View Full Version : 'Chicken Strips' Are they important to you?
Kiwi Graham
1st September 2008, 19:13
I knicked this from another forum, seemed to cause a fair bit of debate!
Don't get me wrong, cause i dont give a rats nugget personally, but are bike dudes still likely to make assessments of 'perceived' status/ability etc around chicken strips, or lack of? Is having no chicken strips akin to casually releasing your 12inch salami to piss on a tree stump in front of your mates, does having balls of rubber hanging of the edges mean you can 'go all night long'? :niceone: Or does having an inch of vigin rubber mean.............. :spanking:
CB ARGH
1st September 2008, 19:17
Please tell me... wtf is a chicken strip? :confused:
Wingnut
1st September 2008, 19:19
Please tell me... wtf is a chicken strip? :confused:
The strip on the edge of your tyres that doesn't get worn off because the bike doesn't get leaned over enough in cornering
CB ARGH
1st September 2008, 19:20
The strip on the edge of your tyres that doesn't get worn off because the bike doesn't get leaned over enough in cornering
Ohhh... if you don't want to look like a chicken then grab some sand paper and scratch it off!
:clap:
James Deuce
1st September 2008, 19:23
Oh FFS how about you use the search function and add your "research question" to the end of the voluminous number of postings already made on the subject?
You don't think this hasn't come up before in over 1,670,000 posts?
McDuck
1st September 2008, 19:28
Well i think the bigger the better in my chicken strips. but then again i hang off when ever i can, gives me a chance to open up my knees, needs i can go 260+ kms without a stop (fuel supply will not allow more)
Kiwi Graham
1st September 2008, 19:28
Oh FFS how about you use the search function and add your "research question" to the end of the voluminous number of postings already made on the subject?
You don't think this hasn't come up before in over 1,670,000 posts?
OFFS, WTF, OMG, LOL........... I wont keep you from counting post. Mmmm hope it keeps you busy :whocares:
Fatjim
1st September 2008, 19:34
Absolutely, and the next time some cock says "you can't get rid of the front ones on the road" go look at MD's or Drews!
Respect.
jamiey
1st September 2008, 19:35
I knicked this from another forum, seemed to cause a fair bit of debate!
Don't get me wrong, cause i dont give a rats nugget personally, but are bike dudes still likely to make assessments of 'perceived' status/ability etc around chicken strips, or lack of? Is having no chicken strips akin to casually releasing your 12inch salami to piss on a tree stump in front of your mates, does having balls of rubber hanging of the edges mean you can 'go all night long'? :niceone: Or does having an inch of vigin rubber mean.............. :spanking:
I think as long as you ride and enjoy it whether it be scraping you knee round every corner, or only twisting the wrist on straights, or just pootling along is what counts, just out of interest tho had a look at mine, over 1cm from the edge:crybaby:
Ah well must mean i need a good :spanking:
Blackshear
1st September 2008, 19:37
Having seen this kinda thread only twice, I'll bite.
I've got about an inch on my 170/70's.
Every time I start getting my lean on, shit scrapes on the ground. First my fat feet, then the base of the peg.
Almost highsided scraping that goddamn peg. Now I slip my ass into the corner and try getting a bitta lean on into the corner =)
Be nice... The Bandit ain't no RS50 in doughnut terms.
TKDSKIP
1st September 2008, 19:41
I like to see a little bit of margin for error on both my tyres.
I dont like the feeling off going over on squared off tyres but a little bit of chicken is all good.
CHOPPA
1st September 2008, 19:42
Absolutely, and the next time some cock says "you can't get rid of the front ones on the road" go look at MD's or Drews!
Respect.
I still have chicken strips on my front tyres i think..... You can still suck at riding and have no chicken strips
Buster
1st September 2008, 19:49
Its still good to have both tyres "scrubbed in" just in case though ;)
Gubb
1st September 2008, 19:53
I still have Responsibility Strips.
Fatjim
1st September 2008, 19:55
I still have chicken strips on my front tyres i think..... You can still suck at riding and have no chicken strips
I'm struggling with the logic in this one.
rainman
1st September 2008, 19:56
What is this "leaning while cornering" you guys keep talking about?
I just steer with my feet... :) :cool:
flame
1st September 2008, 19:58
Egg heads that judge a rider by his duck strips is just gay. Its all about the wheelies don't ya know :shutup::msn-wink:
dipshit
1st September 2008, 20:05
Chicken strips matter an awful lot to the posers and insecure people out there. In fact their motorcycling revolves around them.
Yet interestingly have a look at what someone who can actually ride very fast says about it...
"The bike can't do everything for you and i'm showing them on the tyre where the grip is. So you need to be able to move, you need to be able to get off the bike to get where the grip is so you can open the throttle. All my tyres have a chicken strip as you don't want to be working on the edge of the tyre, you want to be on the meaty bit." ... Aaron Slight.
CookMySock
1st September 2008, 20:06
I use my strips and other tyre wear patterns to give me feedback on my riding. For a while, I felt as if I could corner to the left better than I could to the right. Looking at my tyre patterns this is not so. I corner identically both ways.
I don't care if more experienced riders look down their nose at my strips, not that they ever have IRL, except on this forum, where many people are highly derogatory about almost any subject they can muster.
I had about 1cm of strip left on the rear 160/60/17 before it wore out. I'm quite proud of that actually, considering its a 650 and I'm on my learners (exemption) and I've never had any sort of incident on it. What more is a newbie expected to be capable of ?
Yes, I think they are important to me. They are not relevant to anyone else.
DB
98tls
1st September 2008, 20:08
Chicken strips matter an awful lot to the posers and insecure people out there. In fact their motorcycling revolves around them.
Yet interestingly have a look at what someone who can actually ride very fast says about it...
"The bike can't do everything for you and i'm showing them on the tyre where the grip is. So you need to be able to move, you need to be able to get off the bike to get where the grip is so you can open the throttle. All my tyres have a chicken strip as you don't want to be working on the edge of the tyre, you want to be on the meaty bit." ... Aaron Slight. Same guy said "go round every corner as though you dont know whats around it".
