Veitch - lucky his car was well tuned

[Tank]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4684238a11.html

Seems hes had enough of the pressure and he tried to top himself.

Beating ya wife is never on - and the guys an arse for that - but I wouldn't wish this on him.

[Bren]

oh how the mighty have fallen!

[boomer]

oh how the mighty have fallen!

ya dick head.. hes human and got(had) a better job than you... lawl @ you and your tall poppy syndrome!

[Jez]

well it would seem that the trial by media has delivered it verdict :(

[cs363]

well it would seem that the trial by media has delivered it verdict :(


My thoughts exactly!

[Toaster]

Cames Rd Mangawhai... a fairly isolated road. He's "lucky" to have survived.

Regardless of his past (i.e. the alleged charges against him, yet to be proven in court), its sad that he came to the point of attempted suicide - the shame and the very public humiliation would be a heck of a lot for anyone to bear up under.

[Motu]

well it would seem that the trial by media has delivered it verdict :(

Trial by peers,and that's not good whatever social standing your peers have.Try to cover something up and it's sure to unravel....we've all been caught out by that at some stage in our lives,and learned from it.Nothing tall poppy about it - the guy has to front up and deal with it.If he was a bike thief we'd be happy.

[Maha]

Cames Rd Mangawhai... a fairly isolated road. He's "lucky" to have survived.

Regardless of his past (i.e. the alleged charges against him, yet to be proven in court), its sad that he came to the point of attempted suicide - the shame and the very public humiliation would be a heck of a lot for anyone to bear up under.

Isn't suicide illegal??
Attempting it should be added to the charges against him. (p/t)
I should invite Tonz to one of our parties, he would enjoy that....

[cs363]

Cames Rd Mangawhai... a fairly isolated road. He's "lucky" to have survived.

Regardless of his past (i.e. the alleged charges against him, yet to be proven in court), its sad that he came to the point of attempted suicide - the shame and the very public humiliation would be a heck of a lot for anyone to bear up under.

X 2 Don't condone what he alledgedly did, but agree this is very sad.

[Quasievil]

I reckon everyone should leave him the fuck alone, we dont know the full story and whilst I dont condone what he did, I think the way the media circus has got stuck into him is beyond disgusting, we dont treat anyone else that harshly

[cs363]

Yip....think there is definitely more to this story than we've heard so far. Also, why didn't Kristin Dunne-Powell go to the cops in the first place if she was so aggrieved.....seemed happy to take the dosh and shut up at the time, wonder what changed her mind?
(Note - in no way condoning bashing of women or men, or paying of hush money - just wondering aloud)

[Toaster]

Isn't suicide illegal??
Attempting it should be added to the charges against him. (p/t)
I should invite Tonz to one of our parties, he would enjoy that....

Yes it is.... and under the Crimes Act, police have the right to use force to prevent suicide. Section 41 if I recall correctly :Police:

I am sure they used OC spray and batons to help him remove the carbon monoxide from his lungs. <_<

[Maha]

we dont treat anyone else that harshly

What about carver??
He gets his arsed kicked regularly.......:whistle:

[James Deuce]

we dont treat anyone else that harshly
Bullshit. If KB is anything to go by the population would 3.5 million not 4 million.

[ynot slow]

Forgive me guys,but my thoughts are this was a get off my back plea,a suicide person wouldn't phone and tell their dearest they were topping themselves,if they DIDN'T want to be saved.If he wanted to end it go to a cliff and jump.

Sure I agree with everyone here that who he is/was made the news,not what he did,hell read the court reports,how many people are in there for gbh against partner,and we don't give two hoots who they are.

[cs363]

Bullshit. If KB is anything to go by the population would 3.5 million not 4 million.


:lol: Being a bit generous there aren't you? Only 500,000 getting the bullet?!

[Mom]

The distress that he must be feeling at the moment must be horrendous. I hope he gets the support that he obviously needs to get through this next few months. If he dies then the truth will stand as the media have portrayed it. I dont condone what he has allegedly done, but no one deseves to be the victim of a witch hunt!

[jrandom]

Seems hes had enough of the pressure and he tried to top himself.

Limpdick. Didn't even have the balls to do a proper job of it.

[Swoop]

Catalytic converters...

Don't kill you but give a shocking headache, or so I have been told.

[driftn]

I do not condone what he has done but why dont people just leave the guy alone. Sure he should be locked up and have what he did be done to him but.
He is not the only person to beat his missus in this country. How many other people do this? How many do we here about?

A shit load (more when the all blacks loose) and we here about fuck all.

I am over the whole thing lock the guy and and leave him be.
and thats my rant:argh:

[Bren]

ya dick head.. hes human and got(had) a better job than you... lawl @ you and your tall poppy syndrome!


maybe he had a better job than me...does he sleep well at night knowing that he beats up women???..but the douchebag got what deserved...I have no time or respect for people that abuse women, thats just frikkin low!!!

and as far as tall poppy syndrome you could be no further than the truth. I would never want to become a woman beater!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh boo hoo, wanker Veitch tried to top himself. I think he was told to do it by his PR slime, so as to garner public sympathy. Everything we have seen or heard about this is as a result of his slime trying to spin the result. Looks like it worked on the gullible among us.

He is a wife beating cowardly weasel fuck. Dont forget it. Dont get sucked in.

Just goes to show what a wuss he is, trying to top himself because the pressure got too much. Fuck him

[James Deuce]

He's an alleged girlfriend beater.

He's not been convicted yet, but thanks to a smear campaign by his "colleagues" he has been convicted in the minds of every NZer.

Even if he's completely innocent he's fucked now.

Good on ya Kiwi.

[slowpoke]

Oh boo hoo, wanker Veitch tried to top himself. I think he was told to do it by his PR slime, so as to garner public sympathy. Everything we have seen or heard about this is as a result of his slime trying to spin the result. Looks like it worked on the gullible among us.

He is a wife beating cowardly weasel fuck. Dont forget it. Dont get sucked in.

Just goes to show what a wuss he is, trying to top himself because the pressure got too much. Fuck him

I take it someone else wrote your sig for you.....?

[jrandom]

Just goes to show what a wuss he is, trying to top himself because the pressure got too much. Fuck him

:niceone:

Not that I'm prepared to comment on the accusations of violence unless and until the guy gets convicted in court.

But attempting (unsuccessfully, in best 'gesture' fashion) to kill yourself because the media's writing mean stories about you is about as pathetic as it gets.

It's a pity, y'know; if Helen and Winston had similarly thin skins we'd have been happily free of them quite some time ago.

:laugh:

[cs363]

But attempting to kill yourself because the media's writing mean stories about you is about as pathetic as it gets.
It's a pity, y'know; if Helen and Winston had similarly thin skins we'd have been happily free of them quite some time ago.
:laugh:


Now you're talking!!! :laugh:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I take it someone else wrote your sig for you.....?

a man named Jello Biafra.

[Headbanger]

Meh, If he wants to kill himself its no skin off my nose.

The piper must be paid, and he still hasn't taken the route of being a man.

[Jerry74]

Tony Vietch has just in a way said yes I'm guilty...

[Tank]

Tony Vietch has just in a way said yes I'm guilty...

Bollocks - what he has said is hes had enough and cannot take the pressure that has been placed on him.

