John Hapeta murder accused?

[ekspatriat]

Anyone know their names ?

[Swoop]

Suppression was not applied for in court, however the judge banned publication on "internet news sites". (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10528866)

It might be better to watch the news on tv.

Posting the names here could get the site into trouble, so please refrain from doing so until the judge says otherwise.

[MadDuck]

Riiiggghhhtttt.....KB is a "news" site.

[Swoop]

Riiiggghhhtttt.....KB is a "news" site.
Judge-bloke doesn't want it on the internet...
Unfortunately he has authored a book on the issues of interdweeb and the law (a textbook on the internet and law called internet.law.nz.) so presumably has reasons behind his decision.

Best we wait and find out perhaps?

[Big Dan]

from what the news said on tv3 the judge said once something goes on the net it will be there forever and can be deleted permantly

this is only my assumption i think he is maby protecting the accused futures and i'm guessing they may have been young also - once again this is only my opinion

hope the family have the support they need

[MadDuck]

"A judge has today taken the unprecedented step of banning news websites from naming two men charged"

As I say I doubt any reasonable person would regard KB as a "news" website. Hell just read some of the crap on here and theres your defence. :yawn:

[awayatc]

"concerned about the viral effect of digital publication."Judge David Harvey said the names could be published in newspapers and on radio and television news bulletins, but he was concerned about people being able to Google someone's name "and being able to access it later."

Makes you wonder how judges get selected......

What's next..? a law that makes it illegal to type a name from a newspaper into the Google box.....

Would it be illegal for me to scan a newspaper page or part page and post it online?......

[Gremlin]

If this is at the Manukau District Court (is it?) I could swear I had him as a judge when I ummm... was there :blank:

I found him to be a very fair judge, in touch with society (not painting himself out to be high and mighty), and willing to rip into either side if they did wrong.

The half day I saw him... I was quite impressed with him... as much as you can be, when you have been a bad bad boy :rolleyes:

[Forest]

It will take only a single person to post the details online, and thus make the ruling stupid and unenforceable.

[Nasty]

Yes it would be illegal awayatc ... KB is well known in the google searches .. so it will be found where it was publishing from, which i think is america isn't that where the server is ... anyway .. it would break the law and I don't think we encourage that at all.

[awayatc]

No worries Nasty, just wondering though what would happen if I list it on lets say a blog site or so.... I mean I would be posting a page from a public newspaper......

[James Deuce]

Yeah it's easy to "just" post it and "see what happens" when there's no legal implication for anyone other than the domain holder.

The intent might be "news" sites (there's none on the Internet apart from Al Jezzera and the BBC from what I can see) but the order is a blanket suppression. It doesn't list specific sites.

[Mom]

I have been thinking about this and wonder at the sense in suppressing the accused name on the internet only. I understand the reasoning in regards to the "searchability" aspect of the WWW but...

If I Google John Hapeta I can find all the information that is being reported on anyway. Sure I dont know the names of the accused, but not sure if that is an issue. If I served on a jury hearing this case, I would already know the names of the accused, Google searching the victims name will still give me all the info surely?

[James Deuce]

Really easy to sort by date posted, isn't it?

[Nasty]

I have been thinking about this and wonder at the sense in suppressing the accused name on the internet only. I understand the reasoning in regards to the "searchability" aspect of the WWW but...

If I Google John Hapeta I can find all the information that is being reported on anyway. Sure I dont know the names of the accused, but not sure if that is an issue. If I served on a jury hearing this case, I would already know the names of the accused, Google searching the victims name will still give me all the info surely?


It is something that the papers et all are going to appeal on ... I guess we wait and see.

[awayatc]

Google comes up with shitloads of International and even some NZ blog sites that name both scumbags and their driver...

[Nasty]

Google comes up with shitloads of International and even some NZ blog sites that name both scumbags and their driver...

that doesn't mean we have to do it though.

[awayatc]

Just google if you want to....free country and all

[=cJ=]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=john+hapeta+accused&btnG=Google+Search

Well, that was a pretty long lasting suppression order...

Was the judge really that naive that he thought his suppression order would be effective given the lack of jurisdiction NZ law has overseas?

[MisterD]

Was the judge really that naive that he thought his suppression order would be effective given the lack of jurisdiction NZ law has overseas?

It's equally amazing that he couldn't forsee the reaction to telling bloggers "Do not..."