Tasers safe.. as long as you are in the police

[davereid]

The Police have decided that tasers are safe, and can be deployed as routine equipment.

Good show. Police need the equipment to protect themselves, after all, they have a dangerous job.

Cops murdered on the job since 1996...
2008.. none..awaiting possible court case and conviction...
2002 Taylor, D
1999 Stretch, M
1996 McKibbin, G

During the same period, only 943 non police officers were murdered.

Clearly police need tasers.

Joe Public of course, will still be prosecuted if he has a baton, a taser, or any other defensive weapon in his taxi, dairy, liquor shop, bar or home.

Somehow, this safe weapon will remain unavailable to those who are always first at a crime.

[Cary]

Tasers, give em guns. Gonna shoot someone, make it count.

[firefighter]

During the same period, only 943 non police officers were murdered.

Clearly police need tasers.

Joe Public of course, will still be prosecuted if he has a baton, a taser, or any other defensive weapon in his taxi, dairy, liquor shop, bar or home.

Somehow, this safe weapon will remain unavailable to those who are always first at a crime.

I think you'll find that the police need these a smidgen more than Joe public, for starters they are constantly dealing with violent people-and need some sort of quick effective weapon which doesn't really do any un-necessary damage, besides that the police will be thoroughly trained in their use, there will be strict guidelines, do you really want the mongrel pricks out there assaulting people etc to have access to these too? because if dairy owners etc have access to them, then so do the crims.

I'm 100% for the cops to have them and I think it's about 5 years over-due.

[Indoo]

Not really sure what your point is. But 2000 cops are assaulted a year, the figures worked out to something like 6 a day, with 1 out of 6 of those assaults being categorized as serious. Given that we would only have a few thousand 'front line' staff thats quite a horrendous figure.

[davereid]

if dairy owners etc have access to them, then so do the crims.

I'd prefer the crim shot me with the taser, than the shot gun they currently use...

I'm not saying, even for a moment that the police should not have them...

[Goblin]

Wonder how long before cops around here use them for sex toys. :shit:

[sels1]

Its sad our society has declined to a point where these things are deemed necessary. But I guess if I was a cop faced with a P-crazed luatic, a Tazer would be handy.
As has happened overseas, at some point they will be misused and abused, and at some point the crims will get to try them out on the cops - mark my words.

[Swoop]

Wonder how long before cops around here use them for sex toys. :shit:
That's shocking!:buggerd:

[alanzs]

Cops should have guns.

[Oscar]

Cops should have guns.

Cops already have guns (as do some crims).

I would far rather that a crim is tazered, whereupon there is a good chance he survives to argue his case in court, than shot (where there is little chance of due process).

As for crims having tazers, the same applies. Would you prefer to be held up with a gun or a tazer?

[Dargor]

if dairy owners etc have access to them, then so do the crims.

no no no, its the law the stops the dairy owner having one, but the crims the law-less will not be stopped by the law, they will do whatever they want.

[Mr Merde]

no no no, its the law the stops the dairy owner having one, but the crims the law-less will not be stopped by the law, they will do whatever they want.

Very astute.

As a well known T shirt slogan states,

"When Guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

The word gun can be replaced with the word Taser.

I remember in the UK when they banned stun guns and tasers for the general population, they also banned the posession and use of pepper sprays for the general population also because the police forces there claimed that they were "very dangerous". A year later they were screaming at the Home Office that they should be issued with pepper sprays as they were non dangerous and an effective means of defending a police officer from an agressive criminal.

Reading into this it seems that we, the public, cannot be trusted to protect ourselves from danger but they, the police FORCES, should be allowed whatever means they see fit to defend themselves.

[slimjim]

yes after all .... a gang member wearing blue..... what's different.. it still eat's shits tells lies gets sleep ... been class taught what the club does , does what workmates do...
me ....fuck the trazer .... wear gun's ... police aren't no diff ... only goverment paided...

[Scouse]

I don't mind the cops having Tazers if they are used only when necessary its the abuse of them that worries me, like when that cop had that guy handcuffed and lying on the ground at Abany stadium with about seven of his (the cops) mates standing around while hosing down the guy ( on the ground) with pepper spray.

[MSTRS]

I don't mind the cops having Tazers if they are used only when necessary its the abuse of them that worries me, like when that cop had that guy handcuffed and lying on the ground at Abany stadium with about seven of his (the cops) mates standing around while hosing down the guy ( on the ground) with pepper spray.

