Waikato Yamaha won't sell me a FZ1!

[carver]

i went in there to look at the 01 FZ1, and Campbell Hicks, the part owner says he cant even get the keys till his salesman is back, then somehow gets the keys moments later when i ask about the K's on it!
when i ask for a test ride, there is no chance, but when i mention paying cash he is interested again, but i have to come back!its 4pm, a hour before closing time!

can anyone sell me a decent naked sportsbike?
10k ish.....

cause waikato yamaha cant!

[Patch]

don't blame them. They are a member on here - maybe your rep precedes you??

I wouldn't have you riding my bike either.

[carver]

don't blame them. They are a member on here - maybe your rep precedes you??

I wouldn't have you riding my bike either.

so they stock bikes to clean them and keep them?

of course my reputation proceeds me, but i have brought new bikes off them before, but your fucking dreaming if il buy a 10k bike without riding it first.

[Wingnut]

so they stock bikes to clean them and keep them?

of course my reputation proceeds me, but i have brought new bikes off them before, but your fucking dreaming if il buy a 10k bike without riding it first.

Hell, after watching those vids you have posted - I would let you out on a demo for sure.

At the speed you Mormens travel at, well if you binned it, its hardly gonna cause too much damage at all isn't it!!:scooter:

[Richard Mc F]

come and buy a new hornet 900 from me the, I'll even let ya ride it fist

[_intense_]

come and buy a new hornet 900 from me the, I'll even let ya ride it fist

Mmmm hondary goodness... *drool* a sweet hornets way nicer (imo) than a Fazzah (something about swapping a fireblade top end on the engine and having a fireblade engined hornet essentially?) -or did some-one feed be a load of bs? could be worth researching... Que maniacal laughter. :buggerd:

[merv]

Call Lisa Lewis she'd have some influence seeing you guys are going to help her with the cops.

[MentalFacility]

I have never ridden mine before I got it. Paid quite a bit for it too. Did my research. With those bikes you basically cant go wrong. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.

[CHOPPA]

i never test ride bikes, had around 15 new bikes and never once test ridin them. Always turned out to be fine, read what the bikes designed for do your research and you can be certain you wont find the bikes limit you just make the bike suit your style and your away

[carver]

Hell, after watching those vids you have posted - I would let you out on a demo for sure.

At the speed you Mormens travel at, well if you binned it, its hardly gonna cause too much damage at all isn't it!!:scooter:

bin?
i really doubt it.
sure i ride hard, but i know my limits


come and buy a new hornet 900 from me the, I'll even let ya ride it fist

ridden them before and didnt like them, just the susp and weight.


Call Lisa Lewis she'd have some influence seeing you guys are going to help her with the cops.

how'd you know about that..that was sidewinder on the GSXR that was in with that crowd

[Katman]

I have never ridden mine before I got it. Paid quite a bit for it too. Did my research. With those bikes you basically cant go wrong. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.

Sorry, not the sort of answer carver wanted to hear.

Try - "fuckin' smash 'em bro."

[McJim]

I have never ridden mine before I got it. Paid quite a bit for it too. Did my research. With those bikes you basically cant go wrong. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.
I have a sneaky suspicion that you may have paid a wee bit more than $10K considering there's a 7 year difference between the bikes.

I would have no problem letting carver test ride a bike if I owned a bike shop. so long as all my insurance policies are in place I should be guaranteed the full sale price of the bike if it gets binned. Of course the insurance company then goes after the person who caused the damage for the full value of the pay out.....

[DMNTD]

Of course the insurance company then goes after the person who caused the damage for the full value of the pay out.....

Doesn't quite work like that sadly (for the bike shop).
I'd let you (Carver) test ride one of ours if I knew you had the coin to back it up.

[carver]

Sorry, not the sort of answer carver wanted to hear.

Try - "fuckin' smash 'em bro."

i dont think your quite with us...


I have a sneaky suspicion that you may have paid a wee bit more than $10K considering there's a 7 year difference between the bikes.

I would have no problem letting carver test ride a bike if I owned a bike shop. so long as all my insurance policies are in place I should be guaranteed the full sale price of the bike if it gets binned. Of course the insurance company then goes after the person who caused the damage for the full value of the pay out.....

exactly,. thats what i sign the forms for..
never crashed a bike i have test ridden.
out of 33 bikes owned only one of them was crashed when i was at fault.
and that was speeding in the wet!

but it begs the question...
do you want to sell bikes?
treat a customer like shit if he dont look the part, and its a customer you have lost!

[FJRider]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you may have paid a wee bit more than $10K considering there's a 7 year difference between the bikes.

I would have no problem letting carver test ride a bike if I owned a bike shop. so long as all my insurance policies are in place I should be guaranteed the full sale price of the bike if it gets binned. Of course the insurance company then goes after the person who caused the damage for the full value of the pay out.....

Or a 100% deposit FIRST...:calm:

[carver]

Doesn't quite work like that sadly (for the bike shop).
I'd let you (Carver) test ride one of ours if I knew you had the coin to back it up.

hmmm...your a bit far away, plus this one was at a good price with good kms...
they could have just said no....instead of trying to pussyfoot around the issue.

how do you know if i have the coin?

[Katman]

i dont think your quite with us...


I'm eternally grateful.

:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

how do you know if i have the coin?

You just gotta look good and talk posh, bro.

Me, I ain't got a cent to my name, but all I gotta do is crook a finger and shops chuck me the keys to $35,000 bikes.

Then again, not having a cent to my name has never stopped me from spending money regardless, so perhaps those shops are onto something.

[FJRider]

i dont think your quite with us...



exactly,. thats what i sign the forms for..
never crashed a bike i have test ridden.
out of 33 bikes owned only one of them was crashed when i was at fault.
and that was speeding in the wet!

but it begs the question...
do you want to sell bikes?
treat a customer like shit if he dont look the part, and its a customer you have lost!

So the OTHER 32 crashes WEREN'T your fault...???
THRASHED A FEW... but didn't crash...
To sell bikes, you need to have saleable bikes, AFTER the test ride...
If it looks like shit... smells like shit...
and untill you hand over the folding stuff...you're not. And I would say they KNOW you're not even a POTENTIAL customer...if you were, I dont think they would mind the loss anyway....

[MentalFacility]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you may have paid a wee bit more than $10K considering there's a 7 year difference between the bikes.

I would have no problem letting carver test ride a bike if I owned a bike shop. so long as all my insurance policies are in place I should be guaranteed the full sale price of the bike if it gets binned. Of course the insurance company then goes after the person who caused the damage for the full value of the pay out.....

Indeed, paid quite a bit more.

Anyway, I agree with what you say if they are a bike shop, they must sell bikes, sometimes it will present risks.

I would let carver test ride a bike, I dont belive he is that stupid or noob to stun the bike out of the dealer shop and 12 oclock it with the first wheele.
In any other case, anyone could crash a bike while test riding, so why just not wrap them in the bubble wrap and put a sign "pay first, ride later!"

[MentalFacility]

Sorry, not the sort of answer carver wanted to hear.

Try - "fuckin' smash 'em bro."

I dont like lame stunts too, but comon, carver doesn't deserve the hate he gets on this forum.

I just dont hate him, that's all.

[jrandom]

carver doesn't deserve the hate he gets on this forum.

Nonsense. He deserves every bit of it and more.

In fact, he laps it up, and dangles more bait whenever possible.

[FJRider]

Anyway, I agree with what you say if they are a bike shop, they must sell bikes, sometimes it will present risks.

I would let carver test ride a bike, I dont belive he is that stupid or noob to stun the bike out of the dealer shop and 12 oclock it with the first wheele.
In any other case, anyone could crash a bike while test riding, so why just not wrap them in the bubble wrap and put a sign "pay first, ride later!"

It is NOT up to any on site to make the decision to let him (or not) test ride ANYTHING... The SALES manager has that FINAL say... the RISKS are his.

[insane1]

carver may be because they do know your rep on kb and you tend to be a dick most of the time.