[jrandom]

He's not been convicted yet, but thanks to a smear campaign by his "colleagues" he has been convicted in the minds of every NZer.

Oh, c'mon. He chose to work in public broadcasting, to be a 'face'. You don't get to embark on that career but still keep your privacy in the face of lurid criminal accusations. S'just not the way the world or human nature works.


Even if he's completely innocent he's fucked now.

Noooo, if he gets acquitted in court, I'd say he'll have a field day. Although his behaviour to date hasn't really anticipated that outcome, has it?

[Titanium]

So, here is a TV guy who alledgedly bashed his chick ...... what about all the other limp dicks out there who enjoy bashing chicks ...... where is the media when that is happening .........

Maybe Winnie (the Pooh) Peters should have a chat to Tony V about how to get the right sort of media coverage..........:cool:

[Skyryder]

He's bought all this on himself. Most of us have been under stress of some kind shit. I could tell you about stress but most of us don't go 'lashing out' becasue of it or use stress as as excuse to 'alledgely kick a female while she's on the floor. Seems he may have knocked her about more than once. Cunts like Veitch need to face up to what they are. Fucking cowards milking the media for a bit of sympathy.

This 'stunt' was nothing more than an excuse for his brief to use medical grounds should he be found guilty ass charged so as not to be sent down. That intelligent people can not see thru this bullshit defies belief.


Skyryder

[terbang]

Those who are serious about topping themselves, do..!

[Skyryder]

well it would seem that the trial by media has delivered it verdict :(

That's not what I read. So many people saying what a great guy he is and his wife saying that she loves him more etc.

Like he's even got a spokesperson putting out the sympathy message etc. Innocent people get by on their belief in their innocence they do not need others to do it for them and certainly not with Veitches media training etc.



Skyryder

[James Deuce]

He'll get what's due in court. THIS thread on the other hand, is a typically uninformed stupidity-fest that KB is so good at.

He is not guilty until each of the 6 charges have been tried in court.

One day you might need the same protection.

[Skyryder]

He'll get what's due in court. THIS thread on the other hand, is a typically uninformed stupidity-fest that KB is so good at.

He is not guilty until each of the 6 charges have been tried in court.

One day you might need the same protection.


KB is not a Court and we are not on the jury so members are not as restricted on giving opinions. But having said that Veitch is on record as 'lashing out' and this was in the context of an assault allegation. So the question is.............what did Veitch mean by his statement and the excuses that he was under pressure. Don't take a rocket scientist to come to the obvious conclusion. I'll give the benifit of the doubt when needed but not with Veitch. This cunt got into a rage kicked a woman on the ground then left her with no medical help at all. Now he goes about a sucide attempt and up jumps the PR campaign about what a nice guy he is. Like I said he has admitted 'lashing out' and on that basis I for one have made up my mind on his statement unless he can give a satisfactory explanation that 'lashing out' meant something else entirely different from an assault.

Skyryder

[alanzs]

Sorry the guy has apparently cracked under the pressure. I feel for his family, as they are innocent and being hurt again by his actions.

[Timber020]

His family I feel sorry for

But he chose the limelight and to be part of the whole blood sucking media circus.
He chose to make the big bucks with his face in the cameras. He cant just cry uncle after HE committed a low life offence against a woman and then used his public image earnings to help cover it up.

This is justice, a bit rough perhaps but its a good message to others that doing this kind of think can ruin your life. He flew high, did wrong and is coming down the earth (or perhaps below the earth if he gets it right)

I dont give a fuck who he is, bash your partner/wife whatever and you deserve to be goneskis.

[davo]

Those who are serious about topping themselves, do..!

Yeah I mostly agree with your point, but even if he wasn't serious its still a pretty serious cry for help. I hope the poor bugger spends some time with his family and friends, and recovers.

[davo]

I dont give a fuck who he is, bash your partner/wife whatever and you deserve to be goneskis.

I hope your talking about his career, not his life!

Yes he is the architect of his own misfortune, but there is worst crimes being comitted in NZ with the offenders receiving less punishment.

[alanzs]

but he chose the limelight and to be part of the whole blood sucking media circus.
He chose to make the big bucks with his face in the cameras. He cant just cry uncle after he committed a low life offence against a woman and then used his public image earnings to help cover it up.

This is justice, a bit rough perhaps but its a good message to others that doing this kind of think can ruin your life. He flew high, did wrong and is coming down the earth (or perhaps below the earth if he gets it right)

i dont give a fuck who he is, bash your partner/wife whatever and you deserve to be goneskis.

According to the NZ Herald "Veitch's lawyers have hired a private investigator to help barrister Stuart Grieve QC uncover details for his defence." So, he's going to attack the victim, one more time. Maybe if he'd man up and get it over, people may have more sympathy for him. Fucking worm.

[Swampdonkey]

yah just dont beat yah missus.........the end.

[Big Dan]

Hi due to recent events and Tony's family request can i plea that we give him his privacy. I don't agree with men hitting anyone let alone a female but its got to the point where he can't take it anymore

So my plea is to the mods and members alike leave him alone

No one deserves to die

[Iggy]

I dont condone violence against your partner, wife or whoever but on the flipside, Dunne-Powells story does not stack up either. She mentioned that she had to resign her high profile job to recover from her injury, since heard that she was made redundant.:confused: Also 1 of the 7 charges against Veitch was assault with water splashed over her face. Come on.....there is always 2 sides to the real facts on what happened. Dunne-Powell took the money and squeeled to the cops. I smell a rat here.........

[shafty]

I reckon everyone should leave him the fuck alone, we dont know the full story and whilst I dont condone what he did, I think the way the media circus has got stuck into him is beyond disgusting, we dont treat anyone else that harshly

X 2 - my thoughts exactly

[Ixion]

Sins, stones that sort of thing. He's not a biker, it's none of our business. A matter for him, the woman and the cops.

And if he were a biker, it's not the biker way to kick a man when he's down.

[Timber020]

Hi due to recent events and Tony's family request can i plea that we give him his privacy. I don't agree with men hitting anyone let alone a female but its got to the point where he can't take it anymore

So my plea is to the mods and members alike leave him alone

No one deserves to die

LOTS of scum in this world that deserve to die. The list is so long I will need to take out a morgage or two to cover the number of .22 needed just to show I have made a start.

People who think theres good in everyone, havent met everyone yet.

[boomer]

maybe he had a better job than me...does he sleep well at night knowing that he beats up women???..but the douchebag got what deserved...I have no time or respect for people that abuse women, thats just frikkin low!!!

and as far as tall poppy syndrome you could be no further than the truth. I would never want to become a woman beater!

You're dafter than you make out, i was making a comment based on your 'mighty' and 'fallen' comments.... nothing to do with him or his alleged crime; more based on the fact that your too quick to have a dig at someone in the limelight....


shows you up for what you are... :niceone:

[young1]

Poor guy, I really feel for him and his family and friends for this latest news (NOT what has gone down in the past).

[Big Dan]

LOTS of scum in this world that deserve to die. The list is so long I will need to take out a morgage or two to cover the number of .22 needed just to show I have made a start.

People who think theres good in everyone, havent met everyone yet.

your missing my point mate

we should do want he wants and as Quasi said ""Leave him the fuck alone""

can i request that mods close this thread and any other thread that starts about TV out of respect to his family and him

[young1]

can i request that mods close this thread and any other thread that starts about TV out of respect to his family and him

I agree, this is a guy who has attempted suicide, his family and freinds don't need to see this post.

[Slyer]

I can't believe she took the money and still dobbed him in. What a bitch.

They should let him off.

[Robbo]

Amazing is'nt it. Guilty untill proven otherwise. This has been a trial by media fest and much speculation based on what has been reported in the papers. We all know just how accurate and honest they are don't we (Yeah Right!! )
There are always two sides to every story and situation and so far no one has mentioned or speculated as to the other side. Just reading between the lines i am sure you will find that there is a lot more to it than meets the eye.
Reporters don't give a damn as to who's lives or families that they destroy in their feeble attempt to get a headline in the paper and when the alleged offender is found to be innocent do you see a retraction or appology to follow?? No fucking way do you get this from these scumbags.
How about we wait for the outcome of a court case before we crucify anybody.
:mad:

[Dilligaf]

Sins, stones that sort of thing. He's not a biker, it's none of our business. A matter for him, the woman and the cops.

And if he were a biker, it's not the biker way to kick a man when he's down.

So it's okay to kick a woman when she's down then? As the ex girlfriend allegedly was???

[Brett]

I am tired of everyone bagging the guys. Sure he did a really stupid thing, but prior to this ever coming into the public eye, he took matters into his own hands and got help with his issues. Hat off to the guy for that. It is so fricken typical that it would make it out in the media and that everyone would start tearing him to shreds. I hope all you media trying, assumption making noobs dont get nailed to a cross for your dirty laundry.

[Brett]

So it's okay to kick a woman when she's down then? As the ex girlfriend allegedly was???

No it is DEFINITELY not. But it is also not ok for everyone to be armchair jurors and judges.

[Skyryder]

Sins, stones that sort of thing. He's not a biker, it's none of our business. A matter for him, the woman and the cops.

And if he were a biker, it's not the biker way to kick a man when he's down.

And it's not a man's way to kick a woman when she's down either, oops correction, aledgedly kick a woman, and then leave her.

Be a sad ole forum if members only commented on those things that are our buisness.
That's what makes this place so interesting we all got opinions and arn't afraid to let them out.


Skyryder

[devnull]

I am tired of everyone bagging the guys. Sure he did a really stupid thing, but prior to this ever coming into the public eye, he took matters into his own hands and got help with his issues. Hat off to the guy for that. It is so fricken typical that it would make it out in the media and that everyone would start tearing him to shreds. I hope all you media trying, assumption making noobs dont get nailed to a cross for your dirty laundry.

Likewise.
The amount of bullshit spouted by people who blindly believe everything the media spoonfeeds them is sickening.

Says a lot for their level of intelligence though.

TV3 spouted so much shit that was easily shown to be false with a simple Google search, yet they still lapped it up.

Good on the guy for taking responsibility at the time, and sorting his shit out. Too many dickheads conveniently overlook the fact that her demands for more money only came AFTER he was to be married - 2 years later....

[Tank]

TV3 spouted so much shit that was easily shown to be false with a simple Google search, yet they still lapped it up.
.

Like what exactly?

[Tank]

I think that the entire 'trial by media thing sucks' - generally because it is so often wrong.

But - that's part of the price of being in the limelight. People know that going in.

The fact is he has admitted to 'lashing out' - That's never OK. (Just has he says in the adverts). And he tried to use the money at his disposal to get out of the consequences of his actions (I do know that paying money is still a consequence - but he only did this because he had the funds and the consequences were going to be worse - possibly jail time).

Nobody can argue with that - its all public domain and he has admitted it.

So I have no issue that he lost his jobs and is off TV nor that he is facing criminal charges and jail time.

Indeed - I'm supportive of that for ANYBODY who gives his wife the bash.

However, I believe that he should have been given name supression until the charges were proven - indeed that should be a right in the majority of cases where there was no immeadiate threat to the community.

Its tragic that anyone gets to the point of taking their life - but unfortuantley there are many people in NZ that do just that.

As for feeling sorry for him personally? I dont know. Why? It all depends on why he tried killing himself.

People are funny - and whats important to some is less so to others. Has he done it because hes so overcome with grief that he broke her back? I dont think so.

Is it because hes been caught out and his fairytail live is falling apart - Im guessing probaly. That I have less sympathy for.

[westie]

Two sides to all stories, interesting the media havent been hounding the victim for information.
I hope he defends "the allegations" well.

[Taz]

"I hope ... the people who have put Tony in this position are happy."

Tony put Tony in this position...........

Personal responsibility is lacking in this world.

[forkoil]

He's an alleged girlfriend beater.

He's not been convicted yet, but thanks to a smear campaign by his "colleagues" he has been convicted in the minds of every NZer.

Even if he's completely innocent he's fucked now.

Good on ya Kiwi.
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[Murray]

Don't you love the media at the moment and their use of the word "allegedly". Seems to be used for everything and no-one can dispute it!! I like the article on Toni Browns brother who was allegedly at a party that allegedly went so long and allededly started at such and such time blah blah blah!! And now the new one is "a neighbour said", well why don't they name the neighbour??? 3 neighbours got quoted in the above mentioned article.

Trial by media - death by media

Wish they were forced to report facts only (not alleged facts)

[raftn]

I do not wish to comment on Tony vietch, what i will say is that we are all only one decision away from screwing up our lives, as the quote goes.....People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Winston001]

I think the problem for Veitch is that he is percieved as a yuppie with resources so far beyond the average person that whatever he says, it sounds manufactured. Having a "spokesperson", a "lawyer", a "publicist" say things on his behalf just isn't possible for 99% of the population.

There are two themes in this thread:

1. Sympathy for a man who feels so desperate that he wanted to take his life. I agree.

2. Disdain that he hasn't been honest and fronted up. I also agree.

If you go into the District Court any day you'll see men who have assaulted their partners fronting up, ashamed, and pleading guilty.

Veitch has already admitted "lashing out". He has never denied the back injuries and hospitalisation etc. If he'd done a Norm Hewitt and come clean he'd have been respected.

[Tank]

He has never denied the back injuries and hospitalisation etc. If he'd done a Norm Hewitt and come clean he'd have been respected.

of course the right time to have done this was when the event happened - not once he had been caught out.

Otherwise everything is seen as "Im sorry I got caught" not "Im sorry I did it" which is probably the truth.

[The Stranger]

Isn't suicide illegal??


Did I miss something in the article, was suicide mentioned or intimated - or were you merely musing?

[ManDownUnder]

I reckon everyone should leave him the fuck alone, we dont know the full story and whilst I dont condone what he did, I think the way the media circus has got stuck into him is beyond disgusting, we dont treat anyone else that harshly

Agreed... blingo blingo blingo.

[The Stranger]

He is not guilty until each of the 6 charges have been tried in court.


Isn't one guilty of committing a crime when they actually commit it, not just when found out and tried?

[ManDownUnder]

"I hope ... the people who have put Tony in this position are happy."

Tony put Tony in this position...........

Personal responsibility is lacking in this world.

Tony put Tony into the papers? What'd he do - write the articles? Yes he did badly - so have a lot of people. But it's the press in their blood lust to sell advertising space (fuelled by the public's lust for gossip that is NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS)...

... I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.

I feel sorry for him. He wants help, he needs help and he doesn't need a pack of wolves cirling witing to devour the NEXT round of details on this sad saga.

[devnull]

Like what exactly?

Alleging she was so badly injured that she had to quit her job, for one.

Unfortunately for TV3, Google caches sites, and just happens to have a goodly number of press releases she made for Vodafone during that time.
Right up to the move to a new job

Crappy tabloid television at its finest.

What ever happened to "news" being factual?
This whole saga stopped being news and became persecution quite a long time ago.

Talking about being "in the public eye" is bullshit.
Politicians are, and have committed no shortage of crimes (e.g. paintergate), but they are "hands-off" it seems.

Really smacks of hypocrisy to me.

[avgas]

and you all thought i was kidding when i said that i hope he didnt top himself.
anyone who knows stress and depression knows that sometimes more doors close than open

[Scouse]

I reckon everyone should leave him the fuck alone, we dont know the full story and whilst I dont condone what he did, I think the way the media circus has got stuck into him is beyond disgusting, we dont treat anyone else that harshlyActualy I agree with you for once there Quasi. All you twats that are suffering tall poppy syndrome leave the guy alone none of you know the full story and no one will until it is tested in court so shutup

[Maha]

Did I miss something in the article, was suicide mentioned or intimated - or were you merely musing?

Not musing, I dont muse, merely or otherwise :msn-wink:

[forkoil]

Isn't one guilty of committing a crime when they actually commit it, not just when found out and tried?
The way the law works is.....
You get charged, go to court, get judged and if found guilty, THEN you are guilty UNDER THE LAW.
You would have lost your license many times over under your rules Noel.

[cs363]

The way the law works is.....
You get charged, go to court, get judged and if found guilty, THEN you are guilty UNDER THE LAW.
You would have lost your license many times over under your rules Noel.

Exactly - same rules as MNZ, Tour de France, Olympics and a bunch of other sports it ain't cheating unless you get caught.... :whistle:

[The Stranger]

The way the law works is.....
You get charged, go to court, get judged and if found guilty, THEN you are guilty UNDER THE LAW.
You would have lost your license many times over under your rules Noel.

No I wouldn't, because I didn't get caught or convicted - but I'm still bloody guilty of speeding on numerous occasions.

Why the hoo ha over NZ first failing to declare donations?
The statute of limitations (conveniently 6 months) has expired and they didn't get caught within that time frame so it was all legit right?

The post from cs363 sums up the attitude nicely. It aint cheating until you get caught - hello it actually is.
Stretching the rules - well that I accept may be a grey area and a governing body may need to decide.

The difference as I see it is this, someone in this case is a fucken liar.
Now whoever it is ought to bloody own up and take responsibility - it doesn't need a court case to accept responsibility for your actions.

Note, I haven't convicted him, for all I know it may be her that is telling porkies - but one party surely is.

[forkoil]

Yeah I agree but I wasnt alluding to the possibility of his having done it and still having to be convicted, but rather that WE DONT KNOW HE DID. Well we dont, but the media seems to have made up its mind, and thats the core issue here.

[The Stranger]

Yeah I agree but I wasnt alluding to the possibility of his having done it and still having to be convicted, but rather that WE DONT KNOW HE DID. Well we dont, but the media seems to have made up its mind, and thats the core issue here.

I do hear you and I do think it is "A" core issue here.
But I also believe that there is another core issue.
One of personal responsibility, and can't help but wonder if that was addressed by the parties would the other core issue simply disappear?

[devnull]

No I wouldn't, because I didn't get caught or convicted - but I'm still bloody guilty of speeding on numerous occasions.

Why the hoo ha over NZ first failing to declare donations?
The statute of limitations (conveniently 6 months) has expired and they didn't get caught within that time frame so it was all legit right?

The post from cs363 sums up the attitude nicely. It aint cheating until you get caught - hello it actually is.
Stretching the rules - well that I accept may be a grey area and a governing body may need to decide.

The difference as I see it is this, someone in this case is a fucken liar.
Now whoever it is ought to bloody own up and take responsibility - it doesn't need a court case to accept responsibility for your actions.

Note, I haven't convicted him, for all I know it may be her that is telling porkies - but one party surely is.

I would've thought that the first 2 payments of $12k each to her for medical and lost wages, along with getting counselling, AND donating to a womens violence group was pretty much not only accepting responsibility, but going one better by attempting to sort personal issues out so it didn't happen again

The media circus was all about lifting ratings - what other 2 year old suspected crime gets this much media attention?

Helen's forgeries? Heather's conspiring to destroy evidence?

Or even the teen scumbag that dropped an 8kg lump of concrete off an overbridge, instantly killing a 20 year old driver? (Yep, that was 2006, as was the Kahui murders)

Guess the public love witchhunts. No matter what atonement he made, the public want to see someone suffer continuously, until they feel compelled to take their own life.

Lets face it, the public are scum

[The Stranger]

I would've thought that the first 2 payments of $12k each to her for medical and lost wages, along with getting counselling, AND donating to a womens violence group was pretty much not only accepting responsibility, but going one better by attempting to sort personal issues out so it didn't happen again

The media circus was all about lifting ratings - what other 2 year old suspected crime gets this much media attention?

Helen's forgeries? Heather's conspiring to destroy evidence?

Or even the teen scumbag that dropped an 8kg lump of concrete off an overbridge, instantly killing a 20 year old driver? (Yep, that was 2006, as was the Kahui murders)

Guess the public love witchhunts. No matter what atonement he made, the public want to see someone suffer continuously, until they feel compelled to take their own life.

Lets face it, the public are scum

Well perhaps you could assist me to make an informed decision as I am seeing mixed messages. On the one hand you say he accepts it yet apparently his publicist was saying he will "vigorously defend" the charges.

Or are you suggesting that you should be able to buy your way around the law of the land?

Once again, is there something in the quoted article to suggest there was a suicide attempt?

[devnull]

It was reported that after the alleged incident, neither party realised the extent of injury, and after they did, he helped her out regarding lost wages, expenses, etc., and that he voluntarily attended counselling to address his issues.

What I'm pointing out is that the guy actually did more to both look after her as well as get himself sorted than any court would've required.

If police were going to charge you with assault for throwing water, would you put up with that bullshit? We know it'll never stand up in court - it's just a means of applying psychological pressure. As we've seen, it worked. He attempted suicide.

I got the impression that there's a lot more to it than what the media decided to report. I did see another site reported a bit of her background, but then removed it because it breached a suppression order.

The whole sad story has been a media witchhunt from the start.
And to be honest, if someone blackmailed you to the tune of $150k, what would you do?

If this guy is the really monster the media wanted us to believe, wouldn't he have just paid $50k and had the problem permanently removed?

I'd never heard of him before this story broke (not being much of a sports fan), but as it dragged on, I couldn't believe how the guy got crucified by his peers, based mainly on hearsay.

I swear those bastards would eat their own young.

[Tank]

It was reported that after the alleged incident, neither party realised the extent of injury, and after they did, he helped her out regarding lost wages, expenses, etc., and that he voluntarily attended counselling to address his issues.

It wasn't just the one incident - its several. Thats several occasions where he kicked the fuck out of a woman - once breaking her back.

Not a very fucken good job as addressing his issues - he only did that when he 'did the big one' - Wonder what his motivation was? Why didn't he do it after the first few times he supposedly did it?


If police were going to charge you with assault for throwing water, would you put up with that bullshit?

There was some mention of water - but I think you will find - you know with the broken back and all that there was some more serious assaults. But nice of you to look at the one 'stupid statement' and say would you put up with that bullshit?

he only Bullshit is over looking all the other stuff - and referring to it as throwing water. FFS - look at the bigger picture.




We know it'll never stand up in court - it's just a means of applying psychological pressure. As we've seen, it worked. He attempted suicide.

It will never stand up in court - How would you know - you go on about people not knowing the facts - yet here you are saying that its not going to get thru the courts????

Being made to go to court to face charges isnt anything about applying pressure - its about being held to trial.



I got the impression that there's a lot more to it than what the media decided to report.

Probally right


I did see another site reported a bit of her background, but then removed it because it breached a suppression order.

What the fuck has her background got to do with the charges? Its like inferring a girl with a 'friendly' background deserves to be raped? Her background has nothing to do with the incident.



And to be honest, if someone blackmailed you to the tune of $150k, what would you do?

First you say he helped with the money - now its blackmail. So who is the idiot judging the woman guilty of a crime shes not even charged with just based on stuff you have read in the media - talk about double standards!!

[devnull]

It wasn't just the one incident - its several. Thats several occasions where he kicked the fuck out of a woman - once breaking her back.

Not a very fucken good job as addressing his issues - he only did that when he 'did the big one' - Wonder what his motivation was? Why didn't he do it after the first few times he supposedly did it?


Alleged. where's the proof?



There was some mention of water - but I think you will find - you know with the broken back and all that there was some more serious assaults. But nice of you to look at the one 'stupid statement' and say would you put up with that bullshit?

he only Bullshit is over looking all the other stuff - and referring to it as throwing water. FFS - look at the bigger picture.



I am



It will never stand up in court - How would you know - you go on about people not knowing the facts - yet here you are saying that its not going to get thru the courts????

Being made to go to court to face charges isnt anything about applying pressure - its about being held to trial.



FFS. Guess that means I'll have the AOS turn up on the doorstep if I squirt the kids with a garden hose...





What the fuck has her background got to do with the charges? Its like inferring a girl with a 'friendly' background deserves to be raped? Her background has nothing to do with the incident.



Because it's relevant, and your comparison is bullshit.
You might as well have said you think a paedophile shouldn't get a harsher sentence for his/her 3rd conviction, because their past has nothing to do with the current offence.



First you say he helped with the money - now its blackmail. So who is the idiot judging the woman guilty of a crime shes not even charged with just based on stuff you have read in the media - talk about double standards!!

Dude, you got reading difficulties?

There's a big difference between helping out at the time when you realise what's happened, and getting demands from an ex and a tabloid reporter 2 years later...

BTW, "broken back" was sensationalist media hype. If you actually read the impartial piece the Herald ran, it was 2 cracked vertebra that hadn't been noticed initially, even with x-rays. but I guess factual reporting doesn't boost ratings, or get the great unwashed foaming at the mouth

[The Stranger]

Because it's relevant, and your comparison is bullshit.
You might as well have said you think a paedophile shouldn't get a harsher sentence for his/her 3rd conviction, because their past has nothing to do with the current offence.



Actually it's more like you are saying it is the kids fault they were molested.

[devnull]

Actually it's more like you are saying it is the kids fault they were molested.

How do you figure that?

Are you saying that something else, that occured more recently, shouldn't have any bearing or be admissable?

Why?

Isn't that why courts are charged with determining credibility?
Or are everyone's action completely seperate events that have no relationship with each other?

I pointed out that there's a lot more than has been reported, and this witchhunt has been fueled by a media feeding frenzy. Not even journalism - it's playing to the public as a modern day Roman circus.

Sorry, but I don't approve of trial by media - it's complete bullshit designed to give the ignorant some cheap thrills while conveniently ignoring
the damage done. And it's seldom, if ever, accurate.

[The Stranger]

How do you figure that?



Tank was saying that the victims background (in this case) was largely irrelavent.

You however were comparing his position to that of the perp


Because it's relevant, and your comparison is bullshit.
You might as well have said you think a paedophile shouldn't get a harsher sentence for his/her 3rd conviction, because their past has nothing to do with the current offence.


With logic like that I prey you are never on a jury, the poor fucken victim will hang.

[devnull]

With logic like that I prey you are never on a jury, the poor fucken victim will hang.

Dude, if it was one of my kids that was molested, they'd never survive long enough to get to a court...

[Tank]

Devnul - You seem to have a very one eyed view of this whole thing.

OK - so all the assaults are alleged - I agree with you on that - its not proven (or not) until its been thru the courts.

BUT - you take all his statements as fact - You cannot have it both ways.

So you asked for proof - I can only offer that the informed Police have seen fit to lay charges. Do you have any proof that TV did all the things he said - or are you only taking his word for it ?

Im not looking to get you to change what you think - but you can at least give her the same benefit of the doubt as you give him.

I asked how you know that it will never stand up in court - as you only have the same info as the rest of us - you cannot give a reasonable answer instead go on about AOS and water pistols - It just shows that you have no idea really - just like the rest of us. Not that it stops you from having a strong view on it.

Re the background - I still fail to see how thats relevant- you keep saying that it is - but offer no reasonable reason.

So- I say again - its not. You say it is - why?

Basically you have added nothing - you just keep banging on like a TV fanboi, taking his word but putting down anyone who has come to a different view from you after reading the same crap in the papers.

BTW - you say :" BTW, "broken back" was sensationalist media hype. If you actually read the impartial piece the Herald ran, it was 2 cracked vertebra that hadn't been noticed initially, even with x-rays. "

by definition - thats a broken back. And I do remember reading that she was in a wheelchair for a period - although Im sure she just did that for shits and giggles.

[Tank]

Dude, if it was one of my kids that was molested, they'd never survive long enough to get to a court...

Just remember dude - its only alleged he did it - you have to wait until its gone to court before you kill him p/t

[devnull]

See, there's the problem...

You just highlighted several of the many inconsistancies in the media
regarding all this.

The only solid statements reported have been:
a) he said he lashed out
b) police stated they were charging him

Her story was released via a British tabloid media reporter - that was
no secret...

All the rest was hype or third parties....

Wonder where the wheelchair came from - wasn't it a hospital staff member that said she walked out?
That doesn't gel with carrying a massage table and cooking a Valentines Day dinner, does it? Or it's one hell of a wheelchair...

Maybe I'm being cynical, not believing what passes for television news these days.

I'm not going to repeat on here what may still be suppressed - I'm assuming it is, because the post was removed from the site it was on after about 3 days.

One thing's for sure - if they drag everything out in court, as they probably will, there'll be no winners.

The timing smacks more of a woman scorned, but I'll reserve judgement. I don't think he's blameless, any more than I think she is.

I'm not saying she asked to be assaulted, but I do think her subsequent actions are very questionable, to say the least

[devnull]

Just remember dude - its only alleged he did it - you have to wait until its gone to court before you kill him p/t

Ah, but you see, I'm very protective of my kids...

Anyone bringing them harm like that would have no further need of a birth certificate.
And given that the little scumbag that dropped the concrete onto the car in 2006, instantly killing the driver, only got 4 years, do you really think I'd want to trust a court? Especially a NZ one? :ar15:

[Skyryder]

I don't need some Judge to make up my mind on Veitche's guilt or innocence.

One hundred and fifty thousand smackaroo's,and 'I lashed out' is good enough for me.

Veitch should have kept his mouth shut. But oh no he thought he could smooth talk NZ. That's the bit that I have taken personaly.

For those of you who want to give him the benefit of the doubt your choice.

I've made mine.

Skyryder

[devnull]

I don't need some Judge to make up my mind on Veitche's guilt or innocence.

One hundred and fifty thousand smackaroo's,and 'I lashed out' is good enough for me.

Veitch should have kept his mouth shut. But oh no he thought he could smooth talk NZ. That's the bit that I have taken personaly.

For those of you who want to give him the benefit of the doubt your choice.

I've made mine.

Skyryder

Well, it was the $150k that really cast doubt on it for me...

A demand like that, after 2 years, in return for silence, seems to be blackmail, not matter how you try to justify it.

You either file a police complaint, or you don't.
But to join up with a tabloid reporter and do that?

Sorry, I don't see how that's all above board

An interesting take on the media behaviour, written by a journalist.
Not speculating on the case, but rather looking at what passes for journalism in NZ these days:

http://poneke.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/veitch/

[Skyryder]

Not speculating on the case, but rather looking at what passes for journalism in NZ these days:



Yep I'd be looking at the timeline from when Veitch's Misses got the phone call and when the Heli was informed...........and anything in between.


I still think it was a PR job..............and it seems to be working. Just watch his PR and lawyers milk public opinion for Veitch's benifit. This is the start of his public remorse. Yea right. Why's it taken so long?


Skyryder

[Winston001]

Talking about being "in the public eye" is bullshit.
Politicians are, and have committed no shortage of crimes (e.g. paintergate), but they are "hands-off" it seems.



Well no. Firstly, Helen Clark scribbling her name on a painting for a charity fund-raiser (a decent thing for which she received nothing) cannot be compared with a guy kicking his ex-girlfriend. The "crimes" are worlds apart.

Secondly, politicians do get crucified - Colin Moyle, John kirk (Norm Kirk's son), Dover Samuels (pissing on a hotel floor, and taking advantage of a young ward in his home), John Tamihere, Tuku Morgan of the $90 undies fame....the list goes on.

Thirdly the passing of time does not erase crime - Louise Nicholas and Schollum, Rickards, and Shipton.

[Winston001]

Tony put Tony into the papers? What'd he do - write the articles? Yes he did badly - so have a lot of people. But it's the press in their blood lust to sell advertising space (fuelled by the public's lust for gossip that is NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS)...

... I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.

I feel sorry for him. He wants help, he needs help and he doesn't need a pack of wolves cirling waiting to devour the NEXT round of details on this sad saga.

Yeah respect for you and know what you mean.

The thing is, atonement comes from acknowledgement of wrong-doing. Its bloody hard to do and requires courage. Honestly, I think he's been badly advised. If he'd fronted up with his version of the facts in the first week, shed a few tears, admitted the assault (not just the carefully crafted "lashed out") he'd have turned the story around.

He's now facing 6 charges. He may very well avoid conviction on some of them but the police don't prosecute just to pass the time of day. A Crown prosecutor will have looked very hard at the evidence first. Ultimately it'll be his word against hers - just like Louise Nicholas - and we know the public's view on that travesty.

Not guilty only means not proven. It certainly doesn't mean innocent.

[Winston001]

Is it possible the supposed $150,000 was nothing to do with the assault? That part of it was relationship (matrimonial) property being finally settled between them?

[devnull]

Well no. Firstly you cannot compare Helen Clark scribbling her name on a painting for a charity fund-raiser - a decent thing for which she received nothing - with a guy kicking his ex-girlfriend. The "crimes" are worlds apart.

Secondly, politicians do get crucified - Colin Moyle, John kirk (Norm Kirk's son), Dover Samuels (pissing on a hotel floor, and maybe taking advantage of a young ward in hishome), John Tamihere, Tuku Morgan of the $90 undies fame....the list goes on.

Thirdly the passing of time does not erase crime - Louise Nicholas and Schollum, Rickard, and the other guy.

Do you really think so?
Police found a prima facie case to answer for forgery and conspiracy to defraud, but declined to prosecute.... Benson-Pope is another one...

Tamihere was found not guilty, but it didn't matter by then - nobody cared what the courts said...

[Tank]

Well, it was the $150k that really cast doubt on it for me...

A demand like that, after 2 years, in return for silence, seems to be blackmail, not matter how you try to justify it.

You either file a police complaint, or you don't.
But to join up with a tabloid reporter and do that?

Sorry, I don't see how that's all above board



here you go again - you get all this information from where exactly? - oh thats right - the media.

So if its bad about him - its the media.
Bad about her - then its fact.

You sound like a bloke who's been donw over by a missus at some point in time. Seek help and get over it.

[devnull]

here you go again - you get all this information from where exactly? - oh thats right - the media.

So if its bad about him - its the media.
Bad about her - then its fact.

You sound like a bloke who's been donw over by a missus at some point in time. Seek help and get over it.

Wrong again.... the media beatup has been very one-sided, and seems to be nothing more than tabloid journalism.

That such a demand could be made after the fact, with people condoning it or ignoring it as you appear to be doing, smacks of hypocrisy.
That's just double standards. Either you apply the law equally, or you don't.

But I don't buy the "all are equal, but some are more equal than others" crap.

I'll be sure to ask my wife of 12 years if she's "done me over" lately and I haven't noticed... :jerry:

Even more disturbing.... a 15 year old girl is caught out in Chch attempting to lure other kids into suicide pacts.
Where's the public outcry in that case? Why is there no punishment?
I bet most people never even noticed it.

What a sad indictment on the average mentality of the general public.

[Tank]

Wrong again.... the media beatup has been very one-sided, and seems to be nothing more than tabloid journalism.

That such a demand could be made after the fact, with people condoning it or ignoring it as you appear to be doing, smacks of hypocrisy.
That's just double standards. Either you apply the law equally, or you don't.



Im not condoning anything - its a simply question - You are saying that the madia etc are crap and that there is more to it, and that we cannot trust everything we see in the papers / TV etc right?

Yet you make statements about the woman and quote the same media but say its fact.

Thats all Im trying to point out.

BTW - Perhaps Tony was in the pact with the 12yo?

edit - this is going nowhere - Im out of this thread. Cya!

[ManDownUnder]

Not guilty only means not proven. It certainly doesn't mean innocent.

Agreed - I'm a fan of accountability... if he did the crime(s) he does the time... that's the way it should be.

My problem is when the pulicity surrounding it escalates to a point where the gossip and personal humiliation for him, his friends and immediate family becomes an intolerable punishment - as it seems to have in this case. He's looking for an escape, a way out of the situation.

The punishment no longer fits the crime, and shows no signs of slowing. We (the public) should be ashamed.

[Murray]

The punishment no longer fits the crime, and shows no signs of slowing. We (the public) should be ashamed.

Totally agree!!!

And so should the media for there coverage!!!!

[devnull]

Agreed - I'm a fan of accountability... if he did the crime(s) he does the time... that's the way it should be.

My problem is when the pulicity surrounding it escalates to a point where the gossip and personal humiliation for him, his friends and immediate family becomes an intolerable punishment - as it seems to have in this case. He's looking for an escape, a way out of the situation.

The punishment no longer fits the crime, and shows no signs of slowing. We (the public) should be ashamed.

Exactly. It's not an investigation into a historic assault, it's become persecution via the media.

And that's something I find very distasteful.

You see it happen in the US, and people's lives are completely destroyed as a result. That the same behaviour is becoming popular here is a pretty sad indictment on the people of NZ.

[dipshit]

New Zealand's little version of OJ Simpson.

:whistle:

[Skyryder]

Well no. Firstly you cannot compare Helen Clark scribbling her name on a painting for a charity fund-raiser - a decent thing for which she received nothing -

Yep agreed those that slagged her on this fail to mention the intent. Her sige was to raise money for charity. Forgers to which she was accused, sign for personal gain.


Skyryder

[The Stranger]

Agreed - I'm a fan of accountability... if he did the crime(s) he does the time... that's the way it should be.

My problem is when the pulicity surrounding it escalates to a point where the gossip and personal humiliation for him, his friends and immediate family becomes an intolerable punishment - as it seems to have in this case. He's looking for an escape, a way out of the situation.

The punishment no longer fits the crime, and shows no signs of slowing. We (the public) should be ashamed.

That's all well and good, and I agree that the press are coonts and that it is entirely possible the the punishment has exceeded the crime, but is he the architect of his own demise?

FFS, man up, admit it, face the consequences - I am certain a judge will take past deeds etc into consideration. By vigorously defending the charges he invites the treatment he is receiving.

Now sure, if he is innocent by all means defend it, however his admissions and actions would appear to at odds with that.

This is why the press is having a field day. All he has to do is take their storey away and it all ends. It's his decision.

[ManDownUnder]

By vigorously defending the charges he invites the treatment he is receiving.

Yes and no - he's surely acting under the advice of a lawyer.

Manning up and dealing with the fallout. Hell yes. That's got to be the least painful route to purdition.

I'm pretty keen for his ex to have her day in court too (I assume she is for blackmail etc?)

[devnull]

Yep agreed those that slagged her on this fail to mention the intent. Her sige was to raise money for charity. Forgers to which she was accused, sign for personal gain.


Skyryder

Are you saying that the law should be applied selectively, as it was in that case? Surely, if a prima facie case is proven (as it was), it's up to the courts to decide...

Why should people place any faith in the law when clearly it only applies to some, not all?

[Patrick]

He's bought all this on himself. Most of us have been under stress of some kind shit. I could tell you about stress but most of us don't go 'lashing out' becasue of it or use stress as as excuse to 'alledgely kick a female while she's on the floor. Seems he may have knocked her about more than once. Cunts like Veitch need to face up to what they are. Fucking cowards milking the media for a bit of sympathy.

This 'stunt' was nothing more than an excuse for his brief to use medical grounds should he be found guilty ass charged so as not to be sent down. That intelligent people can not see thru this bullshit defies belief.


Skyryder

Who is this Skyrider, the one who speaks of innocence until proven guilty, and, more importantly, innocent even when found guilty.... ???????????

[Patrick]

And if he were a biker, it's not the biker way to kick a man when he's down.

Depends on the type of biker you mean... seen some Head Hunter / Hells Angels put the boot in.....



I'm pretty keen for his ex to have her day in court too (I assume she is for blackmail etc?)

Blackmail? She demanded the money? He gave it to her to keep her quiet, perhaps? As Winston pointed out, the splitting of property, perhaps?

Trial by media this has most certainly been.

A bad path to do down, indeed.....

[ManDownUnder]

Blackmail? She demanded the money? He gave it to her to keep her quiet, perhaps? As Winston pointed out, the splitting of property, perhaps?

Trial by media this has most certainly been.

A bad path to do down, indeed.....

Fair call - there's me getting caught up in the hype.

Let me rephrase... I hope all those that did wrong are held accountable and go through the official process (does that sound pompous or what???)

[Patrick]

Fair call - there's me getting caught up in the hype.

Let me rephrase... I hope all those that did wrong are held accountable and go through the official process (does that sound pompous or what???)

Not at all. :Punk:

This one has gone via the media first... that is the issue.....:no:

[Indiana_Jones]

What I don't get is why the media isn't on the lady's back, she took the money. If that's the case, I donno, I wasn't there.

I hope she gives it back, Tony might need it!

-Indy

[AllanB]

Sounds like the dude needs a motorcycle to take for a good blast and forget the shit for a couple of hours.

A decent bike like a Honda :2thumbsup

[Slyer]

None of this would have happened if he tried it on a motorcycle... He would have been successful.

[Skyryder]

Are you saying that the law should be applied selectively, as it was in that case? Surely, if a prima facie case is proven (as it was), it's up to the courts to decide...

Why should people place any faith in the law when clearly it only applies to some, not all?

There may well have been, don't know so will take your word. But there was no intent to defraud or for that matter any personal gain. If you believe other wise then so be it.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Who is this Skyrider, the one who speaks of innocence until proven guilty, and, more importantly, innocent even when found guilty.... ???????????

The difference is that one has admitted to 'lashing out' and coughing up some dosh.
You can come to some other inferance from that than I have.


The other pleaded not guilty and cost the taxpayer two mill to have him stitched up.:buggerd:

I'll give the benefit of the doubt when required but unless Dunne-Powell is an expensive hooker with a fetish for masochism I'll come to the obvous conclusion that Veitch is guilty as charged. Of course in the eyes of the law he is innocent but I'm not the law and think otherwise.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

My inference is the same as yours actually....

What worries me is that he has been tried by nothing but the media. Dodgy at best and a worrying trend the media seem to be picking up on with all too regularity of late. They can say what they like and there is no recourse.

2 Million to catch a killer, I say. You say 2 mill to stitch him up.... But lets not get on that roundabout.....

[twotyred]

totally disgusting,hopefully this example of the media pushing a man with problems,to the edge will not go unpunished.
We the people are responsible for what we allow our media(and gubmint) to push down our throats unchecked... NZ should feel ashamed.

[alanzs]

You see it happen in the US, and people's lives are completely destroyed as a result. That the same behaviour is becoming popular here is a pretty sad indictment on the people of NZ.

NZ has no moral high ground in the media. When the NZ Herald put Rachel Guccina (sp) in their rag, subscriptions went up 30%. She's their gossip columnist. Sad shit, but money is the motivator, not public service or the truth. :bash:

[Patrick]

What I don't get is why the media isn't on the lady's back, she took the money. If that's the case, I donno, I wasn't there.

I hope she gives it back, Tony might need it!

-Indy

It was broken, remember? Sounds like it was earned. The courts would never order such a large payout. I hope she gets more.....

[Winston001]

Are you saying that the law should be applied selectively, as it was in that case? Surely, if a prima facie case is proven (as it was), it's up to the courts to decide...

Why should people place any faith in the law when clearly it only applies to some, not all?

Nah. We've argued this before but can't be bothered finding the thread. The police say they decide not to prosecute in about 25,000 cases a year. They always have that discretion.

Its no big deal. Sometimes a private prosecution is taken where the police don't act, as in the case of the Guy Wallace who was shot. The case failed.

All prima facie means is that there is sufficent evidence an offence might have been committed. This includes your speeding ticket the cop throws away.

I don't like Helen Clark but even I could see Paintergate was a media-fest and pretty much irrelevant compared to the economy, child abuse, Auckland motorways etc etc the sorts of things serious journalists should examine.

[devnull]

Didn't realise they didn't prosecute so many.

They only one I remember of a citizen initiating a prosecution is that accountant in Welly that had Trevor Mallard prosecuted for assault after the police decided not to...

I don't like Helen & co either. But more than that, I don't like seeing ANY politician, who is meant to represent the community, being let off for what appears to be the position they hold.
They claim public figures are held to higher standards, but are they really? I think not.

The outcome I'd like to see in this case (though unlikely, I admit), is for him to face the assault charges in court, her to face the consequences of extorting money (along with the tabloid reporter), and the media take some responsibility for their part as well. Never happen, I know....

It's like asking for a justice system to replace our system of law I guess :(

Not going to happen. Though it'd be nice. Then people like Mark Middleton would never have been convicted (he threatened to kill Paul Dally, the person that raped and tortured Karla Cardno for 22 hours before killing her. Mark Middleton received a 9 month suspended sentence.)

And victims would be given the right to defend themselves, with lethal force if necessary, without fear of retribution.

[Tank]

[QUOTE=devnull;1724043]her to face the consequences of extorting money (along with the tabloid reporter), and the media take some responsibility for their part as well. Never happen, I know....
QUOTE]

AGAIN !!!! (AGGHHHHH) You have NO IDEA if she extorted money or not - you are GUESSING from what you have read in the media.

At NO POINT has TonyV said she extorted the $$$$$
At NO POINT have the police said she extorted the $$$$$

Yet you seem to have made your mind up that she has!!!!! hell for $150k TonyV could take a civil case against her (fair enough too if she had)
it dosnt even require the police to place charges - but again he hasnt dont that.

If she has extorted the $$$ - then yep she should be charged for it and pay the price (as well as the money back) - but at this point there is nothing pointing to it other than people reading 1+1 and coming up with 5

[devnull]

AGAIN !!!! (AGGHHHHH) You have NO IDEA if she extorted money or not - you are GUESSING from what you have read in the media.

At NO POINT has TonyV said she extorted the $$$$$
At NO POINT have the police said she extorted the $$$$$

Yet you seem to have made your mind up that she has!!!!! hell for $150k TonyV could take a civil case against her (fair enough too if she had)
it dosnt even require the police to place charges - but again he hasnt dont that.

If she has extorted the $$$ - then yep she should be charged for it and pay the price (as well as the money back) - but at this point there is nothing pointing to it other than people reading 1+1 and coming up with 5

You can make a complaint to police, but as far as I know, you can't initiate civil proceedings to prosecute offences under the Crimes Act. Only the state does that.

The media said an assault occurred - you agree with them.
The media made varied claims about injuries - you believed them.
The media said that a demand for money was made 2 years later in conjunction with a tabloid reporter - you say what?

[Tank]

You can make a complaint to police, but as far as I know, you can't initiate civil proceedings to prosecute offences under the Crimes Act. Only the state does that.

The media said an assault occurred - you agree with them.
The media made varied claims about injuries - you believed them.
The media said that a demand for money was made 2 years later in conjunction with a tabloid reporter - you say what?

You can make civil proceedings without using the crimes act.

I generally DONT beleive everything I read in the papers. My old flatmate (guy called Terry Hill) was named and 'shamed' in the papers for attacking some women. When it went to court it was proven that this was not the case (very easily - no doubt in the matter).

I believe TonyV assulted her simply because he admits to physically lashing out - So Im actually going on what HE said not the media.

I belive the damage to the back - because they have proof of this - they are reporting the damage actually done. I dont know if she ended up on a wheelchair or not.

I dont actually believe that it was as bad as they say - however I DO believe that she was hurt - and to be honest I couldnt give a flying fuck if he simply bruised her up (in the lashing out he admits to) or had the back broken - both are physical assults and he should be charged as such.

Im not believeing the extorting bit because - well - thats just media crapola and you reading between the lines.

[Murray]

I generally DONT beleive everything I read in the papers. My old flatmate (guy called Terry Hill) was named and 'shamed' in the papers for attacking some women. When it went to court it was proven that this was not the case (very easily - no doubt in the matter).



DON'T EVER BELIEVE NEWSPAPERS!!!!!!

A case I was involved in once was reported in the newspapers with the alleged facts and even after the case was thrown out by the judge without the defence even being called (basically game called off at 1/2 time) the media did not once refer to the proven facts but continued writing articles quoting "the alleged".

I also love the latest media tactic on the Front Page of the Herald. They can now alter pictures to what they want by just putting "Digitally Enhanced Image" in little print in the top left hand corner.

Surely this is false advertising or misleading reporting.

Bad news sells newspapers - media philosophy!!!

[Tank]

I also love the latest media tactic on the Front Page of the Herald. They can now alter pictures to what they want by just putting "Digitally Enhanced Image" in little print in the top left hand corner.



One would assume that there is a difference between "digitally enhanced" - ie made brighter / contrast etc and altered - putting me in the middle of an orgy with Hallie Berry, Nicole Kidman and Angilana Jole?


Back in a min - off to the bathroom :eek:

[Tank]

One would assume that there is a difference between "digitally enhanced" - ie made brighter / contrast etc and altered - putting me in the middle of an orgy with Hallie Berry, Nicole Kidman and Angilana Jole?


Back in a min - off to the bathroom :eek:

Just seen the actual front page of the paper - Murray was right - it seems that the NZ Herald has actually edited a picture and called it an enhancement - Unless Glenn actually did hold up a "Yes" sign.

[Winston001]

You can make a complaint to police, but as far as I know, you can't initiate civil proceedings to prosecute offences under the Crimes Act. Only the state does that.



Not quite. Just to clarify, normally the State (Police, CYPFS, Customs, Serious Fraud etc) prosecute crimes. However every person also has the right to prosecute a crime if they consider the State is ignoring it.

It's rare - nice example with Mallard, especially since it was successful. The Attorney-General can step in and apply for the proceedings to be dismissed if its a looney case.

Civil proceedings are arguments between civilians - usually over money. Criminal proceedings are the State against a person who has broken a criminal law.

[Skyryder]

Not quite. Just to clarify, normally the State (Police, CYPFS, Customs, Serious Fraud etc) prosecute crimes. However every person also has the right to prosecute a crime if they consider the State is ignoring it.

It's rare - nice example with Mallard, especially since it was successful. The Attorney-General can step in and apply for the proceedings to be dismissed if its a looney case.

Civil proceedings are arguments between civilians - usually over money. Criminal proceedings are the State against a person who has broken a criminal law.


If you loose can cost you a bucket load. Probaly why there are so few.


Skyryder

[MIXONE]

You're dafter than you make out, i was making a comment based on your 'mighty' and 'fallen' comments.... nothing to do with him or his alleged crime; more based on the fact that your too quick to have a dig at someone in the limelight....


shows you up for what you are... :niceone:

I think your avetar and signature show you for what you are.Someone who can dish it but not take it.