Chances are that a cop is not going to abuse the possession of any sort of weapon, but the above is a good point. I'll bet the victim (who was at least suspected of sexual harassment) was glad that cop didn't have a Tazer or a pistol. What does multiple 'shots' of a Tazer do to the person receiving?

[Griffin]

Clearly police need tasers.

Is it just me or is the way your post reads implying that the Police should have no more rights to an effective weapon to control criminal behaviour than Joe Public?

I, personally, think that NZ Police could do well to emulate American Cops. Give em guns, give big solid cars with fuck off nudge bars, give em the numbers they need to do the job and tell the PC brigade to piss off and mind their own business. I admire the no nonsense get the job done approach that the Americans have, they dont take any shit, they treat everyone the same until they work out whats going on and they demand respect.

Over here our tree hugging PC Nazis have it all tied up so tight that our cops cant even ask you questions without fear of their chosen career being severed. We have totally de testicalised our Police Force and we have a gutless justice system to top it off... its time Crims were treated like crims and Cops were given the freedom to do what they need to do... Tazers??? Screw Tazers - give em guns and let them use them like any decent American Cop would... a bullet is a dam site cheaper than 3 wholesome meals a day and sky TV for a 12yr (reduced to 4 for bullshit reasons) sentence.

:2guns:

[MSTRS]

Griffin, you are out for a jog. You've just passed the Tui Glen Dairy when the cops arrive (armed holdup callout). They think you are the robber. Yell out to stop. You have no idea it's you they are talking to. Bang! One between the shoulder blades.
Still want them armed?

[Swoop]

Bang! One between the shoulder blades.
Still want them armed?
Only one bang?

More like: Bang, Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,click, reloading,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang!

"Stop or I'll shoot".:clap:

[SPman]

I, personally, think that NZ Police could do well to emulate American Cops. Give em guns, give big solid cars with fuck off nudge bars, give em the numbers they need to do the job and tell the PC brigade to piss off and mind their own business. I admire the no nonsense get the job done approach that the Americans have, they dont take any shit, they treat everyone the same until they work out whats going on and they demand respect.

Yep, Tazer guys lying on the ground with broken backs.....Tazer guys who look at them funny, tazer people who are slow to get the licences out on a pull over (white middle class professionals, in this case)...tazer people who have broken no laws, so bad they are carted off to hospital and sometimes die!
All that and more has happened in the States.
If they were used as weapon of last resort, after mature handling of a situation, it would be reasonable to have them.
However, overseas experience has shown, they will become a weapon of easiest resort, being used every time a cop is scared or pissed off at someone and I have no doubt, the same thing will happen here as well.
When you give someone a weapon as general equipment, they will use it with scant regard for guidelines and always find a way to justify it. When you have only your brain to manage a situation, you don't tend to go in so gung ho and fuck you - as most American police seem to have become..and the Aussie police, who are also armed. You will try to find a peaceful solution to a problem if at all possible and use force as a last resort.
That seems to be less and less the norm these days.........and with tazers on general issue, will become even less so.

[Patar]

About time they got tazers I say!
I'm sick and tired of people giving cops shit, they're doing a hard job that few people want to do, and the fact that many people go out of their way to make a cops job difficult pisses me off.
Too often you see some punk talking to a cop and the punk is disrespectful and goes out of his way to be difficult, he deserves a punch in the nose, but that's a nono so yay for tazer, that'll learn him.


And as for emulating American cops, fuck no. I don't want a 200kg cop turning up to my house if there's a robbery in progress, wtf is going to do? Sit on them?

[alanzs]

Cops already have guns (as do some crims).

I would far rather that a crim is tazered, whereupon there is a good chance he survives to argue his case in court, than shot (where there is little chance of due process).

As for crims having tazers, the same applies. Would you prefer to be held up with a gun or a tazer?

Thank you for asking. (I have used a bigger font to emphasize my point, so that it's clear) I would prefer neither but if somebody breaks into my house and threatens the life of my wife, kids or myself, and I am in imminent danger, I think I should have the right to shoot them fucking dead to protect myself/family. It'll be a lesson for the next asshole who thinks they can break into a poor defenseless person's house. Bang, Bang motherfucker, taste my .45! Crims should be living in fear, never knowing when they break into a house, if they'll get killed. Maybe they'll learn, and if not, they'll never be a burden on society or pass on their defective predator/dumbshit genes again.
Very harsh, certainly not taking into account the poor crims shitty upbringing and all the excuses that people allow others to not take responsibility for their lives.
If there is anybody who would rather not defend themselves in the face of imminent danger or death, I think they should have that right. That's what 111 is for. Tell the crim to wait, as the police are coming any minute/hour now.

Thinking that the police are going to come and protect me or us, is naive. I would think that most LEO's would agree.

While it is a harsh reality that I don't like, this is a reality, even here in NZ. There are sheep, sheep dogs and wolves in this life we live. We all make choices. I'm not a sheep my friend...
Thank you for asking. :eek5:

PS - One shot is all that's needed, as I am a good shot, but two shots, as the first goes right between the eyes, and the second goes right next to it, just for good measure.

[imdying]

Griffin, you are out for a jog. You've just passed the Tui Glen Dairy when the cops arrive (armed holdup callout). They think you are the robber. Yell out to stop. You have no idea it's you they are talking to. Bang! One between the shoulder blades.
Still want them armed?Leaning on unrealistic scenarios... is that all you've got?

There's a lot more niggers with sawn offs around these days, I say let the coppers shoot back.

[jrandom]

... that guy handcuffed and lying on the ground at Abany stadium with about seven of his (the cops) mates standing around while hosing down the guy ( on the ground) with pepper spray.

Pfft. Guys who pat waitresses' arses after drinking too much deserve everything they get.

:yes:

[imdying]

Too often you see some punk talking to a cop and the punk is disrespectful and goes out of his way to be difficult, he deserves a punch in the nose, but that's a nono so yay for tazer, that'll learn him.Yep... seen those little underage wankers thinking they're God's gift to whatever... Lippy to the copper... that's fine, keep mouthing off you little drop kick.... bzzzzzzt, fry you little fuck.

[alanzs]

that's fine, keep mouthing off you little drop kick.... bzzzzzzt, fry you little fuck.

Watch them do the "Tazer Shuffle." :woohoo:

[jrandom]

Leaning on unrealistic scenarios... is that all you've got?

I'm sure that right up until the last few minutes of his life, Jean Charles de Menezes would have considered that an 'unrealistic scenario', too.

[SPman]

PS - One shot is all that's needed, as I am a good shot, but two shots, as the first goes right between the eyes, and the second goes right next to it, just for good measure.
No...the second shot is in the ceiling....the "warning shot"!

[imdying]

I'm sure that right up until the last few minutes of his life, Jean Charles de Menezes would have considered that an 'unrealistic scenario', too.It's also uncommon enough that you can name specific cases too... Small price to pay.

[alanzs]

No...the second shot is in the ceiling....the "warning shot"!

There would be no warning shot. There will be a warning call though, to the police. The warning call will be along the lines of "I have just defended myself and the intruder is dead. I am safe as is my family. Please come quick, the blood is ruining my carpet and the dead person has shit their pants, warning, it stinks." :2guns:

[jrandom]

It's also uncommon enough that you can name specific cases too...

Would you like me to start posting all the 'specific cases' that went largely unreported by the wider media due to being perpetrated by the NYPD in alleyways instead of by the Met in crowded subway stations?

I suppose you'd argue that it doesn't matter because the dead guys in NY were all niggers anyhow, and probably criminals of one sort or another, therefore no loss, etc?

The scenario is not unrealistic.

Lethally arming society's enforcement agents as a matter of course is a step that shouldn't be taken lightly, regardless of how many niggers you'd personally like to shoot.

[MSTRS]

It's also uncommon enough that you can name specific cases too... Small price to pay.

Except when you are the innocent holee

[imdying]

Would you like me to start posting all the 'specific cases' that went largely unreported by the wider media due to being perpetrated by the NYPD in alleyways instead of by the Met in crowded subway stations?Go nuts... when you can name enough cases to make up a figure that approaches 0.1% of their total arrest figures, I'll be interested.


I suppose you'd argue that it doesn't matter because the dead guys in NY were all niggers anyhow, and probably criminals of one sort or another, therefore no loss, etc?No argument their.


The scenario is not unrealistic.Unrealistic, unlikely, a bit fictional, it's just a label, doesn't change anything.


Lethally arming society's enforcement agents as a matter of course is a step that shouldn't be taken lightly, regardless of how many niggers you'd personally like to shoot.I much prefer the current alternative of having an enforcement agency with no teeth whatsoever, that is working simply wonderfully for the country.


Except when you are the innocent holeeBut of course... but you can't expect to run a war without casualties, that is unrealistic.

[jrandom]

Go nuts... when you can name enough cases to make up a figure that approaches 0.1% of their total arrest figures, I'll be interested.

So you're cool with the cops shooting whoever they want, so long as they kill less than one in a thousand of the people they arrest?

That's totally awesome, man. Totally awesome.

:laugh:

[The Stranger]

Wonder how long before cops around here use them for sex toys. :shit:

Kinky! :yes:


I like you.

[imdying]

So you're cool with the cops shooting whoever they want, so long as they kill less than one in a thousand of the people they arrest?

That's totally awesome, man. Totally awesome.

:laugh:You forget that they have to be black :whistle:

[alanzs]

Lethally arming society's enforcement agents as a matter of course is a step that shouldn't be taken lightly, regardless of how many niggers you'd personally like to shoot.

I agree with you to arm them is not to be taken lightly. Guns are here whether we like it or not.

I don't for a second want the "comboy" mentality that many cops in the US have to be here, as I have had their guns pointed at me on a few occasions and it isn't fun at all. I didn't like it, but I understood why it happened.

:hug:

[MSTRS]

But of course... but you can't expect to run a war without casualties, that is unrealistic.

Ah...the old 'collateral' damage.
Well then...that makes it ok then.
But only if the victims of gung-ho cop behaviour are black. Right?

[imdying]

Ah...the old 'collateral' damage.
Well then...that makes it ok then.
But only if the victims of gung-ho cop behaviour are black. Right?Well, that would be the ideal of course, but we'll run out of them eventually... spose we won't need police then though... :innocent:

[Mumbles]

No...the second shot is in the ceiling....the "warning shot"!
Never fire the warning shot! that then leads to your actions being premeditated!!! and you don't need that :oi-grr:

Whatever happened to the day that you just got a good clip around the ear? Seems we kiwis all become a bunch of :baby:. like its been said before come into my house (uninvited robbing scum) and you'll have to play by my rules and I'm not going to stop and ask for ya name


Give the police the training and the responsibility to do their job, if they fk it up then discipline them :girlfight: but if you don't want to get tasered or shot then you'd better behave :bleh:

[alanzs]

Never fire the warning shot! that then leads to your actions being premeditated!!! and you don't need that :oi-grr:

Give the police the training and the responsibility to do their job, if they fk it up then discipline them :girlfight: but if you don't want to get tasered or shot then you'd better behave :bleh:

I have never had the misfortune to use a handgun against a person.

From ex-armed forces guys I have known, I was told your hand would probably be shaking and quivering and just hitting the person would be quite an accomplishment. But, again, I have never shot at someone and hope to keep it that way. :eek5:

Make love not war.... :yes:

[Ixion]

Yep... seen those little underage wankers thinking they're God's gift to whatever... Lippy to the copper... that's fine, keep mouthing off you little drop kick.... bzzzzzzt, fry you little fuck.

Which rather nicely encapsulates all the reasons cops should not have Tasers.

[Patrick]

Wonder how long before cops around here use them for sex toys. :shit:

Wotcha doin this weekend????


I don't mind the cops having Tazers if they are used only when necessary its the abuse of them that worries me, like when that cop had that guy handcuffed and lying on the ground at Abany stadium with about seven of his (the cops) mates standing around while hosing down the guy ( on the ground) with pepper spray.

Knowing the cop, knowing the event and knowing how TV3 so seriously and carefully edited the news piece you and the rest of NZ saw, the outcome was....??????

Oh yeah... "it was a whitewash..."


Griffin, you are out for a jog. You've just passed the Tui Glen Dairy when the cops arrive (armed holdup callout). They think you are the robber. Yell out to stop. You have no idea it's you they are talking to. Bang! One between the shoulder blades.
Still want them armed?

In NZ? The robber wouldn't be running. Would be too lazy to run.


Only one bang?

More like: Bang, Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,click, reloading,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang!

"Stop or I'll shoot".:clap:

Nah - that is the States and Oz. Here in NZ, it would be more like...

Shit... armed offender...!!! He is coming at me fast!!! Got my gun out now, so what do I do? "Stop or I will shoot" I yell.... Nope... still coming. Raising it to shoot me...

If I shoot, I will probably be criminally charged by the department. If I get off that, the family will take out a civil prosecution. Once that is over, the coroner will investigate all the proceedures, in hindsight, and will pick up on anything no matter how slight and the media will turn that into a news headline... again....

Then there is the paperwork... my own, then the statements with the lawyer present, then the endless visits to the lawyer, then the court hearings, the appeals perhaps, the internal investigations and their outcomes and directives...

The shithead families will have a go at harming my family because the NBR will name me before any hearing...

Oh....

