GT250R tries to kill me

[Donut]

was on my way to work on the outskirts of hamilton where its all farm land, was a bit late so i was cruzing along at 160. i was coming upto a T intersection and began braking, the bike had slowed to 140 and then both my front and back brakes just let out :S i flipped out coz i was heading straight for a big steel tank monument. with some luck i managed to go out wide and drop it into the corner and make it round scraping everything on the way, then having to dodge an oncoming car. i took the bike home and got my mechanic to look at it, turns out the rear brakes had seized and the front brake leavers adjuster is faulty. i had it set to 6 (the furtherest it goes out from the bars) with some testing we found that when its on 6 and you pull hard on the brakes it clicks over to one and the leaver comes in against the bar and its not far enough in to bring on the brakes...... one more for the book of shitty hyo-bags i think...... now i just cant trust the bike and dont wanna go over 50 and wheres the fun in that:wacko:

[Str8 Jacket]

Im having problems with the 160 part. On a hyobag 250. You sure?.....

[Donut]

lol thats what the speedo says, my gps tacho says its actually 140 something :P

[Str8 Jacket]

Get you arse to the wairarapa sprints next weekend. See how fast your bike can *really* go. Legally! :niceone:

[Gubb]

Perhaps that would have been a good idea to test before you hit the rev-limiter.

[CB ARGH]

Stupidity in my eyes. 160km is cruising pretty fast dude. :nono:

[Donut]

the brakes had worked fine for the 20 corners before and they have been fixed and tested before, and it may be rev limiter on a hyo but its still just cruise speed.... stupid slow hyo :(

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[R6_kid]

Buying a Hyosung was your first mistake... 'cruising' at 160kmh on your hyosung was your second.

Maybe if you hadn't been going so hard you would have had a lot more time do deal with the situation and wouldnt have ended up in a life threatening situation.

[R6_kid]

the brakes had worked fine for the 20 corners before and they have been fixed and tested before, and it may be rev limiter on a hyo but its still just cruise speed.... stupid slow hyo :(

sounds like you're a token mormon few prospect, you'll just need to get rid of the hyosung first.

[davebullet]

If you had taken 20 corners previously or were braking hard, that might happen on any stock machine. I'd be surprised if stock brakes could handle that level of performance.

Positively, think of this as a warning of what might have been... someone was telling you not to push it and let you off lightly. Reflect on what you did and learn. Don't blame the bike, it won't care when you are in hospital (or worse).

Cheers,
David.

[Rodney007]

there those bikes that crap? naw surely not............. are they?

[Buddha#81]

sounds like you're a token mormon few prospect, you'll just need to get rid of the hyosung first.

The Hyo could be their next "feature test" bike.

[carver]

The Hyo could be their next "feature test" bike.

sure, we can test that!

[smoky]

I had a Humber 80 that could do 160, they had next to no brakes to speak about. It's not just about the bike and it's ability.
What your talking about is riding quick and pushing things on the road, and on a bike that does something you're not expecting.
Other things that can happen;
Some one pulls out of a driveway in front of you
Chain snaps
Flat tyre
Some one has spilt shit on the road
Some one coming the other way cutting the corner
Lots of things can happen you don't expect, things that really get your heart pumping
The harder you go - the more often it happens, and the more often it happen the sooner you'll find a situation you don't escape

I try to ride at a pace and level where I'm not finding my self in that situation very often

[NighthawkNZ]

was a bit late so i was cruzing along at 160.

No comment...

[carver]

No comment...

i got a comment

thats a A for achievement on a hyoshit!

[del-solider]

i got a comment

thats a A for achievement on a hyoshit!

hahah that made me laugh!

But yer that not the brightest thing to be doin on a hyo :confused:

[Jerry74]

Guy at work has a GT250 Hyosung fun for the first few months but now he hates it.

Very underpowered for a 250

[roy.nz]

Im having problems with the 160 part. On a hyobag 250. You sure?.....

Got 185km on a nice long down hill but that was gauge speed so maybe alittle off.
But the brakes story i had my rear brake sieze on the on position on the auckland motorway, hairy shit and found that the rubber cover on the rear master cyclinder was shit so replaced rubber with another rubber off a car from at work and never had a problem with brakes again.
Just the exhaust gasket kept on leaking and i kept on blowing the main fuse inder the pillion seat until i sealed it but besides that had a blast on my hyo gt250r.
:scooter:

[roy.nz]

Stupidity in my eyes. 160km is cruising pretty fast dude. :nono:

Average speed to work and back in SA (wont go back there) which was ace but people where still blowing by me, so 160km cruising so beautiful to me.
Faster the better..
:rockon:

[Swampdonkey]

Time for a new bike dude.....now!!

