Changing the transport act - (address on vehicle rego)

[pyrocam]

I don't think you should be able to find someones home address from their rego. I have requested the reasoning behind from the NZTA (ltsa) who replied:


Section 7(1) and 22(1) of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 requires that we hold a current New Zealand residential address for enforcement purposes. I have provided the link below to relevant legislation.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM91431.html

You can still have the location of where the vehicle is stored as the physical address and provide a different address (in NZ) for mail to be sent to (e.g PO Box).

I queried what you needed to apply for it to be hidden, I mean, if its for 'Enforcement purposes' then surely it doesnt need to be available to anyone?


Confidential Status Application

If any person considers that the supply of their name and address may be likely to jeopardise their or their families personal safety (i.e. threat to life or property), they must put their request in writing to apply for confidential status. Applications must include their full name, address, phone number and the plate numbers of the vehicles involved. Each application is assessed on its own merit.

The applicant must also supply either:
• a protection order
• written confirmation from a Police Officer to the effect that the officer believes that the personal safety of the applicant and the applicants family could be jeopardised by the supply of the applicants name and address
• evidence of a threat to their safety

One person I spoke to advised that you could have your address set to a relative or perhaps your work address, and while that might suit some, it seems silly to have to work around the law when it should just work for us, why should I have to lie?

You are not allowed to use a PO BOX or any other sort of postal address for this record, although you can have a postal address on the record as well as your physical address.


I wrote to Hon Judith Tizard but haven't heard back about it yet. what do you think? Is there something else I haven't considered here?

notable reading thread: Obtaining owner details from a plate no. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=32577&highlight=address+ltsa)

[Max Preload]

Just do what I do. Bullshit physical address & PO Box as address for service. Anyone who needs my real address (Police etc.) for lawful purposes can get it by checking the registration, getting my name and getting my address from my licence details. Anyone else can ask for it specifically stating their reasons and go get fucked if I don't want to give it to them. There's no reason for my address to be readily available to Joe Public from my vehicle registration plates just because they want it. And I don't give a shit if it's the law. :moon:

[Shadows]

I had a wee problem with that kind of thing and was advised by an administrator of the law to use my work address in future.

She just told me to make sure that I could be contacted by mail with whatever details I provided.

So, obviously not a law that will be enforced by anybody that matters then.

Any way, it will all be changing soon, only select groups will be able to access that information.

[Winston001]

The law was changed about 20 years ago because smart alecs were registering vehicles in the name of their dog. Obviously this casued some difficulties with enforcement of parking fines.

PO Boxes are not acceptable as addresses for many types of official registration (eg, company directors) because dishonest people deliberately avoid being identified and located.

If your home address is a problem then your choice is to find a physical address where you can receive mail - work? local Post Shop? :msn-wink:..... and use a PO Box for mailing.

Sorry but I don't agree with you, having had to trace people occasionally.

However I would agree for the law was changed to restrict access to the info to government and local authority agencies and anyone with a financial interest in the vehicle. Where does the mechanic who has been stiffed fit in here though??

[Grahameeboy]

Isn't this going a bit OT...I mean how much of a real issue is it.

How does the potential buyer of a vehicle check the vendor's credentials if they cannot check the address etc.

LTSA already have licenced access on line for Insurer's for eg so there are protections in place.

What they should do is simply record any persons who request information against a registration with Ltsa or just scrap that public route.

[Shadows]

However I would agree for the law was changed to restrict access to the info to government and local authority agencies and anyone with a financial interest in the vehicle. Where does the mechanic who has been stiffed fit in here though??

The dumb cunt shouldn't have let the car go to somebody he doesn't know without first receiving payment in full then. His problem.


Isn't this going a bit OT...I mean how much of a real issue is it.

Quite an issue when there's a bunch of cunts trying to steal your bike in the middle of the night after they got your address for $2.50 from the post office after window shopping on the motorway.


How does the potential buyer of a vehicle check the vendor's credentials if they cannot check the address etc.

Who cares. All of my details are riding around with a simple reference number attached. I don't like that, and if a buyer has a problem with that he can get fucked.


LTSA already have licenced access on line for Insurer's for eg so there are protections in place.

Like fuck there are. Locked doors only keep out honest thieves. Besides, I've seen details posted on this site by people with the very same access. Not very secure if you ask me.


What they should do is simply record any persons who request information against a registration with Ltsa.

They do. But see above.

[Max Preload]

How does the potential buyer of a vehicle check the vendor's credentials if they cannot check the address etc.

Having the vendors physical address is not going to assist with anything when buying a vehicle. If you want to know if it's stolen, that the seller is the 'registered' owner or that there is no security registered over the vehicle, having a physical address won't assist with those things pre-purchase.


LTSA already have licenced access on line for Insurer's for eg so there are protections in place.

What they should do is simply record any persons who request information against a registration with Ltsa or just scrap that public route.

They already do record details of those who make enquiries to the Motorvehicle Registration Database via LTSA agents. But that's of little comfort when your pride and joy is swiped or someone who thinks you've slighted them on the road takes the opportunity to get the details and arrange for a mate of theirs to pop around and give you the bash.

[carver]

my plates are private, ie, you cant get my physical address from my rego.
you have to apply to have it done, and it can only be done if your life is in danger of threats are being made against you and the safety of you or your family is in danger.

[The Stranger]

I voted yes, go for it change the law! - I love seeing people beat their head against a brick wall.

[Gremlin]

Bikes are registered to a work address... easy

Except now one of the bikes IS currently stored at the work address :doh:

[mazz1972]

For me the problem is not that LTSA have my physical address, my beef is that it can be made available to anyone for a small fee payable at the post office. Also it can be gotten online through a lemon check, and also carfax, and who knows where else.

On the other hand if you are buying a vehicle and want to make sure that the seller is the owner, then maybe fair enough to access this info. But we can't have it both ways.

You have to wonder how much vehicle theft can be attributed to people gaining owners details by one of these methods. Of course they could just follow them home...

[CookMySock]

my beef is that it can be made available to anyone for a small fee payable at the post office.What is the problem with that ? What did you do ? Are you afraid they will find you ?


You have to wonder how much vehicle theft can be attributed to people gaining owners details by one of these methods. Of course they could just follow them home...Entertaining ideas like that will poison your mind.

I don't mind if people can look up my vehicle details. I have loads of vehicles, and I don't have a bad attitude while I'm in them. Cheeky, yes. Bad, no.

If someone looked up my details and posted them without my permission in a googlable location - I would have a problem with that. Thats just like posting someones email address in a forum - you don't do it.


Steve

[scumdog]

my plates are private, ie, you cant get my physical address from my rego.
you have to apply to have it done, and it can only be done if your life is in danger of threats are being made against you and the safety of you or your family is in danger.

Ummmm..riding badly at high speeds does not constitute 'you life is in danger' in this context<_<

[Max Preload]

On the other hand if you are buying a vehicle and want to make sure that the seller is the owner, then maybe fair enough to access this info. But we can't have it both ways.

Like I said, having the address of the registered 'owner' adds nothing to the buying process. Even having the name of the registered 'owner' adds little - how many people armed with the name insist on ID to verify the identity? Besides, who a vehicle is registered to and who is actually the owner don't have to be the same thing. The only evidence we have for vehicle ownership here in NZ is a receipt for payment - who is the 'registered' owner means nothing from a legal standpoint - it's there for government agencies to use to lawfully bill us for any alleged driving (speed camera) and parking indiscretions. Nothing more.

Of course, if you want to maintain this illusion of purchase safety with the registered 'owner' being recorded in the Motorvehicle Registration Database, you could make it a simple case of only that person listed as the registered 'owner' being able to request the information pertaining to a particular vehicle to which they are the registered 'owner' and they could do so to show prospective buyers. But it's still only a feelgood measure and in reality means absolutely nothing.

[carver]

Ummmm..riding badly at high speeds does not constitute 'you life is in danger' in this context<_<

haha, i wish it was that trivial!
i ride fine, you must know the score for these things

[Gman71]

has anyone actually HAD their bike stolen by someone checking their details at the post office? I doubt it.

while that sounds nice and 'scary' it is crap and simply doesn't happen in any significant numbers to warrant cutting of this information to legitimate users.

If you couldn't get the data, I'd sell you a bike, just come 'round to my place. and give me some money. you can't check that i own it, just trust me that it's mine. :whistle:

Oh the finance owing, that's not to me, my name is ..um... Bob.:buggerd:

or go and trade your bike in at a dealers. tell him it's your, no, actually, prove it. Oh, you can't? shame he can't check with a central register of "owners'. what now? "pay cash please"- go get finance, I dont want your trade-in.

Go apply for finance for that shiny new bike, oh, they can't verify it's yours? tough shit, no finance. (the sale agreement from the dealer I got was half filled in and looked like my 9 year old made it)- shame they can't verfify you 'own' it.

Correct it is not a 'legal' register of ownership, just the 'registered operator', but it's the best we've got, Just like a drivers license isn't an ID card. (yeah right)

the real problem has been DIRECT MARKETING companies buying lots of random data to then send you advertising for steak knives, and finance etc etc. That is what has created complaints to the Privacy Commissioner. NOT people sneaking into your garage to steal your Nifty50 or Harley.

Anyway, it won't make it to parliamnet with this lame duck Government who is unable to even pass wind, let alone controversial legislation, so it will be left to National to deal with this issue , if at all.

Yes maybe the public channel (ie post shop) could be restricted, but legitimate users- vehicle dealers, vehicle checking services (eg VIR, lemon Check) insurance and finance companies, still need access. personally I like being able to safely and easily check, buy, finance and insure my bike.


jeeez, stop panicing you lot.:calm:

[pyrocam]

I just received a response from Hon Harry Duynhoven the Minister of Transport safety.

It looks like it might be changing and from reading this thread should suit everyone. you can supply a name and a rego and they will tell you if they are the registered owner, but you cant submit a rego and get a name and address

The Bill is not passed yet, Land Transport Amendment Bill (No4) had its first reading this month.

The attached correspondence should give a more detailed response.

I am amazed that I got a response. and its actually not a brush off, good stuff Hon H.Duynhoven!

[skidMark]

You have it wrong, the check people can do on your rego only provides the postal address....

get a PO box.

duh...

[skidMark]

You cant register a vehicle to a PO BOX. I have one. your physical address is what comes up.


Wrong.......

You register its physical address to your house....

your postal address to the PO box.

if somebody does a check they get the PO box...

FACT.

[pyrocam]

I called up the LTSA just now and she advised me its physical.

[Hitcher]

I missed this thread when it was originally posted, as I was travelling abroad.

I sense an acute sense of paranoia amongst those who believe that somebody will do a rego check, find the address of the place where a vehicle is stored, and nick off with it. This is particularly manifest on this site, where people even go to great lengths to photoshop over the plates on photos of their bikes that they post. Goodness me, what a waste of time. My bike's rego appears in all of its gory detail on my profile page. If people want to do a Motocheck to find out from that where I live, good on them. The Whitepages(TM) would be quicker, or they could even ask me, if they were that keen to do visit the darkest depths of Ngaio.

If people are that worried about their "privacy" that they are prepared to lie on legal documents to protect their personal whereabouts, then I don't think there is much that any regulator can do to improve that situation.

I have better ideas for things our politicians could do to improve the lot of vehicle owners in general and motorcyclists in particular than wasting Parliament's time making facile changes to existing statutes.

[OutForADuck]

It does happen.. but so does following home the rider etc. Isn't it just another reason to take security seriously and perhaps insurance?

don't change the law... Get a decent ground anchored chain in your garage and a dog!! :angry:

[hayd3n]

we located a hit and run person thru this loophole keep it i say

[Gremlin]

we located a hit and run person thru this loophole keep it i say
yeah, person clipped my mothers car in a car park, was scared, and drove off. Witnesses could provide the plate, so we traced using the method, so the jury is out on this for me. He admitted he was scared etc, but is paying each week.

Personally, I register my vehicles to a work address, not home, but you do need to provide a physical address. I know you cannot provide only a PO Box, unsure if you provide a po box and physical, and direct correspondence to the po box, as to which would come up.

[phaedrus]

It does happen.. but so does following home the rider etc. Isn't it just another reason to take security seriously and perhaps insurance?

don't change the law... Get a decent ground anchored chain in your garage and a dog!! :angry:

wouldn't it be better if the dog could chase thief?

[Shadows]

I just received a response from Hon Harry Duynhoven the Minister of Transport safety.

It looks like it might be changing and from reading this thread should suit everyone. you can supply a name and a rego and they will tell you if they are the registered owner, but you cant submit a rego and get a name and address

The Bill is not passed yet, Land Transport Amendment Bill (No4) had its first reading this month.

The attached correspondence should give a more detailed response.

I am amazed that I got a response. and its actually not a brush off, good stuff Hon H.Duynhoven!

I told you in post #3.

Geeze, don't you trust me or something?

Harry.

[Shadows]

I sense an acute sense of paranoia amongst those who believe that somebody will do a rego check, find the address of the place where a vehicle is stored, and nick off with it.

Not just paranoia... it wouldn't be the first time it has happened.

[PirateJafa]

don't change the law... Get a decent ground anchored chain in your garage and a dog!! :angry:

You might need a scarier dog... ;)

[pyrocam]

ACCESS TO VEHICLE REGISTER TO BE TIGHTENED

IRN-DRIVE-PA-MOTORISTS 153 words

Jun 25th 2009 5:00am


Politics/Politics

Parliament has voted to tighten up access to the motor vehicle register, in changes to transport laws

MPs from across the political spectrum have voted to protect personal information held on the motor vehicle register.

It follows the final reading of the Land Transport Amendment Bill in Parliament last night. General information about the make and model of vehicles will still be available, but access to owners' address details will be restricted.

Taking part in the debate was Labour MP Chris Hipkins, who stressed the current system is open to abuse and needs to be tightened up. He told the House it is unacceptable for an angry motorist to be able to trace a person through the register, after a road rage incident.

National MP David Bennett believes changing the law will ease the concerns of those who feel their privacy has been compromised.

The law change will be in place by Christmas.

Source: Newstalk ZB
Credit: Newstalk ZB

[p.dath]

Don't forget when you request licence details now that a record is made of this. But I would be in favour of the registered vehicles physical address being a restricted field not available for public viewing. If the legislation says it is only required for enforcement purposes, then only those charged with the duty of enforcement need that information to comply with the legislation.

[steve_t]

Ohhh ... I always used to reference the fact that some freak could see your cool car or bike and decide to find out where you live (where the vehicle has its registered address) through the official information act, but that if you suspect someone has used this facility (ie theft or attempted break-in into the garage) you weren't allowed to ask who had enquired about your address due to the privacy act :2guns: You'd have to get the cops to investigate :Police:
What other non-sensical legislation can I quote now?? Oh... hang on... :laugh: