Washed out Rnd4

[WarrenW]

Well what a day!
Turned up and saw it was dry enuf for slicks and went out in the scrub session to test the new motor - running a bit rich. Pulls well out of corners.
Some pillack was doing wheelies down the straights - hey err - scrub sessions are needed for BOTH tyres aren't they?

Day turns slowly pear shaped from here. Weather closes in and the event is deemed wet. Just about immediately the Post Classics are called up - what happened to the 20 minutes to change tyres guys? Left dumbfounded and no way to qualify!

As post classics are called the heavens open up. Buckets down and drowns the track. Event called off (I feel a bit early maybe?) No points for anyone - yeah, that's about the only consolation for the day. I ended up paying bucket loads of $'s for 2 laps at scrus speeds - nice (sarcastically).

Really depressed now as the bike dropped a valve in the first lap of the last meeting. Total distance covered in 2 events just over 20Km. Costs for 2 meetings equivalent to $10 to $12 per k. Hourly rate - hmmm lets see Approx $960 per hour. How the heck can anyone afford to continue to race with these costs? Let alone the cost of the replacement engine / repairs to the old one. That figure is likely to be 3 time that at least.

I need a sponsor.!!!!

Anyhow - to those that had mishaps - and there were a few, sorry to hear that and hopefully not too much damage done.

Take care until next time and hopefully the weather will play ball this time.

[scracha]

Bummer of a weekend. Oh well...flight back up tomorrow so I'm as well getting very drunk in Wellywood.

[johan]

I packed up and left early, just after the first supersport race. Did they stop the racing or kept going?

[Nasty]

I packed up and left early, just after the first supersport race. Did they stop the racing or kept going?


The meeting was called off at 1 pm .... half an hour after the heavy rain stopped and just in time for at least two parts of the track to be completely submerged under water.

[speights_bud]

I raced in streetstock and we got our first race in then i believe there was only one other race that was completed?

[kiwifruit]

The final race, F2, was a great race to watch :niceone:

[speights_bud]

Sounds like Glen Skachill did pretty well on the RS250:scooter::wari:

Had an errr eventful little meeting myself,... its about time somebody sorted the tyres allowed to run in streetstock, Vic club say they use MNZ rules, and then Vic club say that they don't allow streetstock to run wets, which is clearly allowed by the MNZ rules as current. considering all the past debates they need to sort it out across the class nationally, same applies as to whether slicks can be used or not

[Speedsport]

Well done to you all for racing in the wet.
Some pics for you check out. http://www.sportspix.co.nz

[Deano]

The final race, F2, was a great race to watch :niceone:

I'm real glad that someone enjoyed it. :pinch:

[Kickaha]

its about time somebody sorted the tyres allowed to run in streetstock, Vic club say they use MNZ rules, and then Vic club say that they don't allow streetstock to run wets, which is clearly allowed by the MNZ rules as current.

I think Vic club would have to abide by MNZ rules unless they publish it as supplementary regulation before the event


considering all the past debates they need to sort it out across the class nationally, same applies as to whether slicks can be used or not

My understanding last time slicks was discussed was they are eligible to be used so long as they are the correct size for the standard rims

[quallman1234]

It was mint as :).

[Teambwr47]

Inspired choice not to go then.......

Had planned to do Pukekohe on Friday morning and then drive down in the afternoon, even packed the sleeping bag in the car.

When I checked the forecast it showed rain and having never seen the place before I just didn't fancy racing on a new track in the wet with no practice.....didn't realise just how wet it would actually turn out to be though. We made the decision to have the whole day at Pukekohe and get a set up for later in the year.

Hope all the faller's from race 2 are ok....?

[speights_bud]

I think Vic club would have to abide by MNZ rules unless they publish it as supplementary regulation before the event



My understanding last time slicks was discussed was they are eligible to be used so long as they are the correct size for the standard rims

Yeap, this is what im talking about, it would appear that we all have different understandings on the rules, and its just too confusing and 'grey'.

i was told by MNZ (produced the paperwork to back it up this morning) that i could run wet tires provided they met the rim specs. it's alot of money to buy wets then find out today we're not allowed to run them. If we all must run highway approved tires, ie no slick, no wet, then so be it, but the rules need to be clarified across the board for all clubs nationwide? does this sound reasonable? i would then expect that the MNZ steward would enforce the 'nationwide' rules as such

then there's the issue of safety in the wet i guess

[speights_bud]

should we flood the track more regularly and race jet ski's during winter instead?:wacko:

http://www.motorsport.sportspics.co.nz/main.php?g2_itemId=9616

[roadracingoldfart]

Some pillack was doing wheelies down the straights - hey err - scrub sessions are needed for BOTH tyres aren't they?

If we could all wheelie like that dude we could all do it and make it into a sport that stands alone on its own merit. Anyhow , he may have been saving the front full wet till it was really wet :shit:

As post classics are called the heavens open up. Buckets down and drowns the track. Event called off (I feel a bit early maybe?) No points for anyone - yeah, that's about the only consolation for the day. I ended up paying bucket loads of $'s for 2 laps at scrus speeds - nice (sarcastically).

Seriously Warren , did you go and look at the track at all ??? it was so flooded it was just a puddle several inches deep from coke through to the esses. No amount of waiting was going to make it any better, on a safety issue the option was zero and thats quite clear.

Really depressed now as the bike dropped a valve in the first lap of the last meeting. Total distance covered in 2 events just over 20Km. Costs for 2 meetings equivalent to $10 to $12 per k. Hourly rate - hmmm lets see Approx $960 per hour. How the heck can anyone afford to continue to race with these costs? Let alone the cost of the replacement engine / repairs to the old one. That figure is likely to be 3 time that at least.

You didntr start racing for the cheapness did you ?
Get a Honda and the costs will plummet compared to the Kawasaki mate :laugh:

I need a sponsor.!!!!

So start writing letters and asking, i did and got what it takes to make a differance. Its a no brainer really .


Take care until next time and hopefully the weather will play ball this time.

Its still going to be part of the "winter series "then as well so pack ya rain gear.


Cheers Paul.

[Ivan]

Well done to you all for racing in the wet.
Some pics for you check out. http://www.sportspix.co.nz

cool pics is that all of em?
good on you for even being out there

[wharfy]

I got a f%&kn puncture in qualifying and no race :-( Oh well round 5 eh....

[speights_bud]

I got a f%&kn puncture in qualifying and no race :-( Oh well round 5 eh....

Thats interesting... i got back in after the first streetstock race and found short pieces of wire, (like what you'd find in a radial tyre) stuck into by treadblocks :confused:

[Speedsport]

cool pics is that all of em?
good on you for even being out there

NO 432 More going up now from Glenn.

[Ivan]

NO 432 More going up now from Glenn.

sweet as thats alot of pictures

[chanceyy]

Thats interesting... i got back in after the first streetstock race and found short pieces of wire, (like what you'd find in a radial tyre) stuck into by treadblocks :confused:

thats interesting as we did a drive around the track to check for rubbish & debris & quite a bit of rubber was out there .. could it have come from that ??

[CHOPPA]

Its interesting to hear about a few guys getting punctures! I also got a flat rear tyre in my race but i havnt yet checked why it went flat.....

[Her_C4]

thats interesting as we did a drive around the track to check for rubbish & debris & quite a bit of rubber was out there .. could it have come from that ??

Wouldn't it come from the bikes wishing through the water and washing up bits of glass and rubbish from the side of the track between checks? Thatr water was preety deep eh?:wari:

[chanceyy]

Wouldn't it come from the bikes wishing through the water and washing up bits of glass and rubbish from the side of the track between checks? Thatr water was preety deep eh?:wari:

Interesting point .. perhaps .. there sure was a heap of water pushed across the track ...

[Nasty]

Interesting point .. perhaps .. there sure was a heap of water pushed across the track ...


and my truck!!

[chanceyy]

and my truck!!

:innocent: :whistle: :Oops:

[cowboyz]

and my truck!!

ummmm errr ummm errr. yeah. we did have towels and tried to keep the water out. I remember thinking at one stage I should have had some flippers out there.

As for the OP. I understand the frustration but thats racing. The event has become so popular it is difficult to maintain the schedule as it is without the time delays of the rain. I think the right calls were made on the day. The racing that did take place was starting to look like an afternoon pootle cause of the unpredictablility of the water on the track. Several times I was wincing at the bikes going through turn 2 and I was sitting in a truck on the sideline. Big ups for those who were giving it a go and hoping for a little fine weather next time round.

[chanceyy]

ummmm errr ummm errr. yeah. we did have towels and tried to keep the water out. I remember thinking at one stage I should have had some flippers out there.



well apparently Kari took the truck out for a wee drive after we left :whistle: so its not how wet we got it :laugh:

[Nasty]

well apparently Kari took the truck out for a wee drive after we left :whistle: so its not how wet we got it :laugh:


:innocent: :whistle: :Oops:

hehehe

[CHOPPA]

Can anyone tell me if the points for the races that were completed will be counted? and if not why not?

[Nasty]

Can anyone tell me if the points for the races that were completed will be counted? and if not why not?

Take that up with Vic Club .. write to race@vicclub.co.nz

They are the ones who are running the races, therefore any discussions on them should be directed with them, not on KB, which most of the committee are not on here. Also any decision should posted on their website once they are made.

[Sketchy_Racer]

So I take it who ever makes the call will put up a public post on the vic club website outlinging wether or not the points will be counted or not and a reason why? No point emailing back one person then leaving the rest in the dark eh?

On another note, I initially thought that the canceling was a bit premature, but what you couldnt see from pit lane looking to the track was the fucken LAKES that were on the track. After seeing them, it was obvious that there was no possible way that anyone could race on the track at all. There was no question about it at all.

Great work VMCC :)

[Nasty]

So I take it who ever makes the call will put up a public post on the vic club website outlinging wether or not the points will be counted or not and a reason why? No point emailing back one person then leaving the rest in the dark eh?

On another note, I initially thought that the canceling was a bit premature, but what you couldnt see from pit lane looking to the track was the fucken LAKES that were on the track. After seeing them, it was obvious that there was no possible way that anyone could race on the track at all. There was no question about it at all.

Great work VMCC :)

I will talk to the committee, but it will be posted on the Vic site, and everyone can check there for the decision.

Was interesting looking from the commentators room at the track I identified three seperate instances where there was no track showing at all.

[Billy]

Yeap, this is what im talking about, it would appear that we all have different understandings on the rules, and its just too confusing and 'grey'.

i was told by MNZ (produced the paperwork to back it up this morning) that i could run wet tires provided they met the rim specs. it's alot of money to buy wets then find out today we're not allowed to run them. If we all must run highway approved tires, ie no slick, no wet, then so be it, but the rules need to be clarified across the board for all clubs nationwide? does this sound reasonable? i would then expect that the MNZ steward would enforce the 'nationwide' rules as such

then there's the issue of safety in the wet i guess

NO,Theres no grey area at all.Vic club supplementary regs supplied with the original entry form clearly state Dot approved tyres only,Furthermore there was a special riders breif held immediately after the main breifing for ALL streetstock riders so the MNZ steward and Mel Jackson could inform all those riders involved that wets wre not allowed in streetstock.NO EXCEPTIONS.If you werent at the breifing you had no right to be out on the track

[Clivoris]

I'm not sure why but there will not be any points awarded for round 4. As has been suggested e-mail the club for an explanation from the decision makers, but something will go up on the site.
With regard to the street stock tyres my understanding is that the rules regarding wets were apparently changed by MNZ and the steward was informed on friday.

[speights_bud]

All i can say in regards to streetstock tires is that i e-mailed vic club, vic club said to e-mail MNZ as they use MNZ's rules, so i e-mailed MNZ, got no replies for about 2-3 weeks and after sending more e-mails to mnz i finally recieved a response. The person who sent me the e-mail from MNZ stated that:

"PLEASE READ RULE 22-12-10
ITEM 1 through to 7 this should clarify the rule for you, providing that
the tyre will fit the rim in accordance to the manufactures spec's."

However as it turns out the person at MNZ was not in any position to give the advise that they did.

So as the MNZ official i spoke to on the phone during the discussions at Rnd4 said to me that there has been a big case of miscommunication on MNZ's behalf, and i had been misinformed.

Admittedly i wasn't at the 'streetstock' briefing, no excuse there, but how are streetstock riders supposed to complete the extra briefing and then get to their bikes for the scrub in session, when all the other riders are leaving the dummy grid as the extra briefing finishes? perhaps the streetstock briefing should occur before the main riders briefing?

Personally i'd like to see the rules standardized between all the clubs.

What's done is done now, and i'll leave it at that.

[limbimtimwim]

On another note, I initially thought that the canceling was a bit premature, but what you couldnt see from pit lane looking to the track was the fucken LAKES that were on the track. After seeing them, it was obvious that there was no possible way that anyone could race on the track at all. There was no question about it at all.The water on turn two appeared to at least cover the sidewalls of the tyres on the Nissan Patrol out there doing it's battleship impression.

Check this: http://www.motorsport.sportspics.co.nz/main.php?g2_itemId=9550

Irk!!

[Toast]

The water on turn two appeared to at least cover the sidewalls of the tyres on the Nissan Patrol out there doing it's battleship impression.

Check this: http://www.motorsport.sportspics.co.nz/main.php?g2_itemId=9550

Irk!!

Ah, that's the pic I was lookin' for!! Saw it happen from behind. Farkn impressive bin!! Looked even better before he went down, I swear there were two distinct sprays of water, one from each wheel. Very cool!

[CHOPPA]

Just checked the website, no points will be allocated for the races that run... :shutup:

[svs]

I put that note up. somewhat a shame for me as i got more points in that race than i have so far this season! but that's racing. there were only 2 races run and things like the grant russell points go across many classes.

i went for a drive round the track at about 2pm. The entire track was under water at turns 2 and across the straight coming out the hairpin. There was no way that it was going to drain away in any sort of reasonable time.

[CHOPPA]

I put that note up. somewhat a shame for me as i got more points in that race than i have so far this season! but that's racing. there were only 2 races run and things like the grant russell points go across many classes.

i went for a drive round the track at about 2pm. The entire track was under water at turns 2 and across the straight coming out the hairpin. There was no way that it was going to drain away in any sort of reasonable time.

Na def a good idea, i could see the puddles from the pits! Sweet thats a better explaination thanks! I didnt know anything about the grant russel points? but yeah that would be unfair to the other riders that didnt even get a race!

[Str8 Jacket]

Check this: http://www.motorsport.sportspics.co.nz/main.php?g2_itemId=9550

Irk!!

Hey, LBTW, that bike in the photo looks kinda familiar, dont you think?....

[driftn]

Some pillack was doing wheelies down the straights - hey err - scrub sessions are needed for BOTH tyres aren't they?


Wheelies are neither big nor clever:Police:

[worm13]

Some pillack was doing wheelies down the straights - hey err - scrub sessions are needed for BOTH tyres aren't they?


Wheelies are neither big nor clever:Police:

Sure were at one stage 2 riders next to each other, left me wondering on what could happen if that went tits up, as it was with the races been cut to 4 laps I feel that guys going out and doing wheelies and increasing the chances of the crash crew having to come out and dust up a broken bike or 2 therefore having the possabilty of having our 4 lap races dropped to 3 laps.
Im not agasint wheelies but there is a place and time for them and scrub sessions arent the time for them

[Tony.OK]

Sure were at one stage 2 riders next to each other, left me wondering on what could happen if that went tits up, as it was with the races been cut to 4 laps I feel that guys going out and doing wheelies and increasing the chances of the crash crew having to come out and dust up a broken bike or 2 therefore having the possabilty of having our 4 lap races dropped to 3 laps.
Im not agasint wheelies but there is a place and time for them and scrub sessions arent the time for them

Ohhhhhh paaaaah leeeaze

Better leave them to on public roads then huh:whistle:

[Frenchy]

Some pillack was doing wheelies down the straights - hey err - scrub sessions are needed for BOTH tyres aren't they?


Wheelies are neither big nor clever:Police:

Spoken like a true ridder that can't wheelle!! ;)


Sure were at one stage 2 riders next to each other, left me wondering on what could happen if that went tits up, as it was with the races been cut to 4 laps I feel that guys going out and doing wheelies and increasing the chances of the crash crew having to come out and dust up a broken bike or 2 therefore having the possabilty of having our 4 lap races dropped to 3 laps.
Im not agasint wheelies but there is a place and time for them and scrub sessions arent the time for them

Would you like a tissue? :crybaby:

[CHOPPA]

atleast you got something for ya money bro!

[Tony.OK]

Spoken like a true ridder that can't wheelle!! ;)



Would you like a tissue? :crybaby:

Ohhh so it was you!!, you are just a hooligan sir:angry2:
If I hadn't been trying to do one as good as you I'd be fuming at the sheer stupidity of it all too:yes:

:bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh:

[WarrenW]

I freely admit I cannot pull wheelies at all. I don't even want too !! I am out there to race and the scrub session is NOT a showoff, I can pull wheelies session. I am sure the club will clamp down on this as it is an unsafe pratice and not to be necouraged when others out there are being responsible and using the session for what it's intended purpose is and not just a testosterone rush to the little brains some riders obviously have. Take that!

[roadracingoldfart]

I freely admit I cannot pull wheelies at all. I don't even want too !! I am out there to race and the scrub session is NOT a showoff, I can pull wheelies session. I am sure the club will clamp down on this as it is an unsafe pratice and not to be necouraged when others out there are being responsible and using the session for what it's intended purpose is and not just a testosterone rush to the little brains some riders obviously have. Take that!

I would like to ask a question , . . . were all the bikes out in the scrub session really scrubbing tyres or testing suspender setup ??

If they were all out there doing these things i find it good that almost the whole fuckin field was keen enough about there improvement mods done since last round to have to test them.
Extra track time is not gained by doing a scrub session, do a test day and thrash the wallet, so if you dont have a factor to test stay in the pits and leave the scrub time to the people that do genuinly need to perform testing and scrubbing of tyres.

We all ride in different styles so we all have to ride the way we are comfy and secure. If for EG; we are used to passing out of corners with the front wheel in the air then we have to set the bike up for that method :eek5:

Any club clampdown should be aimed at the riders that go out in scrub for a bit of extra track time and just to play, thats dangerous, and a waste of time.
Pulling a wheelie is not really dangerous and as it must have ben in front of you (as you saw it happen it cant be behind) it was not a problem to you. There was a crash last year beween 2 riders on Concourse and that was dangerous and stupid , the price was paid by both riders but it was a control issue that caused it and not the wheelie itself.

Paul.

[CHOPPA]

I would like to ask a question , . . . were all the bikes out in the scrub session really scrubbing tyres or testing suspender setup ??

If they were all out there doing these things i find it good that almost the whole fuckin field was keen enough about there improvement mods done since last round to have to test them.
Extra track time is not gained by doing a scrub session, do a test day and thrash the wallet, so if you dont have a factor to test stay in the pits and leave the scrub time to the people that do genuinly need to perform testing and scrubbing of tyres.

We all ride in different styles so we all have to ride the way we are comfy and secure. If for EG; we are used to passing out of corners with the front wheel in the air then we have to set the bike up for that method :eek5:

Any club clampdown should be aimed at the riders that go out in scrub for a bit of extra track time and just to play, thats dangerous, and a waste of time.
Pulling a wheelie is not really dangerous and as it must have ben in front of you (as you saw it happen it cant be behind) it was not a problem to you. There was a crash last year beween 2 riders on Concourse and that was dangerous and stupid , the price was paid by both riders but it was a control issue that caused it and not the wheelie itself.

Paul.

I was out there cause i had never riden the new track and 4 laps of practice /qualifying just dont cut it!

[Ivan]

Im with Paul on this one,


SCRUB is for SCRUB not track time.

All of us had 4 laps in qualifying to learn the circuit,

Bring back the old VMCC days I say

No scrub session at all

You mest member the 04/05 season Paul

[Tony.OK]

Well this has gotten very serious hasn't it?
Ok then some different thoughts............a wheelie on a straight is considered dangerous and people going out on slicks on an obviuosly damp track trying to learn lines at pace isn't? Or people out there that obviously can't see with fogged up visors?
These are club events that are supposed to be fun aren't they?
I'm surprised that there isn't more bitching about the lack of laps because of the new motard rules.

Can't we all just enjoy the day out? And won't some one please think about the children:eek:

Roll on Round 5

[Frenchy]

there is just no pleasing some people!! i went out to see what the new part of the track looked like as i'd never been on it before ever!! and like chopper said 4 laps don't really cut it. if there was a test day on the friday i would of happily done that and never scrubbed in. didn't realize there were some many people worried about getting hurt! HELLOW YOUR RACING MOTOR BIKES!! not knittig :angry2: and for the record i've fallen off lots more racing then doing wheeles and i've done a lot more shows then race meets!!

[Ivan]

fair enough going out to learn track i guess but are you learning the circuit all that well with the front whell in the air?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Don't need the front wheel on the ground to learn a striaght. Not everyone needs practice riding in a straight line!

[svr]

1. Wheelies are extremely cool, and very motorbikish (?). Something very sad about car races on the cool-down lap - the winner can't do anything.

2. Wheelies are f..ing dangerous on the racing line. Slipstreaming is a (dangerous) part of the racing game and the worst thing a rider can do is slow down (e.g. to do a wheelie coming out of a corner) anytime on the racing line.

So, time and a place I guess.

[Deano]

I don't give a rats arse about wheelies during scrub in - if you know what you're doing go ahead. Just don't take me out or my attitude would be somewhat different.

Frenchy and Driftn are two blokes I trust to be around when their front is in the air.

Just my opinion.

[roadracingoldfart]

I don't give a rats arse about wheelies during scrub in - if you know what you're doing go ahead. Just don't take me out or my attitude would be somewhat different.

Frenchy and Driftn are two blokes I trust to be around when their front is in the air.

Just my opinion.

Damm straight mate, my opinion too ....

[Sketchy_Racer]

I don't give a rats arse about wheelies during scrub in - if you know what you're doing go ahead. Just don't take me out or my attitude would be somewhat different.

Frenchy and Driftn are two blokes I trust to be around when their front is in the air.

Just my opinion.

I third that. :2guns:

[Ivan]

Don't need the front wheel on the ground to learn a striaght. Not everyone needs practice riding in a straight line!


I guess but some people see it differntly.
And I dont know what you mean about practice in a straight line lol