Fuck....

He shot me...

Why didn't I shoot him?

Go figure....... Only in NZ.....

[Patrick]

Yep... seen those little underage wankers thinking they're God's gift to whatever... Lippy to the copper... that's fine, keep mouthing off you little drop kick.... bzzzzzzt, fry you little fuck.

The tazer is one last step removed from shooting.

Mouth off all you like. You are not gonna get fried.

[jrandom]

Wotcha doin this weekend????

I'd quite like to take the 5-second Taser ride. Just out of curiosity.

Are you allowed to shoot up any of your mates who want a go, or does the cost of filing the Tasercam footage, etc, mean that you'd get in trouble if you did?

[Patar]

The tazer is one last step removed from shooting.

Mouth off all you like. You are not gonna get fried.

Mouth off all you like and you'll be done for disorderly conduct, and then the little shits will resist arrest and then bzzzt. I would rather have a cop end a dispute decisively with a tazer than have it escalate into a full blown fist fight.

Lets face it, if there is someone that a cop can't subdue by themselves, then chances are they won't sustain any damage from a tazer shot. Maybe, just maybe, the next time they will cooperate.


(I don't know the stats, but I don't think anyone has died directly as a result of a tazer shot)

[Tank]

I'd quite like to take the 5-second Taser ride. Just out of curiosity.


Id love to taser someone - you're as good as any - My neighbour is quite high up in Auckland police. Ill ask him over the weekend.

[jrandom]

Id love to taser someone - you're as good as any - My neighbour is quite high up in Auckland police. Ill ask him over the weekend.

I'm sure you'd love to taser someone, but I'm not interested in being shot by anyone who hasn't undergone the relevant training and taken the ride themselves.

If your neighbour wants to pull the trigger himself, he'll be welcome.

[alanzs]

(I don't know the stats, but I don't think anyone has died directly as a result of a tazer shot)

Depends what you mean by direct. If you mean they were alive and well and then they got tazed and died then yes, there have been deaths directly related to getting tazed. Indirectly, well, we all die. Shit happens. That's why we have ACC. :laugh:

[imdying]

The tazer is one last step removed from shooting.

Mouth off all you like. You are not gonna get fried.Never fear, I just filled in a boring afternoon, I very much doubt that no matter how much some little punks deserve it, they won't get the tasering that they've earnt.

[Jerry74]

Give them to the prison service as well, have to deal with the same crims as the police.

[St_Gabriel]

ok, firstly, lets excuse the fact that using a Taser against a person, selling a taser, posessing a taser or anything else, is against the law (electricity regs, a device which can cause harm to people/property or livestock, Next time Im not so drunk will research it further is ppl are interested)
Im all for the police having anything at their disposal to help them with their jobs, but would prefer they were armed with a Glock (saves on prison costs).
As an aside, would really like to be tasered one day as I am one of the few people who dont seem to mind being "Megger'ed" at 1000 volts ( Yes I know Tasers work at much higher voltages) and I wonder at the efficacy of the Taser when the subject/victim/criminal is in a very low resistace situation. ( EG poring rain/absolutely saturated)

[Mr Merde]

..
(I don't know the stats, but I don't think anyone has died directly as a result of a tazer shot)

Think back a few months.

Think Canada,

Think non English speaking male

Think airport.

He wouldnt do as he was told , cos he couldnt speak English.

Police tasered him and he died.

[Trouser]

Incidently the police commissioner refuses to be tasered because it is dangerous.

[alanzs]

Incidently the police commissioner refuses to be tasered because it is dangerous.

His refusal to be tasered is about as relevant to the discussion of a tazers merits in law enforcement as hammers are to apples. Asking him if he thought the colours of the tazer would clash with the police uniforms would have been about as relevant as the question he was asked. He probably doesn't want to be shot buy a gun or hit by a club either. He said he was getting on in age and didn't want to take a risk. Fair enough. Maybe if crims think the same way, they'll try to avoid getting zapped by a tazer.

Deterrence isn't a bad thing. Like having a gun in the house for protection. Let the crims feel fear when they break into a home.

[NighthawkNZ]

don't break the law you won't get tasered...????

[MSTRS]

don't break the law you won't get tasered...????

Um...more properly, don't come to the attention of the police. There will be mistakes.
btw I'm not against arming the farce, and tazers have to be better than openly carried firearms

[SPman]

don't break the law you won't get tasered...????
Sorry - experience overseas shows this is decidedly not the case!
I'm all for the police having the appropriate means at their command to carry out their job, but, put a "non lethal" (they arent, many people have died as a result of taser use, most of them not guilty of any offence!) weapon in the hands of a frightened or worse, arrogant, cop, as a general use weapon, and we are going to see the same instances of ill considered, non thinking, arrogant abuse, by some officers, that have occured overseas. Also, due to societys insistance of placing severely mentally ill people in the general community, they will be getting zapped more than most.
Without strictly enforced and transparent guidelines to use, it will be the disaster it has been overseas!
......Oh....

Fuck....

He shot me...

Why didn't I shoot him?

Go figure....... Only in NZ.....

Yep - you're fucked everywhich way! - but at least there is some form of accountability.

Tasers, in the hands of properly trained and stable, thinking police, are a far better option than general arming of police. If police need guns, they are normally available. Better to keep it that way. Either, should always be a weapon of last resort. To too many police, they could become a weapon of first resort and it's that sort of mentality, the general public need to KNOW, won't be the case.

[jrandom]

"non lethal"

'Non-lethal' is a misnomer, because obviously any incapacitating weapon can potentially cause death in various ways. 'Less-lethal' is the accepted industry term (http://www.taser.com/research/Science/Documents/Michigna%20Risk%20Managment%20TASER.pdf).

It's also important to note that the whole point of the Taser is that it is not a 'pain compliance' weapon. The fact that it hurts is secondary to the fact that the electric pulses cause immobilising muscle contractions.

A target with a high pain tolerance will still be incapacitated by a Taser, which is an important point of difference to pepper spray or baton strikes.

[<Rhino>]

.... It'll be a lesson for the next asshole who thinks they can break into a poor defenseless person's house....... Bang, [U]Bang motherfucker, taste my .

.45 - Defenseless.......:rofl:


There would be no warning shot. There will be a warning call though, to the police. The warning call will be along the lines of "I have just defended myself and the intruder is dead. I am safe as is my family. Please come quick, the blood is ruining my carpet and the dead person has shit their pants, warning, it stinks." :2guns:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Griffin]

Griffin, you are out for a jog. You've just passed the Tui Glen Dairy when the cops arrive (armed holdup callout). They think you are the robber. Yell out to stop. You have no idea it's you they are talking to. Bang! One between the shoulder blades.
Still want them armed?

As a matter of fact YES I do still want them armed. Chances of me being out for a jog are slim... however, should I be out and I see cops turn up and hear them yell out to stop... then stop I shall, as should everybody within earshot. It will soon become apparent who they are talking to and if they've got the wrong man it will get sorted in the subsequent discussion.

The thing is that bugger all people in NZ and in particular the criminal element have any respect for the Police. Talking a criminal out of violent behaviour may work once in a while but more often than not the cops get nothing but abuse hurled back. That would happen a lot less if the Cop had his firearm drawn (and yes there are the cases where firearms still dont work... that is when the trigger gets pulled). I have been out with the Police and witnessed many incidents where I have thought a firearm or even a Tazer would have been warranted. Not necessarily to be fired but as a deterrant.

Dont get me wrong - Im not JUST for arming the Police... Im also for making life mean LIFE, prison cells 6ft square and concrete, Prison meals bland and repetitive, bringing back hard labour and chain gangs, minimising criminals rights, justice for victims of crime and corporal punishment in schools.

NZ is a Country where the namby pamby, left wing, politically correct, tree hugging do gooders have all the say and the majority are left wondering WTF.

About time it changed :spanking:

[mstriumph]

don't break the law you won't get tasered...????

yeah
history proves that the authorities never intefere with law-abiding citizens ... NOT :yawn:




........ and I haven't hugged a tree in ..... well ..... HOURS!!

[mstriumph]

No...the second shot is in the ceiling....the "warning shot"!

sadly enough, when i was taking my firearms licence test in RSA that's EXACTLY what the police officer in charge instructed me ......


sadly enough, were i armed and under imminent threat of my life, that's exactly what i would do.

[jrandom]

sadly enough, when i was taking my firearms licence test in RSA that's EXACTLY what the police officer in charge instructed me ......

They have 'warning shots' in RSA?

I thought you could take kaffir scalps into the local copshop for cash rewards. Enterprising suburbanites would dangle electronic consumer goods as bait outside their lounge windows when game was scarce, etc.

[FJRider]

I think (occasionally) that if given a choice between getting shot by...
a. A Taser.
b. A Glock.

mmmmmm... personally I would choose option a. ...any guess's why...

[avgas]

i'd rather be tazered than shot.
bullets kill these days, and the cops aim is shit so they will never just shoot something like my arm - or mabey im not hard enough, and should just get shot.
Either that or give the cops slug guns - and all thats gonna do is just piss me off

[FJRider]

The last guy they shot lost his leg...

[FJRider]

sadly enough, when i was taking my firearms licence test in RSA that's EXACTLY what the police officer in charge instructed me ......


sadly enough, were i armed and under imminent threat of my life, that's exactly what i would do.

I'm ex Army... what are "warning" shots. Have a weapon.... use it.

[<Rhino>]

As a matter of fact YES I do still want them armed. Chances of me being out for a jog are slim... however, should I be out and I see cops turn up and hear them yell out to stop... then stop I shall, as should everybody within earshot. It will soon become apparent who they are talking to and if they've got the wrong man it will get sorted in the subsequent discussion.

The thing is that bugger all people in NZ and in particular the criminal element have any respect for the Police. Talking a criminal out of violent behaviour may work once in a while but more often than not the cops get nothing but abuse hurled back. That would happen a lot less if the Cop had his firearm drawn (and yes there are the cases where firearms still dont work... that is when the trigger gets pulled). I have been out with the Police and witnessed many incidents where I have thought a firearm or even a Tazer would have been warranted. Not necessarily to be fired but as a deterrant.

Dont get me wrong - Im not JUST for arming the Police... Im also for making life mean LIFE, prison cells 6ft square and concrete, Prison meals bland and repetitive, bringing back hard labour and chain gangs, minimising criminals rights, justice for victims of crime and corporal punishment in schools.

NZ is a Country where the namby pamby, left wing, politically correct, tree hugging do gooders have all the say and the majority are left wondering WTF.

About time it changed :spanking:

I agree with you here, we have become very over regulated, hell your not even aloud to smack your kids anymore...:wait: You can however points your finger and say, you've been a very naughty boy :nono: for the good that'll do..

Give em guns, give em tazers, I for one have seen the police on the other end of violence and patched them up afterwards, in fact I've even had one his body on the line when I was getting pushed around by somone I was trying to treat. As said before, they do a job that bugger all other people want to do for a hell of a lot less then most that don't raise a finger, get off their backs and put your money where you mouth is and help make our communities better safer places to live, then there would be no need for tazers or guns!

[FJRider]

........ and I haven't hugged a tree in ..... well ..... HOURS!!

Remember... "interfering" with a tree in a public place is an offence.
In this P.C. world... did the tree give you permission for you to "hug" it...???

[mstriumph]

..................
I'm sick and tired of people giving cops shit, they're doing a hard job that few people want to do, and the fact that many people go out of their way to make a cops job difficult pisses me off...........................

erm - generalizations are so infrequently apt ...... if a police-person DESERVES shit on an individual basis i really see no problem in them getting it

- call it behaviour modification therapy, a lesson in customer relations, an indication of what your ultimate employer [the general public] expects of you as regards on the job courtesy, call it what you will. I see no reason that the same standards of civility shouldn't apply to the police as are expected to the rest of us plebs.

Yes - i got a ticket this week :doh:
- the infant police couple's marvelous hand-held machine [which must have been pointed at me through moving traffic and half a dozen random pedestrians from the vantage point where they were using it.......] allegedly clocked me at an impossibly high speed pulling away from a roadworks [it's a GETZ for gawd's sake - it couldn't DO zero to 100 in the 100 odd meters concerned even if it's arse was on fire ......]

logic made no impression on the infants who were immune to the humour of the situation, stuck their pointly little heels in and became increasingly obdurate and - well, 'smirky' seems to be the only applicable word ........ nasty it was :no:

well - since they were deaf to commonsense and it is lengthy, inconvenient, expensive and pointless to persue such things thru the courts, i was left with no alternative

i cursed them

i did it with a certain amount of sadness - and no small compassion for their youth and inexperience .... but i saw no alternative

so - IF they ever decide on a european holiday [and what young red-blooded ozzie doesn't] and happen to be passing through France under a new moon.....they will turn into frogs

the french national cuisine will then take care of the matter and honour will be satisfied :2thumbsup

[mstriumph]

Remember... "interfering" with a tree in a public place is an offence.
In this P.C. world... did the tree give you permission for you to "hug" it...???
it barked at me
wouldn't leaf me alone
- so i hugged it in self-defence :whistle:

[NighthawkNZ]

........ and I haven't hugged a tree in ..... well ..... HOURS!!

but that in itself would get you tasered as i'm sure its breaking the law somehow?

[FJRider]

it barked at me
wouldn't leaf me alone
- so i hugged it in self-defence :whistle:

Could you not try "arbourtration" ...???

[MSTRS]

Dont get me wrong - Im not JUST for arming the Police... Im also for making life mean LIFE, prison cells 6ft square and concrete, Prison meals bland and repetitive, bringing back hard labour and chain gangs, minimising criminals rights, justice for victims of crime and corporal punishment in schools.

NZ is a Country where the namby pamby, left wing, politically correct, tree hugging do gooders have all the say and the majority are left wondering WTF.

About time it changed :spanking:

Oh that it were so.

[alanzs]

They have 'warning shots' in RSA?

I guess that's the difference between the NRA and the SRA, the NRA has no warning shot. I was NRA trained, you pull it out and point it, its for using deadly force. Isn't that what they are for?

:shit:

[Griffin]

The last guy they shot lost his leg...

AND... deservedly so - he should have lost a lot more, the lowlife scum sucking piece of filth that he is. Its bastards like that that absolutely reinforce my view that the Cops should be armed. Talk to his victims families and see if they think the bullet he took was enough in their opinion...

[Patrick]

I'd quite like to take the 5-second Taser ride. Just out of curiosity.

Are you allowed to shoot up any of your mates who want a go, or does the cost of filing the Tasercam footage, etc, mean that you'd get in trouble if you did?

The paperwork alone will cost thousands of trees their innocent lives....


Mouth off all you like and you'll be done for disorderly conduct, and then the little shits will resist arrest and then bzzzt. I would rather have a cop end a dispute decisively with a tazer than have it escalate into a full blown fist fight.

Lets face it, if there is someone that a cop can't subdue by themselves, then chances are they won't sustain any damage from a tazer shot. Maybe, just maybe, the next time they will cooperate.


(I don't know the stats, but I don't think anyone has died directly as a result of a tazer shot)

Most have dicky tickers... but that didn't stop them playing up in the first place, ay?


Think back a few months.

Think Canada,

Think non English speaking male

Think airport.

He wouldnt do as he was told , cos he couldnt speak English.

Police tasered him and he died.

Think non English speaking male would have been shot in his own country...

Think non English speaking male would have been calm when Police in uniform are pointing gun like objects at him... not throwing chairs at them....

Think dicky ticker...



... you're fucked everywhich way! - but at least there is some form of accountability.

Life in prison for killing a cop? (Out in 10 years or so...?) They will pay for my families needs for the rest of their lives?

Accountability? Yeah... right....

The rest of the post was good though... but people don't get shot for being lippy then resisting, so again, it is one step short of being shot with a pistol / rifle. The tazer aint gonna be used in this situation and it will turn into a fist fight or spray.....


i'd rather be tazered than shot.
bullets kill these days, and the cops aim is shit so they will never just shoot something like my arm - or mabey im not hard enough, and should just get shot.
Either that or give the cops slug guns - and all thats gonna do is just piss me off


The last guy they shot lost his leg...

Yep... their aim was shit..... Re-training for those pricks.... Centre of mass... centre of mass.... centre of mass....

[gunrunner]

They would be useful for cooking on the bbq:doh:

[marty]

Funnily enough, I have no fear that I will be tazered or shot by the Police.

On the 2 occasions that I felt the need to pull my firearm, but ended up pepper spraying, I believe a tazer would have been the much more effective disabler.

A tazer wouldn't have saved Duncan's life, Stu Guthrie's life, nor Derek Wooton's life, but it sure as shit would have prevented some serious injuries in the past few years.

[SPman]

The thing is that bugger all people in NZ and in particular the criminal element have any respect for the Police.
So, giving them all guns and expecting them to use them, will give them back the respect of the community and in particular, the criminal element?

Sorry - fear is not respect!

To many people seem to have great difficulty distinguishing between the two - they must have pretty fucked up self esteems.........

[scumdog]

So, giving them all guns and expecting them to use them, will give them back the respect of the community and in particular, the criminal element?

Sorry - fear is not respect!

To many people seem to have great difficulty distinguishing between the two - they must have pretty fucked up self esteems.........

No..but the next time somebody fronts me up with a rifle or length of wood want to see them do the funky chicken:yes:

I don't care about whether THAT kind of sorry-arsed cheese-dick mofo has respect for me or not.

[Patrick]

Lawbreakers have no respect for anything. They can fear having 50,000 volts surge through their limbs.

Law abiders have nothing to fear...