[jrandom]

carver may be because they do know your rep on kb and you tend to be a dick most of the time.

Nope, that couldn't possibly be the case.

I reckon it's because he's black.

[carver]

So the OTHER 32 crashes WEREN'T your fault...???
THRASHED A FEW... but didn't crash...
To sell bikes, you need to have saleable bikes, AFTER the test ride...
If it looks like shit... smells like shit...
and untill you hand over the folding stuff...you're not. And I would say they KNOW you're not even a POTENTIAL customer...if you were, I dont think they would mind the loss anyway....

32 crashes? haha, no way!
fuck handing over 10k before testing a bike, boyd will throw me the keys to 17k bikes without any questions, and they have seen me wheelie and ride alot!


I dont like lame stunts too, but comon, carver doesn't deserve the hate he gets on this forum.

I just dont hate him, that's all.

its part of being on here, people dont like different opinions from the norm and cant accept it.


Nonsense. He deserves every bit of it and more.

In fact, he laps it up, and dangles more bait whenever possible.

i would be lying if i said it aint fun! fuck all you pussies!


carver may be because they do know your rep on kb and you tend to be a dick most of the time.

bit like you in real life-oh, when you going to beat me up?still got ya PM!


Nope, that couldn't possibly be the case.

I reckon it's because he's black.

could be dressing black, like gangsta styles, maybe asking for chrome wheels gave me away

[Forest]

If you're able to pay for the bike in cash, bring it along with you and leave it as a security deposit.

[sinfull]

Nonsense. He deserves every bit of it and more.

In fact, he laps it up, and dangles more bait whenever possible.
Exactly what i read into half the posts i read from the guy !
So far what i've SEEN aint half as bad as we did as youngstas


carver may be because they do know your rep on kb and you tend to be a dick most of the time.
This is just the post i'd expect to see on a carver thread ! Then i guess he expects them too !


If you're able to pay for the bike in cash, bring it along with you and leave it as a security deposit.

Leave it in the bank, if anyone refused to let me test ride a bike cause of a little rep i'd buy elsewhere !

If ya into a hours flight carva, there's a triumph down here going for around the mark your talking !
Fully insured if yr fully licenced (all i'd wanna see)
If ya don't buy, you'd sure as hell catch the flight home with a good hangover anyway lol

[insane1]

carver you like to be a little prick most of the time, but one day if you make it to my age if your lucky you might just grow up a bit and for beating you up nah your not really worth the effort.

[toebug]

hmmm...your a bit far away, plus this one was at a good price with good kms...
they could have just said no....instead of trying to pussyfoot around the issue.

how do you know if i have the coin?

Too far away? Tauranga is less than an hour from Hamilton? Unless your riding a scooter of course!

[pritch]

There was a local bike shop hereabout where I know the staff were instructed that there were some people who were not to be permitted a test ride under any circumstances. As someone already suggested, their reputations had preceeded them.

Put yourself in the position of the shop owner, how would you feel about a letting a guy with a reputation for being something of a nutter on bikes or for being hard on machinery, or whatever, ride your bike?

OK, there may be one or two guys in the area who won't buy a bike off your shop but what price peace of mind?

[dino3310]

what about one of these
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=73773

[Big Dave]

Check out a Speed Triple too. Bit of you I reckon.

[Tank]

I bet they simply recon that its too much bike for you.:girlfight:

Ask for a ride on a GN250 and see if they say yes.

[MarkH]

Too far away? Tauranga is less than an hour from Hamilton? Unless your riding a scooter of course!

Haha - I picked up my scooter from Mt Maunganui and rode it back to Auckland. A couple hours of ridin' ain't no big thing!

I didn't have a problem not bothering to take it for a test ride, already rode one the same model earlier in the week. The ride back was good - didn't even go over the ton or anything :innocent:.

[ManDownUnder]

but it begs the question...
do you want to sell bikes?


No - it begs the question - do you let someone test ride a bike if you think there's a reasonable chance they're going to thrash or trash it. It's a basic commercial tenet. They're there to make money and if (in THEIR judgement) you're more likely to cost them than bring them money then the answer shall be "no".

"Sure I ride them hard" = tire wear + increased risk of binning... the $$$ are starting to stack up against you. Add your online persona, and despite how nice you are in real life... that shit you sling just came back. Don't give me the "oh well it's their loss" line either. It's obviously a loss to you too - or you wouldn't bother test riding it.

[Crazy Steve]

i went in there to look at the 01 FZ1, and Campbell Hicks, the part owner says he cant even get the keys till his salesman is back, then somehow gets the keys moments later when i ask about the K's on it!
when i ask for a test ride, there is no chance, but when i mention paying cash he is interested again, but i have to come back!its 4pm, a hour before closing time!

can anyone sell me a decent naked sportsbike?
10k ish.....

cause waikato yamaha cant!

Thats funny because they wouldn't let me test ride there bikes either..........

So I went and brought three new Suzuki's from road and sport $35k ish and one new Kawasaki from Mt Eden $10k ish...And four more bikes privatley $25k ish..In the last two years and since they refused me that test ride..:(

Oh well i guess there loss.....4 New bikes and 4 used ones they didnt sell ! ! ! ! And $70k of buso they could of had off me if they treated me right the 1st time...

Makes you wonder why they bother wasting there money on advertising to get new customers....When they dont know how to treat the ones they already have right 1st...

Colemans are the same to me, I will buy a New Busa today but demand an overnighter before I release $22k.....

My Local Suzuki dealer, Will let me out in there Demo Suzuki Swift for the whole weekend....(And I didnt even have to ask, It was offered)

Crazy Steve

[jrandom]

Thats funny because they wouldn't let me test ride there bikes either..........

But you is crazy, Crazy Steve!

[Crazy Steve]

But you is crazy, Crazy Steve!

Yeah yeah,

But $$$$$$$$$$$$ in the bank, and a bad habit of buying Motorbikes...

No where as bad as Chris but....

Crazy Steve

[jrandom]

No where as bad as Chris but...

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[McJim]

<img src="http://i36.tinypic.com/2zefipk.jpg"/>

Wotchu talkin' 'bout Willis?

[jrandom]

Wotchu talkin' 'bout Willis?

Humpty Dumpty rode to the mall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Decided that putting Dumpty's bike back together again would cost a bit much
So they stuck it up on TardMe with a $1 reserve.

:doobey:

[ZeroIndex]

I think the simple fact is that sure, Carver may ride like a mental patient at times, but the thing is: He has a full license and he has funding for any bike he may set his eyes on. 26 bikes in only a couple of years (non-financed as far as I know) surely says he can afford it.

Just like Crazy Steve put forward: Bike shops are losing business before they even get it for the simple reason that they think, oh wait... this person isn't what we're looking for in a client. If they wanna be like that, they should go work in a f**king real estate business selling mansions or Rolls Royce dealership or something.

I'm not saying every person that wants to test ride a bike can cough up the coinage to pay for it, but benefit of the doubt: If they sign the form that says they will pay for the excess should anything go wrong, what's the problem?

[carver]

Exactly what i read into half the posts i read from the guy !
So far what i've SEEN aint half as bad as we did as youngstas


This is just the post i'd expect to see on a carver thread ! Then i guess he expects them too !



Leave it in the bank, if anyone refused to let me test ride a bike cause of a little rep i'd buy elsewhere !

If ya into a hours flight carva, there's a triumph down here going for around the mark your talking !
Fully insured if yr fully licenced (all i'd wanna see)
If ya don't buy, you'd sure as hell catch the flight home with a good hangover anyway lol

haha, nice, il PM ya for details dude!
i agree with you, i dont need to kiss ass to buy a bike, i want a salesman to try to sell me a bike


carver you like to be a little prick most of the time, but one day if you make it to my age if your lucky you might just grow up a bit and for beating you up nah your not really worth the effort.

really, but you said you would, and il hold you to that.
il make it worth that effort


Thats funny because they wouldn't let me test ride there bikes either..........

So I went and brought three new Suzuki's from road and sport $35k ish and one new Kawasaki from Mt Eden $10k ish...And four more bikes privatley $25k ish..In the last two years and since they refused me that test ride..:(

Oh well i guess there loss.....4 New bikes and 4 used ones they didnt sell ! ! ! ! And $70k of buso they could of had off me if they treated me right the 1st time...

Makes you wonder why they bother wasting there money on advertising to get new customers....When they dont know how to treat the ones they already have right 1st...

Colemans are the same to me, I will buy a New Busa today but demand an overnighter before I release $22k.....

My Local Suzuki dealer, Will let me out in there Demo Suzuki Swift for the whole weekend....(And I didnt even have to ask, It was offered)

Crazy Steve

there ya go, stupid eh, i did roll up there on the VTR...
im like you, 33 bikes in ten years, why not try sell me one, stupid eh....


I think the simple fact is that sure, Carver may ride like a mental patient at times, but the thing is: He has a full license and he has funding for any bike he may set his eyes on. 26 bikes in only a couple of years (non-financed as far as I know) surely says he can afford it.

Just like Crazy Steve put forward: Bike shops are losing business before they even get it for the simple reason that they think, oh wait... this person isn't what we're looking for in a client. If they wanna be like that, they should go work in a f**king real estate business selling mansions or Rolls Royce dealership or something.

I'm not saying every person that wants to test ride a bike can cough up the coinage to pay for it, but benefit of the doubt: If they sign the form that says they will pay for the excess should anything go wrong, what's the problem?

exactly, how did you find them to deal with?
they just wanted your money?

[The Pastor]

Carver just face up to the facts. Your a dick.

[carver]

Carver just face up to the facts. Your a dick.

facts...i dont see no facts

[The Pastor]

facts...i dont see no facts
There is a reason ur mumma droped you when you were born and it wasnt becasue you were beautiful!

[homer]

so they stock bikes to clean them and keep them?

of course my reputation proceeds me, but i have brought new bikes off them before, but your fucking dreaming if il buy a 10k bike without riding it first.

dont know what your worried about , if you want the bike you will already know what its going to do so just buy it .
my last 3 bikes now all brought on spec no rides till id seen and had the key.
last 2 all come from north island down to me .

[carver]

dont know what your worried about , if you want the bike you will already know what its going to do so just buy it .
my last 3 bikes now all brought on spec no rides till id seen and had the key.
last 2 all come from north island down to me .

done that before, but when its right in front of me, i want to ride it to see if it is straight, and if its good enough

[homer]

done that before, but when its right in front of me, i want to ride it to see if it is straight, and if its good enough

fair coment to . i try to sound it out best first , see if the person sounds streight up or not .
from what you said in this thread about the fella you were talking to , if it was me i wouldnt buy from them at all .

[carver]

fair coment to . i try to sound it out best first , see if the person sounds streight up or not .
from what you said in this thread about the fella you were talking to , if it was me i wouldnt buy from them at all .

yeah, i wont.

if they wont sell to me, i wont buy from them.

[Kruzah]

Its only coz you ride like a twat. And everyone knows it. I have nothing against riding like a twat, but do it on bikes that you own. I wouldn't test-ride someone elses property and dick around on it. Ive bought bikes without test-rides. If your serious, ask them to get someone to follow you. And dont ride like a dick.








Just throwin it out there

[Campbell Hicks]

Well Carver that isn't exactly what happened. I did not say I didn't have the keys. I said I couldn't let you out on it as Dave my salesman was away. Jason and Dave run the sales department. They decide who rides them not me. I told you you can come back the next day to try it when Dave is here.

We have to be careful who we let test bikes. If one gets wrecked or stolen our insurance company put up our premiums or reject us completely. Not to say this would happen with you.

Dave is happy to ride beside you when you test ride a bike. I was here on my own so could not leave the shop. I remember many years ago, I think it was Hybrows motorcycles, had a OWo1 stolen in a test ride and it was worth $50,000 and it put him in financial trouble. Would you give me $10k cash to try for half an hour?

Also I have seen your comments (tests?) on bikes you have taken on demo and I would be very careful to let you take something if you are going to break the law and perform dangerous manoeuvres. Demos are for people genuinely going to buy it not joy riders. Most of the time it is imposible to tell the difference. When you have $100s of thousands of dollars at risk i'd like to see what your risk levels are!

Thanks Campbell

[Boob Johnson]

Welcome to Kiwibiker forums Campbell.




Thought this lil clip was fitting, enjoy :Punk:



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[carver]

Well Carver that isn't exactly what happened. I did not say I didn't have the keys. I said I couldn't let you out on it as Dave my salesman was away. Jason and Dave run the sales department. They decide who rides them not me. I told you you can come back the next day to try it when Dave is here.

We have to be careful who we let test bikes. If one gets wrecked or stolen our insurance company put up our premiums or reject us completely. Not to say this would happen with you.

Dave is happy to ride beside you when you test ride a bike. I was here on my own so could not leave the shop. I remember many years ago, I think it was Hybrows motorcycles, had a OWo1 stolen in a test ride and it was worth $50,000 and it put him in financial trouble. Would you give me $10k cash to try for half an hour?

Also I have seen your comments (tests?) on bikes you have taken on demo and I would be very careful to let you take something if you are going to break the law and perform dangerous manoeuvres. Demos are for people genuinely going to buy it not joy riders. Most of the time it is imposible to tell the difference. When you have $100s of thousands of dollars at risk i'd like to see what your risk levels are!

Thanks Campbell

sweet as dude....
i only wanted the keys to see what k's were on it anyhow...but you said you could not do anything tilll dave was back.
i am far too well known to steal a bike, i have even brought a new bike off you guys before!
if im going to do 20,000k + on a bike it has to do what i want it to.
they are only dangerous if you dont know what your doing, and only illegal if you get caught.
if i did happen to crash it i could cough up the full amount as fast as a trip to the bank.
boyds have a nice Z1000 on offer at the mo, all modded up, but thanks for your time.

crazy steve wrote something you should read

[Wingnut]

sweet as dude....
i only wanted the keys to see what k's were on it anyhow...but you said you could not do anything tilll dave was back.
i am far too well known to steal a bike, i have even brought a new bike off you guys before!
if im going to do 20,000k + on a bike it has to do what i want it to.
they are only dangerous if you dont know what your doing, and only illegal if you get caught.
if i did happen to crash it i could cough up the full amount as fast as a trip to the bank.
boyds have a nice Z1000 on offer at the mo, all modded up, but thanks for your time.

crazy steve wrote something you should read

Shit you changed your tune quickly!!!!!!!!!!!:sweatdrop

[carver]

Shit you changed your tune quickly!!!!!!!!!!!:sweatdrop

no reason we cant sort this out as mature adults

[aahsv]

Although i'm in Auckland, I've recently bought my bike from Waikato Yamaha, by email, No need for test ride, never ridden it, did my research from mag reviews. Phoned several Yamaha dealers in Auckland but finally found the service and answers I needed from Jason over the phone. Yesterday emailed Jason with query, he's away but within 30mins, got email from Campbell, phone call from Dave, and email response from Yamaha head office - these guys know about service and know their business.
my 2c.
:niceone:

[DMNTD]

no reason we cant sort this out as mature adults

But that indicates that there will be more than one adult involved :apint:

[carver]

But that indicates that there will be more than one adult involved :apint:

dude, he aint that bad to deal with...no need to rip into him!

when buying used, i always try and test ride first!

[Zapf]

interesting read... I just took a XT660 out for a test ride today from them. Sounds like a once off expereience...

[s8306]

yeah, i wont.

if they wont sell to me, i wont buy from them.

Thats the funniest quote i,ve read from you so far.Outstanding.:clap:

[Wingnut]

Thats the funniest quote i,ve read from you so far.Outstanding.:clap:

Its those kinda quotes that will stick with ya for the duration!