Economy Run

[GSVR]

This ride is open to anyone who reads this. The ride will be slow and more about enjoying the day and open spaces. The route will be scenic and include a short afternoon tea break. Should all be over by 4-5pm. I plan on doing several of these over the next few weeks to make some observations.

The 1st ride will leave from the Ashhurst service station at 1pm sharp on Sunday the 30th August (Tomorrow). All rides will be Sunday afternoons.

The format of this ride:

Every participent turns up at the service station start point and fills their bikes tank and zero their trip meter. The bikes details and odometer is recorded.

We then go on the ride which will be under 200kms so well within the range of most bikes.
At the end of the ride each bike is again filled up and the fuel useage and km/litre calculated. Also the odometer readings can be compared since all bikes should have covered the same distance.

Results are then posted on KB for all to ponder.

Hope some of you riders that are put off by the longer touring bike rides turn up. Would be great to see some really old classics too!

Any questions post here or PM.

[Monamie]

What a fantastic idea. I have wondered-since I am in the market for a bike-how economical other breeds of bikes are. I can't make tomorrow but keen for the next one.:Punk: Supposed to be a cracker day too damn it:angry::bye:
Enjoy

[oscarnz]

Awesome idea, I will be in for this.
Cant make tomorrow but will be in for the next one.

[banditrider]

Can't make tomorrow's run - gonna do that charity ride over in Wanganui, but will try to make one. Concours's current average economy is around 5.8L/100km and has used as little as 5.5 at times. VTR's is around 6.6L/100km (haven't ridden it much and it does like to play up).

Hopefully will get the chance to run them both against the crowds. Anyone got a big single?

[Bren]

nice idea...i will be keen once i am up that way!

[ynot slow]

Will be keen if head is clear,mind you my economy is crap,200k for 15ltrs is prediction.

[CookMySock]

cool idea, I was thinking the same. Can't make it - too far away, but FYI in touring mode, my GT650R gets about 350km on 15 litres of high octane - add that to your results if you want. 4.3 L/100km, or 66 mpg.

Have fun!
Steve

[Horse]

Would love to come, but as I told everyone at dinner tonight, I'm going to be working all day tomorrow. I'll hopefully join in another one in the future.

BTW I can post my spreadsheet of virtually every fill of petrol I've given my bike since I bought it last November, if you like. Not that I'm a nerd or anything. :) :)

[98tls]

Would love to come, but as I told everyone at dinner tonight, I'm going to be working all day tomorrow. I'll hopefully join in another one in the future.

BTW I can post my spreadsheet of virtually every fill of petrol I've given my bike since I bought it last November, if you like. Not that I'm a nerd or anything. :) :) :sweatdropAm trembling in anticipation.:sweatdrop

[chanceyy]

would be keen for this too Garry .. but alas going on other ride tomorrow .. so hopefully next time (will depend on dates)

[GSVR]

Great day for riding with Bluebird conditions over the central north island. I'm off to check out the classic bike meeting at Manfeild (CMRR) this morning and will be at Ashhurst Mobil from 12.45pm. Won't be too dissapointed if no one shows like how long has it been since we've had a Sunday this good!

[86GSXR]

Good idea Gary, I'll be keen for some of the future rides. I have a computer on the Tiger that does lot's of amazing things which should be good fun to compare with actual results :yes:

[ynot slow]

Good idea Gary, I'll be keen for some of the future rides. I have a computer on the Tiger that does lot's of amazing things which should be good fun to compare with actual results :yes:

Friggin geek,lucky b.stard.

[GSVR]

Three bikes turned up today. Me on the SV650, Polly on the Hayabusa 1300R, and Ferris on the Triumph 1050 Speed Triple. We all filled up at Mobil Ashhurst and took Speedo readings as well as zeroed trip meters. We all run 95 octane. Ride was mainly twisties with occasional straight roads. Pace was relaxed and enjoyable but still stimulating. Ride covered just over 200km when we stopped at Mobil Manfield to fill again.

There are some explainations at this point to explain some of the odometer differences.
Pollys Hayabusa has non standard gearing which makes his speedo read around 6% over. I have a 70 section front (60 is standard) so my speedo reads slightly under.

GSVR,Suzuki SV650, 199.4 km, 10.32 litres.
Ferris, Triumph Speed Triple 1050, 205.2 km, 12.63 litres.
Polly , Suzuki Hayabusa 1300, 223km, 14.18 litres.

I was very happy with the consumpion on the SV. I didn't work the gearbox as much as I normally would and probably saved a few litres of fuel.

Because the distance covered is so close to 200 km you can get the litres per 100km by dividing the fuel usage by 2. eg the SV is around 5.15 the Triumph 6.3 and Busa 7.1.

Thanks to Polly and Ferris for turning up and Polly for shouting the beers at the Station Hotel. Good to check out a couple of different roads even if one turned to gravel.

[shafty]

Thanks for sharing the info - real interesting and it would be great to see a comparision between a dozen or more bikes.

[ynot slow]

Missed you guys by 10 mins or so,arrived at 1.10pm or so,was delayed due to some idiot who put fuel cock on prime as bike hadn't been started for a while,then shot up town to see 86,chanceyy and rob away.Went home to chuck on leathers,headed off and just prior to Ashhurst splutter and thought wtf,checked fuel cock and still on prime.Doh flicked it to proper place and away we went.

Wasn't too worried as we decided to go around the track and went through to Mangatoinoka for coffee and toasted sammies nice too,then back to town,was a good ride,man those wind towers are impressive up close,met a couple half way along track from Bulls area.

[Owl]

Cheers Gary & Polly for the cruisy ride (:2thumbsup for the handle Polly).

[sinfull]

Cheers Gary & Polly for the cruisy ride (:2thumbsup for the handle Polly).
Sounds like the triples doing about the same as yours man, wish i'd reset the counter b4 the track day friday lol be interesting to see what it does on the track

[Owl]

Sounds like the triples doing about the same as yours man, wish i'd reset the counter b4 the track day friday lol be interesting to see what it does on the track

Full throttle and it drinks fuel. In saying that, I was running a fuel map that had me getting 4.6ltr/100km at 100kph. My current map shows 5.5ltr/100km at the same speed yet the bike runs way better. I've still yet to load the big HP map which is supposed to produce 130+rwhp. I need a bloody laptop out in the shed, cause it's a pain in the arse having to cart my PC out there everytime I want to fiddle and no, not :tugger:

[ajturbo]

my mate's RZ500 got 5mpg once....
on the same run a gn 250 got 98mpg....

[Grub]

Good idea guys. I'm afraid I'm like 98tls, I've kept a spreadsheet of every fill for the last 2 yrs.

My 2000 CBR600 gets
91 Octane (1%) - 6.10l/100k (16.38km/l or 46.27mpg) tank range 286kms
95 Octane (72%) - 5.39L/100k (18.42km/L or 52.68mpg) tank range 322kms
98 Octane (27%) - 5.05L/100k (19.82km/L or 56mpg) tank range 347kms

On 95 I get 9.95km/$ and on 98 I get 10.7km/$ so running 98 is MORE economical because it delivers better power and requires less throttle opening.

[banditrider]

Good idea guys. I'm afraid I'm like 98tls, I've kept a spreadsheet of every fill for the last 2 yrs.

You're definitely not the only one. Have never really compared different fuels - might be a good idea to try it on the Honda seeing as she likes gas and has a smaller range than the Connie.

[GSVR]

Weathers not looking that great for Sunday but if its reasonably dry I'll be heading down to drop in to the sprints at Carterton. The backroads there and back are a good ride. Wont be staying at the sprints long more about the ride. Should be around 200kms for return trip.

Edit: scrap the comments about the weather its actually now looking mint on the met website

[chanceyy]

Weathers not looking that great for Sunday but if its reasonably dry I'll be heading down to drop in to the sprints at Carterton. The backroads there and back are a good ride. Wont be staying at the sprints long more about the ride. Should be around 200kms for return trip.

Edit: scrap the comments about the weather its actually now looking mint on the met website

Will be heading back from the naki ... wonder if it would help your econ run if i do the milage & petrol thing for the entire trip.. let me know

[GSVR]

Will be heading back from the naki ... wonder if it would help your econ run if i do the milage & petrol thing for the entire trip.. let me know

Thanks Sandra but I'm really only interested in comparing results head to head as then everyones done exactly the same hills, conditions etc.

That and my own experiments with riding style etc.

Just bit of fun. I don't look at manufacters figures as they can be very misleading and open to rigging like their weights are...

Have a good ride the weathers awesome aye.

[Bonez]

What time are you heading off on Sunday Gary?

[GSVR]

What time are you heading off on Sunday Gary?

I think 1pm Sharp at BP Fitz this time. Open to suggestion at this stage of course.

[Bonez]

I think 1pm Sharp at BP Fitz this time. Open to suggestion at this stage of course.So if leaving at 1.00pm be there by 12:30 ;).

[GSVR]

So if leaving at 1.00pm be there by 12:30 ;).

As long as your ready to leave at 1.00pm with a full tank of gas all good. Turn up at 1.01pm and you will have missed the ride.

[yod]

whats the route plan gary, or just take it as it comes?

[GSVR]

whats the route plan gary, or just take it as it comes?

Backroads and make it different each way. Take in the Gladstone cliffhanger road on the way there or back. On the way back is probably better as you ride it the right way.

Just looking at the map it may end up being closer to 250 KM

[chanceyy]

Thanks Sandra but I'm really only interested in comparing results head to head as then everyones done exactly the same hills, conditions etc.

That and my own experiments with riding style etc.

Just bit of fun. I don't look at manufacters figures as they can be very misleading and open to rigging like their weights are...

Have a good ride the weathers awesome aye.

No problem - Will get to try one of these rides soon :lol: be interesting info for sure :yes:

[banditrider]

Will be in the 'naki in my gas-guzzler this weekend. Shame 'cause at the 'mo it'd be quite easy to get good economy on the Connie.




Gee what a lot of apostrophe's in this post...

[Horse]

Would love to come, sounds like a good route, and I'm genuinely curious to see what mileage the new bike gets, but I'm on call this weekend so I'm not allowed to go quite that far afield. Have fun!

[GSVR]

Well. I know who wont be showing. Same deal as last time I'll turn up 15mins before the ride and if anyone shows then all good.

Leave at 1 pm Sharp BP Fitz her bit. Weathers still looking good so I'm riding even if no one shows.

[Owl]

I may see you there Gary, but it depends on how I'm feeling. Just getting over the flu and I have a big night out Saturday.:sick:

[polly]

I am about to put my gear on and set off to Carterton, as I want to get there before 9am so that I can enter the sprints. So may catch up with some of you latter.

[Owl]

Have a good ride polly!:niceone:

[GSVR]

I am about to put my gear on and set off to Carterton, as I want to get there before 9am so that I can enter the sprints. So may catch up with some of you latter.

Awesome Martin. The Busa should do really well.

[Meanie]

I am about to put my gear on and set off to Carterton, as I want to get there before 9am so that I can enter the sprints. So may catch up with some of you latter.

You should be right up there with a busa
Have a safe one

[polly]

Yes it went OK.
I did 3 standing quater mile runs, 11.2 then 10.9 then 9.92. The first two had loads of wheel spin through the first 3 gears, for last one I let the tyre down to 20psi and did a short burn out before the run, it still had some wheel spin so it should go a bit quiker yet. On the flying quarter it only did 270km ( speedo said 300km ) due to being 1 tooth down on the front with the gearing. Probably will go back to the next meeting with standard gearing back on, and the Suzuki top gear timing retard disabled.

It was a good day out, and a good ride back with the some of the Manawatu Riders.

[Meanie]

So its off to buy a new back tyre tomorrow then

[GSVR]

Yep good run going under 10 sec. Should have changed the gearing for the flying.

We rode pretty conservatively to the sprints and gassed up at Masterton on the way home at 148.4 KM on Al's speedo.


LisyLu ZXR400H2 (91)
6.97 litres 4.6 litres/100km
SlyDesigns Honda NC29 400 (98)
7.01 litres 4.7 litres/100km
GSVR Naked K3 SV650 (91)
7.17 litres 4.8 litres/100km
86GSXR Triumph Tiger 1050 (98)
7.60 litres 5.1 litres/100km
Bonez Honda TT400 (91)
7.65 litres 5.15 litres/100km
SarahVet Triumph Daytona 955 (unknown)
7.97 litres 5.37 litres/100km


Last runs figures: 205.2 km on Ferris Speedo (same as Al's) all on (91)

GSVR,Suzuki SV650 Faired
10.32 litres. 5.02 litres/100km
Ferris, Triumph Speed Triple 1050
12.63 litres. 6.15 litres/100km
Polly , Suzuki Hayabusa 1300r
14.18 litres. 6.9 litres/100km


I enjoyed the ride. Apologies for the delays.

[86GSXR]

That was a really good ride Gary. Amazing to see how new technology enables bikes twice the capacity plus to consume the same amount of fuel. Very interesting. Good fun at the sprints, I will try and get the Gixxer over for the next one, it should be capable of some good times.

[GSVR]

That was a really good ride Gary. Amazing to see how new technology enables bikes twice the capacity plus to consume the same amount of fuel. Very interesting. Good fun at the sprints, I will try and get the Gixxer over for the next one, it should be capable of some good times.

Argh but you are running 98 so your figures may be distorted. Maybe the figures should read $ /100KM. I should do 98 next time.

I reacon the biggest upset there was Bonez. I was expecting to see much better figures. Could be he has a worn needle in his carb!

As for the Sprints if you look at the thread theres a bit of fall out going on over the number of entries. You may well find the next ones got an entry cap which would mean getting an entry in or risk missing out.

[Bonez]

Argh but you are running 98 so your figures may be distorted. Maybe the figures should read $ /100KM. I should do 98 next time.

I reacon the biggest upset there was Bonez. I was expecting to see much better figures. Could be he has a worn needle in his carb!

As for the Sprints if you look at the thread theres a bit of fall out going on over the number of entries. You may well find the next ones got an entry cap which would mean getting an entry in or risk missing out.Not too upset Gary about fuel figures, was in fourth a lot due to headwinds ;) I'm generally happy with around 300kms per 14 litres. I'll give 95/98 a go next time just for fun.

FI is the way to go due to its better metering of fuel. There's been a 20 year advancement in technology afterall. Impressed with the wee 4s fuel usage.

[Owl]

Gone quiet in here Garry. I hope you haven't given up on it. I've got a ride planned for today, but maybe next week!:niceone:

[GSVR]

Gone quiet in here Garry. I hope you haven't given up on it. I've got a ride planned for today, but maybe next week!:niceone:

Would have gone on the ride to Wellington today if I didn't have other stuff on. Saw a group of about 8 bikes off this morning at 7.30am.

Next Saturday is the Vic Club racing but Sunday would be a good day again.

Will post closer to the day dependant on weather but probably just the same deal again if people are keen. 1pm departure from a local servicestation

[Owl]

Cool!:yes:

[ynot slow]

Speedo set to 000km,fill up at Paramata? today 168km for 9.3ltr $18.61 91 octane,not too bad for an oldie.Came home from 168km and reading 385km and needle just into red zone,was chasing tigers,bandits and hog replicas from Levin turnoff,and they were going quick on our private closed road,especially when the cop car was spotted in front of the van.:2guns:

[Owl]

Argh but you are running 98 so your figures may be distorted. Maybe the figures should read $ /100KM. I should do 98 next time.

I just did a 98 run and rode like a nana for 133.4km. Bike still took 8 litres, so it equates to 5.99lt/100km.:( I'm going back to 95 in a big hurry.

[sinfull]

I just did a 98 run and rode like a nana for 133.4km. Bike still took 8 litres, so it equates to 5.99lt/100km.:( I'm going back to 95 in a big hurry.
Mmmmm did an oil change yesterday so disconected the battery as its the easiest way for me to keep track of what kms i done (memory like a sieve here)
Your post prompted me to go have a look and mmmmmm mine says 5.6lt/100km over the 300 odd km i did today !
Did notice the drop in the cost of feul though lol $5 less to fill up today !

[Owl]

Mmmmm did an oil change yesterday so disconected the battery as its the easiest way for me to keep track of what kms i done (memory like a sieve here)
Your post prompted me to go have a look and mmmmmm mine says 5.6lt/100km over the 300 odd km i did today !
Did notice the drop in the cost of feul though lol $5 less to fill up today !

You rely on that computer?:laugh:
I only tried it because I saw that Al's Tiger was getting 5.15lt/100km on 98 and I thought it may be a well kept secret. I guess the Tiger is a little more aerodynamic than mine. Fuel maps play a big part too and the one I'm running is not the most economical, however I like instant grunt......and that I have!:banana:

[sinfull]

You rely on that computer?:laugh:
I only tried it because I saw that Al's Tiger was getting 5.15lt/100km on 98 and I thought it may be a well kept secret. I guess the Tiger is a little more aerodynamic than mine. Fuel maps play a big part too and the one I'm running is not the most economical, however I like instant grunt......and that I have!:banana:

Only rely on it to keep tabs on oil changes lol
Would be interesting to calibrate it though, see where it's at ! Sure as hell were no nanas out there today haha went looking for corners and Heidi had her head pressed to the back of mine through most of em (probably snoozing knowing her lol) If mine does callibrate up to be correct, that map of yours will sure as hell be a thirsty one !
Was running 95 today but have to say i dont seem to notice bugger all difference in power between 98, 95 and 91 only in the pocket lol they recon the higher octane is only good for the older bikes that may preignight !
Might do a calibrate tommorra (and just try and remember to do another change at 10000 haha) just for the hell of it, but only for a short trip from one gas station to the next down SH1 Otaki to plimerton or sommit !

[Owl]

I might disconnect the battery and have a go myself. Most maps I've tried seem to have a lean area around 4000-5000rpm (cruise region) and are quite economical, but seem to lack instant throttle response. I'll talk to Kerry Wallis about it and see what he reckons, after all it's his map.

[GSVR]

Ride leaving Ashhurst at 1.00pm. Weathers looking ok will decide route before departure depending on who turns up.

[Meanie]

Doing the four points run down to Lake ferry today Gary, have a safe one

[GSVR]

Well todays economy run was eventful and a new record was established for the shortest distance covered on a full tank of gas.

Looking forward to hearing from the guys that did the ride to Lake Ferry as I heard a rumour about a certain American icon.

[Owl]

Well todays economy run was eventful and a new record was established for the shortest distance covered on a full tank of gas.

I covered 471km on our ride today and used 30.2 litres of fuel 6.41lt/100km.
I reset my computer and that reads 5.7lt/100km (Tui ad).


Looking forward to hearing from the guys that did the ride to Lake Ferry as I heard a rumour about a certain American icon.

:whistle:

[Bonez]

Well todays economy run was eventful and a new record was established for the shortest distance covered on a full tank of gas.

Looking forward to hearing from the guys that did the ride to Lake Ferry as I heard a rumour about a certain American icon.They don't make rubber bands like they use to Gary. Well we really don't know how long the final drive belt has been on the beasty. All got home safe though by the looks, one way or the other. Not a good day at all for Manawatu owned american assembled/designed products today. Horse should be all set for next weekend though. The Buell should be covered under warrenty.

Gerble covered 491kms today from Ashhurst. Didn't take too much notice of how much fuel I used but hit reserve before I got home.

[GSVR]

Going to go out for a ride this afternoon if anyones interested. Will gas up at BP Fitzherbert and leave there at 1pm sharp to head over the track and do some east side roads.

[banditrider]

I saw ya - at Ashhurst. Was on my way back from Napier - talk about rain! Best economy of the day by the Honda was 6.19L/100km. Not too bad for it...

[GSVR]

I saw ya - at Ashhurst. Was on my way back from Napier - talk about rain! Best economy of the day by the Honda was 6.19L/100km. Not too bad for it...

Yep thought that was you. You got better mileage than the SV then but we did alot of riding in lower gears.Wasn't really expecting anyone to show at such short notice but Ferris turned up!


Good ride with no precipitation worth mentioning. Over the track right at Mangamaire in search of a road inland from the highway. Rode till we hit gravel. Asked a farmer on the way back and its about 6kms of gravel to the highway. Crossed the highway and rode to Alfredton then hooked onto 52 to Pongaroa for a beer at the local then home through Makauri Gorge.
Meet Horse on the Glide just before Mangatinoka and had a quick chat. Then on to Woodville and over the Saddle to gas up at Ashhurst.

Just under 200kms all up.

Ferris on 95 did 13.50 litres 6.75l/100km
GSVR on 91 did 12.41 litres 6.2l/100km

[banditrider]

Yep thought that was you. You got better mileage than the SV then but we did alot of riding in lower gears.

:gob:Bit of a surprise there though we were just pootling. We did have to push into a wicked head wind for a while though. BTW, the 6.19 is pretty good for the Honda it's usually closer to 6.5.