New bike and a GDLS exemption... [Archive]

h20boy

27th August 2008, 15:20

Hi all

Thought I'd share some experiences for any of those who are considering a GDLS exemption.

Firstly, just picked up my shiny new 2008 Kawa 650R. :banana:

SO..about three months ago I decided to look at a new bike and subsequently went and put a deposit down on a new green 250R. Super, only have to wait three months for that to arrive. As so often happens when you have to wait for something, I started to think about other opportunities and I heard that I could possibly apply for an exemption from the maximum cc rating of my learners license. Before you jump up and down about the pro's and con's of this, I am 6'4 and 130kg. I was passed by a scooter while test driving the 250R (not really, but trying to get a point across).

Off I went to Mt Eden MC to ask their advice about the exemption and was directed towards John Wright, a riding instructor in South Auckland. He said he would give me a letter to accompany my application for exemption, subject to carrying out one of his "refresher courses". This constituted doing the Basic Handling Skills along with some others who where attempting to obtain their Learners. So I gladly dished out the dosh and did the course, nice guy by the way, went to the bike shop and took lots of pictures of me on bikes to assist my application.

Sent off my application and waited. Now they say it can take up to 20 days but in my experience, I rang them after about 25 days and they told me a letter was on its way. I received this on the 25 Aug(letter dated 14 Aug) and told I had 21 days to supply some additional information(10 days left). This was:

1. Make, Model, size and rego of motorcycle I wish to ride
2. Evidence of my height and weight
3. Riding experience.

Also in this letter was a list of motorcycles. This is where it turns ugly.
(Attached for your reference). It also stated in the letter that you may not be granted exemption if your bike is not on the list.

So I rang them today in a cold sweat, as I still haven't had an answer, to be told basically if it aint on the list, you aren't going to get exemption.

Bugger.

I'm not blaming anyone but I was led to believe that my bike choice would be satisfactory (the 650r being classed a sport-tourer), and with the way the timing of the application works, you don't get the list of bikes you are allowed until after you have already made a choice (as evidenced by them requesting the details of the bike you are going to ride)...if that makes sense.

SURELY, the list of bikes should be made available prior to someone even making the application?

I haven't officially been told no as yet, but it sounds as though my green machine, with the 18kms on the clock form riding it home last night, is destined to sit for 6 more months.

I'll post more soon, in the mean time, check out the attached list of 'approved for exemption motorcycles'.

Bugger. :oi-grr:

MentalFacility

27th August 2008, 15:36

Everyone has to go through the licence system like that. It doesn't make it any easier. At some point ull get a funny idea to ride with no good licence on ur 650... but this is something i could never recommend.
I'm actually kinda glad that I had to wait 2 years to get a big bike, i gained alot of experience on my 250 that now is saving my life.

Just take it easy, get a 250.

h20boy

27th August 2008, 15:42

Yeah fair comment. This isn't my first time on a motorcycle but in saying that, I don't claim to be an expert. The decision to go for a 650 straight away was two fold. Firstly, financial. I now have a bike that I will ride for the long-term as opposed to a bike I will need to sell in 12 months time and lose 2k. (New was the only option I was going to consider.)
Secondly, I am a big guy. This wasn't just a "see if I can get away with it' thing. My knees were literally higher than the tank on the 250r and fouled the handlebars.

The purpose of starting this thread is to provide some experience to other large riders who are considering the same...not to whinge about the GDLS.

CookMySock

27th August 2008, 17:33

Sent off my application and waited. Now they say it can take up to 20 days but in my experience, I rang them after about 25 days and they told me a letter was on its way. I received this on the 25 Aug(letter dated 14 Aug) and told I had 21 days to supply some additional information(10 days left).Stop paniccing dood. Wait for the letter. You will get the exemption for sure.

They gave me mine for less reason than you have. Chill.

Steve

h20boy

27th August 2008, 17:41

LOL...God I hope so. I've been waiting so long to finally have it and to not be able to ride it is the ultimate tease. Fingers crossed. :buggerd:

Badjelly

27th August 2008, 17:50

That looks suspiciously like the list of approved motorcycles for the proposed new licensing scheme, based on power-weight ratio. The Australian LAMS scheme in other words. Which suggests that the new scheme has come into effect before it's passed into law. Quite sensible, in my opinion, though it does leave you in a difficult position, and they definitely should have told you about the list before now.