[lostinflyz]

ive cruised about 160 on a old as fuck (drum brake) VT250. downhill slightly. and its not pleasurable.

but i knew the brakes were working. and i only did it once. cause once again and i'd be picking up pieces of engine all the way home.

anywhos a bike like that aint designed to be ridden like that though really. And if you generally if your cruising at that speed the roads straight. Cause i know how long it takes to get there.

as an aside i would pledge a bet that levers are not factory made part (nor are rear brake calipers) - so its not all hyo's fault (ok so they choose them but you choose to buy the damn thing)

anyway how did you not notice a seized rear brake caliper. If it was seized you wouldnt be able to place any force through the brake lever.

[Brett]

But this could never happen. Hyosungs are a fantastic quality product that will out perform the 'older' high performance 250's such as the CBR and ZXR.:buggerd:

TUI. Proof is in the pudding Hyo lovers.

I suggest you:
a) get a decent machine or ride within the limits of your current one.
b) learn a little bit more about 'quick' riding before endangering yourself too much. Tracks are pretty good, or private events on closed roads. Too many things trying to kill you as a learner already.

[Grub]

I don't get it. How come the bike gets the blame after being abused and misused by an idiot rider?

[Devil]

.... the front brake leavers adjuster is faulty. i had it set to 6 (the furtherest it goes out from the bars) with some testing we found that when its on 6 and you pull hard on the brakes it clicks over to one and the leaver comes in against the bar and its not far enough in to bring on the brakes......

Good ole KB, missing the point again. Nice to be all high and mighty.

What has happened here is a serious safety concern and has nothing to do with the speed he was travelling. Are you saying that if he slammed the brakes on from 100km/h on the open road to avoid an accident and this happened that it would have been ok?

For fucks sake people. This is a serious bike fault and i'd be concerned if I was riding one about whether I could trust the brakes or not.

[Donut]

if its not made to go that speed why can it..... and i dont use back brakes there useless anyway just usefull when you need a back up

[Donut]

working on getting rid of the hyo shit, and at the end of the day i make my own decisions and if i choose to speed on an empty(ish) road and put myself at risk well then thats my problem i think a few too many ppl on here spend too much time on there ass typing and not enough riding....

[carver]

working on getting rid of the hyo shit, and at the end of the day i make my own decisions and if i choose to speed on an empty(ish) road and put myself at risk well then thats my problem i think a few too many ppl on here spend too much time on there ass typing and not enough riding....

i know who you are....
i would agree...

[NighthawkNZ]

working on getting rid of the hyo shit, and at the end of the day i make my own decisions and if i choose to speed on an empty(ish) road and put myself at risk well then thats my problem i think a few too many ppl on here spend too much time on there ass typing and not enough riding....

time and place... time and place...

We all speed, its pretty hard not to... but there is speeding and then there is speeding... if you going to speed at least choose a back road with minimal traffic, (Doesn't mean there is no mr plod patrol) and watch out for crap on the road... back roads are less maintained

main reason I don't speed everywhere anymore is cost to much... not in tickets but in fuel...:innocent: actually its because I want to definitely make it home in one piece not just a maybe make home...

[vtec]

Bloody hell, this thread has turned into a softcocks wet dream, everyone bitching about him doing 160 on the open road? If you haven't done 160 in your life then you are a bloody saint.

The guy's brakes failed on a relatively new bike, and you are all somehow twisting it into the riders fault. The front brake lever flaw is extremely dangerous at any speed. Could be enough to send you out in front of a car at 60kph.

Also, saying that a bike isn't designed to handle braking from 160kph is just plain foolish. I've ridden stacks of bikes and the only bikes which I've had braking issues on were a Hayabusa on the track, cause it got fade from braking from 260k/hr, and my CBR600 race bike, had warped discs so uneven braking. My CBR250's have never had any braking problems (except from when I got some air bubbles in the lines which was my fault), and thats been braking from 190k/hr down to about 60 from the 100metre marker on Pukekohe, and similar situations on Taupo and Manfeild. If the Hyosungs brakes weren't designed to consistently stop it from 160kph I would throw it in the rubbish right now.

R6kid, can't believe you got into the lecturing aswell, I've ridden with you at 180 when you had a pillion on your R6 and I was on my CBR250RR on the way back from Paeroa a few years ago :P

[Trouser]

i think a few too many ppl on here spend too much time on there ass typing and not enough riding....

Not to mention the naked hypocrasy of some.

[woza]

there are many ol hobags out there have done many km without this happening... so who knows the whole story behind why his brakes failed in the first place.

[Devil]

there are many ol hobags out there have done many km without this happening... so who knows the whole story behind why his brakes failed in the first place.

Um, he does.
You failed reading comprehension, didnt you.

It's something i'd certainly be checking if I owned one. Although if I didn't use that lever setting it may not be an issue. But for those that do...

