Yeah, right.

We're herd animals.
How else do explain the distinct tribes in motorcycling?
The HD leather and wrap around sunnies tribe?
The Ducatista?
The Charlie & Ewen wannabes?

More simplistic.
What works for moi at 195cm doesn't for...Cambpell eg at 112cm.
But then I need a DR for each cheek.

Joe Schmo in Newmarket needs different to Jantar.

[Crisis management]

My picks would be, in order of bestest first.....

KTM 990 :Punk:
KTM950 (just to shut the grouch up)
GS1150, great buying second hand....
02-07 Tiger, but you need to be a big build to operate these suckers
Honda Varadero
Buell Ulyses (keen supporter of the myth that is "Big Dave")
Vstrom, the 650 is my pick but carrying capacity is better on the thou
Cagiva Gran canyon

After that almost any other bike ever made, reality is you can go almost anywhere on anything, we only restrict ourselves by our lack of foolhardiness!


Go ride a few Tank.

[Big Dave]

My picks would be, in order of bestest first.....

KTM 990 :Punk:
KTM950 (just to shut the grouch up)
GS1150, great buying second hand....
02-07 Tiger, but you need to be a big build to operate these suckers
Honda Varadero
Buell Ulyses (keen supporter of the myth that is "Big Dave")
Vstrom, the 650 is my pick but carrying capacity is better on the thou
Cagiva Gran canyon

After that almost any other bike ever made, reality is you can go almost anywhere on anything, we only restrict ourselves by our lack of foolhardiness!


Go ride a few Tank.

'Legend'.
_______

[Crisis management]

'Legend'.
_______

In own mind?


Just thought about this comment and felt it could be a bit offensive....sorry, not intended that way and grovelling apologies if I have offended.


Lunchbox? Over my head, one of the advantages of being a short arse.

[Big Dave]

Lunchbox.
_______

[Oscar]

More simplistic.
What works for moi at 195cm doesn't for...Cambpell eg at 112cm.
But then I need a DR for each cheek.

Joe Schmo in Newmarket needs different to Jantar.

Very true, but off topic. So if you'd like to cease your communistic inclusive feel good blatherings and attend to the original post, which was reasonably specific:


What I'm looking for is a do-everything type bike.

* Good handling and reasonable power / speed so I can enjoy a bit of wrist down now and then.
* Comfortable riding for long treks, possibly taking it to o'seas for real long trips
* Ability to take 2 up for a long period (I'm taking my 11yo son with me camping etc)
* Be able to get to most places - although I'm not taking 'really off road'
* OK for commuting around town
* Value for money - the purchase price is not that important - but I don't want to pay double for a BMW that's only 5% "better"


Mr. Management is probably right.
This man needs a Wee Strom.

[Big Dave]

In own mind?


Just thought about this comment and felt it could be a bit offensive....sorry, not intended that way and grovelling apologies if I have offended.


Lunchbox? Over my head, one of the advantages of being a short arse.

Big Dave: Legend in Own Lunchbox. It's an Australian thing. A comedy affectation (<- see that Random - that's where it goes)

[Big Dave]

Very true, but off topic.

Don't recall anyone askin' your opinion by name, Sunkissed. :-P

[Oscar]

Don't recall anyone askin' your opinion by name, Sunkissed. :-P

I regard it as a public service...

Raising the standard of debate, Old Chap.

(Ps - If you reply to my post, that kinda is asking for my opinion...)

[Big Dave]

(Ps - If you reply to my post, that kinda is asking for my opinion...)

Emily Bronte?....No, wait...Charlotte Bronte.

[Oscar]

Emily Bronte?....No, Charlotte Bronte.

Dame Edna...

[oldrider]

Question for all - Ive been searching around for information on bikes looking for the next upgrade.

One of Hitchers post got me interested in the Suzuki V-Strom 1000.

What I'm looking for is a do-everything type bike.

Good handling and reasonable power / speed so I can enjoy a bit of wrist down now and then.
Comfortable riding for long treks, possibly taking it to o'seas for real long trips
Ability to take 2 up for a long period (I'm taking my 11yo son with me camping etc)
Be able to get to most places - although I'm not taking 'really off road'
OK for commuting around town
Value for money - the purchase price is not that important - but I don't want to pay double for a BMW that's only 5% "better"


In short - I'm intending of seeing 'a lot of NZ' - what would be the best bike to do this on (and why). I'm also hoping to do a couple of 'decent' overseas rides where Id ship the bike also - although that is later down the line.

Comments / debate appreciated:

As BD says, the choice is so personal. Fortunately there are quite a few choices to pick from. :niceone:

We chose the 06 model Triumph Tiger 955i because it would do all of the things that you list above.

Also because it was such a good value dollar wise as a brand new full spec run out model.

Now 18 months and 16,000 miles (25,000km) later, it is our version of the perfect bike for (our needs) in New Zealand.

Would we buy another one?

In a heartbeat but Triumph don't make them any more! (Still a few of them about, if you look closely)

Prior to buying the Tiger we were considering a V-Strom (1,000) because they were just the best (new bike) bang for bucks on the market at the time.

It beats me why Triumph went the way they did with the new Tiger!

That does not mean that the 07 Triumph Tiger (roadie) isn't a good bike, it is but I don't think it is what "we" want from Triumph at the moment.

Triumph should have continued the (old) Tiger and brought the "roadie" out as a new upright sports model.

Good luck with your quest for the "perfect bike" for New Zealand. :confused: Cheers John.

[Big Dave]

Apart from all that Tank - I wish I could see the look on his face when when he sees the ' missing from 'itchers.

Several green blings if you tell me that was on purpose.

[Tank]

Apart from all that Tank - I wish I could see the look on his face when when he sees the ' missing from 'itchers.

Several green blings if you tell me that was on purpose.

ok - it was on purpose :innocent:

[Big Dave]

ok - it was on purpose :innocent:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tank again.

[avgas]

Hold the phone...I found the perfect bike over on ADVRider:
Its only a matter of time...........

[avgas]

why do you imagine that modern electronics "will" fail? The request is for a general purpose bike, not an off road trail bike.
Cos people like me build it lol
General purpose - postie bike lol

[Tank]

Well - thanks for all the comments one and all.

I had been thinking a lot - with my first cruiser I could have gone for a HD or triumph - but I got a M50. The main reasons were:

a) I was new to riding and it was possible I was going to drop it (I have not BTW) and,

b) I wasn't sure that was 'my style' of riding (if that makes sense)

So why spend huge $$$ and take the hit on depreciation (ie 20% of 30k is a lot more than 20% of 11.5k)

I DO know however that my 11yo son wants to take the bike out to beaches etc and camp with the old man - so anything that helps with that is a HUGE +

Of late - Ive been thinking that Adventure 'type' riding - (talking gravel roads etc) is going to be more my (and my sons) thing (and long touring), but I may be wrong - who knows - I have to spend some time working this out.

For this reason - I think its silly to spend iro $20k on a big BMW, and find that I dont like that type of riding (yes - I have been watching long way round and have been reading the book) - so I'm inspired although it could all end up not being me.

I think I have a nice deal lined up on a new bike. If the figures come together I will grab one today / tomorrow.

I will let you know what I got when I get it home.

Thanks again for the comments all !

[EJK]

Does that mean "Watch this place!"? :blink:

[Tank]

Does that mean "Watch this place!"? :blink:

No - feel free to wander around, talk amongst yourself, go for lunch etc.

:yes:

I just dont like to says I've done something until its a 'done deal', but if you ask the question / opinions - its only polite to come back and tell folk what ya did.

[Tank]

Back from the shop.

Picked up a 06 Suzuki VStrom 1000.

New grips, Vetura rack, and a really nice Rider seat. Like new condition - not even a stone ship. Silver and Black.

Spoke to the previous owner - 63 years old - told me he got it to 140km once - never did gravel etc - a VERY gentle rider.

Booked it in to Holshot for a full service - and will throw new rubber on it also.

Best part - Price for it was 10,995 which was about right. BUT I got 10k for the Suzuki M50 I traded - I only paid 10.5 for it when I brought it new 7 months ago - now added just under 8000km.

I know its only the difference that matters not the bike or trade value - but I did go to Holshot and they said to take the deal - there was nothing that they could do to even get close.

Im one happy camper right now. So happy I even went for a ride in the hail.

Its been an interesting thread - thanks for all the comments and help guys!


wahoooo - not to buy engine guards, panniers, and Im off!

[martybabe]

Back from the shop.

Picked up a 06 Suzuki V Strom 1000.

New grips, Ventura rack, and a really nice Rider seat. Like new condition - not even a stone ship. Silver and Black.

Spoke to the previous owner - 63 years old - told me he got it to 140km once - never did gravel etc - a VERY gentle rider.

Booked it in to Holshot for a full service - and will throw new rubber on it also.

Best part - Price for it was 10,995 which was about right. BUT I got 10k for the Suzuki M50 I traded - I only paid 10.5 for it when I brought it new 7 months ago - now added just under 8000km.

I know its only the difference that matters not the bike or trade value - but I did go to Holshot and they said to take the deal - there was nothing that they could do to even get close.

Is one happy camper right now. So happy I even went for a ride in the hail.

Its been an interesting thread - thanks for all the comments and help guys!


wahoooo - not to buy engine guards, panniers, and It off!

Great news Tank but before you piss off on adventures beyond the horizon, a piccy or two would be appreciated. :niceone:

[Oscar]

Back from the shop.

Picked up a 06 Suzuki VStrom 1000.

New grips, Vetura rack, and a really nice Rider seat. Like new condition - not even a stone ship. Silver and Black.

Spoke to the previous owner - 63 years old - told me he got it to 140km once - never did gravel etc - a VERY gentle rider.

Booked it in to Holshot for a full service - and will throw new rubber on it also.

Best part - Price for it was 10,995 which was about right. BUT I got 10k for the Suzuki M50 I traded - I only paid 10.5 for it when I brought it new 7 months ago - now added just under 8000km.

I know its only the difference that matters not the bike or trade value - but I did go to Holshot and they said to take the deal - there was nothing that they could do to even get close.

Im one happy camper right now. So happy I even went for a ride in the hail.

Its been an interesting thread - thanks for all the comments and help guys!


wahoooo - not to buy engine guards, panniers, and Im off!

Nice.
Mine had Remus pipes on it - and it sounded sweeeet....:Punk:

[oldrider]

Bought a BRM (Bike Rider magazine) today and it has a "shoot out" article in it between BMW R 1200 GS an 07 Tiger 1050 and a KTM 990 Adventure!

IMHO the article is crap, they apparently never went "off road" and the whole test run was conducted as a "sport bike" run around the East Cape.

I think the preference outcome/conclusion was:

1) BMW.
2) Tiger.
3) KTM.

Well I ask you, Adventure ride?

So many men, so many opinions, I guess they are entitled to theirs! :confused:

(IMHO) These sorts of articles do nothing for people such as Tank and the subject of this thread. :no: John.

PS: Buy the mag and read the article, then tell me if I am right or out of order! I would appreciate "your" opinion.

[reofix]

OK .. prejudiced opinion ( just like everyones)... bought a 1200 gs new in 07 .... 34000ks to date .... incl deep into sth island (live in ham so those long hauls to the deep sth are bliss)... capital coast 08 (all challenge sections)... every weekend (rain or shine) ... this machine is GOD... worth every dollar I paid...a few doinks and scratches now and doesnt get polished much but she loves me ... and hell and damn the feelings mutual !!!

[Big Dave]

I'll give you an unprejudiced opinion.

My bike of the year (so far) is a BMW.

[Tank]

anyway - this thread is useless without pics....

So here is a lousy pic (taken by the dealers) of the new ride.

[pritch]

(I dont want to end up like my work mate who had to wait 9 months for KTM parts)

That's a pity because otherwise the best bike acording to your criteria would be the big KTM Adventure.

My second choice for the job would be the new BMW 800GS.

The V-Strom also fits of course and offers more bang for the buck.

If you aren't in too much of a hurry (and you don't seem to be put off by the ugly factor) the Honda TransAlp would be worth a look.

Have fun

[Oscar]

anyway - this thread is useless without pics....

So here is a lousy pic (taken by the dealers) of the new ride.

Izzat a corbin seat?
Nice...

[Tank]

Izzat a corbin seat?
Nice...

Nope - its a NZ made Rider - their website is http://www.trimit.co.nz/ When working out to buy the bike or not I got a price from them to do the work - $600+GST.

Its very comfortable and nicely shaped (and drops you about 1"). Stitching etc is of a very good quality - Id happily get them to make my next seat.

[Cajun]

Nope - its a NZ made Rider - their website is http://www.trimit.co.nz/ When working out to buy the bike or not I got a price from them to do the work - $600+GST.

Its very comfortable and nicely shaped (and drops you about 1"). Stitching etc is of a very good quality - Id happily get them to make my next seat.

my father in law does these seats, we can customize the seat style to each person individual needs/tastes for there bike

[nodrog]

anyway - this thread is useless without pics....

So here is a lousy pic (taken by the dealers) of the new ride.

you should PM Laava, he has one of these and loves it, has some cool mods too (i think he has a LED fetish)

BTW who where the dealers?

[buzzard]

KTM 990 adventure - goes anywhere.

'Nuff said

[Tank]

my father in law does these seats, we can customize the seat style to each person individual needs/tastes for there bike

Im glad I said nice things about it then :yes:


you should PM Laava, he has one of these and loves it, has some cool mods too (i think he has a LED fetish)

BTW who where the dealers?

Thanks - I will PM laava - I think I may have seen his work in Stromtrooper.com - LED's in the tailight?

The dealers were Cyclespot Honda. Funny thing was when I went to Holshot Suzuki right next door they couldn't match the price and showed me a Transalp as an alternative.

[Tank]

KTM 990 adventure - goes anywhere.

'Nuff said

Indeed - an awesome bike - however I discounted KTM because of a friends experience (late last year) that had him waiting 9 months for parts after being hit by a cage.

He was bike-less for all of summer. I figured most other manufacturers wouldn't keep someone waiting this long.

I'm sure its not like this with every KTM part - but I figured that was my experience of it - so why risk it.

[Oscar]

my father in law does these seats, we can customize the seat style to each person individual needs/tastes for there bike

Does he do KTM's?

[Draig]

Hey Tank - did you get the original DL1000 seat with the bike?

If so and you are willing to sell it on I am in the market for one?

Let me know eh?

Ta

[Tank]

Hey Tank - did you get the original DL1000 seat with the bike?

If so and you are willing to sell it on I am in the market for one?

Let me know eh?

Ta

I believe that they use the original base and build the new seat on top of that. - Thus no 'spare' seat.

Sorry I couldnt help.

[The Pastor]

cbr250RR probably is the best bike for NZ sealed roads :)

[EJK]

Can it do mean wheelies bro?

Thats what you really wanna ask eh?

[nodrog]

Thanks - I will PM laava - I think I may have seen his work in Stromtrooper.com - LED's in the tailight?

he has leds around the exhaust caps and in the mirrors that work with his indicators.

[sels1]

So here is a lousy pic (taken by the dealers) of the new ride.

Well congrats on the new ride.May it bring many hours of happiness.

[Crisis management]

Does he do KTM's?

Yes, and very well if the one I've seen is anything to go by.....


Gel seat not jelly enough for you?

[Cajun]

Does he do KTM's?

it got a seat we can do it.

can do whatever you need, lower, higher, softer, harder, reshape.

Custom fit to suit your arse.

[marioc]

I think they look quite nice

[Oscar]

Yes, and very well if the one I've seen is anything to go by.....


Gel seat not jelly enough for you?

I got rid of it - too short.

[Draig]

I believe that they use the original base and build the new seat on top of that. - Thus no 'spare' seat.

Sorry I couldnt help.

Ah well - worth asking.

Enjoy the new ride:woohoo:

Ta

[oldrider]

Back from the shop.

Picked up a 06 Suzuki VStrom 1000.

New grips, Vetura rack, and a really nice Rider seat. Like new condition - not even a stone ship. Silver and Black.

Spoke to the previous owner - 63 years old - told me he got it to 140km once - never did gravel etc - a VERY gentle rider.

Booked it in to Holshot for a full service - and will throw new rubber on it also.

Best part - Price for it was 10,995 which was about right. BUT I got 10k for the Suzuki M50 I traded - I only paid 10.5 for it when I brought it new 7 months ago - now added just under 8000km.

I know its only the difference that matters not the bike or trade value - but I did go to Holshot and they said to take the deal - there was nothing that they could do to even get close.

Im one happy camper right now. So happy I even went for a ride in the hail.

Its been an interesting thread - thanks for all the comments and help guys!


wahoooo - not to buy engine guards, panniers, and Im off!

Well, will there be an after purchase ride report to follow, now that you have had it a few days? :Playnice: :confused: :shifty: John

[Tank]

Well, will there be an after purchase ride report to follow, now that you have had it a few days? :Playnice: :confused: :shifty: John

Well sure.

I took it into Holshots for a full going over.

The Brakes had not been cleaned and were 'grabby' gave them a tidy up - now working far better.

The suspension was on 'full soft' front and rear -went back to defaults and it rides a ton nicer.

Changed all fluids and filters (air filter was looked terrible).

The HUGE Givi screen was buffering me like a bastard - Thanks a a KB'er I picked up a madstad adjustable bracket and went back to the (way smaller) standard screen - and now there is no buffering - its like riding in a quite bubble of happiness.

Bike is riding fantastic! did the S?W 16 loop today - far quicker and smoother than I would normally have done on the M50.

I really enjoyed the ride - although because the bike is so different its like I have to learn how to ride all over again.

I got home and said "I love this bike" - its given me a great grin - comfortable ride, and makes me laugh like a mad man when I pop the wrist down to overtake - this thing aint slow (well for me anyhow - Im sure its no R1 etc etc).

Lesson learnt - when buying second hand - do research - set the bike up right, and make sure to give it a full going over - your bike will love you for it.

[oldrider]

Well sure.

I took it into Holshots for a full going over.

The Brakes had not been cleaned and were 'grabby' gave them a tidy up - now working far better.

The suspension was on 'full soft' front and rear -went back to defaults and it rides a ton nicer.

Changed all fluids and filters (air filter was looked terrible).

The HUGE Givi screen was buffering me like a bastard - Thanks a a KB'er I picked up a madstad adjustable bracket and went back to the (way smaller) standard screen - and now there is no buffering - its like riding in a quite bubble of happiness.

Bike is riding fantastic! did the S?W 16 loop today - far quicker and smoother than I would normally have done on the M50.

I really enjoyed the ride - although because the bike is so different its like I have to learn how to ride all over again.

I got home and said "I love this bike" - its given me a great grin - comfortable ride, and makes me laugh like a mad man when I pop the wrist down to overtake - this thing aint slow (well for me anyhow - Im sure its no R1 etc etc).

Lesson learnt - when buying second hand - do research - set the bike up right, and make sure to give it a full going over - your bike will love you for it.

Well done that man!

Do your self a favour now and put a Pro-oiler on the chain and we will see you on the (any kind of) road some day, soon. :ride: Good luck, good choice, cheers John.