Of course, you could get a BSA Golden Flash or an Indian 741 Stout [sic].

h20boy

27th August 2008, 18:01

Yeah you may be right. THe lady I spoke to did indicate that this was a fairly new development. No-one at all I spoke to told me there was a list of bikes to choose from...Hope I'm not a trial run for them :)

The Pastor

27th August 2008, 18:04

just tell them its the er5 instead of the er6

Henk

27th August 2008, 18:10

Some of the dirtbikes on that list will make hopeless learner bikes. 525 KTM is not an easy bike to ride, it may sneak in on the power to weight but theres plenty of power and not much weight, same goes for the 300 two strokes in there. Never mind still got to be better than the blanket 250 rule.

h20boy

27th August 2008, 18:35

just tell them its the er5 instead of the er6

I think that is really the issue. People were obtaining an exemption and buying bikes that really were beyond the intended purpose of the rule.

It would appear that the exemption is going to be tied to the bike, that is, you will need to provide the registration of the bike you will be riding and that is the only bike that you will be exempted to ride...outside of that bike you are back on 250cc only.

Its probably not a bad idea, i'd go as far as to say that its sensible. I just wish I had been told/forwarned.
Obviously, they need to draw the line and say from 'x' date this is the rule that applies...but surely the public should be made aware?

CookMySock

27th August 2008, 19:01

thehollowmen

27th August 2008, 20:00

Why the hell is the RE5 on the list (under suzuki)?!?!
there are only six or so of those in the country because they were only made for two years back in the 70s

h20boy

27th August 2008, 20:17

Why the hell is the RE5 on the list (under suzuki)?!?!
there are only six or so of those in the country because they were only made for two years back in the 70s

:) I went looking for some of the bikes...does the word obscure mean anything to ya? :)

shafty

27th August 2008, 21:41

h20boy

27th August 2008, 21:54

They have to 'cover themselves' with bikes like the RE5, rare but Murphys law, one will spring up.

I may be mistaken - I was once before - but I reckon you will be Okay H20Boy, with the new legislation coming along - I'm sure that will help them approve your application. I didn't see the Kawas at all on that list, but there ARE bikes which sure as hell shouldn't be there before a W650 should.

Good logic in your approach BTW

Thanks shafty. One other thing she said was the bikes on the list are generally between 30-38hp...mines a tad over that :) Well...guess i'll know next week hopefully.

I rode the bike home from the shop...first impression...bloody terrible bars, torque (there is some), and generally...cannot bloody wait to ride it for some distance!

As far as the bars go, they almost turn your wrists inside out. The ends of the bars seem to angle in towards the tank and the pressure on your wrists is totally different to anything I've felt before. Its not that your leaning forward like on a rs250 or something, just the dreadful angle. (Could be that I'm wide across the chest so arms are coming in at a wide angle i guess).
Anyrate, I'll change them to the bars available @ www.ninja650shop.com after my first service.

Gremlin

28th August 2008, 02:20

Other option is to look at the cb600... it isn't listed, but I would imagine it should be, given that they list a cb650...

That list is hilarious... the aprilia sxv550 and husaberg fs650 are on it... They aren't learner bikes by any stretch of the imagination, and often scare experienced riders!! :killingme

DingoZ

28th August 2008, 06:50

You will be fine. It doesnt matter a shit anyway - if they dont give it to ya just kit up in all the protective gear so you look ultra-pro and go ride the fucker - they will leave you alone if you behave and you look like money and like you know what you're doing. No one will know or care. If you get stung riding it, tell them some bullshit sob story and get off it anyway - How long since you were stopped for a license check ?

DB

Going to pay his fine for riding outside his conditions if he does get stopped if he does not get the exemption....???

You can get stopped even if you are "behaving, and look the part".

Bullshit sob stories are not washing these days. Got an exemption carry the letter with you as proof, otherwise ticket coming your way, regardless of whatever lame exuse you come up with....

jrandom

28th August 2008, 08:05

Stop paniccing dood. Wait for the letter. You will get the exemption for sure.

They gave me mine for less reason than you have.

That might be because your pile of Korean shite is already on the list, you drivelling idiot.

You will be fine. It doesnt matter a shit anyway - if they dont give it to ya just kit up in all the protective gear so you look ultra-pro and go ride the fucker...

Heard of this little thing called 'insurance'?

It doesn't apply when you're riding outside the conditions of your licence.

And it becomes a real motherfucker when you bin your baby into the side of a Porsche and realise that you're up for the entire bill.

$400 fines for riding outside licence conditions pale in comparison.

One other thing she said was the bikes on the list are generally between 30-38hp...mines a tad over that

Mmyes. I wouldn't call the ER6 a learner bike. Leaving it off the list is a sensible course.

However, that said, I think you were most unfairly shafted vis-a-vis nobody outside LTNZ actually knowing about this list being applied to exemptions when you bought your bike. In your position right now, I'd start a letter-writing campaign to show that:

(a) The list hadn't been published and people hadn't been notified to any reasonable extent;

(b) People have previously received GDLS exemptions for bikes not on the list. (I'm not sure whether this is the case, but it'd pay to check.)

Good luck!

imdying

28th August 2008, 08:37

Wow, what a crappy list... Like being an old piece of shite somehow makes a bike suitable for a learner? And an SM510R? An SVX550? An RVF400??? :crazy:

bungbung

28th August 2008, 10:34

Should have bought in "Indian Stout", it's on the list...

h20boy

28th August 2008, 12:00

Mmyes. I wouldn't call the ER6 a learner bike. Leaving it off the list is a sensible course.

However, that said, I think you were most unfairly shafted vis-a-vis nobody outside LTNZ actually knowing about this list being applied to exemptions when you bought your bike. In your position right now, I'd start a letter-writing campaign to show that:

(a) The list hadn't been published and people hadn't been notified to any reasonable extent;

(b) People have previously received GDLS exemptions for bikes not on the list. (I'm not sure whether this is the case, but it'd pay to check.)

Good luck!

Oh I will for sure. Im in a holding pattern until I actually recieve the letter saying no, but I intend to spit the dummy if it is a no.

The whole thing about the exemption is that you are requesting to be excluded from having to comply with a LAW. As such, I think it shouldn't be too easy to obtain and that they should take all reasonable efforts to ensure the applicants reason for an application is legitimate.
Now having said that, if you are going to allow persons to apply for this exemption, or for anything similar relating to any law, there needs to be a clear cut procedure and guidelines for applicants to follow. How do you choose a bike from a list you don't receive until after you need the exemption?

Oh, and for the record I won't be riding it if I don't get the exemption. When I was younger I would have, but the older I get the less inclined I am to ignore the consequences. And I have no intention of riding an uninsured $11000 motorcycle.

CookMySock

29th August 2008, 09:44

Im in a holding pattern until I actually recieve the letter saying no, but I intend to spit the dummy if it is a no.Don't. Talk to them and ask "what can we do then?" If you rant at them they will hold the phone away from their ear and roll their eyes - no exemption. They are a government department.

Anyways, its early days. Wait for the letter! :msn-wink:

JR, My bike isn't on that list. The listed Hyo 650 there is the RL learner-limited one. Mine is not the limited one. Also, your almost-continuous abusive manner is really disgusting - I really hope I never meet you IRL.

Steve

jrandom

29th August 2008, 15:55

The listed Hyo 650 there is the RL learner-limited one. Mine is not the limited one.

Did LTNZ figure that out at the time?

Also, your almost-continuous abusive manner is really disgusting - I really hope I never meet you IRL.

Will you fuck me up, motherfucker?

That sounds dangerous!

:shit:

Or will you perhaps just get your missus to ask me to be nice, because my mockery is making you cry?

:lol:

imdying

29th August 2008, 15:58

Did LTNZ figure that out at the time?Would it matter? Any the hyobags are only suitable for learner fodder :lol:

jrandom

29th August 2008, 15:59

the hyobags are only suitable for learner fodder

Dunno about that. Aren't learner bikes supposed to be reliable?

imdying

29th August 2008, 16:00

Dunno about that. Aren't learner bikes supposed to be reliable?

Well they've got bouncy enough to make you appreciate your first real bike down pat, so that's something in their favour... :buggerd:

jrandom

29th August 2008, 16:06

bouncy enough to make you appreciate your first real bike

I'm unconvinced by the 'learner bikes should be piles of shite so that people appreciate real ones later on' argument for the existence of Hyobags.

Still, I guess there's always gotta be some country out there that reminds us that being small, brown and slanty-eyed doesn't necessarily mean you can build good motorcycles. Viva Korea!

Number One

29th August 2008, 16:20

I've got an SV650...not fast or anything but not 250 and I note it's not on the list. Been riding for about 10 years, lots of rider training courses completed also...just hadn't sorted out my shit to get it sooner. DIdn't have to supply a pic or evidence of my height weight etc...just laid out my experience, training, gear, ride and riding history.

My exemption letter arrived in the mail today...condition = must sit and pass full license test by September 21. I can do that :yes: good experience with the team concerned - happy wee girl here today.

Good luck with yours and don't fret till you know either way.

AND In my usual shit stirring fashion, I would say in reference to your comment about why they don't supply you with the list of bikes able to get exemption for...suck it up...it's up to us to do our own homework on the system when applying to be excused from it.

slimjim

29th August 2008, 16:28

yup await for letter , shouldn't freak out

Hellraiser

29th August 2008, 17:26

That list is hilarious... the aprilia sxv550 and husaberg fs650 are on it... They aren't learner bikes by any stretch of the imagination, and often scare experienced riders!! :killingme

That is because in Aussie these bikes come fitted with factory restrictors i think the SXV goes from being 70hp to around the 50hp mark in order to comply with the LAM's rules.

h20boy

29th August 2008, 22:46

AND In my usual shit stirring fashion, I would say in reference to your comment about why they don't supply you with the list of bikes able to get exemption for...suck it up...it's up to us to do our own homework on the system when applying to be excused from it.

Fair enough...but...I spoke to them prior to applying, I spoke to a riding instructor who has provided endorsements for many, many of these and spoke to my dealer. I searched online, both on the NZTA and LTSA websites and general forums etc and this list has never been mentioned nor made available. If this list is to be enforced it should be readily available...thats all.

Anyways, cross your collective fingers for me please :)

Number One

30th August 2008, 08:55

Anyways, cross your collective fingers for me please :)
I am crossing my fingers for you...my toes too! Good luck :sunny:

2Slow50

30th August 2008, 13:25

you will be fine brother! seriously don't stress.. I'm approved to ride my r6 on an exemption.. rofl :)

marty

30th August 2008, 18:15

one of the guys at work has just got an exemption to ride his brand new DRZ400SM - he didn't even HAVE a licence, and was given a single shot at passing his learner/restriced/full in one exam. if he failed, he had to go through the whole 18 month process. he supported his application with a 10 year motocross licence, with results from numerous meets.

supraman_nz

31st August 2008, 12:21

Iv just applied for an exemption as well (similar height) and was wondering what was your reply in regards to riding experience?

CookMySock

31st August 2008, 13:34

Iv just applied for an exemption as well (similar height) and was wondering what was your reply in regards to riding experience?I spun a whole lot of bullshit about extensive off-road experience. Well, it wasn't all lies.

I think the thing is, people who KNOW they can ride a 600+cc bike are going to apply. Those who think they cannot, won't, and I think the exemption people know the difference. Half-assed scaredy-cat applications won't make it. Confident, well-explained applications will make it. They know we can spin any bullshit story we like, and they know that a certain percentage of people can and will.

Ie, my wife can ride her 250 perfectly well. She can also ride my 650 perfectly well, but she doesn't want to - its too big and heavy and it handles funny compared to her learner bike. If she did apply, not that she would, I think it would show, and I think it would be declined.

For myself, when I applied I knew I could ride a 650. The size of it didn't bother me at all, and regardless of what story I spun then on the application, I think they can tell.

Steve

supraman_nz

31st August 2008, 17:39

thanks steve that helps

h20boy

31st August 2008, 20:49

As with Steve, I spoke about my offroad experience.
The fact is, I've ridden alot of bikes on the road when I was younger and didn't have a license at all....hardly the sort of thing I would tell them. I'm older and wiser now and really want to do it by the book, hence the application. I know for certain that I can handle the bike...somehow, I doubt my confidence will make a huge difference in their decision. Time will tell. Will keep you posted.

h20boy

1st September 2008, 13:34

Well...I got the dreaded phone call today.

THey wil not grant me exemption to ride the ER6-F as it has more power than those on the list.
I requested a formal letter explaining exactly why as I believe I have an opportunity to appeal their decision.

If anyone can help me out with power figures for any of the bikes on the list it would be hugely appreciated. Surely, if I can identify one bike on their with the same or more power output they will have a hard time defending their decision in court.

Absolutely %&$#'n GUTTED! :2guns:

Badjelly

1st September 2008, 13:49

Surely, if I can identify one bike on their with the same or more power output they will have a hard time defending their decision in court.

Maybe, maybe not. If the law gives the relevant authority discretion in granting exemptions, then showing that they've been inconsistent won't necessarily gain you anything.

As I said near the start of this thread, it looks like they are now granting exemptions on the learner-approved list described here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70332
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00490.htm

These have a maximum power/weight ratio of 150 KW/tonne, where the weight is taken as the dry (?) weight of the bike plus 90 kg.

They may well have allowed exemptions in the past for bikes that don't meet this criterion, but it appears they have decided to adopt the list from now on. This is a reasonable thing to do IMHO, thought you'd think they could have told people (like you) who would be affected by it.

[Edit] PS: This sounds rather unsympathetic doesn't it? That's not my intention. I hope you do get to ride the bike you've bought and I think you do have grounds for complaint. I just don't think you are likely to get this overturned in court.

imdying

1st September 2008, 13:50

In court?! That's like paying for the privledge of getting cancer :no:

CookMySock

1st September 2008, 14:23

They may well have allowed exemptions in the past for bikes that don't meet this criterion, but it appears they have decided to adopt the list from now on.I think this is incorrect. My understanding is they will exempt other bikes (not on this list) on a case-by-case basis.

Steve

ruphus

1st September 2008, 14:48

The Aprilia's RXV/SXV 550's are massive bikes. 70Hp and 125kg (give or take). Throw a 90kg rider in the mix and that's a 237kw/tonne bike.

h20boy

1st September 2008, 15:48

guess I'm off to Rarotonga.:calm:

h20boy

1st September 2008, 16:20

link to my new thread :)

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1712407#post1712407

Tank

1st September 2008, 17:55

I think this is incorrect. My understanding is they will exempt other bikes (not on this list) on a case-by-case basis.

Steve

Nope - I think that you will find that they have moved on from the case by case basis.

That's why they now have a list and never mentioned it previously.

Im thinking the thread starter just got caught in the changeover (still should have got the exemption then the bike tho').

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h20boy

1st September 2008, 18:19

Nope - I think that you will find that they have moved on from the case by case basis.

That's why they now have a list and never mentioned it previously.

Im thinking the thread starter just got caught in the changeover (still should have got the exemption then the bike tho').

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Absolutely right Tank, I should have.
In my defense...NO-BODY knew about this. All the advice I received, and every post relating to this on this site, give indication as to the ease with which they previously issued these exemptions...story of my life to be the unlucky hua caught on the change. :)

CookMySock

1st September 2008, 18:31

Nope - I think that you will find that they have moved on from the case by case basis.Suck. I hope not. I really need my full for the summer. Growl..

For those who are unaware, I have an exemption to ride a 650 on my learners. All the rest of the family has bikes except the 14 y/o daughter who wants to ride with me. After 15,000 km on the 650, I can almost certainly pass my full ok.

Steve

h20boy

1st September 2008, 19:40

Suck. I hope not. I really need my full for the summer. Growl..

For those who are unaware, I have an exemption to ride a 650 on my learners. All the rest of the family has bikes except the 14 y/o daughter who wants to ride with me. After 15,000 km on the 650, I can almost certainly pass my full ok.

Steve

You've already got your exemption so I doubt anything will change for you.

CookMySock

1st September 2008, 19:48

You've already got your exemption so I doubt anything will change for you.ok. Others have been given permission to sit their full license right away. Recently too. Actually, just last week.

Steve

Number One

1st September 2008, 20:00

ok. Others have been given permission to sit their full license right away. Recently too. Actually, just last week.

Steve
Yeah I have a funny feeling that I ACTUALLY don't have permission to ride the bike until I have passed it....Seems they have tightened things up considerably....:weep:

h20boy

1st September 2008, 20:33

ok. Others have been given permission to sit their full license right away. Recently too. Actually, just last week.

Steve

Yeah they still offer this under 'special circumstances' which apparently I am not :)
If I was to change bikes to one on the list i would be granted the exemption.
Anyone wanna swap a 2008 650r for a Doug 350?:)

CookMySock

1st September 2008, 20:35

Yeah I have a funny feeling that I ACTUALLY don't have permission to ride the bike until I have passed it.heh, I have a funny feeling you are right ! Only one thing for it then ! :headbang:

Orf to see teh lishensh exshaminer ! Orn yer boike !

Steve

Number One

1st September 2008, 20:52

Orf to see teh lishensh exshaminer ! Orn yer boike !
Stink one - I was sooo excited until I realised!!! Booking it in this week...hopefully I can go for it next week!!!! SHouldn't be a problem...but then that might be famous last words :whistle:

Tank

2nd September 2008, 08:46

Yeah they still offer this under 'special circumstances' which apparently I am not :)
If I was to change bikes to one on the list i would be granted the exemption.
Anyone wanna swap a 2008 650r for a Doug 350?:)

The special circumstances are a requirement to do a large amount of open road riding. You may want to get this into your letter somewhere.

The reason being that they DO NOT want learners on the open road doing 70km - they believe it to be dangerous.

That's what LTNZ told me when they gave me the chance to go directly to my full from my "L" (and I was allowed to ride the 800 until I sat it - and if I failed I was still allowed the 800 - I just had to stay within the other restrictions).

Tank

2nd September 2008, 08:50

Absolutely right Tank, I should have.
In my defense...NO-BODY knew about this. All the advice I received, and every post relating to this on this site, give indication as to the ease with which they previously issued these exemptions...story of my life to be the unlucky hua caught on the change. :)

I got to say - I feel for ya. Its bloody unlucky how you got caught out. Since there are 10,000,000 threads about how easy it is to get dispensation - perhaps a MOD can sticky this thread (or another one that's edited - Id be glad to help) - so its easy to see that there have been changes and people are not making decisions based on old information.

Badjelly

2nd September 2008, 09:12

...so its easy to see that there have been changes and people are not making decisions based on old information.

It would be nice to have some definite information from the licensing people.

CookMySock

2nd September 2008, 09:21

Stink one - I was sooo excited until I realised!!! Booking it in this week...hopefully I can go for it next week!!!! SHouldn't be a problem...but then that might be famous last words :whistle:Hey I think they will permit you to "get used to the bike" before your test. Ask them! Quick email or phone call time. You can hardly be expected to do a license test on a bike you have, cough, "never ridden."

Steve

racefactory

2nd September 2008, 13:44

You will be fine. It doesnt matter a shit anyway - if they dont give it to ya just kit up in all the protective gear so you look ultra-pro and go ride the fucker - they will leave you alone if you behave and you look like money and like you know what you're doing. No one will know or care. If you get stung riding it, tell them some bullshit sob story and get off it anyway - How long since you were stopped for a license check ?

DB

I agree with this. Just go ride it but try for the exemption.

I knew a guy with a GSXR750 and one a GSXR1000 and also a good friend on an SV650- all on their learners. As long as you ride responsibly you don't get stopped unless you do stupid shit. if you do happen to, they won't always point out/notice the capacity breach and if they do- i have heard of people being let off with a warning many a time.

Not to say you should go jump on straight away and not think about it again- but don't fret about it mate. One thing for sure- it's a good incentive to not do stupid shit or speed...

slimjim

2nd September 2008, 14:07

:clap: Fuck Bro... You Buy You Ride YOUR FREEDOM TO DO....

and Honsetly What Cop is gona pull ya's up ... if ya's behaving

and what.. so ya's get pulled up fucksake we play a blonde :msn-wink:

:cool:

and inurance is yup same follow bikes a bike

southernmike

2nd September 2008, 14:10

Interesting list of suitable bikes... do they expect you to steal your exempt bike from a museum?

southernmike

2nd September 2008, 14:14

An Indian 741 'STOUT'??? Wonder if it's better than Guinness?

h20boy

2nd September 2008, 16:02

Interesting list of suitable bikes... do they expect you to steal your exempt bike from a museum?

theres bikes on that list older than me. and slower.

BLazeD

16th September 2008, 22:31

Gubb

16th September 2008, 22:35

I am 1.98m and 125kg and I got denied an exemption to get a bike that wasn't on the list after sending in photos on some of the largest bikes that are on the list and making them look too small (which they are).

I'm about the same, and I manage to fit onto my bike with no worries. If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way to make it fit.

BLazeD

16th September 2008, 22:41

I can "fit" on a pocket bike, doesn't mean it's right tho.

You completely missed my point.

Tank

16th September 2008, 22:51

I am 1.98m and 125kg and I got denied an exemption to get a bike that wasn't on the list after sending in photos of me on some of the largest bikes that are on the list and making them look too small (which they are).

Dipshits who fit perfectly fine on a 250cc and who have been applying for the hell of it have fucked it up for people like me.

No they havnt - its simply a transition period towards the new licensing rules.

Sorry that you are having issues with the exemption - but it has nothing to do with anything others have done - they simply believe that the new rules will eliminate the need for the exemptions.

h20boy

17th September 2008, 14:18

No they havnt - its simply a transition period towards the new licensing rules.

Sorry that you are having issues with the exemption - but it has nothing to do with anything others have done - they simply believe that the new rules will eliminate the need for the exemptions.

After speaking to the lady I dealt with, there certainly was an element of tightening up because people were riding bikes that the exemption was never meant to allow them to ride. They are very much aware of this.

Tank hits it on the head however, with this list there simply will not be exemptions based upon size anymore.