Help with my gear?

[Bonmaklad]

Ok So i'm a noobie biker just bought myself a hyon GT250r, passed my test on saturday, love the bike but oh cause I love myself as well.

So my theory was to get full leathers. *cough* saw the price and thought what the hell thats stupid, so my new plan was to get draggin jeans and wear my leather jacket (isn't armoured) but under my jacket i've bought a full exo skeleton Motocross armour thing it's got a hard core back plate shoulder, chest and elbow plates.

Now is this good or should I just stay off of my bike until I get a 2 peice leather set?

If so can someone explain to me the reasons why they are better?

Please be gente i'm a noobie and even though i've wanted a bike for 6 years i've still got my family saying your going to die die you will! so.. umm I love bikes I know i'll come off so whats going to save my life?

[MSTRS]

I know i'll come off so whats going to save my life?

Good gear, good management, good luck.
Tip the scales in your favour by getting the best gear you can afford. Check out TM for used stuff - nothing wrong with that - perhaps think cordura instead of leather for the time being. Have a word with Quasi on here about what he can offer.

[firefighter]

I know i'll come off so whats going to save my life?

those expensive leathers you saw.......oh and luck - lots of luck.

[portokiwi]

Welcome mate, As the others said.... Buy what you can afford, Upgrade as you go along.
They people on the site time to time sell off good gear cheap.
Main thing is Enjoy your bike.

[Bonmaklad]

So is it instant death if you come off? is it the impact of the floor that does it or sudden decrease in speed like hitting a tree?

[klingon]

Bike gear has a couple of main functions. One is to give you some protection if you come off, and the other is to keep you comfortable while you're riding so you can concentrate on riding instead of thinking about how cold you are!

I wear cordura because it's waterproof as well as warm, and also you can buy lots of different bits so you can mix'n'match depending on what you want at the time - I have a summer jacket, a winter jacket (with zip-out liner), winter pants & draggins.

It also depends what kind of riding you'll be doing. All my winter gear is big enough to go over the top of my work clothes because my main use of my bike is for commuting.

Also don't forget gloves & boots.

So far I haven't needed my gear to save my life, but it's nice to know I have a second line of defence if I ever do come off.

For me I wouldn't get value for money out of leathers because I wouldn't wear them often enough.

[disenfranchised]

those expensive leathers you saw.......oh and luck - lots of luck.

Don't scare the guy!!

Depends on what sort of riding you'll be doing.
If you're just going to be starting off in the 50k zones, then the draggin jeans will be fine.
There's no armor in those, so it can still hurt a lot if you land on your knee, but like you've mentioned with your top half, you can get some motorcross armor to wear underneath.

[klingon]

So is it instant death if you come off? is it the impact of the floor that does it or sudden decrease in speed of a tree?

There are all sorts of scenarios.

Sliding along the road you'll need gear that will hold together (especially along the seams), stay covering your skin without riding up (good design, good fit), and not give in to friction and melt with the heat!

For the sudden stop at the end you'll need your armour.

For encounters with other traffic & high speed impacts you'll need plenty of luck!

[MSTRS]

So is it instant death if you come off? is it the impact of the floor that does it or sudden decrease in speed of a tree?

NO. Every crash is different, but rule of thumb is that what you hit will determine the severity of injury. Gear (good or otherwise) can help and that's all.
Sudden deceleration is a killer, and leather is best for that long slide.

[klingon]

I think the most useful advice for you at the moment is to learn to ignore those little voices in your head that say you will come off and you will die! PLENTY of people on this site have been riding for 20, 30, 40 years with no serious injury. When they started riding a lot of the gear we take for granted was not available, and even if it was the 'culture' of biking said you could ride in jeans & a T-shirt.

I'm not saying you should ride without good gear (30 years ago it was acceptable to ride in a car without a safety belt and with a baby in your lap - we have moved on since then). I'm just saying you need to be prepared for the worst but not think it is inevitable.

[Bonmaklad]

ok so what i'm using it for at the moment is commuting but I commute the other way at the moment, i'm out at kumeu but then next month i could be back in town so I guess I need things to go over my suit.

I've got full waterproofs.

I've got at present this set up:

full Motorcross body armour
armour road gloves
work boots (they cover my ankle and I can use them for work)
good helmet
suit trousers slash jeans <<< ahh i know but my theory is I won't die i'll just lose a leg.

[klingon]

I'm currently reading The Biker's Bible by Graham Allardice. (It's a kiwi book and had some very useful info.) He says ride like you're naked and invisible. Apart from being very cold :blink: I think that is excellent advice. Wear all the gear... then ride as if you don't have any gear at all.

[Quasievil]

ok so what i'm using it for at the moment is commuting but I commute the other way at the moment, i'm out at kumeu but then next month i could be back in town so I guess I need things to go over my suit.

I've got full waterproofs.

I've got at present this set up:

full Motorcross body armour
armour road gloves
work boots (they cover my ankle and I can use them for work)
good helmet
suit trousers slash jeans <<< ahh i know but my theory is I won't die i'll just lose a leg.

We got some Kevlar Jeans you can have for $130 I will throw in some knee armour for free, only a few sizes left though, hopefully your small waisted?

[F5 Dave]

All the gear all the time. I hate slogans, but this one makes the best sense. Most accidents happen on short trips (the sort people say I'm only going down to the shops so I won't bother).

Good boots gloves & armoured riding gear. Try Trademe, 2nd hand gear is cheap. Time off work or school can't be replaced so easy & some injurys don't heal. I shudder when I see people riding in trainers- socks as ankle protectors.

Most bike related injurys these days are the legs. Because many don't protect them.

[Bonmaklad]

coolio yeah i know I mean i had my first slight crash during my training and test where i slid out at 20kph and i paniced slightly until i suddenly realized i had the smallest graze on my leg and a bruise popped up a day later, must admit i feel more comfidant now.

[klingon]

ok so what i'm using it for at the moment is commuting but I commute the other way at the moment, i'm out at kumeu but then next month i could be back in town so I guess I need things to go over my suit.

I've got full waterproofs.

I've got at present this set up:

full Motorcross body armour
armour road gloves
work boots (they cover my ankle and I can use them for work)
good helmet
suit trousers slash jeans <<< ahh i know but my theory is I won't die i'll just lose a leg.

My suggestion would be to get a cordura jacket and trou to go over your suit. Warm, waterproof, versatile and relatively cheap. Save up and get the leathers later when you're doing more long-distance riding and when you'll have a better idea of what's around and what will suit you and your lifestyle.

[klingon]

... my new plan was to get draggin jeans and wear my leather jacket (isn't armoured) but under my jacket i've bought a full exo skeleton Motocross armour thing it's got a hard core back plate shoulder, chest and elbow plates...

Just a clarification: is this leather jacket a bike jacket or a dress-style leather jacket?

There is a huge difference in the two. If it's a dress jacket it's unlikely to give you much protection at all as the leather will be too soft, the seams won't be reinforced and the design will be made to look good, not to protect you if you end up sliding along the road.

The armour is better than nothing, but you still need something to prevent skin abrasion.

[F5 Dave]

. . .Save up and get the leathers later when you're doing more long-distance riding . . .

Gee I'd have to totally disagree with that statement. Most accidents happen on short trips. Also you are more likely to have a bin when you are learning.

So on that premise it would be better to buy as good as you can afford and/or go the 2nd hand route until you can afford to upgrade. (excepting helmets of course).

[Bonmaklad]

yeah no it's just a dress jacket really i guess for me I want two things.

protection if I come off but i still want to look good? I know it's a girly thing to say but I just love the whole leathers and bike look.

so the motorcross armour, do you think that is good for impacts? So what i need is protection to keep my skin?

oooo i'm a 34" waist?

[Bonmaklad]

oh ok dave, so your saying that i should get leathers, my motorcross stuff is no good for impacts?

cos my theory was mx cross stuff for impacts and then drggin to keep my skin?

So it's best to sell up and just get full leathers?

[F5 Dave]

Actually I'd say MX stuff is probably good for impacts. But if it isn't built into your gear then it will be a hassle & you won't bother with it.

[Aa7]

buy the best gear you can afford and upgrade when you have more cash - seems to be the repetative answer but this is really the best advise. also always keep on trying to improve your skills, even when you think you are all rossi like and unbeatable your still just a sack of meat and bones sitting atop a bucking lump of metal

my 2 cents - stay away from draggin jeans and buy a set of good leather pants and a courdura jacket with strong armour. cordura pants if you cant afford the leathers but remeber if you bin you'll proably be replacing your cordura gear where leathers will more than likely stand up for some more abuse. if you where wearing draggin jeans then you'll probably have some serious rash to let heal too. i think only scooter riders should wear draggin jeans and/or people who only do only inner city commuting at 50kmh or below. anything above inner city speeds and you'll feel the pain still in draggin jeans. saftey above fashion! put your jeans on when you have finished your ride. oh, cordura is lighter and not as restrictive as leather in your movements so think about that too if you are still unfamiliar and a little shaky on your new ride. it comes down to personal preference and comfort really but my preference is leather. enjoy your new bike :)

[Bonmaklad]

oh no no I will don't worry, i've got to drive along motorways to go to work and cos it's the opposite way, everyone will be doing 100 and there will be me trying to hop along at 70!!

so for now if I wore my mx stuff (minus the elbows - cos they are freaking annoyin) and buy those kevlar jeans with the knee armour in from Quasievil, where my boots and my gloves oh and a helmet. the only thing thats going to annoy me will be losing skin on my upper body cos i'm wearing a designer jacket and not hard leather?

or should I just try and sell that mx armour and just go and buy a leather 2 pc suit today?

[klingon]

Gee I'd have to totally disagree with that statement. Most accidents happen on short trips. Also you are more likely to have a bin when you are learning.

So on that premise it would be better to buy as good as you can afford and/or go the 2nd hand route until you can afford to upgrade. (excepting helmets of course).

Yeah I guess that didn't come out right.

What I meant is, he's commuting at the moment so the best gear for him with his current riding is probably cordura to go over his work clothes. IMO leathers are more suited when you're doing more touring-style riding - you put them on in the morning and keep them on all day. For a commuting it's a hassle to keep changing in and out of leather pants.

As for the jacket, I agree that leather jackets look good on a bike. But you will need something other than a dress jacket if you're looking for protection as well as good looks.

[MSTRS]

oh no no I will don't worry, i've got to drive along motorways to go to work and cos it's the opposite way, everyone will be doing 100 and there will be me trying to hop along at 70!!



or should I just try and sell that mx armour and just go and buy a leather 2 pc suit today?
DO NOT RIDE AT 70kph!!!! You will die (from being run over). If you can't cope with 100kph, then stay the fuck off any road so rated.
And 2nd - yes. It'll basically cost you less if you spend a little more on the right stuff first.

[Bonmaklad]

oh i don't mind driving at 100 but as a learner driver i'm not allowed to.

Ok got my mum looking on trade me (banned at work) to see what leathers they got.

lets see what i come up with. still have to pass my theory though, i've been driving for 5 years now and i keep failing new zealand theory tests :(

[klingon]

oh i don't mind driving at 100 but as a learner driver i'm not allowed to.

This has been discussed a lot on here. The rule was designed to keep you out of 100kph zones. If you are going to ride in 100kph zones, then ride at 100. Do not ride at 70. Technically it is illegal, but safety is more important than legality.

[Bonmaklad]

oh ok I agree to be honest, thing is the roads I have to go along are 80 and 100 there is no back roads that allow less, so it woudl means i can't commute to work safely.

[MSTRS]

If you value you life, but won't exceed the bullshit 70 learner limit...then don't get on a bike.
Simple as that.
Even the pollies have realised that the 70 limit is dangerous and are readying themselves to drop it, along with some other changes to the L/R stages.

[Gremlin]

Remember that every off/incident is different. Some have come off at 200kph and had very little in the way of injuries, others have come off at 60kph and broken bones. Depends on the environment, how you come off, and obstacles you like to hit in the process of slowing down.

Personally, I came off in the soaking wet, thrown onto the road, slid down the road (bike did too) for over 100m and I was doing 90kph. Was wearing a cordura jacket and draggin jeans. Draggins were untouched, jacket, one elbow was scuffed a bit through the outer layer. However, damage was so light because there was pretty much nothing slowing me down, or dragging on the gear (and why I came off in the first place).

Could have been a very different situation in the dry, with the road being rougher.

For first gear, cordura is normally a good compromise between protection and all weather riding. Over time, you will add gear to the collection as you spot stuff you want :yes:

[blairh]

Personally I'm a learner, but I like the idea of doing decent trips down the line. I figured it was best to just go all out and spend the cash on good Quasi leathers now. They're fantastic - comfortable and warm, plus I know they're going to last well and look after me if anything does go wrong. Talk to quasi (I see he's offered a deal to you already on some jeans) and see what they can do - I can't reccommend their leathers (or their service for that matter) highly enough.

[Irontusk]

What brand is your MX armour? I bought all my gear from Holeshot with my bike, Strada jacket+pants (sort of seems like a cheap brand to me!) teknic boots and some armoured gloves. I didn't like the way the inbuilt armour felt like it would just be pushed out of the way in a fall, and I have a bad back so I bought a Thor Impact Rig SE on Trademe then took the armour out of the jacket so it'd fit properly (the MX armour gives ALOT more coverage and moves around much less). I wear it all every time I ride (so I have to leave my work shoes at work, cause they don't fit in my bike). The armour in the pants seems to be pretty shit too, it's supposed to be KNEE armour but they've positioned it to be shin armour. I got to work a few days ago and realised the right knee pad had gone missing, I was bloody confused and found it a few days later layin around home, it some how fell out.

As for attitudes changing since 30 years ago or whatever, a guy I work with used to have a bike as a teenager in south africa before moving here about 8 years ago. He'd do 180km/h with nothing but a helmet, and gives me shit for wearing all the gear, saying "I didn't need it". I think he said he wouldn't wear a helmet if it wasn't law :oi-grr:. I'm happy to wear it all though, it's really warm for one thing!

[Whynot]

umm I love bikes I know i'll come off so whats going to save my life?

No gear apart from a Helmet will save your life ...
All the rest of it does is save your skin and potentially reduce bruising etc.

If you want to stay alive dont crash into anything solid.
The gear is pretty much just to make the slide down the road a bit less painful

[Grub]

If so can someone explain to me the reasons why they are better?

Top marks for thinking about gear. This is all about personal perceptions, here's mine on the differences between the three types of gear ...

Kevlar Jeans: I discount these for the very fact that they have no armour protection. Armour doesn't sound like a big deal until you hit something. That something is of course the road. It doesn't matter at what speed you fall off, there will always be an impact as the first event. Knees and hips are totally vulnerable and in respect of knees, hard to fix. Kevlar jeans, like your helmet, are a one-time use after a bin, throw them away.

Leathers: I have a set for racing because they are undoubtably the best protection when sliding. They also have armour. But ... I don't race for hours at a time at night in zero temps or in the pissing down rain. They would be inappropriate in those cases, you have to buy additional gear to be able to ride in those conditions. Leathers are multi-use in slides.

Cordura: They have armour and they will protect your skin in a slide but they will be damaged. They are water, wind and chill proof. One product meets all the needs above. Cordura gear, might be a one-time use after a bin. Your helmet gets thrown away after a bin - no question. However you may not have to throw your cordura away. KB member Spittie (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=5575) repairs them. He has a stock of coloured cordura for patching up.

It comes down to how often are you planning on binning and whether you ride at night or in rain or in winter.

[CB ARGH]

So is it instant death if you come off? is it the impact of the floor that does it or sudden decrease in speed like hitting a tree?

Holy shit dude you're thinking too hardcore. I've always gone by this quote, "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst". Dude, anything is dangerous these days, you can drown in 2-3cm of water in the kitchen sink. Lighten up a bit I think!

I'm teaching myself the do's and don't, and practicing emergency braking and stuff, but when I get on with the ride, you can't be thinking about death all the time, you've got to enjoy the ride, and just assume that you're an invisible target and everybody's driving drunk and on drugs.

Buy the best that you can afford. That's all I can say. And only buy a brand new helmet. Yeah.

[Bonmaklad]

well since the bank won't let me have any more money i'm a bit buggered at the moment, for the next few weeks i'm just going to have to stick to my mx armour (not sure on brand) my leather jacket yes i know but it is still better then say... nothing. a pair of jeans and my boots oh and my gloves and helmets.

I think everyone has made me want leathers, i see some cool ones on trade me sometimes and mr quizi sells some good stuff if I can raise enough.

We'll see how it goes, i mean I been gearing myself up for a bike for a long time who is to say i'll like driving it on open roads lol.

thanks for all the advice guys.

[Bonmaklad]

wow ok so passed my theory yesterday and drove to work today, much easier then I thought to be honest! loved it!! went on the motorway and i must admit the fast speeds are fun with the wind resistance etc. but overall good laugh, but one thing though my hands are killing me, with sports bikes are they meant to hurt your palms or am i sitting wrong?

[Aa7]

great :) glad to hear your enjoying yourself and are already on the road. the sore hands are more than likely because you where giving the bars 'the death grip' when you where going along the motorway because you where not as comfortable as you should be with the bike yet - dont worry it will come to you soon enough. i think every one who jumps on a bike experiences the death grip at some stage. you'll become more confident as time goes on and wonder why you where ever trying to strangle the bars.

if it is just your palms then maybe you are leaning your upper bodyweight to far forward and the pressure is accumulating in your palms and wrists. try to relax your grip on the bars almost as if your hands could slip off the bars if pushed by someone else but dont let them slip off ;) also grip the tank with your knees and get used to what the bike does when you push on the bars and/or push on the tank with your knees. take the time to get comfortable on your bike, its limitations and yours, the centre of gravity and power of the bike, then you'll enjoy riding much more. maybe think about doing a RSRR course or some of the mentor training / skills evenings that are available. very worthwhile for new and experienced riders alike

[ckai]

Apparently a few people have problems with their palms and wrists on the GT250R's. I haven't really had that problem and I generally do long (1hr +) rides. Agree with Aa7 with putting your weight over your hands and to relax your grip.

Some good advice that was given to me was firm lower body and lose upper body and especially relax your shoulders. Knees into the tank, heels into the little metal plates just behind the pegs and the rest takes care of itself.

Of course this will only help a little if your arms are too short and you're really reaching for the bars. ;) It's something that you work out though. You'll play around with how close/far back you sit and the angle of your wrists. You'll sort it out.

Just to add to the gear thing. I dig the leather look as well but couldn't afford it either. Ended up buying a Strada jacket which is Cordura. Bloody good price for the Strada gear (also have pants). It's a fitting sports jacket which suits the Hyosung for the riding position. Also looks similar to a leather jacket but without the price. I'll end up buying some leathers later when I do track days. For cash strapped, I would recommend them - good price and look real good.

Peace out!

[Quasievil]

well since the bank won't let me have any more money i'm a bit buggered at the moment, for the next few weeks i'm just going to have to stick to my mx armour (not sure on brand) my leather jacket yes i know but it is still better then say... nothing. a pair of jeans and my boots oh and my gloves and helmets.



I got a few bits n bobs around here I can sell you dum cheap or possible lend you, so drop me a pm, what size are you, ie chest and waist ?

Cheers

[Bonmaklad]

ok well i got a jacket on trade me, yeah it's 2nd hand but gotta be better then what i got. it's got armour in back shoulders and chest. he had matching leather pants but they went up too much for me. he also got boots which might be good.

Quasi should i still aim for leather pants? i have between 70-100 left to try and cover my legs, going to try and sell my mx armour stuff on trade me as well, hopefully recover some funds.

[Bonmaklad]

oh yeah i dropped the bike so i've had to buy a new wing mirror and indicator :( stupid kerbs didn't realise a bike couldn't go over one!!

[CookMySock]

i've had to buy a new wing mirror and indicator Yeah oops, that happens. As long as you are near-stopped you get off scot free.. (well mirror and indicator anyway.) The main thing is to able to steer really well with the bars at higher speed.

I was going to suggest pick up some tidy second hand gear, but you have done just that. Keep your ear to the ground also, as deals on newer gear turn up ALL the time.

Congrats on the GT250R. Geez you will look the part in full leather on it. Got matching helmet and tinted visor ? :first:

We went to town today on ours and got accosted by at least 5 different groups of people.. "wow nice bikes you guys!" <a href="http://homepages.inspire.net.nz/~meshnet/bikes/DSCF3138.JPG">pic.</a>

Welcome to KB!

Steve

[alanzs]

So is it instant death if you come off? is it the impact of the floor that does it or sudden decrease in speed like hitting a tree?

To answer the questions: No and yes.

Chances are, you will crash. Almost everyone who has ridden has. Some survive, some don't. Prepare for that crash with the best gear you can afford. Take a motorcycle safety course if you can. Practice, practice, practice. Get involved with the KB mentoring people to get more experience. Go slow. Practice, practice, practice. Read all you can about riding, then ride more. Ride in different conditions. Smile often. Go on group rides and watch others. See what they do that is safe, and not safe. Nothing will help you more than riding. Experience is critical. Go slow.

Riding motorcycles is a blast and a lot of fun, but you need to be aware of the risks.

[aahsv]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Leathers-jackets/auction-174400772.htm

:niceone:

[Owl]

Some awesome advice here.:niceone:

I used to be a leather jacket, jeans rider until I joined this site. After plenty of reading, my attitude started to change and I began upgrading gear as and when I could afford to. I now have a full set of armoured cordura, mesh jacket for really hot days and quality leather jacket. I had a pair of Quasi leather pants, but destroyed them when I binned. Gouged leather pants were an eye opener to what could have been my flesh had I been wearing anything less, yet I was left unmarked.
Good gear is a must!:yes:

[Rob Taylor]

The day they let you race in Cordura is the day i will wear it.Dont fuck around with that shit,only wear leather,good quality natural wear from Christchurch is the best.It will last you for years, and please buy a good quality helmit like Shoei or similar.Go see Kerry Jeffs at KTL motorcycles.He is in the Motorhaus tyres building in western springs road and can supply you with all you need at a bloody good price...Forget about falling off,get it out of your head bro.Stay in the middle of your lane and look for eye contact in rear vision mirrors of cars you are following and watch out for cars pulling out of side streets.DO NOT FOLLOW TO CLOSE. Good luck:scooter:

[Bonmaklad]

thanks guys, some cool advice.

got me boots so it's just leather pants now but.. i'm having to risk it in my jeans for now until i can get some money up.

but omg there is a guy riding around titirangi in a singlet and shorts with sandals :gob:like WTF.

I really want the tinted visor that has the death scull on it :) but I don't knwo where you buy them!

[Irontusk]

sandals

AHH TOES! Sure he's going to lose every inch of skin too, but his toes will be gone.

And what visor is that? Sounds amusing.

[gunrunner]

Ok So i'm a noobie biker just bought myself a hyon GT250r, passed my test on saturday, love the bike but oh cause I love myself as well.

So my theory was to get full leathers. *cough* saw the price and thought what the hell thats stupid, so my new plan was to get draggin jeans and wear my leather jacket (isn't armoured) but under my jacket i've bought a full exo skeleton Motocross armour thing it's got a hard core back plate shoulder, chest and elbow plates.

Now is this good or should I just stay off of my bike until I get a 2 peice leather set?

If so can someone explain to me the reasons why they are better?

Please be gente i'm a noobie and even though i've wanted a bike for 6 years i've still got my family saying your going to die die you will! so.. umm I love bikes I know i'll come off so whats going to save my life?

Have to agree on the price but what price are you worth , im sure if you got in trouble would you be happy with good expensive gear or cheap stuff

[OutForADuck]

Now I did this all the wrong way around????? or maybe not. But you might get something from this. When I was young I rode with alot more skill than I currently possess and raced a lot, I also rode way way to fast everywhere!!

But I refused to even go down to the corner store without full leathers, gloves, etc etc. I trusted and relied on my kit and hated riding around town on hot sunny days or short rides where the hassle outweighted the joy.

As I got older and realised alot of things are going to kill me and life is a risk just breathing and its about management of that risk not elimination of that risk I have got a whole lot more practical and as such enjoy my riding a lot more.

Round town and at lower speeds I often wear draggin jeans and a exoskel suit under a normal leather jacket (sometimes on the scooter just the jacket) with a flip up helmet and light gloves.

On a faster ride I wear expensive boots, fulll leathers, expensive helmet and kevlar gloves.

The balance is skill vs risk vs exposure and its the impact you need to reduce. So I figure round town at slow speeds the risk of an accident is higher but the impact is lower and better gear will mostly make me more uncomfortable and the extra protection will not help that much.

On the track (in reality or in my mind) the risk might be lower of binning (greater focus, less traffic etc) but the impact much greater and I dress accordingly.

My two cents... make a concious decision about what your worth, what the risk is and adjust gear and riding accordingly.

[racefactory]

just wanted to further add- don't drive to that 70 law. You've got to be stupid to. i never did from day 1 as it is completely not needed and draws so much attention thus putting you under pressure and increasing danger, to everyone on road in fact as well as yourself. I suggest leaving your L plates off for this reason, not to mention that L plates in their own right draw attention from boy racers and small cocks who love to treat you like shit and think of themselves as superior- it's true. Like others have pointed out- put yourself before the law dude. Don't worry mate no one put's their plates on anyway. Have fun and take care bro...

[Irontusk]

I've seen quite a few people on here post about being let off for going over 70 (usually cause the cop thinks it's safer to flow with the traffic) but just as many people have been ticketed for not having the L plate on. I have mine on at the moment, just 4 months to go..