Kiwi Graham
1st September 2008, 20:21
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Ah well must mean i need a good :spanking:
I'm sure that can be arranged dude, give it a couple of hours and get youself down to K'road :spanking: :nono: :doctor:
CookMySock
1st September 2008, 20:27
"The bike can't do everything for you and i'm showing them on the tyre where the grip is. So you need to be able to move, you need to be able to get off the bike to get where the grip is so you can open the throttle. All my tyres have a chicken strip as you don't want to be working on the edge of the tyre, you want to be on the meaty bit." ... Aaron Slight.Is this online somewhere ? Google cant find it for me.
He is choosing what part of the tyre he has on the ground, by moving his weight off and conserving his angle of lean ?
Thats very interesting. Many thanks.
Steve
Wingnut
1st September 2008, 20:32
I quite like fried chicken.
:woohoo:
ital916
1st September 2008, 20:39
only important when served with a large potato and gravy.
Kiwi Graham
1st September 2008, 20:40
Is this online somewhere ? Google cant find it for me.
He is choosing what part of the tyre he has on the ground, by moving his weight off and conserving his angle of lean ?
Thats very interesting. Many thanks.
Steve
Prob in his book, this guy is a legend. You ride bikes at his level and your able to judge what part of the tyre is in contact with the surface and getting hotter than another! Simply put if you move the centre of gravity inside and down ie, your weight. you can corner quicker for less lean angle resulting in more of the 'meat' of the tyre on the ground. He's wasted driving cages :crybaby:
dipshit
1st September 2008, 20:44
Is this online somewhere ? Google cant find it for me.
It's in the June Bike Rider magazine.
He is choosing what part of the tyre he has on the ground, by moving his weight off and conserving his angle of lean ?
More importantly he is sacrificing apex speed in order to be more upright so he can get on the gass sooner and harder... thus be quicker around a track than most bunnies.
speights_bud
1st September 2008, 20:51
Doesn't worry me, The front on the rg still has strips, the rear not so much, just the tyre choice and riding style i guess, i'd rather have that extra footprint on the track for the front.
As for the 125, that still has chicken strips, even though i've had the engine casings grinding mid corner :crazy:
Jerry74
1st September 2008, 20:53
it don't really matter to me as long as I don't come off
Swoop
1st September 2008, 20:59
A good dose of asian bird flu, will get rid of them for you.
Fatjim
1st September 2008, 21:02
Egg heads that judge a rider by his duck strips is just gay.
Thats cause yours are about an inch wide at the moment chook, and don't deny it, I checked the other night:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Teezer
1st September 2008, 21:04
From road racing and riding, I've noticed that the reality is it just makes no odds as to your level of perceived 'ability'. Much is down to tyre profile too, as well as how much you hang off. I'd hang off like a money (cos am a fat coont and would grind out all over the shop otherwise) and would have big strips. My mate was a skinny beggar and wouldn't hang off at all. We were always within 1sec of each other, and he'd often ride to the edge.
Any fool who judges me on my chicken is welcome to his opinion as I simply won't give a shit.
I prefer to let my riding do the talking, and when the posing wankers catch up 10 minutes later with their sliders untouched and their bike hardly up to temperature, I'll be into my 2nd bacon sammie and about to head off.
BAD DAD
1st September 2008, 21:09
Chicken strips on my bike not as important as Stripping chicks.
manwithav8
1st September 2008, 21:10
I pay for a certain amount of tyre, therefore I like to use that certain amount of tyre. Bugger paying for a new tyre when your last one still has 2 inches of good rubber still left on it... This isn't a measure of my riding abilities, I just like to get the maximum out of what I purchase.
If you don't plan on using the full width of what you pay for, request tyres with only 2/3 of tread on them, you may get them cheaper lol
FzerozeroT
1st September 2008, 21:19
Chicken strips matter an awful lot to the posers and insecure people out there. In fact their motorcycling revolves around them.
Yet interestingly have a look at what someone who can actually ride very fast says about it...
"The bike can't do everything for you and i'm showing them on the tyre where the grip is. So you need to be able to move, you need to be able to get off the bike to get where the grip is so you can open the throttle. All my tyres have a chicken strip as you don't want to be working on the edge of the tyre, you want to be on the meaty bit." ... Aaron Slight.
Same guy drives cars for a crust now :oi-grr:
Fatjim
1st September 2008, 21:21
Same guy drives cars for a crust now :oi-grr:
Thats from the guy who reckons you don't need to countersteer.
scumdog
1st September 2008, 21:25
Chicken strips matter an awful lot to the posers and insecure people out there. In fact their motorcycling revolves around them..
Too true, only insecure egotists give a fat-rats arse about chicken strips.
FzerozeroT
1st September 2008, 21:26
Thats from the guy who reckons you don't need to countersteer.
I'll have to plead ignorance to that one?
EDIT: "because of counter-steering,the headlight would acually go the opposite way from the direction you are going to travel, factor that in with leaning and you're pretty much screwed."
I remember saying that back in '04
TOTO
1st September 2008, 21:29
As a tool to see how you are usin your tyre - usefull.
As a way to show off and judge people - wankage.
p.S. and use the search function next time you want to start a thread.
98tls
1st September 2008, 21:30
Too true, only insecure egotists give a fat-rats arse about chicken strips.
I remember feeling a bit "insecure" when in an attempt to lose mine i encountered the trumpet rider travelling faster than a trumpet rider had a right to on that westcoast sweeper.:Oops:
scumdog
1st September 2008, 21:32
I remember feeling a bit "insecure" when in an attempt to lose mine i encountered the trumpet rider travelling faster than a trumpet rider had a right to on that westcoast sweeper.:Oops:
I can vouch for that.:eek5::gob:
Luckily I had no intentions of wearing off any more of my chicken strips that day...
CHOPPA
1st September 2008, 21:55
I'm struggling with the logic in this one.
Just because you can lean your bike over dont mean your a good rider, just means you can lean your bike over.....
martybabe
1st September 2008, 21:58
Oh, that's what chicken strips are, well I've just put a new rear tyre on my baby and it ain't scrubbed in yet, so my chicken licken gay strips are about 6 inches wide at the mo.
And people are judging my riding ability on this are they, well well, shan't get any sleep tonight worrying about that then. :no: :laugh:
=cJ=
1st September 2008, 22:02
Chicken strips?
Don't care, hassle me about mine and I'll more than likely tell you to piss off.
jrandom
1st September 2008, 22:09
My chicken strips came with honey mustard sauce.
Om nom nom nom!
Seriously, though, I mean, we go on about how chicken strips are meaningless, but who among us would feel totally comfortable turning up to any kind of gathering of motorcyclists with silicon visible on the rear tyre?
Anyone?
Hellooooo...
Thought not.
No, DangerousBastard, you can't answer if you know you'd never get invited to any kind of gathering in the first place.
:laugh:
CB ARGH
1st September 2008, 22:13
Oh FFS how about you use the search function and add your "research question" to the end of the voluminous number of postings already made on the subject?
You don't think this hasn't come up before in over 1,670,000 posts?
Keep your hair on. I thought he was talking about hamburgers or somethin. :wacko:
dipshit
1st September 2008, 22:17
Seriously, though, I mean, we go on about how chicken strips are meaningless, but who among us would feel totally comfortable turning up to any kind of gathering of motorcyclists with silicon visible on the rear tyre?
Why not?
Fuck, I don't even care they are visible on my profile pic on KB with so many tossers around. :whocares:
jrandom
1st September 2008, 22:19
I don't even care...
Rightio.
:msn-wink:
The Stranger
1st September 2008, 22:20
Please tell me... wtf is a chicken strip? :confused:
Only thing worse than having chicken strips is not knowing you have them.
Mom
1st September 2008, 22:22
Only thing worse than having chicken strips is not knowing you have them.
Are they contagious like chicken pox?
The Stranger
1st September 2008, 22:26
Are they contagious like chicken pox?
Well I I must admit, I have caught it over winter, but I'm sure its cause i went out only wearing those fucken Pirellis.
Mom
1st September 2008, 22:29
Well I I must admit, I have caught it over winter, but I'm sure its cause i went out only wearing those fucken Pirellis.
How embarassing for you :o
I think I have some cream for that :yes:
I will give it to you to rub in yourself, dont want you getting overheated while you have the chicken thingimagigs...:bleh:
GaZBur
1st September 2008, 22:33
My previous race tyre had 1cm chicken strips left. The current tyre has none because I have ridden off the edge of the tyre. Don't mean I am cornering any great deal better but that I should go to a higher profile tyre so there is some left so i won't ride off the edge again. Its about rim size, tyre size and profile as much as lean angle. Some tyres need you to ride on the sprocket before you loose the chicken strip on the edge. If you make fun of someone elses strips you are a knob head.
Mikkel
1st September 2008, 22:34
A neat trick for getting rid of your chicken strips: practice cornering while leaning out out of the corner... dirtbike style. Will see you get the bike over further without having to push quite as hard.
Incidentally this can be used to scrub in new tyres a bit faster too.
That aside - noone really cares if you got chicken strips or not. It's just one of those bullshit conversation starters that we enjoy as bikers. An icebreaker if you will...
Same goes for footpegs and kneesliders - just before you post another thread about those.
jrandom
1st September 2008, 22:38
A neat trick for getting rid of your chicken strips: borrow YamahaR64Life's belt sander
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Steam
1st September 2008, 22:44
I used to be ashamed of my massive chicken strips, but now I don't give a rat's arse. My tyre is getting squarer and squarer, and that's okay.
I'm a tourer and commuter, not a thrillseeker.
Dakara
1st September 2008, 22:46
Heh, my Mrs was the one to educate on what they were... true story.
I suppose it is funny to see a sprotbike with really fat strips on em, meaning a bmx tyre would do the same job. But apart from that, meh... I still have tiny ones on the rear and bit bigger on the front. Can't say I care.
bomma
1st September 2008, 22:50
i just use it to judge if the poor bike is getting the attention it deserves....a lot of people commute on bikes and its just sad to see the things cooped up and restricted to "50" kph :no:
EDIT: not something to judge skill though, any knob can scrubba dub dub their heart out but important thing is to keep the shiny side up and enjoy the ride :niceone:
Maha
1st September 2008, 22:53
I treat mine with the love and respect they deserve!
Mikkel
1st September 2008, 23:06
I treat mine with the love and respect they deserve!
However, no matter how much you nurture them I doubt they will ever grow... :no:
Whynot
1st September 2008, 23:37
Chicken strips are the best !!
:D
Forest
1st September 2008, 23:41
These are the only chicken strips that really matter to me.
Chicken fried bacon strips.
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AlBundy
1st September 2008, 23:51
Egg heads that judge a rider by his duck strips is just gay. Its all about the wheelies don't ya know :shutup::msn-wink:
Actually, stoppies are more specialised... There are a lot more people who can get the front up than the back up....
James Deuce
2nd September 2008, 06:59
OFFS, WTF, OMG, LOL........... I wont keep you from counting post. Mmmm hope it keeps you busy :whocares:
A search that took the server 2.13 seconds netted 553 threads with this subject matter in it.
I'm not "counting posts" it's on the front page of the site. FFS.
It's a pointless question that generates little in the way of serious responses. People that do take it seriously should probably have a bit of time off from riding on the road.
Storm
2nd September 2008, 07:08
I dont give a rats about chicken strips. As long as I'm happy with my riding, why should I care what every other bugger thinks?
NighthawkNZ
2nd September 2008, 07:10
Chicken Strips' Are they important to you?
only in sandwiches
Strang0r
2nd September 2008, 07:44
all this talk of chicken strips is making me hungry...
Blue Velvet
2nd September 2008, 12:28
Chicken fried bacon strips.
Chicken is overrated. Bacon FTW
Mmmmm bacon strips :drool:
jrandom
2nd September 2008, 12:41
People that do take it seriously should probably have a bit of time off from riding on the road.
I have chicken strips on my Specialized Armadillos. It is very shameful. Do you have any tips that would help me get my knee down on the Trek?
EJK
2nd September 2008, 12:42
It's lunch time, yes? I know everybody is hungry...
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PirateJafa
2nd September 2008, 12:45
Don't get me wrong, cause i dont give a rats nugget personally, but are bike dudes still likely to make assessments of 'perceived' status/ability etc around chicken strips, or lack of? Is having no chicken strips akin to casually releasing your 12inch salami to piss on a tree stump in front of your mates, does having balls of rubber hanging of the edges mean you can 'go all night long'? :niceone: Or does having an inch of vigin rubber mean.............. :spanking:
Depends on the tyres - the curve of some tyres will allow them to be worn right out to the edges relatively easily.
However on my RD it is impossible to scrub out the chicken strips without removing the exhausts, pegs, peg mounts and probably some of the engine covers.
jrandom
2nd September 2008, 12:49
However on my RD it is impossible to scrub out the chicken strips...
SV650s and ER-6s with their squeezed-up 160-profile rears are the same. You just don't get to the edge.
Usarka
2nd September 2008, 12:55
all this talk of chicken strips is making me hungry...
Donde esta el pollo? Fuck the chicken it'll give you the squirts.
avgas
2nd September 2008, 12:56
used to be important - but on the FZ i dont mind, the foot pegs/my boots show the true nature of the beast.
Its all physics baby
nodrog
2nd September 2008, 12:57
.....ER-6s with their squeezed-up 160-profile rears are the same. You just don't get to the edge.
i have once, mind you i think losing the front and picking the bike up with the righthand footpeg and the side of my arse may have helped.
p.s. dont tell stirts
PirateJafa
2nd September 2008, 12:58
SV650s and ER-6s with their squeezed-up 160-profile rears are the same. You just don't get to the edge.
Don't worry JRandom - we can copy the two-fiddy riders by getting out some sand paper, and then we'll be beating the chix off with big sticks.
Dave-
2nd September 2008, 13:19
chicken strips are meaningless to me until someone points them out and everyone laughs and then someone puches me over in the dirt and steals my sandwiches, but they're vegemite and they dont like them so they throw them in the dirt too.
Kiwi Graham
2nd September 2008, 14:28
A search that took the server 2.13 seconds netted 553 threads with this subject matter in it.
I'm not "counting posts" it's on the front page of the site. FFS.
It's a pointless question that generates little in the way of serious responses. People that do take it seriously should probably have a bit of time off from riding on the road.
Mmmmm, did the same thing, took took 2.09 sec for the same 553 threads. That means mines faster than yours :laugh:
I think youve missed the point a bit 'its a topic for discussion' not mastermind dude :bleh:
God help us if we revisit previous topics....:whocares: :whocares: :Playnice:
Blue Velvet
2nd September 2008, 14:33
...steals my sandwiches...
Where beer does flow and men chunder
raftn
2nd September 2008, 14:50
I have just read all of this............now i am off to KFC to get me some chicken strips......i am hungry.
southernmike
2nd September 2008, 14:54
I always thought that if you are counting your drinks you shouldn't be drinking. Maybe the same goes for measuring chicken strips??
Big Dave
2nd September 2008, 18:30
As I stated in the thread that started it all.
Chicken Strips are entirely, utterly meaningless.
All they indicate is how a bike has been ridden 'recently'.
They tell you nothing of the rider or his capability.
Come over and even mention them in front of the professional riders at KR and you will be laughed at.
scumdog
2nd September 2008, 18:55
As I stated in the thread that started it all.
Chicken Strips are entirely, utterly meaningless.
All they indicate is how a bike has been ridden 'recently'.
They tell you nothing of the rider or his capability.
Come over and even mention them in front of the professional riders at KR and you will be laughed at.
I agree.
If ya wear the chicken strip off on few 'mismanaged' twisty bits then how do you ever 'put them back on' to show how you REALLY ride???:Pokey:
rocketman1
2nd September 2008, 19:04
I check them out after a hard ride, and always think I should have bigger balls on the corners, but reality checks and I say to myself...get to the end of the ride son without smashing it. Probably cost me about $4k if I drop the SV on the road...I say f--k the chicken strips they can stay there.
Owl
2nd September 2008, 19:07
I guess there not like chicken tenderloins then? I like tenderloins!:yes:
Subike
2nd September 2008, 19:10
to remove the chicken strips from my old girl, I would first have to road grind 50mm off of the foot pegs. Then grind a foot long flat spot on the muffler.
So I doubt I will ever not see "chicken strips" on my tyres.
Big Dave
2nd September 2008, 19:10
I guess there not like chicken tenderloins then? I like tenderloins!:yes:
In tacos with medium salsa!
Boob Johnson
2nd September 2008, 19:28
Only thing worse than having chicken strips is not knowing you have them.
Na I think that's herpes isn't it?
uksteve
2nd September 2008, 19:30
For us non commuters it is important to get rid of the chicken strips. How can you ever improve your riding if you dont continue to push the limits, how do you know where the limits are if you dont push yourself outside of your comfort zone. In my experience tyres have better holding properties than most peoples nerve.
mstriumph
2nd September 2008, 19:44
Oh FFS how about you use the search function and add your "research question" to the end of the voluminous number of postings already made on the subject?
You don't think this hasn't come up before in over 1,670,000 posts?
:eek5: :( :hug: :drinknsin:
CHOPPA
2nd September 2008, 19:49
For us non commuters it is important to get rid of the chicken strips. How can you ever improve your riding if you dont continue to push the limits, how do you know where the limits are if you dont push yourself outside of your comfort zone. In my experience tyres have better holding properties than most peoples nerve.
I used to look at them i must admit but i can get rid of them in the first minute of putting new tyres on so i must be the man!
jrandom
2nd September 2008, 19:51
i can get rid of them in the first minute of putting new tyres on
Lot easier to do when you're putting them on in in that 'pit lane' place eh.
:laugh:
CHOPPA
2nd September 2008, 19:54
Lot easier to do when you're putting them on in in that 'pit lane' place eh.
:laugh:
haha agreed! Dont tell anyone about the warmers either...
Whynot
2nd September 2008, 19:59
all this talk of chicken strips is making me hungry...
Snap !!!!11!!
jrandom
2nd September 2008, 20:01
mention them in front of the professional riders at KR and you will be laughed at.
That would be because dirt knobblies don't really have such things as 'chicken strips'?
AllanB
2nd September 2008, 20:06
Hmm
Road bikes vary - geometry and tyres appear to make a difference, change tyre brands and where you got to the edge before you may only get within a cm on a different rear.
On the road I prefer to think of them as safety-strips - I know I can always close my eyes and lean it over a bit more if I really have to!
Big Dave
2nd September 2008, 20:13
That would be because dirt knobblies don't really have such things as 'chicken strips'?
No - I meant Stretch and Todd and Vege and The Ed actually.
I mentioned them once - but I think I got away with it.
dpex
7th October 2008, 17:57
I must say, the chicken-strips are are solid indication of a rider either getting down and dirty, or not. I've still got a bit over 1cm, despite the fact my pegs have scratched.
And despite all you worry-warts and mothers-in-waiting, I really would like to arrive home, one day, bereft of the strips.
When the CS's are gone, you've been right out there to the outer edges; either in terror or sublimely in sync. Either way works for me.
I have to admit I'm an adrenalin junkie. Maybe, after I actually learn to ride my bike properly....sometime in the next ten years....then the adrenalin rush won't arrive. Then what? That's presuming I live that long.:shit:
speights_bud
7th October 2008, 18:09
I must say, the chicken-strips are are solid indication of a rider either getting down and dirty, or not.
Interesting... my RG150 front tire still has almost an inch of chicken strip on it, and i think down and dirty it has been indeed....
NighthawkNZ
7th October 2008, 18:12
prefer bacon strips or chicken drum sticks... lamb shanks, spare ribs... talking of all this food is makin me hungry... and I have just had dinner
speights_bud
7th October 2008, 18:17
prefer bacon strips or chicken drum sticks... lamb shanks, spare ribs... talking of all this food is makin me hungry... and I have just had dinner
just fried up some chops, WBU?
TLDV8
7th October 2008, 18:59
<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/IMG_0518Medium.jpg>
Kiwi Graham
7th October 2008, 18:59
Jamie Oliver 930 tonight, all you need to know about chickens apparently :lol:
Kiwi Graham
7th October 2008, 19:03
<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/IMG_0518Medium.jpg>
A very clear tyre pimple evident in that pic dude :gob:
Must try harder ;)
madbikeboy
7th October 2008, 19:53
Okay, without sounding like a cock about it, I don't have chicken strips - I can post photo's if needed. I tend to wear out the middle left, and middle right of the tire, and when those bits are shagged, then I tend to be more forthcoming with burnouts and smoking the rear when they're cold.
It's logical to have some on the front tires, unless you do track days, in which case you'll tend to work the front much harder.
However, I have friends in Welly, they have much more oil and shite on their roads, plus colder temps - having a goodly amount of chicken strip in WGTN is sensible, and you can truthfully hustle pretty hard without doing the knee down, leaned right over, tearing your tires to pieces routine that adds penis size.
skipah
7th October 2008, 21:48
Everyone has their two cents, here's mine.... ride twistier roads and turns, you can get your lean on here without having to be actually hauling ass, the "chickens" et al could still get over without putting your ass on the line. Ride the turns again and again, become better at going around these corners and in turn enjoy riding that much more. Getting your lean on feels soooooo good. If that's not your buzz, ah well, I'm still happy and my tyres are scrubbed without shitting my pants in the process.
Katman
8th October 2008, 07:25
My two cents worth.
If you're over onto the edge of your tyres, what's left in reserve?
boomer
8th October 2008, 07:34
My two cents worth.
If you're over onto the edge of your tyres, what's left in reserve?
I'm suprised you're brave enough to get out of bed in the morning. The worlds a scary place aint it..??!
Anyone with chicken strips(front or back) is just commuting.
boomer
8th October 2008, 07:38
As I stated in the thread that started it all.
Chicken Strips are entirely, utterly meaningless.
All they indicate is how a bike has been ridden 'recently'.
They tell you nothing of the rider or his capability.
Come over and even mention them in front of the professional riders at KR and you will be laughed at.
I get laughed at all the time, Just cos they work for a cycle magazine doesn't mean they are good riders bro...
and as for 'recently'.. you can tell if the edge has been used in its lifetime.. not just since teh last downpour or wash.
Katman
8th October 2008, 07:44
I'm suprised you're brave enough to get out of bed in the morning. The worlds a scary place aint it..??!
Anyone with chicken strips(front or back) is just commuting.
You never answered the question boomer.
NighthawkNZ
8th October 2008, 07:46
There are very few roads and corners in NZ that at 100kph that would take you to the limit of the tyres on most bikes anyway...
I agree with Katman on this if you are always on the edge... you have nothing in reserve for that oh fuck momnet... I have a couple of mm of chicken strips but I know I can go that little bit more when I need to when I make that miss alignment :doh:
I have taken it to the limit on the past but usually only because I have needed to when I have cooked the corner
Blossom
8th October 2008, 07:58
I have massive chicken strips.
REALLY MASSIVE.
I would be hideously embarrassed to show up at a ride and have everyone see them... so I will tell you all now then hopefully noone will laugh at me.
But I can bring cookies so hopefully I would still have some friends. :shifty:
What I am curious about is this.. how many of you actually lost your chicken strips (or down to the limit for your bike) while still on your learners or whilst still learning?
Maki
8th October 2008, 08:04
I have huge chicken strips because I tend to keep the bike fairly upright and lean with my body.
OutForADuck
8th October 2008, 08:12
Kiwi Graham your a stirring bastard (111) posts about the joy/horror of riding off the edge of your tyres :2guns:
I have visions of those "L" Platers sliding down the road whilst looking for the edge and a little street kudos :laugh:
I don't even get my sliders down on the road but know I am not slow through the twisties... just have lean, power and sometimes a little skill in reserve... because its the road!!!
Having had three emergency stops last week (Car U-turn after blind corner, car pulling out of side road infront of turning car hiding him and idiot who was racing and totally lost it through corner stuffing up my safe exit - also car) I'm sort of glad I tend to leave a little in reserve :bleh:
and experience shows virtually no rider leaves chicken strips after a couple of sessions on the track!!! Be they fastest or slowest on the track :spanking:
boomer
8th October 2008, 08:23
You never answered the question boomer.
Which Question is that katman..?! if its do i judge a persons riding ability by his strips.. then yes i must do. As i said ' if you have strips.. you're just commuting'.
I agree it raises the stakes but all this 'there are no roads in NZ that allow you to get lent over', 'i lean my body rather than my bike' is just excuse making. front up and say you don't ride fast on the road.
And you still have a way to go once you reach the edge of your tyre.. you still have room to go of the edge ( with most tyre profiles )
is it big or clever...??! who knows.
slofox
8th October 2008, 08:28
The very name "chicken strips" smacks of brainless male machismo - " unless you are riding at risk you are not a true blue tough guy....". Sounds like boy racer thinking to me....What is the point of that? Does it promote safe riding? Are we here to promote that or to promote risk taking? Every time someone bins there are many messages of sympathy.....a little less of this bravado might mean less necessity to express sympathy....think about it........
boomer
8th October 2008, 08:34
The very name "chicken strips" smacks of brainless male machismo - " unless you are riding at risk you are not a true blue tough guy....". Sounds like boy racer thinking to me....What is the point of that? Does it promote safe riding? Are we here to promote that or to promote risk taking? Every time someone bins there are many messages of sympathy.....a little less of this bravado might mean less necessity to express sympathy....think about it........
i missed teh bit when i signed up that said.. "you're here(on kb i presume) to promote safe riding..!" ahahah
lets look at this for a moment, the more experience you have teh better, more capable rider you become.. right? like so many things in life..?! so can you not realise that some people can ride at a greater speed than you and still be safer? Now im not saying im a) fast or b) safe.. BUT just because you cant ride at that speed doesnt mean others cant.
Now with regards to chicken strips, if i see 'em.. i know the bike hasn't been 'ridden' on the road.. its been commuted on.
The Stranger
8th October 2008, 08:53
I have huge chicken strips because I tend to keep the bike fairly upright and lean with my body.
Good try, but you will need a better excuse than that. We'll accept that you have chicken strips because you scrape hard bits first, other than that - well sooner or later you are just going to have to face the truth.
Deal with it.
firefighter
8th October 2008, 09:15
Now with regards to chicken strips, if i see 'em.. i know the bike hasn't been 'ridden' on the road.. its been commuted on.
I had a ZZR250, which under me hated it's life, (I was too fat for the poor wee thing!) anyway I had chicken strips on it, yet I mostly rode it along S16, up through to Wellsford, to Whangarei (pretty much every set of shifts off), and I would do this often, and I would get the bike over enough to scrape my boots and pegs up quite nicely, and wasn't keen to go much further over than that as I like life, so what your saying is that is just commuting, because the strips stayed on the sides of the tyre? Sounds pretty immature to me mate.
PirateJafa
8th October 2008, 09:30
Anyone with chicken strips(front or back) is just commuting.
Not necessarily. On a number of bikes (like my own) it is actually impossible to remove the chicken strips entirely without removing the exhausts and probably the peg mounts first.
So unless I get out with a sander or bin epically, there is no way in hell those "chicken" strips will go.
Just depends on the curvature of the tyres - since a good number of people don't run stock sizes of tyres, their "strips" will be correspondingly easier or harder to remove.
And of course, you can get rid of your strips in a carpark at 20km/h if you really want.
firefighter
8th October 2008, 09:37
Not necessarily. On a number of bikes (like my own) it is actually impossible to remove the chicken strips entirely without removing the exhausts and probably the peg mounts first.
the point I was trying to make :done:
yungatart
8th October 2008, 09:42
You boys! Always going on about the size of your chicken strips .....who cares?
Chicken strips are like willies...overrated, often lied about and size is no indication of ability :yawn:
Kiwi Graham
8th October 2008, 09:56
You boys! Always going on about the size of your chicken strips .....who cares?
Chicken strips are like willies...overrated, often lied about and size is no indication of ability :yawn:
:shit: :confused: :no: :laugh: :lol: :killingme :rofl:
MSTRS
8th October 2008, 10:04
Chicken strips are like willies...overrated, often lied about and size is no indication of ability :yawn:
Ahhhh...but how often do you get to see willies out in the open? To know the owner IS lying?
homer
8th October 2008, 10:09
Having seen this kinda thread only twice, I'll bite.
I've got about an inch on my 170/70's.
Every time I start getting my lean on, shit scrapes on the ground. First my fat feet, then the base of the peg.
Almost highsided scraping that goddamn peg. Now I slip my ass into the corner and try getting a bitta lean on into the corner =)
Be nice... The Bandit ain't no RS50 in doughnut terms.
like to know if the pegs sit at different height, i dont hit anything on the road except my foot and i now bring them back on the peg and still dont touch the road .
are the pegs at different height to the 1200.
MarkH
8th October 2008, 10:09
You boys! Always going on about the size of your chicken strips .....who cares?
Chicken strips are like willies...overrated, often lied about and size is no indication of ability :yawn:
Willies? I don't bother lying about mine, size is adequate for the job and ability is no problem - I guarantee an orgasm every time, at least one of us will have one! :laugh:
Personally I couldn't care less about chicken strips. I ride because I enjoy it, not so that someone will look closely at my tyres and say "wow, you're kewl!".
boomer
8th October 2008, 10:45
I had a ZZR250, which under me hated it's life, (I was too fat for the poor wee thing!) anyway I had chicken strips on it, yet I mostly rode it along S16, up through to Wellsford, to Whangarei (pretty much every set of shifts off), and I would do this often, and I would get the bike over enough to scrape my boots and pegs up quite nicely, and wasn't keen to go much further over than that as I like life, so what your saying is that is just commuting, because the strips stayed on the sides of the tyre? Sounds pretty immature to me mate.
in that case your feet arent on the pegs properly if your just scraping ya feet. If your scraping ya pegs then ya need to adjust ;em up... thats why teh harleys are going around the outside of you.... ! Your a prime example of thinking your at the limit.. Teh fact is you're at your limit.. not necassarily the bikes or other peoples..!!!
I feel like chicken tonight.. chicken tonight..!!!
Personally I couldn't care less about chicken strips. I ride because I enjoy it, not so that someone will look closely at my tyres and say "wow, you're kewl!".
i just saw your ride.. i larfed and lol'ed....! People cant stop laffing at your ride to notice your tyres.. !!!
007XX
8th October 2008, 10:50
Ahhhh...but how often do you get to see willies out in the open? To know the owner IS lying?
Women know fully well that the quiet achievers are those to be trusted :shifty:
Chicken strips...meh, who cares? I've never pretended to be an awesome rider.
MarkH
8th October 2008, 11:10
i just saw your ride.. i larfed and lol'ed....! People cant stop laffing at your ride to notice your tyres.. !!!
Oh that's just my weekday commuter - I am getting a GSX-R1000 K9 for weekend fun, unless the unthinkable happens and the wrong numbers get draw on Saturday's Lotto. Otherwise I'll have to wait till next Winter to get me a sports bike for the weekends. I still won't care about the chicken strips though.
I think that maybe my scoot isn't the type of bike to worry about scrubbing off chicken strips with. But it IS damn good at getting me around Auckland during the week!
firefighter
8th October 2008, 11:23
Your a prime example of thinking your at the limit.. Teh fact is you're at your limit.. not necassarily the bikes or other peoples..!!!
Yep, I guess I could have adjusted the pegs up and rode with my knees next to my head, or just gone over a bit further from the pegs up to the engine casing/fairings, that'd be so cool!!!:mellow::stupid:
boomer
8th October 2008, 11:58
Yep, I guess I could have adjusted the pegs up and rode with my knees next to my head, or just gone over a bit further from the pegs up to the engine casing/fairings, that'd be so cool!!!:mellow::stupid:
Just keep piling on teh excuses... i've seen all 101 of 'em.
* Edit, since the 101 excuses we're originally made, teh Hysobag came along.. so officially there are 102 excuses now.
HenryDorsetCase
8th October 2008, 12:04
I'm not such a fan of chicken strips. I think chicken thigh is tastier. You can do a quick cordon bleu with chicken thighs, ham and cheese that is very tasty. Not good for you though, just tasty.
firefighter
8th October 2008, 12:04
Just keep piling on teh excuses... i've seen all 101 of 'em.
* Edit, since the 101 excuses we're originally made, teh Hysobag came along.. so officially there are 102 excuses now.
Get ya hand off it. :sleep:
boomer
8th October 2008, 12:07
Get ya hand off it. :sleep:
I can't .. your chins in teh way. :done:
laserracer
8th October 2008, 12:09
I dont have chicken strips:weep:...i have chicken knobs:banana::laugh:mmmmm CHICKEN KNOBS...TASTY
But i really like the taste of fish:2thumbsup
firefighter
8th October 2008, 12:10
I can't .. your chins in teh way. :done:
What are you doing with your hand on ya mum arse? :shit: :jerry:
boomer
8th October 2008, 12:12
What are you doing with your hand on ya mum arse? :shit: :jerry:
dude...i know schools out but thats poor.
The fact remains.. you have chicken strips and you're slow; to top it off.. you won't admit it.. instead making excuses.....! thanks for the lawl
BuellBunny
8th October 2008, 12:15
Who gives a big rats arse how big the sissy strip is! As long as you ride how you want to then thats all cool, surely. I had a guy check out mine once and I had to think twice about saying what a cock he was.......
gtr boy
8th October 2008, 12:18
Get ya hand off it. :sleep:
I can't .. your chins in teh way. :done:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::clap:
firefighter
8th October 2008, 12:19
dude...i know schools out but thats poor.
The fact remains.. you have chicken strips and you're slow; to top it off.. you won't admit it.. instead making excuses.....! thanks for the lawl
School? Erm, youv'e lost me there........but I think I got you there if that's all you have :shutup::shifty:
Chicken strips, yep on the old bike, funny I don't have the same problem now.......yep i'm not overly fast, not slow but certainly not fast either- it doesn't bother me in the slightest mate......:blink: I stopped worrying about crap like that at about 22......and confirmed it at my first MVC...
The Flux Capacita
8th October 2008, 12:21
i suppose this would include "getting your knee" down as well...ride how you like i say...as long as the tyres keep you on the road for your riding style who cares how much tyre you use...probably always better to have more tyre left to use than less aye:tugger:
boomer
8th October 2008, 12:25
Does the Hyobag come with a reversing buzza.... im sure i can hear something..
http://www.sounddogs.com/previews/2175/mp3/154347_SOUNDDOGS_TR.mp3
gtr boy
8th October 2008, 12:30
Does the Hyobag come with a reversing buzza.... im sure i can hear something..
http://www.sounddogs.com/previews/2175/mp3/154347_SOUNDDOGS_TR.mp3
:jerry:.......
MarkH
8th October 2008, 12:46
I had a guy check out mine once and I had to think twice about saying what a cock
Ummm, you do realise we are discussing tyres, right? :laugh: (or did I accidently quote you out of context?) :innocent:
NC
8th October 2008, 12:59
I don't care.:mellow:
BuellBunny
8th October 2008, 13:19
Ummm, you do realise we are discussing tyres, right? :laugh: (or did I accidently quote you out of context?) :innocent:
errrrrrrrrr.... tyres??? Gosh really??? DUH!!!
Yes...................:wacko:
iwilde
8th October 2008, 16:51
How about a wave so that KBers can tell eachother apart from the rest?
speights_bud
8th October 2008, 17:01
Had a BIG LOL today at my boss, he came out and looked at my UZ125, then proceeded to tell me i dont lean it over very far coz the edges of the tire's have like a 2 mm chicken strip and still have titty bits attached, then i leant the bike over and showed him the ground engine housing & frame, centre stand, side stand, airbox and final drive cover..... had myself a big LOL at him when he went all quiet :2guns:
How about a wave so that KBers can tell eachother apart from the rest?
Bin there talked about that, it'll never happen...
svr
8th October 2008, 17:37
Like how you dress, how your tyres look may mean little to you, but they say a fair bit.
About 10 yrs ago about dozen mint 916's (Auck Duc club I think) pulled onto the pits at manfield to watch a round of the nationals. Envy! I went for a closer look. They all had 1 inch chicken strips at the back. Seemed like a waste of machinery.
Kickaha
8th October 2008, 17:51
Chicken strips don't mean shit, they don't mean you ride hard or fast, they're no measure of ability and seem to be important only to the posers
blue eyed savage
8th October 2008, 18:04
i went round the same corners as a guy on a 250zxr at the same speed and he has them and i dont (and i hang off too) so i gess it depends on the bike?
Ixion
8th October 2008, 18:07
It's logical to have some on the front tires, unless you do track days, in which case you'll tend to work the front much harder.
'Taint always that simple. von Klunken's rear has strips about quarter inch wide. But none at all on the front, to the point where last WoF the tester dude insisted on writing "Front tyre worn at sides" on the check list. And was umming and ahhing about whether it could pass or not, and only let it through on the basis that there was heaps of tread in the middle. So getting rid of the rear ones would almost certainly be too much for the front .
blue eyed savage
8th October 2008, 18:11
'Taint always that simple. von Klunken's rear has strips about quarter inch wide. But none at all on the front, to the point where last WoF the tester dude insisted on writing "Front tyre worn at sides" on the check list. And was umming and ahhing about whether it could pass or not, and only let it through on the basis that there was heaps of tread in the middle. So getting rid of the rear ones would almost certainly be too much for the front .
are the forks in good condition or are they stuffed
Ixion
8th October 2008, 18:30
Yes, it's all good and straight. it's just an oddity of the geometry of the bike. And maybe a bit riding style I tend to push the front down hard.
madbikeboy
9th October 2008, 08:19
'Taint always that simple. von Klunken's rear has strips about quarter inch wide. But none at all on the front, to the point where last WoF the tester dude insisted on writing "Front tyre worn at sides" on the check list. And was umming and ahhing about whether it could pass or not, and only let it through on the basis that there was heaps of tread in the middle. So getting rid of the rear ones would almost certainly be too much for the front .
I'm making some assumptions here, late model sportsbike, 600 or bigger, wide-ish rear tire (180/190), riding on the road most people don't push their fronts that hard...
Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups...
avgas
9th October 2008, 08:33
I'm making some assumptions here, late model sportsbike, 600 or bigger, wide-ish rear tire (180/190), riding on the road most people don't push their fronts that hard...
Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups...
Yep - my ZXR400 had slick on the sides of the front. But i did push that bike bloody hard on the piha loop. Really nose deep.
FZ1 was a drifter so the chicken strips were pretty big on it - but i used to get full respect when i kicked it round a corner.
Completely different bikes really.
Likewise i felt that the carvers DRZ400 i could ride both ways. Which made me very confused as it didn't like sliding slower than 80kph (or mabey that was me and my addiction to hp?)
Brett
9th October 2008, 21:09
I don't know...I haven't had any for quite a while...However, when I did have them I was self conscieous about them...so I guess I do care.
Whynot
9th October 2008, 21:49
How about a wave so that KBers can tell eachother apart from the rest?
how about a salute instead?
I've heard some people on certain bikes dont wave back though .... :mellow:
scumdog
9th October 2008, 22:12
How about a wave so that KBers can tell eachother apart from the rest?
idb is organising that, the 'KB wave' HQ is in Arrowtown.:shifty:
NighthawkNZ
9th October 2008, 22:14
idb is organising that, the 'KB wave' HQ is in Arrowtown.:shifty:
Oh crap is he still trying to organise that :lol:
CB ARGH
10th October 2008, 08:13
Some dude on a suzuki 150 commented on my strips, he said they were impressive. I felt gangster, then thought why the fuck should we care? Being out on the open road on the bike is the best thing ever, tyre wear on the sides won't make my ride any better, it'll just get me home with shit in ma nickers! :shit:
CB ARGH
10th October 2008, 08:15
how about a salute instead?
I've heard some people on certain bikes dont wave back though .... :mellow:
I do the best dramatic salute to other bikers. Had somebody shake their head with disbelief one time.
The KB wave should be to hump the fuel tank. :yes:
Very noticable :wari:
Dare
11th October 2008, 03:50
I do the best dramatic salute to other bikers. Had somebody shake their head with disbelief one time.
The KB wave should be to hump the fuel tank. :yes:
Very noticable :wari:
Female members too?
Why the fuck not! :jerry:
I'd do it if everyone else did...
Baaahh
JohnR
11th October 2008, 08:40
Depends on the tyres - the curve of some tyres will allow them to be worn right out to the edges relatively easily.
However on my RD it is impossible to scrub out the chicken strips without removing the exhausts, pegs, peg mounts and probably some of the engine covers.
Excuses, excuses :msn-wink::laugh:
Number One
11th October 2008, 10:13
Strips?! Fuck that I'm all about full breasts! More than a mouthful is NOT a waste :innocent:
As for my tyres - couldn't care less - I'm not a wanker like that....other ways maybe but not that way :shutup:
NighthawkNZ
11th October 2008, 10:49
Strips?! Fuck that I'm all about full breasts! More than a mouthful is NOT a waste :innocent:
some one mentioned boobies... :love: everybody needs a bosom for a pillow and...:innocent:
FROSTY
11th October 2008, 17:37
We MUST protect the illusion that no chicken strips is a sighn of a truely MANLY MAN in the motorcycle world. Indeed the size of his testicals are inversly proportional to his chicken strips width.
The reason for this is that the racers amoungst us are able to get a bloody good return on our second hand tyres from these people
So SHHHHH
piston broke
12th October 2008, 17:15
i see some take strips seriously.
http://www.sportsbikeforum.co.uk/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?115377
TLDV8
12th October 2008, 17:30
<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/IMG_0518Medium.jpg>
A very clear tyre pimple evident in that pic dude :gob:
Must try harder ;)
I will go up to the Woolies carpark and do some 360's asap :laugh:
I think the nipple shows i am not concerned with chicken strips,some riders can roll edge to edge no problem i am not one or likely to be.
A lot of it is confidence i guess in both themselves and the bike.
I rode a set up R1 once that did it on its own accord,it handled that well.
The flip side is i know what it is like to be sliding along on ones bottom,a little caution goes a long way even if you were not being silly at the time.
<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/DSC05404Small-1.jpg>
H00dz
12th October 2008, 18:10
just finished cleaning the fj1200 with couple of mates (one RF900RR and the other ZX6R) and they laffing about my chicken strips. I like to call them "Living lines" ANYHOW I think nothing about my "LL's" WHY?
Well when your 200kg+ ALL you get is Chicken Strips, I mean "Living Lines"
rocketman1
12th October 2008, 18:59
Sensible strips not chicken strips, who gives a rats arse anyway, all I know is the young guys don't have any and as you get older they get wider !!
Cannot understand why.
piston broke
12th October 2008, 19:09
i dunno if mine have got wider with age,
i can't say i ever looked till i saw this page.
lol 40+ goin on 20(maybe).
lol 30 odd years on a bike,and the first time i've really looked at my tyres
enough to see if i have strips.
when they start letting go it's time to replace them
sugilite
12th October 2008, 20:47
I say chicken strips are demeaning to chickens. It must really piss them off just being treated like pieces of meat.
MIZXR
12th October 2008, 20:57
The strips aren't important so long as all the letters are gone.
CM2005
20th October 2008, 21:09
I've got them on my bucket, because of a lack of ground clearance, but na i dont care bout 'em.
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