[Donut]

lol, look at the post count respectivly with those who are bitching ^^

[woza]

i had it set to 6 (the furtherest it goes out from the bars) with some testing we found that when its on 6 and you pull hard on the brakes it clicks over to one and the leaver comes in against the bar and its not far enough in to bring on the brakes...... :wacko:

Thanks for the post tho, i will definely make a point of checking my brake position. It seems this thread has just turned into a bit of shit fight, but oh well good that you posted up about it anyway.

[Mr. Rock]

I don't get it. How come the bike gets the blame after being abused and misused by an idiot rider?

that is very true.. i wood agree.. i have had no issues like that.. and its a 250 what do you expect, if i didnt have to buy a 250 by law i wood never get a hyobag. but since i do have to get one i think its a good chunk of bike for the money and doesnt look as small and pathetic as other 250 with there pizza cutter wheels etc.

[carver]

Bloody hell, this thread has turned into a softcocks wet dream, everyone bitching about him doing 160 on the open road? If you haven't done 160 in your life then you are a bloody saint.

The guy's brakes failed on a relatively new bike, and you are all somehow twisting it into the riders fault. The front brake lever flaw is extremely dangerous at any speed. Could be enough to send you out in front of a car at 60kph.

Also, saying that a bike isn't designed to handle braking from 160kph is just plain foolish. I've ridden stacks of bikes and the only bikes which I've had braking issues on were a Hayabusa on the track, cause it got fade from braking from 260k/hr, and my CBR600 race bike, had warped discs so uneven braking. My CBR250's have never had any braking problems (except from when I got some air bubbles in the lines which was my fault), and thats been braking from 190k/hr down to about 60 from the 100metre marker on Pukekohe, and similar situations on Taupo and Manfeild. If the Hyosungs brakes weren't designed to consistently stop it from 160kph I would throw it in the rubbish right now.

R6kid, can't believe you got into the lecturing aswell, I've ridden with you at 180 when you had a pillion on your R6 and I was on my CBR250RR on the way back from Paeroa a few years ago :P

dude, stop making sense, no one can be trusted to ride as fast as me!

[discotex]

lol, look at the post count respectivly with those who are bitching ^^

I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but I read your post as bragging about how fast you were going and that the brake failure was a secondary point.

If you don't want people to give you shit about something don't put it out there in KB land eh ;)

[Donut]

lol braging and a hyosung.... oh and speed now theres a joke

[_STAIN_]

turns out the rear brakes had seized and the front brake leavers adjuster is faulty. i had it set to 6 (the furtherest it goes out from the bars) with some testing we found that when its on 6 and you pull hard on the brakes it clicks over to one and the leaver comes in against the bar and its not far enough in to bring on the brakes...... one more for the book of shitty hyo-bags i think...... now i just cant trust the bike and dont wanna go over 50 and wheres the fun in that:wacko:

There is a problem out there with rear brake mastercylinder seizing that owners should be aware of. I have replaced a GT250 one and have had a dealer request one recently. Currently wrecking GT650 which had seized it's rear mastercylinder.....maybe contributing to accident...suspicious. Would strongly recommend brake fluid change as collecting moisture in brake fluid could be contributing to them seizing.

[Shadows]

Good ole KB, missing the point again. Nice to be all high and mighty.

What has happened here is a serious safety concern and has nothing to do with the speed he was travelling. Are you saying that if he slammed the brakes on from 100km/h on the open road to avoid an accident and this happened that it would have been ok?

For fucks sake people. This is a serious bike fault and i'd be concerned if I was riding one about whether I could trust the brakes or not.

With you 110%.

What also concerns me that some members who are supposed to be providing guidance don't appear to have recognised the real issue here. Instead of taking the easy and incorrect option of reclassifying an obvious serious mechanical malfunction as "idiot rider" and walking away, they should be informing their local GT250 learner members of a potential problem with their bikes, flagging this thread to them, and helping them to get their brakes checked out before they ride again.

Well... are you?

[Donut]

There is a problem out there with rear brake mastercylinder seizing that owners should be aware of. I have replaced a GT250 one and have had a dealer request one recently. Currently wrecking GT650 which had seized it's rear mastercylinder.....maybe contributing to accident...suspicious. Would strongly recommend brake fluid change as collecting moisture in brake fluid could be contributing to them seizing.

thanks for the first piece of truley helpfull info

[xwhatsit]

There is a problem out there with rear brake mastercylinder seizing that owners should be aware of. I have replaced a GT250 one and have had a dealer request one recently. Currently wrecking GT650 which had seized it's rear mastercylinder.....maybe contributing to accident...suspicious. Would strongly recommend brake fluid change as collecting moisture in brake fluid could be contributing to them seizing.
The master cylinders seized? Not the calliper?

So are master cylinders different to callipers then in that respect -- all of a sudden seizing up with no warning in the middle of the ride, unlike callipers which slowly seize up from moisture and corrosion etc.?

Or was this perhaps a case of somebody neglecting maintenance (not preventative maintenance necessarily, but by ignoring a fairly major malfunction) and riding a bike that they knew had seized brakes?

[Donut]

:blink:
The master cylinders seized? Not the calliper?

So are master cylinders different to callipers then in that respect -- all of a sudden seizing up with no warning in the middle of the ride, unlike callipers which slowly seize up from moisture and corrosion etc.?

Or was this perhaps a case of somebody neglecting maintenance (not preventative maintenance necessarily, but by ignoring a fairly major malfunction) and riding a bike that they knew had seized brakes?

the bike has been well maintained and is cleaned and checked once a week, this is not the first time my hyo-shit's brakes have failed me.... the first was when my front calliper fell off, this time the master cylinder seized...... nothing like cheap shit... back brakes not the biggie was the front i was more worried about, the only time you need back brakes is for wheel stands and i wont be doing any of them on the hyo

[erik]

have you got a photo of the lever? It'd be good to see what was actually wrong with it that caused it to move from the outermost position to innermost. Or to at least see what type of adjusting system it's got so we can be wary of other levers with the same system.

Like xerxesdaphat, I don't understand how the rear master cylinder could suddenly seize.

[jonbuoy]

Maybe the seal expanded in the bore? What brake fluid was in it? Front brake problem is unforgivable on manufacturers part. No doubt the same thing would have happened at a 50KPH emergency stop. Appalling for a modern bike.

[Tank]

Just an idea - with a bike maintenance etc is a really good idea.

You should always look over and check brakes etc on a weekly basis (or daily for a hyoshit).

It only takes a minute - and if you are the kind of guy who 'cruises' at 160:TUI its doubly important.

[CookMySock]

Basically what you have discovered, is the brakes aren't good enough for your riding style on lever setting one, so you use lever setting six and then ride it like a race bike, which its not.

Now the problem is, you get a hell of a fright doing some stupid antics on it at lightspeed, grab the lever reeeeely harrrd and bend and damage the mechanism, and it shits on you. So welcome to the real world sonny!

It sounds to me like you need a trackbike - something you can go bash the piss out of on the track and fuck it up real bad. Either that, or fucking slow down on the public roads while you are on your fucken learners, before the bike gives YOU the learn.

Hyos arent race bikes, they are learner sport/tourers.

Steve

[Mr. Rock]

:blink:

the bike has been well maintained and is cleaned and checked once a week, this is not the first time my hyo-shit's brakes have failed me.... the first was when my front calliper fell off..

how did this fall off?? like the screws fell out? and it fell off? sounds like the person who put your bike together did a rugged job.. but if you mean it fell off as in the bolts holding it there are sweet and it ripped the mount off that would be a different issue.

seems alot of these issues could be caused by poor assembly.. rear brakes possibly using wrong fluids? bolts not tightend.. im just guessing.

[lostinflyz]

brakes dont fall off. If they did i would park my bike at the side of the road leave the keys in it and for a scummy bike theif to come along and have a weee ride. There is no way id ride a bike that had its front brakes come off. You would feel the calipers coming loose if they werent tight and i cant see the bolts shearing but maybe. Surely even hyoshit know what a factor of safety is.

Either way Donut your comment on rear brakes only being good for wheelies is only half valid. As they come surprisingly handy when the front brakes stop working, or become ineffective say if you brake like a mad bastard and overheat something (only ever seen this on a race bike with well worn discs)

but either way if hyo brakes dont work, or are prone to failure dont ride it. dont buy it, dont consider it. I stuggle to beleive that these things are common or a factory problem. Imagine the liability of the company should you get smeared on a car. Do they sell these in the states. if so there is noooo way this is a factory problem.

[Benjiboi]

I ride a GT250R, the brake lever adjuster on mine is quite stiff, it definately won't be slipping any where. I don't think this is a Hyosung problem, if your adjuster slips and brakes simply fall off maybe you should get a mechanic to have a really good look at it, before you have a really bad accident.

[LilSel]

Engine braking??? surely downshifting wouldve helped in your situation you described

[xwhatsit]

:blink:

the bike has been well maintained and is cleaned and checked once a week, this is not the first time my hyo-shit's brakes have failed me.... the first was when my front calliper fell off, this time the master cylinder seized...... nothing like cheap shit... back brakes not the biggie was the front i was more worried about, the only time you need back brakes is for wheel stands and i wont be doing any of them on the hyo
Like I said, I'm not talking about preventative maintenance, I'm talking about fixing things when they break. If the rear master cylinder was seized, why were you riding the bike? Or are you trying to say it just seized all of a sudden, mid-ride?

Also, is it an aftermarket clutch lever or factory? I find it hard to believe that a factory clutch lever would touch the bars with no braking performance whatsoever, regardless of whether it was on setting 1 or not -- that is, unless the pads are worn down to the backing.

[scumdog]

and at the end of the day i make my own decisions and if i choose to speed on an empty(ish) road and put myself at risk well then thats my problem ....

Sooo....you can GUARANTEE that your riding style will NEVER put anybody else at risk??

(Tuis moment I think eh?)

[Slicksta]

Sooo....you can GUARANTEE that your riding style will NEVER put anybody else at risk??

(Tuis moment I think eh?)

Can you GUARANTEE when the police pull uturns in the middle of the road, they wont put motorcycles at risk??

[CookMySock]

I find it hard to believe that a factory clutch lever would touch the bars with no braking performance whatsoever, regardless of whether it was on setting 1 or not -- that is, unless the pads are worn down to the backing.Actually, on the "1" setting, it is easy to pull the lever very near or against the throttle grip under severe braking. It's a setting for the scaredy-cat ladies with little hands - and fair enough for them, they never really require that much braking, nor would they really know what to do with a sportbike under those sort of braking conditions, and they weigh HALF of what us big blokes weigh.

The GT650R does not have the adjustable brake lever - it's a rather solid-looking alloy item. The GT650R front master cylinder looks like it would swap directly in place of the GT250R one - possibly a good mod for those who want to bash their 250 harder (the 650R levers will not fit the 250 properly.) I would hazard a guess that many GT650R items are a direct swap, such as the adjustable front forks (250 ones are plain old damper rod non-adjustable) and so on. There was actually a GT250R on trademe with 650R forks on it, though I would fit cartridge emulators rather than do this swap.

There are lots and lots of hacks for the GT250R.

Steve

[Bonmaklad]

hmm now when I did my research into buying a GT250r all i could find was people moaning about it rather then actually testing it when I finally found a few reviews (non biest ones) they found that yes it is not as good of tech as a ninja for an rs but the machanics were fine.

Now I used to do a bit of car racing now I tell you going up and around at 100mph standard car brakes wouldn't be enough they would burn out. Tyres would never hold up. 100mph is for straight roads.

So putting this theory into practice in a bike (i'm new as fook so someone tell me i'm wrong) i check it every day tyre pressures, brakes look for leaking etc. I just do this while putting my jacket, helmet and gloves on. I wouldn't be going around bends at 100mph and probably i'm more then likely to get a few upgrades before I do that on the straight, I am more then happy cruising between 110-130 but again this is on the straights.

[scumdog]

Can you GUARANTEE when the police pull uturns in the middle of the road, they wont put motorcycles at risk??

No second prizes sunshine.
(especially for as weak an attempt as THAT).

And it wasn't ME that said they wouldn't put anybody else at risk.....

[carver]

i had calipers seize on my xz400 SHITTY YAMAHA.
even when working on em!

[seens]

All dis shit bout wouldive couldive fact is the brakes fucked out he had scence/skills to stay on without crashin tell hayo fix engenering flaws.recall
:done:

[seens]

Pitty the bike no look like da first photo you took now lol:devil2:

[lostinflyz]

All dis shit bout wouldive couldive fact is the brakes fucked out he had scence/skills to stay on without crashin tell hayo fix engenering flaws.recall
:done:

if i could understand a word of that??????

either way nobody would design a bike with engineering flaws. Beyond many ethical/legal reasons it would be complete job and company suicide. i'd wager a significant amount of money on poor service or fuckwit usage before an engineering flaw.

If there was an engineering flaw they would be recalled and replaced for free. As happens occasionally.

Staying on is surprising easy if theres little to hit. the problem is the time when theres something to avoid. Then theres skills. but even Rossi cant dodge a brick wall at right angles.

but all in all i dont doubt hyosungs are shite. never said they werent. but i dont go trying to push one. In the same way i dont try and make a smart car keep up with a ferrari. Or my 400 keep up with dennis charlet. I will die and i will find problems, and it aint honda's fault

[Slicksta]

No second prizes sunshine.
(especially for as weak an attempt as THAT).

And it wasn't ME that said they wouldn't put anybody else at risk.....

My point being that the police put the public in danger a fair decent amount with there wreakless driving in there shit commies. I have seen the course they do at police collage on "safe high speed driving" its a joke!

Getting in any vehicle and driving it is going to put other people at risk so your question is rather stupid!

[Donut]

if i could understand a word of that??????

either way nobody would design a bike with engineering flaws. Beyond many ethical/legal reasons it would be complete job and company suicide. i'd wager a significant amount of money on poor service or fuckwit usage before an engineering flaw.

If there was an engineering flaw they would be recalled and replaced for free. As happens occasionally.

