Honda HISS key replacement? (Blackbird)

[yod]

Anyone ever had to get a new HISS key for their honda?

How bad was the wallet damage?
Was it much of a mission or just a case of advising the dealer and then waiting a few days/weeks?

My blackbird only came with one and I'm pretty certain Murphy is waiting quietly in the wings to shaft me royally; i.e. I'm asking for trouble not having a spare somewhere.

Thanking your goodselves in advance.....

[AllanB]

Not sure with the dealer but he did tell me not to lose them! I've seen them on ebay for my Hornet around US$. If they are the real deal of course!

[jafar]

Anyone ever had to get a new HISS key for their honda?

How bad was the wallet damage?
Was it much of a mission or just a case of advising the dealer and then waiting a few days/weeks?

My blackbird only came with one and I'm pretty certain Murphy is waiting quietly in the wings to shaft me royally; i.e. I'm asking for trouble not having a spare somewhere.

Thanking your goodselves in advance.....

Dealer told me they were approx $700.00 (seven hundred dollars) each but that was a couple of years ago so it may have changed a bit by now. The reason given for the price was that the keys are 'chipped' . Honda will only issue 4 keys for a bike, two come with it when new & you can get two others over the life of the bike, after that your looking at some expensive options. I would suggest you contact the previous owner(s) & try to find the errant key that way.

[Scruffygit]

This was covered in the UK a while back:

http://www.bikersoracle.com/blackbird/forum/showthread.php?t=31451&highlight=key

Basically you can have the ECU programmed to accept up to four keys at any one time. If you lose all the keys then it's new ECU time.

[honda929]

Key cost me $38 plus getting it cut plus about 1 hour labour from honda dealer to get it programmed.

[banditrider]

This was covered in the UK a while back:

http://www.bikersoracle.com/blackbird/forum/showthread.php?t=31451&highlight=key

Basically you can have the ECU programmed to accept up to four keys at any one time. If you lose all the keys then it's new ECU time.

Thanks for the link - good to know. At least I've got 2 keys for the VTR to start with. Interestingly the Concours's KIIPass system is a bit similar in that you can only have so many FOB's (4 I think) before you need to replace the ECU. There's some money hungry sods in bike R&D eh?

[Scruffygit]

Interestingly the Concours's KIIPass system is a bit similar in that you can only have so many FOB's (4 I think) before you need to replace the ECU.

My understanding is that you can have only 4 keys at one time but you can have as many as necessary over the life of the bike.

I also think that if you have more than one key to start with and decided to get a third (or forth) cut, 'just in case', then you have to have the ECU reprogrammed to accept them all at the same time, ie if you have it one then take ALL keys. Also if you reprogramme the keys/ECU then the original key serial number becomes invalid.

I'm not certain on any of these points, so best to check with your local dealer.

[banditrider]

My understanding is that you can have only 4 keys at one time but you can have as many as necessary over the life of the bike.

I also think that if you have more than one key to start with and decided to get a third (or forth) cut, 'just in case', then you have to have the ECU reprogrammed to accept them all at the same time, ie if you have it one then take ALL keys. Also if you reprogramme the keys/ECU then the original key serial number becomes invalid.

I'm not certain on any of these points, so best to check with your local dealer.

That makes a bit more sense...

[Fatjim]

I had a 2003 VTR1000. The ECU could only remember TWO keys at a time.

Honda use a cable which is plugged into the ECU. This cable supplies 12v to a pin which allows the new key to be remembered. You need one key already known to the ECU, you "twiddle" this in the lock in a certain way, then insert the key to be learned and twiddle all over again. Then the jumper plug is removed.

The only real work involved is removing any fairings if required.

[klyong82]

Wild West Honda in Auckland says they just need to order the key blanks from Japan - cost cheap and then 30 mins to programme the key with ya bike...

[nallac]

I got a spare key for my CB900 cost $38, (well actually$32 got a dicount cause they forgot to order it)honda nz had them in stock. cost $5 to get cut elsewhere.
Took em about half an hour to progamme.
no charge for the programing of the key.

most definatley worth getting a spare key don't wanna lose your only one
and have to fork out for a new ECU upwards of $1300...ouch

[nallac]

Not sure with the dealer but he did tell me not to lose them! I've seen them on ebay for my Hornet around US$. If they are the real deal of course!

The US Hornets don't have HISS so there keys are no good to us with out a US ECU...

[yod]

cheers to all for the responses - will post back the outcome when I get it sorted

[AllanB]

The US Hornets don't have HISS so there keys are no good to us with out a US ECU...

Good to know - thanks :-)

[yod]

had a yarn to steve at city honda; key is around $35 and being a relatively new dealership they were still waiting for their special loom connector so they could program the key to the bike

not sure what they'd charge to do it (yet) but it doesnt sound like a huge job

[discotex]

had a yarn to steve at city honda; key is around $35 and being a relatively new dealership they were still waiting for their special loom connector so they could program the key to the bike

not sure what they'd charge to do it (yet) but it doesnt sound like a huge job

You did tell them you lost the only key you had eh?

It's no biggie if you have a key to learn from but if you've lost both you should need to replace the ECU from what Cyclespot told me.

[yod]

You did tell them you lost the only key you had eh?

It's no biggie if you have a key to learn from but if you've lost both you should need to replace the ECU from what Cyclespot told me.

umm...no....i still got a key

sorry....maybe i got the wrong end of the stick, do they program the new key to the old key, not the bike?

[discotex]

umm...no....i still got a key

sorry....maybe i got the wrong end of the stick, do they program the new key to the old key, not the bike?

Nah I got the wrong end of the stick. When you said your bird only came with one I assumed you meant you'd lost it.

They need your original key to tell the ECU to learn the new one. If you'd lost that you'd be screwed but as you're being clever you'll be fine.

[yod]

ah sweet...i knew we'd sort it out eventually lol

yeah just paranoid about the losing the only key and having to fork out a fortune just to get back up and running, not to mention having to leave the bike somewhere

[savagetony]

cripes ive been ripped off, honda waipapa charged me $70 for replacement key, mitre10 $5 to cut it, and have been told by service that it is .5 to 1 hour labour.

[nallac]

yip you've been shafted..
total cost of mine $37 for key&cutting no charge for programming..

man theres something wrong going on there???.
tell them you won't be paying for programming as key should only be
$35-37ish...

[roadracingoldfart]

Just be gratefull you dont have to get a key / remote for some cars

A 2006/7 Mondeo for EG is going to set you back $200.00 plus for the key blank and then cut and program. Some have a seperate remote section and thats another couple of hundred.

We can supply and train a new key to a car even if you loose the only key you have , but we have to reprogram the module to learn a new key and get a pass code from the master distributor to get the code and then most cars can get up to 4 keys at a time programmed.
If you need another key cut / programmed we have to have all available keys to align them all at the same time to the same coding.

It makes sense that differant manufacturers will make thier system harder and more expensive to maintain but i bet there is only a few tiny bits differant in the programmes they run. I heard from a VW owner that got a spare key for a second hand new beetle they got for the kid, just under $800.00. including programming.