Hells Angel leader killed

[The Lone Rider]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/04/BAP812NFPK.DTL



I'm all for freedom, but I've never understood how 1% clubs can call themselves that other than for being aggressive and usually drug dealers and similar.

Frankly I think you can live that lifestyle without dealing, prostituting etc.

Notorious as a motorcycle club with a membership consisting mainly of criminals, this is sure to deaden things a bit for them. Until they find out who did it I guess.

[Subike]

Are you speaking from personal knowlage?
Or from media reports and police reports that we all know are tainted.
Labels stick for years, sepecially when the media and police propogate them for their own reason.
One of our CHCH MC clubs changed thier name for this very reason, an incident happened that was blown all out of proportion by the media and police, which ended up with innocents being labeled as criminals.

Sure The Hells Angels are not "angels" but are they really as bad as suggested?

[T.W.R]

Least it wasn't Sonny Barger, just the SF chapter leader; but there's sure to be retribution :girlfight:

As the biggest gang in the world, there's plenty of crims but they aren't all in the same barrel.

:lol: Subike leave the Templers to their own devises

[The Lone Rider]

Are you speaking from personal knowlage?
Or from media reports and police reports that we all know are tainted.
Labels stick for years, sepecially when the media and police propogate them for their own reason.
One of our CHCH MC clubs changed thier name for this very reason, an incident happened that was blown all out of proportion by the media and police, which ended up with innocents being labeled as criminals.

Sure The Hells Angels are not "angels" but are they really as bad as suggested?

I think video of Hells Angels in huge masses killing and beating others, and selling off crack speaks enough for itself. For a huge international club it'd be hard to police behaviour of members, if in fact they have such a thing as club charta. It'd interesting to see if there was video or photos of HOG members, for example, doing similar.

Then there are also lots of high profile members. I'm pretty sure Jesse James is a member. And isn't Jack Nicolson?

And Russ Crowe is in some sort of 1% MC.

Still don't get the 1% thing. Can understand MC and wearing club logos, no harm in that. You and I have both been together in the same pub filled with Devils Henchmen. No problems there was there. Except for you and the other guys hassling me about "Oxford Girl"

[NOMIS]

Are you speaking from personal knowlage?
Or from media reports and police reports that we all know are tainted.
Labels stick for years, sepecially when the media and police propogate them for their own reason.
One of our CHCH MC clubs changed thier name for this very reason, an incident happened that was blown all out of proportion by the media and police, which ended up with innocents being labeled as criminals.

Sure The Hells Angels are not "angels" but are they really as bad as suggested?

Ahh guy who taught me through my aprenticship was one, and um yes he was as bad as suggested just not vocal about it. not there nay more he moved " um clubs "

[avgas]

hmmmm im sorry but mabey its becuase i ride alone.
gangs are just that - clubs are a different kettle of fish.
Hells Angels have always been a gang - much like the Filthy Few.
As for the patch thing i have no problem with that - but when its on your face not your jacket you have issues. People only do that for 1 reason.

Those that live by the sword die by the sword. Gangs were a path that i looked at when i was younger - but they are really a waste of space and pathetic loss in self motivation.
No point kicking their arses to get them to do something, that is all the motivation they have had in the past anywho. Waste of air. Pointless existance and should be treated as such.

[slowpoke]

Sure The Hells Angels are not "angels" but are they really as bad as suggested?

Haha, they have hooked you well and good! They have purposely constructed this myth that they are just good boys gone bad, riding hard and playing harder....and it's just a smokescreen. The things they've done over the years, and continue to do, would turn your stomach. And don't think it's nothing to do with us, they have affiliated chapters/gangs virtually worldwide, including Australia and New Zealand.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sure The Hells Angels are not "angels" but are they really as bad as suggested?

Worse probably. They're just smart enough to keep a (relatively) low profile.

[Subike]

Fair comments guys, so apart from drugs (Pharmacitical companies), beatings (police tactic), stand over tactics (governments), protection rackets (Inland revenue department), porn (any television co/ magazine producer), What do they do that is outside of the white collar crime (that they cant do cause they bikers).
OK they ride Hareys, are sad fuckers, should be shot on site, wear patches, tatoos etc.
I guess that they are all round bad muther fuckers and the world would be better without them.
I wonder what they bought into the motorcycling world with their ideas?
There must be something these sad asses did that was worth while.

[The Lone Rider]

OK they ride Hareys, are sad fuckers, should be shot on site, wear patches, tatoos etc.
I guess that they are all round bad muther fuckers and the world would be better without them.
I wonder what they bought into the motorcycling world with their ideas?
There must be something these sad asses did that was worth while.

I see nothing wrong with harleys, patches, and tattoos.

I know some all round bad muther fuckers, but they are still pretty nice guys hehe.

They brought a fair bit, and took a fair bit.

Anyway I posted this up as I was watching motorcycle mania 4, and noticed jesse james had hells angels stuff all over the place and a nice hells angel mural in his shop. Looked up something on google and ran into that article that he'd been shot.

Hells Angels are a bike club. Some of their principles hold true in all bike clubs. I don't condone the violence, drug dealing, and such that their members have done.

If they were all like you Dave, except for your new found Harley hating - you used to be more quiet about them! :P - the Hells Angels would ALL be a bunch of alright guys.

Mods - Dave and I know each other and he has no problem with me using his name. Likewise/vice versa. Don't hurt me mods. :D

[trustme]

A while back I used to meet a few Angels , we had a few beers & they were OK, I also knew a detective who wised me up on some of their antics,
They have a pretty effective PR machine , but I always remember being told
'You treat us right we'll treat you better, fuck with us & we are your worst nightmare' You better believe it , I saw it in operation
FWIW I would place the other gangs further down the gene pool , but ultimately they are all best kept very much at arms length.

[Her_C4]

'You treat us right we'll treat you better, fuck with us & we are your worst nightmare'

A philosophy I hold dear to my heart.......:msn-wink:

[rachprice]

Anyone read hunter thompsons book 'hell's angels'?
he effectively joined the gang for about 2 years, wrote about the shit they got up to in the late 60's (i think)
Most were pretty bad but from his point of view not nearly as bad as the media made them out to be

[Conquiztador]

Anyone read hunter thompsons book 'hell's angels'?
he effectively joined the gang for about 2 years, wrote about the shit they got up to in the late 60's (i think)
Most were pretty bad but from his point of view not nearly as bad as the media made them out to be

Yep, have read it. Liked the part where they were the trial users of LSD for research purpose...lol

[awayatc]

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who are going to miss him ."

What matters though is the one guy who didn't miss him......

[trustme]

Time moves on , that was 40 years ago , rose tinted glasses etc , the modern day reality is sustantially different to a book from the sixties, or what I saw in the 80's
Don't romanticise it. the gang scene is still pretty ugly & probably more violent than ever. The stakes are higher so they play a smarter game , that is the only difference

[slowpoke]

Deleted post, said same as above only typed a lot slower!

[Subike]

Time moves on , that was 40 years ago , rose tinted glasses etc , the modern day reality is sustantially different to a book from the sixties, or what I saw in the 80's
Don't romanticise it. the gang scene is still pretty ugly & probably more violent than ever. The stakes are higher so they play a smarter game , that is the only difference

Agree with you on this trustme. Here in NZ the bikie gang sceen changed in the late 80's, away from the club style it was, to warring factions and younger hot heads. Once laid back easy rider types no longer had anyplace in the groups. I agree that the stakes have got higher and the crimes worse. With the advent of electronic banking, internett and tougher police laws, drugs have become their main income. I think you will find many of the origional member of the gangs before the 80's have retired from being active menbers. Or they just plain grew out of the life style. Sure there would have been a cost paid by many who left. Family and age probably being a factor of that retirement or at worst (or best depending on point of view) became long term prison inmates.
The violence of the barabrian of the previous centurys has not dissapeared it has changed its face. The enemy of the people (pirates apaches, barbarians, outlaws, renegades) will always be with us, just in differing clothes.
I guess you could say that the Hells Angels and such groups are the american equivalent of the wild west outlaws. Just now on a steel horse.

[98tls]

Agree with you on this trustme. Here in NZ the bikie gang sceen changed in the late 80's, away from the club style it was, to warring factions and younger hot heads. Once laid back easy rider types no longer had anyplace in the groups. I agree that the stakes have got higher and the crimes worse. With the advent of electronic banking, internett and tougher police laws, drugs have become their main income. I think you will find many of the origional member of the gangs before the 80's have retired from being active menbers. Or they just plain grew out of the life style. Sure there would have been a cost paid by many who left. Family and age probably being a factor of that retirement or at worst (or best depending on point of view) became long term prison inmates.
The violence of the barabrian of the previous centurys has not dissapeared it has changed its face. The enemy of the people (pirates apaches, barbarians, outlaws, renegades) will always be with us, just in differing clothes.
I guess you could say that the Hells Angels and such groups are the american equivalent of the wild west outlaws. Just now on a steel horse. No doubt thats how they prefer to think of themselves.:whocares:Mind you some of the kiwi wannabies are amusing to say the least,bizarre apehangers the helmet and the most important thing of all,the attitude.:gob: reinforced with a soon to be on welfare 16 year old fatty on the back.:weird:

[Wingnut]

And Russ Crowe is in some sort of 1% MC.



Classic - He is suck a pussy tosser!!!!!!! :tugger:

[NordieBoy]

Anyone read hunter thompsons book 'hell's angels'?
he effectively joined the gang for about 2 years, wrote about the shit they got up to in the late 60's (i think)
Most were pretty bad but from his point of view not nearly as bad as the media made them out to be

Apparantly the "gang" wern't too happy about what he wrote.

[The Lone Rider]

16 year old fatty on the back.:weird:

Now now.. 16 year old fatty girls aren't all that bad.

But I'll be damned if I end up with a welfare girl!





Ok, can we all agree you can live the laid back out of the norm lifestyle embodied by the image, without the side that ends up on police reports? I hope so.

I met a guy in a pub who claimed to have been hells angels (even though he said he road a triumph sports bike). He scoffed at me, claiming the fighting they had to do allows "us" (as in my club) to ride like we do now. I dunno what he's on about. Fighting over who gets what area to do this or that in 20-30 years ago doesn't have much to do with me riding! Well I guess it would if all the fighting leading to bikes being banned!

[scumdog]

Anyone read hunter thompsons book 'hell's angels'?
he effectively joined the gang for about 2 years, wrote about the shit they got up to in the late 60's (i think)
Most were pretty bad but from his point of view not nearly as bad as the media made them out to be



Yup, read it - and Hunter S. Thoompson seems a tad shadey himself.

BTW: What was the name of the loser-gang in the North Island who gave a few HOG members a tong-up for having the audacity to wear a 'patch' - aparently having a rocker under the HOG logo made said losers think there was a rival gang in town, dear-oh-dear-oh-dear, when will gang stupidity ever end??

[rachprice]

Yup, read it - and Hunter S. Thoompson seems a tad shadey himself.



Hmmm yes and no, depends what you mean by shady...
He has been known to somewhat embellish his stories, and he took a whole lot of drugs but he wasnt really a bad person.
Someone that made you question your beliefs and ideas to really work out the reasoning behind them.
Interesting doco about his life just came out called gonzo...he ran for sheriff in Aspen and almost won!

[awayatc]

BTW: What was the name of the loser-gang


Any gang is a loser- gang i would have thought......

[alanzs]

They have a pretty effective PR machine , but I always remember being told 'You treat us right we'll treat you better, fuck with us & we are your worst nightmare' You better believe it , I saw it in operation
FWIW I would place the other gangs further down the gene pool , but ultimately they are all best kept very much at arms length.

What you have said is very true. Back in LA, I used to live next to a guy who was a patched Hells Angel member. At the time I rode a Honda 750 and was about 18 years old. Him and his friends used to laugh at me and my bike and say shit like when you grow up, get a real bike. He used to shoot his hangdun off in the house and yard and beat his girlfriend, on a regular basis. They'd be fighting one minute and fucking the next. Knowing that bullets go through walls and the people behind them, when he'd get in a rampage, I'd have to lay on the floor at the farthest end of the house till he was done. Not fun. The police would come, regularly, to arrest him. They'd park down the street and using their microphones, ask him to come out, with helicopters flying above, illuminating his house. He eventually wasn't there one day and that was that. A very scary guy.

[P38]

Yup, read it - and Hunter S. Thoompson seems a tad shadey himself.

BTW: What was the name of the loser-gang in the North Island who gave a few HOG members a tong-up for having the audacity to wear a 'patch' - aparently having a rocker under the HOG logo made said losers think there was a rival gang in town, dear-oh-dear-oh-dear, when will gang stupidity ever end??

The Ulysses Club of Australia had their AGM in Townsville this year about 4000 members attended.

Seems the local MC gang objected to them wearing there club badge and turned up to give them a bit of biff for wearing a patch on their turf.

The police had to intervien.

Pretty sad really.

[awayatc]

Is why being old and grey does not impede people who think like me to have fire arms....for hunting of course....varmint to be precise.

be worth going to jail for

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fair comments guys, so apart from drugs (Pharmacitical companies), beatings (police tactic), stand over tactics (governments), protection rackets (Inland revenue department), porn (any television co/ magazine producer), What do they do that is outside of the white collar crime (that they cant do cause they bikers).
OK they ride Hareys, are sad fuckers, should be shot on site, wear patches, tatoos etc.
I guess that they are all round bad muther fuckers and the world would be better without them.
I wonder what they bought into the motorcycling world with their ideas?
There must be something these sad asses did that was worth while.

Fucksakes, read a book willya?

there is a well documented history as to how why and where the late 40's early 50's motorcycle gangs started. Its quite interesting reading, and a far cry from the relatively well oiled and efficient drug manufacture and distribution network and criminal enterprise that the gangs have become today.

It assists them that this romanticised view exists, and that lots of fat, balding mid life crisis fucks want to buy a virtual copy of that life (but only on the weekends). Its sold a LOT of H-D's over the years.

[munterk6]

Bloody shame that. Another pillar of society lost forever...still, another will pop up soon I guess:innocent:

[awayatc]

Yeah shame they pop up faster then you can pop em off

[Timber020]

Another violent criminal whose actions probably caused more pain and suffering for thousands of people who will not miss him. I would say this is a fitting end to such a character.

The HAMC is an highly organised and well financed criminal group which deals in drugs, guns, stolen property, protection raquets and massive amounts of human misery the world over.
They also have a massive PR machine at work as even they have relised that they cant operate if the whole population sees them for what they are.

The nazis were good people if they were on your side, so was stalin, pol pot, charles manson, etc. But for the thousands of innocent people every year that become there victims, they are destroyers of lives.


He will be missed by thousands, drug dealers, defence lawyers, addicts, burglers, bike thiefs, gun runners, hitmen etc etc etc.

[mouldy]

give the Angels their due , if it wasn't for Sonny Barger and the likes , Harleys would still be dog ugly and Harley would have gone toes up if it wasn't for all the baby boomer wannabes who want to pretend they're bikies on the weekends AMPS would still be a shady little Yamaha shop in Otahuhu .

[munterk6]

AMPS would still be a shady little Yamaha shop in Otahuhu .

Still is...aint it?

Yeah, Harley Davidson....the marketing miracle of the New Age :clap:

[scumdog]

give the Angels their due , if it wasn't for Sonny Barger and the likes , Harleys would still be dog ugly and Harley would have gone toes up if it wasn't for all the baby boomer wannabes who want to pretend they're bikies on the weekends AMPS would still be a shady little Yamaha shop in Otahuhu .

Hmmm, I'd trade all the H-Ds for the demise of ALL gangs - including HAMC.

[Motu]

if it wasn't for all the baby boomer wannabes who want to pretend they're bikies on the weekends AMPS would still be a shady little Yamaha shop in Otahuhu .

Were Shafts a Yamaha shop? I never noticed - I never went there for Yamaha parts.They were shady because they were car sharks doing bikes.

[Conquiztador]

- Ray who took over the HD selling in Akl had Universal MC in Grey Lynn. He purchased Shafts and combined the two and moved it to Newmarket. Smart and likable character!

- When HD was in trouble in US the government stepped in. Put a high import tax on all imported bikes to give HD a few years to get their shit sorted. And they got their shit sorted allright! (Recon NZ gov has something to learn there instead of stupid deals with China that will only kill any industry we have) Then the US gov gradually cut the import tax and hey, US still has a MC manufacturer. One of the best!

- HD was not happy re the publicity they were getting from the outlaw clubs in the beginning. They had not planned to alienate the "normal" biker. But not much they could do. So they started to look at what they could do to change this. Hey, they had a business to run...

- Yes, the HA are not what mothers want their daughters to marry. But have you guys really bought in to all the propaganda re how they rule the world? Are you trying to tell me that guys who, when teenagers, were building bikes in their shed instead of going to school and getting high education, guys who smoked dope, drank booze and snorted speed are better at business then the ones who have degrees and diplomas... That somehow now they have the keys to all the worlds misery... If that was the case, then perhaps we need to re-consider our education system?

So I agree that every kid who gets stuck on P is one too many. But are the HA (or any other club/gang for that matter) the reason kids do it?
Or perhaps the kids useless parents...

Join Michael Laws all you want and ban gang patches. Do you really think that by regulating what ppl can wear you will change their behaviour and look at life?

As long as HA have their patches on at least I can make a judgemet on if I want to talk to a HA or not.

And while I am on my soap box, one more thing:
- If you consider gang members to be the issue. At least, while in a gang, azzholes are together and away from the public. get rid of the gangs and the ones who are azzholes will still be azzholes, but now your problem is that they do not move in a group and can not be recognised...

[mouldy]

And now they universally shaft everyone

[scumdog]

- And while I am on my soap box, one more thing:
- If you consider gang members to be the issue. At least, while in a gang, azzholes are together and away from the public. get rid of the gangs and the ones who are azzholes will still be azzholes, but now your problem is that they do not move in a group and can not be recognised...

Nah, when azzholes were apart and by themselves they would be weak as piss - no support, it's hard to be impressively staunch when you're all alone.

Besides, the IQ level would possibly drop to less than two figures when they are individuals...

[koba]

The nazis were good people if they were on your side, so was stalin, pol pot, charles manson, etc. But for the thousands of innocent people every year that become there victims, they are destroyers of lives.


The etc. could include the United States Government, Victorian England (inventors of the concentration camp), Isreal as aggressors in the middle east and Blah blah de blah.

It all just depends on what side you land on, you use the antagonists as examples only because they are antagonists to us.

[Phuckoff]

Are you speaking from personal knowlage?
Or from media reports and police reports that we all know are tainted.
Labels stick for years, sepecially when the media and police propogate them for their own reason.
One of our CHCH MC clubs changed thier name for this very reason, an incident happened that was blown all out of proportion by the media and police, which ended up with innocents being labeled as criminals.

Sure The Hells Angels are not "angels" but are they really as bad as suggested?


Of course not :innocent:

They're so fucking worse,actually i am far from feeling the need to remain respectful towards your innocence,frankly,are you naïve,actually with them or simply trying to confirm my thoughts of you having a personnality disorder having as the 2nd personnality mother theresa thinking the world is pink as you want to make others believe?

I'll just end this saying i don't see why i should feel the need to belittle them like you do.It's simply weird because the media did not blow it out of proportion,they blew it out of secrecy.And it's just the tip of the icerberg,it doesn't take media to know this!,go out in the streets,a kid died in Canada because of a bomb,girls get raped and gang banged,dropped and oh excuse me,buried in the desert,some dropped in the canals..whatever.Even the mexicans know how to get rid of a body faster and more efficiently..so does the mafia and a couple of good citizens so watch your words and believe some people will die without changing their convictions.Keep them that way if you want but i'm gonna die in truth.

HAs can see me as a loudmouthed coachroach who has no pride,no guts and no brotherhood according to their distorted definition but the truth is i will run on the highway and try to safe your dog from the risk of being potentially hurt in full traffic,don't imagine,i COULD easily die to safe another human.Odds stacked against me i do--not--care this is what a call a hero.Only an asshole will do the things they do.

Bye

[NordieBoy]

Well that was...

Interesting...

[trustme]

Remind me, which planet is just over 1 light year away.:rockon::rockon: