Time to get a new bike

[captain_andrey]

So I get my full next month and I've saved some cash to get a good sports bike. My options are - brand new 600cc or second hand (1 year old max) 1000cc. Here is the thing though, I am kinda scared of 1000cc.

On the other hand a 1 year old 1000cc seems like a much better deal and I always thought it doesn't matter how much power it produces at the wheel, its how much you are willing to use and stay within your riding skill limit.
Also, the looks I get from some people when I say I want to move from 250cc to 1000cc are quite discouraging.

So yeah, on my current short list: R6, ZX6R, R1, ZX10R. Havent had a close look at hondas yet, might consider, but they look kinda small and I'm very tall. Probably wont get a Suzuki, just don't like their looks. Probably cant afford a ducati or triumph.

Please vote and comments welcome.

[EJK]

Whatever you buy, don't forget to add some photographs! :niceone:

[TOTO]

R6 :rockon:

[MIXONE]

Test ride them all and then listen to your guts instict.

[Mully]

675 Daytona.

And then lend it to me.

[captain_andrey]

675 Daytona.

And then lend it to me.

I do like the look, and I could probably stretch the budget for a new one. Who would have one in wellington so I could go have a look?

[MSTRS]

Go with a 600. Well grunty enough for the time being.
I've been looking for HP specs on the Hyobag and can't find them, so I will assume they put out about 35HP. Compare this to the R6 at about 120HP.
Now jump to the thou...at about 180HP.
Yes - it is controlled by the right hand, and those max powers aren't reached until close to redline. But do you really want to upgrade to a bike that will blast past your 250 at it's top speed, without getting out of 1st?

[Owl]

+1 Daytona

Wellington Motorcycles should have them!

[Mikkel]

Get a supersports bike :yes: It'll be plenty fast!

675 or zx6r would be my picks. They will be a handful and a half anyway...

But testriding is the name of the game. Have fun.

[MentalFacility]

If u gonna get a sports 600cc chances to kill your self on thouse are just about the same as you had a 1000cc. Just go with what you like the most.

[Jerry74]

Buy a 1000 !!

How long have you been riding?

[TOTO]

not how long , but how many ks have you done ?

[nudedaytona]

Don't forget the Gixxer750 for something in between. Nothing wrong with Suzuki looks

[McJim]

Moving from a twin 250 to an IL4 Thou'?

Have you considered a Thou' Twin at all? Nicer power delivery and more forgiving if you choose the wrong gear.

My 2c

I'm happy with a 600 twin though and can't understand the allure of an IL4. Each to their own.

[davejenknz]

+1 Daytona

Wellington Motorcycles should have them!

Motorad (The Wellington Triumph dealer) does have them

[fatzx10r]

you say at the start of your thread that your kinda scared of a 1000, so if i were you i would look at a 600. or maybe a vtwin thou, plenty of grunt but alot more user friendly. but it's your choice at the end of the day, so get what bike you like the most i guess

[captain_andrey]

not how long , but how many ks have you done ?

1 year, 10,000k :innocent:

[Jerry74]

I have been riding 14 years and still ride on a 250, due to costs and commuting etc.

I used to ride a GSXR 750R and the difference between a 250 and that was huge, speed, acceleration, handling.

You need to ask are you ready to make that change?

1 year and 10000 km is not really that much riding to climb onto a road rocket.

Have you considered a 750 cc bike still lots of power but not huge amounts of madness.

:eek:

[Kiwi Graham]

Take it easy grasshopper, power is controled by your right hand but sometimes the force can take over!!!!!!!!! Its a big step young skywalker from a 250-1000. Test them all and make a sensible decision. Good luck

[MaxB]

Even some litre twins will top 250 kmh. Exactly how fast were you planning on going?

A 650 Bandit has more than twice the hp of your bike so why not start there and work your way up. More experience and more ks will make you enjoy the big bikes all the better. Your insurance premiums will be lower too.

[justsomeguy]

Hahahahaha, easy Son. Just cos you have a full doesn't mean you can jump off a Hyosung onto a thou... maybe you can, who knows perhaps you're a talented freak like that fella Texmo.

Right.

Go find a 04-07 CBR1000RR - take it for a test ride.

Get onto a clear stretch of motorway, drop your speed to 70kmph, select 3rd gear - twist it.

There - that's what it feels like on one of the slowest, smoothest, friendliest big bikes around.

Think that's too easy?

OK

Go find a 03/04 GSXR1000 or a 04/05 ZX10R - same motorway scenario, except select 2nd gear - twist it. Smiling or have you shit your pants?

Key lesson - go test ride some bikes.


No offence but a Hyosung 250 is a rather slow machine - stepping off that onto an inline four cylinder thou will mean you will ride everywhere like a scrared grandma in 5th gear.... for a while at least.

THEN YOU WILL DIE. Muahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahahhaha:jerry:

[slowpoke]

Why the fixation with a new bike? Mate, I reckon the depreciation far outweighs the extremely fleeting new bike feeling. Buy a nice second hand 'un with some fruit on it and be miles in front.
Rather than a pure sports 600 that is a ferkin' slug unless you are doing over 10krpm I'd be looking at something like a CBR600F4i that is plenty sporty but a bit more user friendly.

[captain_andrey]

OK thanks for all the input. I am now looking at the Daytona more seriously. Seems like its closer to a V-Twin with good low end power and less high end insanity.
Thanks to everyone who suggested naked bikes but I just love the full faired super sports. I may never ride one to its full potential but I wont consider anything else.
And I want new because ... well I can... I worked hard and earned the cash, now i want to treat myself. I still remember the feeling when I got by brand new Hyo, watching it being assembled and I want that feeling back :P

[justsomeguy]

OK thanks for all the input. I am now looking at the Daytona more seriously. Seems like its closer to a V-Twin with good low end power and less high end insanity.
Thanks to everyone who suggested naked bikes but I just love the full faired super sports. I may never ride one to its full potential but I wont consider anything else.
And I want new because ... well I can... I worked hard and earned the cash, now i want to treat myself. I still remember the feeling when I got by brand new Hyo, watching it being assembled and I want that feeling back :P

Good on you mate - CONGRATULATIONS on being in a position to buy new:done:

Now... :devil2: that you are a buyer - go test ride as many bikes as you can - you won't get a chance like this that often - and it'll be a cool experience.

Even test ride bikes you don't like, just so you can see what they feel like - and let us know how you go.

[avgas]

unless your average speed is over 130kph on your hyobag i would avoid anything over 50hp.
but then again its your skin - and i can't peel it from your body or break your bones for you.

How about something like the hyobag GT650?

[raftn]

In your position, i would get the 675...great bikes. my2 cents worth.

[captain_andrey]

unless your average speed is over 130kph on your hyobag i would avoid anything over 50hp.
but then again its your skin - and i can't peel it from your body or break your bones for you.

How about something like the hyobag GT650?

Haven't taken it to the track yet :Police: and its no fun sitting on a red line all day long.
I definitely plan to attend a few track days and get some professional tutoring once I get something decent.

[jrandom]

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[captain_andrey]

nice, you wanna back that up with facts? I think I am a pretty responsible rider.

[glice]

even a 600 will blow your mind. what about something like an sv650

[portokiwi]

Mate 250cc to 1000cc is a huge leap. go in the middle 600-750cc Range. You will get the same emjoyment, the same thrills.

[puddy]

MAN up! Insurance up (both m/cycle and life)! Then buy the 1000! Then somebody can pick up a cheap wreck off trademe the week after next! If you're a good rider then you'll be fine on either. If not, then as above! Good luck.

[kermit63]

675, Street Triple or the new Duc 696.

[mouldy]

Buy a 1000 and die , buy a new 600 and devalue it fast , a 1000 willscare you silly and you'll never ride it properly , same with modern 6 , live with a 400 for a year and then move up . There are old riders and there are fast riders but there are not too many old fast riders .

[Jerry74]

Buy a 1000 and die , buy a new 600 and devalue it fast , a 1000 willscare you silly and you'll never ride it properly , same with modern 6 , live with a 400 for a year and then move up . There are old riders and there are fast riders but there are not too many old fast riders .

Good quote there !!!!

[325rocket]

+1 Daytona

Wellington Motorcycles should have them!

they had a 2nd hand low km one in there a few weeks ago. dont know if its still there though

[imdying]

*snip squid pic*


nice, you wanna back that up with facts?

Facts?

That'd be...

I get my full next month

And...

I am kinda scared of 1000cc.

And...

I always thought it doesn't matter how much power it produces at the wheel, its how much you are willing to use and stay within your riding skill limit.


You say you're scared of thous... have you ridden one yet?

[RON SOAK]

Hey - Dover went from a Hobag to a gixxer thou.
By the time he was on his third one, he was starting to get the hang of it......didn't break any bones, anyway...:Punk:

[jrandom]

Hey - Dover went from a Hobag to a gixxer thou.
By the time he was on his third one, he was starting to get the hang of it...

:lol:

True.

Who's with me in starting the Talk Dover Into Buying Another Bike Now That He's Back Club?

The slow group at trackdays just isn't the same anymore...

[nevets]

I'm kinda in the same spot as you are - except 3 months ahead. I was certain I'd have a new bike within a few days of getting my full, that is, until I started trying some of the machines I dreamed about.

I really *really* wanted a daytona 675, they're an awesome machine, no doubt. But after a 5min ride it was damned obvious it wasn't the bike for me. Ditto for R6, ZX6R.. etc etc.

I'd strongly suggest you pay more attention to older (think early 00's) 400-600's. They've got less poke than the current 600's but are still rockets in comparison to your hyobag.

Someone mentioned the CB600F4i - they're a damned nice bike actually... I'd buy one - if I could just get my hands on one! I made the mistake of test riding, then hesitating on buying, only to have some other bastard take it. Bah!

In the end you have to try them for yourself. I think you'll dismiss the idea of buying a sports 1000 IL4 pretty quick, they're completely fucking mental after being used to a 250.

[svr]

Kinda fun reading all the opinions.
Here's mine: Your goal for the foreseeable future should be to improve your riding. The real problem with 1000's is that they are very hard to ride `well'. For eg, there are multi-NZ champion roadracers who have moved from 600s to 1000s and, in controlled racetrack environments, circulated more slowly. So, you'll actually go a lot slower on a 1000. Also, you'll ride it with less confidence, less mastery, less fun and your skills won't develop as quickly.
If it about the bike get a thou (impresses non-riders...), if its about your riding get an sv 650, a stack of tires and do every track day this summer.
Good luck and stay safe.

[Maha]

Someone mentioned the CB600F4i - they're a damned nice bike actually... I'd buy one - if I could just get my hands on one! I made the mistake of test riding, then hesitating on buying, only to have some other bastard take it. Bah!

In the end you have to try them for yourself. I think you'll dismiss the idea of buying a sports 1000 IL4 pretty quick, they're completely fucking mental after being used to a 250.


Nothing to be affraid of (if you choose he right bike) thats the secret to many K's of biking bliss.
I saw and wanted a YZF600 when I was still on a 250, so I bought it.
Sold the 250, had the Yamaha for less than a year, wanted something bigger. I didnt make a mistake buying the Yamaha (was a little weary of it for the first few rides to be honest) taking off in 2nd etc. But soon realised, I could do with something around that Litre range. By now I was on my full license and bought a Triumph 955i, now I have a brand new CB1300. I have been riding for four and a half years. Choose with your head, dont let anybody else persuade your choice via a poll.

The last part is directed at Captain_Andrey...:yes:

[Oakie]

Get an insurance quote for a 600 and then for a 1000. That my help you decide ... but then again if you can afford either then you can probably afford the insurance. (The petrol and tyres may be a different matter).

[carver]

get a ZX10R!

who gives a fuck, just get it and ride hard!

[svr]

get a ZX10R!

who gives a fuck, just get it and ride hard!

I'll tell you: The person who has to wipe your arse for you every day for 5 weeks when you have two broken collarbones, thats who.

[svr]

Nothing to be affraid of (if you choose he right bike) thats the secret to many K's of biking bliss.
I saw and wanted a YZF600 when I was still on a 250, so I bought it.
Sold the 250, had the Yamaha for less than a year, wanted something bigger. I didnt make a mistake buying the Yamaha (was a little weary of it for the first few rides to be honest) taking off in 2nd etc. But soon realised, I could do with something around that Litre range. By now I was on my full license and bought a Triumph 955i, now I have a brand new CB1300. I have been riding for four and a half years. Choose with your head, dont let anybody else persuade your choice via a poll.

The last part is directed at Captain_Andrey...:yes:

Sorry mate, he's got no experience and, wisely, was asking the advice ( and opinions) of people who've stayed alive in a what is, lets face it, a fucking dangerous game.
A modern 1000 is a total weapon and newbies have no business on them.

[Gremlin]

Facts?... That'd be... And... And...

You say you're scared of thous... have you ridden one yet?
You forgot the part where he has 10k under his belt. :lol:


A modern 1000 is a total weapon and newbies have no business on them.
Too true.

Captain, yes, "its all in how much you twist your wrist", "self control" etc, but believe me, right now, a IL4 1000cc bike can accelerate faster than your brain can actually comprehend. Possibly even a 600. To handle a 1L sportbike, you have to understand suspension loading, slides (and control them) and be prepared for wheels in the air (either or both).

In tight twisty situations, a 600 is often faster, unless there is a talented rider on the thou, because with a thou, its game of throttle opening vs tyre grip. Fancy doing 140kph around a sweeper, sideways, because the up-to-temp rear tyre can't cope?

I currently own a 04 zx10, and while its fun, I've come to realise I simply can't get even close to the limits of a 10 without a racetrack. You can only go so fast, and after that point, your wheels aren't in contact with the ground enough. Dragging cars off the line, I have comprehensively beaten them by 70-80kph (within 50m ish)... and I have just got enough grip so I can really wind it on.

Point is, you are probably attracted to the speed and excitement of a thou, when in reality, a 600 is pretty much as quick, and the thou only makes a diff at speeds well in excess of 200. Now factor in the maintenance costs... tyres last a service interval (or less). Additionally, a "slower" bike can probably go around most corners just as quick as a big sportsbike, if not quicker (cb900 is much easier than my modded zx10)

Having known newbies that have died from biting off too much, my point is not to scare you, but more to educate you on something you haven't done. I would say a 600 is plenty, and please taking the learning nice and slow... :yes:

edit: As for poll choice, I choose 4, a second hand 600... new bikes depreciate a hell of a lot

[Jerry74]

Buy a 750 still heaps of fun, with lots of go

[Maha]

Sorry mate, he's got no experience and, wisely, was asking the advice ( and opinions) of people who've stayed alive in a what is, lets face it, a fucking dangerous game.
A modern 1000 is a total weapon and newbies have no business on them.

Thats why I said ''choose with your head''
Nowhere did I say go buy a litre bike.
I also have asked the same questions before on here and have gone off and bought what I wanted, not what anyone had suggested, but the feedback was a good read.

[carver]

I'll tell you: The person who has to wipe your arse for you every day for 5 weeks when you have two broken collarbones, thats who.

yes, they will care that your giving them work, but they will think you a pussy for loosing it on a big bike...you just got to respect it!