Staying on is surprising easy if theres little to hit. the problem is the time when theres something to avoid. Then theres skills. but even Rossi cant dodge a brick wall at right angles.

but all in all i dont doubt hyosungs are shite. never said they werent. but i dont go trying to push one. In the same way i dont try and make a smart car keep up with a ferrari. Or my 400 keep up with dennis charlet. I will die and i will find problems, and it aint honda's fault


now this is a funny one.... even aprilla have realease bikes with faulty swing arms and it dose happen, now it may not be a 100% ratio that it happens but there are lemon bikes out there from the factory and servicing flaws from the mechanics.. dont forget when i purchased this bike the front caliper DID fall off and was a mechanic fault.... now i have had both the read and front brakes checked by a qualified mechanic working at a reputable bike shop and hes has carefully looked at the front and rear brakes, his verdict is that the front ones r just shit and shouldnt even do that, they are factory brakes and have no damage yet have the same fault everytime..... as for the rear brake the seal on them is useless as has already been stated... he said there was a large amount of rust/grit in the master cylinder behind the boot which likely caused the sudden jam and is not something you would notice...... so how bout you all stop bitching and get on with it, if i hit a car i doubt they will be injured bady and at the end of the day, im here for a GOOD time not a long time... so frakly i dont give a fuck

[scumdog]

My point being that the police put the public in danger a fair decent amount with there wreakless driving in there shit commies. I have seen the course they do at police collage on "safe high speed driving" its a joke!

Getting in any vehicle and driving it is going to put other people at risk so your question is rather stupid!

The thread originator said he was riding (cruising?) at 160kph AND said he would NOT put other people at risk with his riding, hence my original comment, get with the programme dude.

As I said, I on the other hand made no claim that I would not put others at risk - and you jumped in putting my in the same catagory as a cop who did cause a crash - a kind of non sequtuer I believe.:zzzz:

How would you feel if I labelled you the same as any random road user who crashed due to incompence??

[scumdog]

now this is a funny one.... even aprilla have realease bikes with faulty swing arms and it dose happen, now it may not be a 100% ratio that it happens but there are lemon bikes out there from the factory and servicing flaws from the mechanics.. dont forget when i purchased this bike the front caliper DID fall off and was a mechanic fault.... now i have had both the read and front brakes checked by a qualified mechanic working at a reputable bike shop and hes has carefully looked at the front and rear brakes, his verdict is that the front ones r just shit and shouldnt even do that, they are factory brakes and have no damage yet have the same fault everytime..... as for the rear brake the seal on them is useless as has already been stated... he said there was a large amount of rust/grit in the master cylinder behind the boot which likely caused the sudden jam and is not something you would notice...... so how bout you all stop bitching and get on with it, if i hit a car i doubt they will be injured bady and at the end of the day, im here for a GOOD time not a long time... so frakly i dont give a fuck

By not using any real grammar, capitals punctuation etc you sure as hell DID save a lot of time for yourself....us readers however took longer than normal to read your post (those that bother to read it all) however.

[scumdog]

All dis shit bout wouldive couldive fact is the brakes fucked out he had scence/skills to stay on without crashin tell hayo fix engenering flaws.recall
:done:

WTF? WTF? WTF? - the person that wrote this went to school???

[Donut]

bit more sober today, funny thing is most the people posting in this are just doing it to get a higher post count...... ne ways im over it. Im outies :D

[Slicksta]

The thread originator said he was riding (cruising?) at 160kph AND said he would NOT put other people at risk with his riding, hence my original comment, get with the programme dude.

As I said, I on the other hand made no claim that I would not put others at risk - and you jumped in putting my in the same catagory as a cop who did cause a crash - a kind of non sequtuer I believe.:zzzz:

How would you feel if I labelled you the same as any random road user who crashed due to incompence??

I would expect as such if i worked for the NZ police being a corrupt organization.

He said as such because if you read he was on an empty farm road outside Hamilton.

[jamiey]

Buying a Hyosung was your first mistake... 'cruising' at 160kmh on your hyosung was your second.

Maybe if you hadn't been going so hard you would have had a lot more time do deal with the situation and wouldnt have ended up in a life threatening situation.

Yep gotta agree, if you wanna do 160+ do it on a decent bike that has a chassis, brakes, tyres etc capable of those speeds....................

[scumdog]

I would expect as such if i worked for the NZ police being a corrupt organization.

He said as such because if you read he was on an empty farm road outside Hamilton.

Oh yeah the farm roads are ALWAYS empty, like always...

Until point of impact.:bye:

Maybe only the rider is affected, maybe it involves another person/vehicle.


Sure, most of the time they are pretty safe but I bet I'm not the only one tats' found they can suddenly be a hazard to others as well as the rider.

And elucidate about the 'currupt' stuff...I don't do 'corrupt' so go on, tell us about it..KB is getting boring and we need a bit of light-hearted entertainment about now.

[xwhatsit]

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blah, blah, fail

An empty farm road -- how many funerals have we had here on KB again -- they may look safe and empty, but unexpected things do crop up. And this inexperienced rider was doing it on a 250 with a seized master cylinder? I had enough trouble recently at 90kph with a well-maintained bike when a hare ran out of the bushes and under my wheels (think I just clipped it though, would've got launched if I hit it dead-on).

I don't know what you've latched onto with this whole corrupt police thing either. Last I heard this thread was about a squid riding too fast for his and his bike's abilities; u-turning coppers are just one hazard on the list of hundreds of things out to kill you on an `empty farm road'. Scummy has about as much relationship to that particularly dangerous numpty as the Telecom service technician just at my house does to Theresa Gattung.

[Mr. Rock]

....dont forget when i purchased this bike the front caliper DID fall off and was a mechanic fault....

im still interested to find out how this caliper "fell" off..

[Slicksta]

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An empty farm road -- how many funerals have we had here on KB again -- they may look safe and empty, but unexpected things do crop up. And this inexperienced rider was doing it on a 250 with a seized master cylinder? I had enough trouble recently at 90kph with a well-maintained bike when a hare ran out of the bushes and under my wheels (think I just clipped it though, would've got launched if I hit it dead-on).

I don't know what you've latched onto with this whole corrupt police thing either. Last I heard this thread was about a squid riding too fast for his and his bike's abilities; u-turning coppers are just one hazard on the list of hundreds of things out to kill you on an `empty farm road'. Scummy has about as much relationship to that particularly dangerous numpty as the Telecom service technician just at my house does to Theresa Gattung.

The majority of “speeding” fatalities are caused through travel too fast for the conditions but below the speed limit. Not even 2% (two percent) are caused through travel above set speed limits. So get your FACTS (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:CoGKoyYCgsQJ:www.roadsense.com.au/text%2520files/Failed%2520Road%2520Safety%2520Policy.pdf+road+tol l+is+not+caused+by+speeding&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz&client=firefox-a) right. This thread was about shit hyosung breaks maybe you should stick to the thread instead of crying about bikers speed and putting others at risk. what are you gonna change mr high and mighty?

[xwhatsit]

The majority of “speeding” fatalities are caused through travel too fast for the conditions but below the speed limit. Not even 2% (two percent) are caused through travel above set speed limits. So get your FACTS (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:CoGKoyYCgsQJ:www.roadsense.com.au/text%2520files/Failed%2520Road%2520Safety%2520Policy.pdf+road+tol l+is+not+caused+by+speeding&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz&client=firefox-a) right. This thread was about shit hyosung breaks maybe you should stick to the thread instead of crying about bikers speed and putting others at risk. what are you gonna change mr high and mighty?
All right, we'll live that bit alone then -- I'd like to hear about the second paragraph though?

[lostinflyz]

im still interested to find out how this caliper "fell" off..

I would like some technical terms with this as well.

fell off is rather non descriptive. Did it wiggle lose or shear a bolt???

Rather than getting all defensive and attacking everyone, sort out the facts that need to be said and just say them. From there stop giving a fuck about peoples opinions and go on living.

FYI: Aprilla swingarms developed stress fractures, caused by metal fatigue. Fatigue is one of the most difficult engineering cases to overcome and as such occasionally they get it wrong. They do not come from the factory with the swingarm in bits or with massive cracks or bolts missing. Fatigue recalls are common, and just about every vechile is likely to eventualy come under some scrutiny for fatigue.
If the bolts on your Hyo sheared off the brakes just saying so would have saved alot of time and effort. and in which case itd be a big hyo fuck up, as these should be designed below the fatigue limit.

merry christmas

[Slicksta]

All right, we'll live that bit alone then -- I'd like to hear about the second paragraph though?

"Better work storys" got a few friends working in the force. It has left me with little respect for the police.im sorry if it seemed like i was judging scummy as a person that was not my intention.

[Donut]

I would like some technical terms with this as well.

fell off is rather non descriptive. Did it wiggle lose or shear a bolt???

Rather than getting all defensive and attacking everyone, sort out the facts that need to be said and just say them. From there stop giving a fuck about peoples opinions and go on living.

FYI: Aprilla swingarms developed stress fractures, caused by metal fatigue. Fatigue is one of the most difficult engineering cases to overcome and as such occasionally they get it wrong. They do not come from the factory with the swingarm in bits or with massive cracks or bolts missing. Fatigue recalls are common, and just about every vechile is likely to eventualy come under some scrutiny for fatigue.
If the bolts on your Hyo sheared off the brakes just saying so would have saved alot of time and effort. and in which case itd be a big hyo fuck up, as these should be designed below the fatigue limit.

merry christmas

i already have a thread about how my caliper fell off so go find it if you wanna know about it... slick you backed down ya pussy... no bling for you lol

[xwhatsit]

i already have a thread about how my caliper fell off so go find it if you wanna know about it... slick you backed down ya pussy... no bling for you lol
Here's the thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61167 Apparently the bolts just vibrated loose, which would be an assembly fault -- do the dealers put the callipers on or is it done at the factory?

By the way, saw this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=76677 Can't be bothered reading through this thread all again, but is this the same bike that crashed into a car?

[Donut]

Here's the thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61167 Apparently the bolts just vibrated loose, which would be an assembly fault -- do the dealers put the callipers on or is it done at the factory?

By the way, saw this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=76677 Can't be bothered reading through this thread all again, but is this the same bike that crashed into a car?

aparently the calipers come fitted but you have to take them off and put em back on for summen, cant mem what but thats what the dealer said, was just a human error... they happen... alot so all if forgiven

and yeah its the same bike.. but it was the car that hit the bike even the police report has confirmed that. Which is why i got my mechanic to check the front brakes to see if it was caused from the accident and he said that its more then likely just the shit brakes on it wearing quickly and becoming loose ... no idea but yeah tha wha he said... talked to dealers i purchased the bike off and they are gona look into it so yeah... no more bitching till they say what there opinion is;)

[lostinflyz]

i already have a thread about how my caliper fell off so go find it if you wanna know about it... slick you backed down ya pussy... no bling for you lol

haha not quite. as has now been shown the brakes fell off due to incompetence not remotly related to hyosung. im not bagging you on that one, but hyosung provided you a perfect bike, and some fool forgot to tighten up the brake caliper bolts.

Either way i was stating my opinion, and you stated yours. aint no pussy here........................muther fucker. hahahaha just kidding. lol

[Donut]

haha not quite. as has now been shown the brakes fell off due to incompetence not remotly related to hyosung. im not bagging you on that one, but hyosung provided you a perfect bike, and some fool forgot to tighten up the brake caliper bolts.

Either way i was stating my opinion, and you stated yours. aint no pussy here........................muther fucker. hahahaha just kidding. lol

lol well that ones going god no's where ... the caliper is old news.... you confused about what thread your in ..... this is about the leaver :S or am i drunk and imagining shit agn ...

[Brett]

:blink:

the bike has been well maintained and is cleaned and checked once a week, this is not the first time my hyo-shit's brakes have failed me.... the first was when my front calliper fell off, this time the master cylinder seized...... nothing like cheap shit... back brakes not the biggie was the front i was more worried about, the only time you need back brakes is for wheel stands and i wont be doing any of them on the hyo

Yeah this really does sound like a case where the manufacturer has either some serious design flaws in the brakes, or in the manufacture/ QC process. Brake fade etc are all symptoms of pushing a bike past its limit...shit falling off is not.

Out of interest, what has the general consenses been when dealing with Hyosung NZ? Some of you hyosung owners must have tried?

[Mr. Rock]

im not bagging you on that one, but hyosung provided you a perfect bike, and some fool forgot to tighten up the brake caliper bolts.

...lock tight...

my lever is sweet i have it set to 1 (the closest it can be to handle) and my back end lifts up before i come close to hitting the bar.

i could see how ANY issues with your brakes would have you wondering and loose confidence in your bike. fingers crossed you sort it and start to enjoy the riding until you get your next bike..

[vtec]

Yeah the lever flaw, besides the fact that when set on 6 it could collapse back to one which in itself is a dangerous flaw; pulling back to the bar too easily, is most likely a brake fluid issue, it either needs replacing or has air bubbles in. If it is truly just a lame arse master cylinder, Hyosung engineers should be shot.

[smoky]

What your talking about is riding quick and pushing things on the road, and on a bike that does something you're not expecting.
Other things that can happen;
Some one pulls out of a driveway in front of you
Chain snaps
Flat tyre
Some one has spilt shit on the road
Some one coming the other way cutting the corner
Lots of things can happen you don't expect, things that really get your heart pumping
The harder you go - the more often it happens, and the more often it happen the sooner you'll find a situation you don't escape


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=82813
Puncture at speed - even the best of us

[Leaf]

... If it is truly just a lame arse master cylinder, Hyosung engineers should be shot.

Yep, there are issues with the master cylinders on Hyos. Ive had my rear master cylinder replaced with one from a VFR as the original just plain died (have no more details on the exact problem unfortunately). It was red baron that sorted it for me and they said they have seen the similar master cylinder issues before...Im just glad it was the rear and not the front for me!

That said it may not have happened in this case, though regardless its an area where hyosung need to lift their game

[rphenix]

Yep, there are issues with the master cylinders on Hyos. Ive had my rear master cylinder replaced with one from a VFR as the original just plain died

Did it die on you without any notice? I'm just wondering are these not the kind of problems you can detect with good weekly inspections?

[Leaf]

It was something to do with the inside of the cylinder, so only a resonably thorough brake inspection (i.e more than looking at, and fiddling with, the caliper and pads) would have picked it up. Cant say i take apart and check the inner working of the master cylinder frequently. There was indeed no warning for it letting go. I pushed the pedal and it worked, sometime later i pushed the pedal and it didnt. go figure :confused: