Stolen Bikes!

[Mom]

Makes no difference to me whether they are super expensive sports bikes or a cheap and cheerful heap of crap commuter or something in between. I dont care if it is an off road unregistered hell for leather dirt bike or a kids little put/put two wheeler. The fact it is chrome as far as the eye can see that you have waited forever to get or spent a fortune on personalising it to your taste, or its older cousin, the loud and obnoxious bleck one is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

Reading here recently has really highlighted how prevalant bike theft is.

Obviously we all take what we deem to be ok security, or we take none at all, or somewhere in between.

How do we stop our pride and joy bikes from being stolen?

Any of you been offered cheap parts?

Any of you been offered a deal too good to be true?

Any of you seen cheap parts on Tard me?

There has to be a market for stolen bikes/parts. We are bikers, ergo we are the market?

So who is buying this stuff??

Discuss...

[AndyOnTheFlyingBrick]

I remember reading a bike mag in the uk and they did a page spread about bike theft.

They placed some bikes in a busy city centre and just put disc locks on them. Then a white van pulled up and a couple of guys pulled up in a white van and just picked up the bike and put it in the van! Alarm going and people watching but no one did a thing!

basic point was that disc locks are ok for preventing the odd opportunist but people targeting bikes will pinch them very easily unless securly anchored against something hard to move.

[Headbanger]

Bikes are easy to pinch no matter what you lock them to, Mine is in a vault, multiple padlocks,chains and steel bars. Probably slow some one down for less then 10 minutes if they were keen to get it and had the right tools.

Lets hope the company that monitors the alarm is on the ball.

Best bet is to keep em out of sight.

as for the original post, I have no idea, I don't associate with bike thieves.

[lostinflyz]

i just saw my neighboors car cabled and locked to his concrete fence. ohh what a world we live in.

if people want a bike they will take it. but a few basic things can stop the younger "insert stereotype" theives (i.e. discs locks/padlocks)

Ive noticed you cant rely on anyone to notice anything and that a well hidden bike is just about always safer than a well secured exposed one

[Mom]

I remember reading a bike mag in the uk and they did a page spread about bike theft.

They placed some bikes in a busy city centre and just put disc locks on them. Then a white van pulled up and a couple of guys pulled up in a white van and just picked up the bike and put it in the van! Alarm going and people watching but no one did a thing!

basic point was that disc locks are ok for preventing the odd opportunist but people targeting bikes will pinch them very easily unless securly anchored against something hard to move.


i just saw my neighboors car cabled and locked to his concrete fence. ohh what a world we live in.

if people want a bike they will take it. but a few basic things can stop the younger "insert stereotype" theives (i.e. discs locks/padlocks)

Ive noticed you cant rely on anyone to notice anything and that a well hidden bike is just about always safer than a well secured exposed one


Excellent stuff, but who buys the bikes/bits?

Yes we all take what we accept as our minimum security. Yes, society does not give a shit on the whole, though maybe turn a blind eye is becomg the "safest" option. Read the news some day, I dont blame people for ignoring things.

Where is the market?

[98tls]

Not sure where the market is but have found a dog to be the best way of keeping my bike safe in the garage,if he can hear a hedgehog out in the back yard he will hear a low-life bike thief for sure.

[MIZXR]

David Carter, a Christchurch MP, a few years ago told my parents after one of my bikes was flogged that without theft there would be no second hand market so guess why they let the crims away.

[madbikeboy]

Hi Mom, hope you're not on the recieving end...

I agree with the notion that the parts must be turning up on trademe, or in a pub, or whatever. By purchasing those cheap fairings (or whatever) you're supporting the lifestyle of the chain of scumbags who ripped them from one of your fellow bikers homes/workplaces etc.

I'm trialling a new GPS / tracking device on my scoot. We are trialling the device to ensure that it doesn't cause any problems with the bike. The cool thing is that I now have telemetry for track days, so I can measure speed, braking forces, aceleration etc. Even better, when I'm sitting at work I can see where my precious is.

The people who are supplying the unit are a bunch of really good buggers, and once we are sure that there are no worries, we'll be selling them.

The units aren't cheap - and before anyone PM's me telling me there are cheaper alternatives (which there are, but $20 disk locks seem to fall short) - compare the cost to your insurance premium, or in my case, work out how much time and effort has gone into tuning, modifying, and set up, and the price is actually very reasonable.

More news to follow.

Mom, good on you for saying it out loud.

[MIZXR]

All well and good but how do you get the bike back?

The cops. I had a bike stolen and it was located by a truck driver I knew In the time it took for the filth to get there the could have striped the bike, sold the gear and taken a flight to England.

A GPS tracker won't help this and NZ won't allow the victim to go get it so....?

[Mom]

All well and good but how do you get the bike back?

The cops. I had a bike stolen and it was located by a truck driver I knew In the time it took for the filth to get there the could have striped the bike, sold the gear and taken a flight to England.

A GPS tracker won't help this and NZ won't allow the victim to go get it so....?


Fuct indeed! So where is the market for these ripped machines? Apologies for repeating myself, and this was not directed at you.

Perhaps I should have headed this up...cheap GSXR parts and placed it it the online trading section of the forum. Bet I would have been over run by offers to buy shit!

[Conquiztador]

Sadly nothing new under the sun. Horses used to be stolen.

Own a bike and be prepared to walk out to an empty spot.

What to do? No idea. My solutions would put me in jail.

Only things I have managed to come up with are:
- Own some crap that nobody wants.
- Own such a customised bike that nothing can be sold of it
- Sleep with her and have her at arms length 24/7
- Be in a patched gang. A seriously bad ass one.
- Insurance (a good one!)
- Be known for beating the shit outta anyone who even looks at her.
- Be so rich that it does not matter
- Be so wasted that you don't care
- Just steal another one...

Also, earlier:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70709&highlight=bike+alarms&page=3

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70693&highlight=bike+alarms&page=3

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=58381&highlight=bike+alarms

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=54139&highlight=bike+alarms

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=53382&highlight=bike+alarms

And there is heaps more.

[Ixion]

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There has to be a market for stolen bikes/parts. We are bikers, ergo we are the market?

So who is buying this stuff??

Discuss...

Not necessarily. Some stuff like engines ends up in non bike areas (eg karts). Some bikes (chookchasers) are sold no questions asked to people who ride them (eg farnmers) but aren't really bikers. And I suspect that harley stuff and such like may go off shore.

Not much can be sone about it. Hard to say the the guy in the helmet fiddling with his ignition or disk lock is actually stealing it. Loading it ina avn, well , yeah I'd ask. Just innocent like "Oh , having a bit of trouble mate, anything I can do to help.". Clicky clicky clicky phone camera. *555 might be a starter.

Of course, if we *catch* the bastards, then that's another matter .

Old rule, is don't let it out of sight.

Maybe BRONZ might have a word with the cops. Anyone know if theres a bike-pinching squad or anything? Sort of a bit specialised, you'd think there might be. If there isn't there should be.

[Conquiztador]

I have asked this on here before, but never got any answers:

Is there a PI or such in NZ that specialises in bike recovery?

[CB ARGH]

My bike jacket (Revit RS2 Leather Jacket)seemed too good to be true. $899 brand new in the store... the jacket looked less than a year old and he too $300 for it. I didn't really care, it was cheap. Thankfully I haven't had to go buy many parts for the bike, all my parts were brand spanking new! :D

[Forest]

David Carter, a Christchurch MP, a few years ago told my parents after one of my bikes was flogged that without theft there would be no second hand market so guess why they let the crims away.

I think that quote is back to front.

There wouldn't be theft without a second hand market. Crims steal stuff because (somewhere) there is a market they can sell the parts into.

[MIZXR]

I think that quote is back to front.

There wouldn't be theft without a second hand market. Crims steal stuff because (somewhere) there is a market they can sell the parts into.

Nope right first time. Always wondered if having his car stolen would change his mind.

For the stolen parts the markets world wide.

[slofox]

Interestingly enough, when I insured my new bike, the cover specified that at night, the bike MUST be in a locked garage......which just happens to be right underneath my bedroom.....

[portokiwi]

Trade me allways has parts for sale.... Wish they had parts I need.:(
Still the idea of buying stolen gear isnt a good Idea as if they get busted you go down with them, even if you brought it without knowing it was HOT

[phyx1u5]

solution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRMTtR5I2E&feature=related

or

get someone like Joe Arpaio to run our prisons but somehow I don't think that would happen considering how "PC" this country is.

[Okey Dokey]

Lived in Orange County, California for a while in the late 80's. I was a victim of bike theft when fairings were stolen off my bike and the ignition was broken. Seriously pissed me off as the bike was my only mode of transit.

I heard through the grapevine that sport bike fairings were purchased at boot sales and the like quite easily. Angry about it it all, but like most folks I just paid up to get bike fixed and carried on. My bike was in a carport under my apartment at the time it was interfered with.

I don't know yet who buys such obviously dodgy stuff, but I gather some of it is stolen to order.

[Mom]

Makes no difference to me whether they are super expensive sports bikes or a cheap and cheerful heap of crap commuter or something in between. I dont care if it is an off road unregistered hell for leather dirt bike or a kids little put/put two wheeler. The fact it is chrome as far as the eye can see that you have waited forever to get or spent a fortune on personalising it to your taste, or its older cousin, the loud and obnoxious bleck one is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

Reading here recently has really highlighted how prevalant bike theft is.

Obviously we all take what we deem to be ok security, or we take none at all, or somewhere in between.

How do we stop our pride and joy bikes from being stolen?

Any of you been offered cheap parts?

Any of you been offered a deal too good to be true?

Any of you seen cheap parts on Tard me?

There has to be a market for stolen bikes/parts. We are bikers, ergo we are the market?

So who is buying this stuff??

Discuss...

There seems to be an increasing number of bikes being stolen since I started this thread last year. I read recently, of one member that has had the same bike stolen TWICE now. What gives with this? There still has to be some bastard buying these stolen bikes? Surely?

[Lula]

Any of you been offered a deal too good to be true?

This looks very suss:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=98536

[Mom]

This looks very suss:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=98536

Except he actually owns the bike :yes:

[Maki]

Maybe it is time for the police to do something about this and stake out spots where bike thieves are likely to strike.

Oh, stupid me I forgot that police are busy chasing people who do 111km/h in passing lanes and learners going faster than 70. Makes me sleep better at night, knowing they are out there fighting real crime.

[oldrider]

Makes no difference to me whether they are super expensive sports bikes or a cheap and cheerful heap of crap commuter or something in between. I dont care if it is an off road unregistered hell for leather dirt bike or a kids little put/put two wheeler. The fact it is chrome as far as the eye can see that you have waited forever to get or spent a fortune on personalising it to your taste, or its older cousin, the loud and obnoxious bleck one is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

Reading here recently has really highlighted how prevalant bike theft is.

Obviously we all take what we deem to be ok security, or we take none at all, or somewhere in between.

How do we stop our pride and joy bikes from being stolen?

Any of you been offered cheap parts?

Any of you been offered a deal too good to be true?

Any of you seen cheap parts on Tard me?

There has to be a market for stolen bikes/parts. We are bikers, ergo we are the market?

So who is buying this stuff??

Discuss...

I want to be on an all night stake out with Mom! :blip:

[Mom]

I want to be on an all night stake out with Mom! :blip:

What, apart from your own yummy self will be the incentive to stay awake all night? double :blip:

[oldrider]

What, apart from your own yummy self will be the incentive to stay awake all night? double :blip:

Catching the thieves would be high priority but my second object of focus. :doh:

[Rayray401]

what are the consequences for being caught though?..few hours of community service, a huge fine..then theyre back on the streets arent they? or they actually get put away so they dont touch our bikes for a while?

[MotoGirl]

what are the consequences for being caught though?..few hours of community service, a huge fine..then theyre back on the streets arent they? or they actually get put away so they dont touch our bikes for a while?

Simple. There are no consequences. The thieves that get caught just don't show up for their court appearances and they wouldn't pay any fines that were dished out if they did show up.

[bane]

just paste in a current stolen bike - as topical to thread.



My mate had his R1 stolen from behind his house in Kawerau (BOP) either Friday or Saturday nite (29/30 May).

Bike was chained - so unlikely to be joy riders.

Details:

2002 R1 (blue) - first of the injected models
~40000km

registration: 92YME

VIN#: JYAM09442A000039

ENG#: N507E002907

Fitted with a pack rack frame.


The bike wasnt insured against theft, so any information much appreciated.

thanks.

[Rayray401]

Simple. There are no consequences. The thieves that get caught just don't show up for their court appearances and they wouldn't pay any fines that were dished out if they did show up.

true true...failed justice system

[Insanity_rules]

Simple. There are no consequences. The thieves that get caught just don't show up for their court appearances and they wouldn't pay any fines that were dished out if they did show up.

There'd be bloody consequences if someone stole my current bike I can tell you that for free. I don't use the police and I'm a sociopath.

[Brian d marge]

David Carter, a Christchurch MP, a few years ago told my parents after one of my bikes was flogged that without theft there would be no second hand market so guess why they let the crims away.
I know David Carter very well and lets Just say he has a tenous grasp on reality,

Try this one for size, student loans , back in the day Student loans are ok , but without a network of grants and subsidies ( given , loaned and payed back at differing rates the student loan system will fail

David said ahh yes but its only 25% ( which lets face it at that time was on an engineering course about 1200 a year ....)

I said to him 25% of a lot of course fees and text fees and incidentals WAS a lot of money More than his 1200

He could not and would not make the connection

Jobs for the boys ,,,,

Stephen

[gwigs]

Funnily enough I was thinking about bike theft today and realised it wouldnt be hard to target a particular bike or car for that matter...all a thief needs to do is to go to the post office with the reg no of the vehicle they
are after..you fill out a form ,pay 2 dollars and you can have all the details i.e. address...stake it out and ...
would pay to have a different address registered to where it is kept.

[Renegade]

i think it works like this,

You have your standard bikes that are targeted such as harleys, old triumphs and nortons etc, targeted specifically for their parts, be it as a mostly complete bike for a plate and tag job, which is extremely easy, or a complete break down, often to order.
These bikes are targeted at times specifically for individual items such as motor, forks, wheels etc.
parts head typically to the seedy underworld of the community that 80% of KBers havent seen the likes of, gangs and associate companies, yes its business and often legitimately fronted businesses.

Dirt bikes, well thats easy, people steal them to order or for them selves, new bars here, new plastics there, and its a different bike, interchangable after market parts, no reg etc, id say an incredibly hard thing to Police considering dirt bikes are used where there is no cops and would be a pure chance meeting to locate the bikes.

Other bikes, stolen to order and wreck, bike wreckers for instance, or even some one who crashed their own bike and wants to change it all over.
buy an insurance write off,get another exact bike, swap tags over, re-reg as a repaired crashed bike.

Internet is another market shipping parts out, or even complete bikesto other countries for parts, Oz??.

What im trying to say is the market is specific, only a few parts would make it to the public to buy and be non traceableitems, of course all crims aint that smart, bet not many late model bmw road bikes get nicked...

Cars often get nicked for fun, but bikes are not something that occurs to a couple of car knockers, they often cant ride, know they will draw attention with no helmet etc and cant go pick up all their mates for a ride.

Subarus for instance, buy a shitty two wheel drive impreza, steal a wrx impreza and stick the running gear in the shit impreza turning it into a 4wd model, all the chasis holes are there etc.

This shit is nothing new people its been happening as some one else mentioned back to when horses were it, cattle stolen and rebranded etc, just like swapping a rego.

i wont go into how easy it is to steal a bike as thats been covered by others, and how its easy to find a target bike.

[Mom]

Motorcycle theft is rife in thius country, you only have to read KB each day to see evidence of it, and we are but a small percentage of bikers in NZ. So for me the question is, how come? Why do we allow our bikes to be easy targets for scumbag thieves?

[The Pastor]

you always hire me, i'll catch those bike thiefing scum, then let you decide cops or not

<img src='http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124328&d=1238299776'>

[scracha]

Why do we allow our bikes to be easy targets for scumbag thieves?

'She'll be right' attitude
False perception that NZ has low crime propagated by media to help tourist industry.
Piss weak penalties for committing crime.
Low insurance premiums.
The motorcycle industry (dealers, breakers, MNZ) has no interest in implementing a data-tag system ($35 micro-dots with unique identifiers) as it will affect their sales and availability of cheap parts for racers (something cheap and useful that BRONZ could push for instead of a bloody cheesewire campaign).
The Wof only checks the chassis number, not the engine number.
As cops have to bring in revenue, they only check for registration and WOF. I've never actually had a cop in NZ stop me and check my license is valid, my engine and frame numbers match or even if there's tread on my tyres.

[Mom]

Back in the mid 70's I had my bike stolen. It was a Yamaha 125 and you could turn the ignition with anything, even a coin at a pinch. I used to leave it parked under a shelter outside the nurses home where I lived, no locks, no nothing. I went out and it was simply gone. My first thought was my boyfriend had come and borrowed it, and I was a bit ticked as I was effectively stuck at the nurses home. I went off to my shift and came back and my bike was back!

Later I rang him and gave him berries for leaving me stranded and it was not him. So, someone needed to use my bike for something and they borrowed it. Brought it back dirty with no gas in it either. Thing is I deserved to lose it, no locks etc. Back then though to be fair you could actually do that. Since then many motorcycles later it has never happened again.

[bogan]

All well and good but how do you get the bike back?

The cops. I had a bike stolen and it was located by a truck driver I knew In the time it took for the filth to get there the could have striped the bike, sold the gear and taken a flight to England.

A GPS tracker won't help this and NZ won't allow the victim to go get it so....?

GPS tracker is the way to go imo, if mine gets stolen and i know exactly where it is, either the cops are going there or i will be (with a vanload of burly blokes).

And if the cops arent keen to go, seriously, wtf, all the work has been done for them, all they have to do is go in and make some arrests.

[Metalor]

you always hire me, i'll catch those bike thiefing scum, then let you decide cops or not



Aye? Did you get someone's bike back for them? What a champion!

[Indiana_Jones]

you always hire me, i'll catch those bike thiefing scum, then let you decide cops or not

RM the bounty hunter!

Move over dog!

-Indy

[Crazy Steve]

Makes no difference to me whether they are super expensive sports bikes or a cheap and cheerful heap of crap commuter or something in between. I dont care if it is an off road unregistered hell for leather dirt bike or a kids little put/put two wheeler. The fact it is chrome as far as the eye can see that you have waited forever to get or spent a fortune on personalising it to your taste, or its older cousin, the loud and obnoxious bleck one is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

Reading here recently has really highlighted how prevalant bike theft is.

Obviously we all take what we deem to be ok security, or we take none at all, or somewhere in between.

How do we stop our pride and joy bikes from being stolen?

Any of you been offered cheap parts?

Any of you been offered a deal too good to be true?

Any of you seen cheap parts on Tard me?

There has to be a market for stolen bikes/parts. We are bikers, ergo we are the market?

So who is buying this stuff??

Discuss...

Some times they are sold complete once running....

I recently heard of someone offering a 2004 Yamaha R1 In the Waikato area for $2,000.00 was it stolen yes....Did the person buying it care that it was stolen NO....

Also how many bikes on Trade me right now that are Updates ? ?

We all know what updating a Bike is right ? ?

Crazy Steve...

[LaytonNZ]

we need 240V Electric alarms:D anybody touchs it and you have a free meal when you get back to ur bike from where ever you've been!:banana:

[denefoster]

There seems to be an increasing number of bikes being stolen since I started this thread last year. I read recently, of one member that has had the same bike stolen TWICE now. What gives with this? There still has to be some bastard buying these stolen bikes? Surely?

That was probably me ! First time, the cops caught the guy.. then he did a runner and haven't heard back since (pity, i had to rewire it all up, new plastics, etc.. was out of pocket near a grand). Second time they didn't even call me back. Penalties need to be far harsher I think.

New bike will be here soon, and I plan on garaging it at a separate location and alarming + insuring. But still just ridiculous. New Zealand is not large, and there's not even that large of a biking community. If "they" ( the shops and cops) wanted to put a stop to it, they could. So why don't they ?

edit for a stolen bike plug. was a plated 2002 DR-Z400E, trailtech vapour, all yellow plastics, zeta bars, zeta hardguards, drc drz specific smoked tailight + plate holder. Reggo was 12ZBU. Keep them peepers peeled :)

[Bend-it]

Any of you been offered cheap parts?
Any of you been offered a deal too good to be true?
Any of you seen cheap parts on Tard me?


Actually, it's doesn't have to be cheap or "too good to be true"... The crim would make more money and remove suspicion if they sold goods for a higher price!



How do we stop our pride and joy bikes from being stolen?


Can't stop a determined thief...

Well actually, this is where Murphy comes into play... if you have insurance, then your bike won't be stolen! Simple as that! :)

If it is stolen, then it's new bike time! :banana:

Tongue in cheek, of course it sucks having a bike stolen, and thieves should be castrated with a meat tenderiser...



Subarus for instance, buy a shitty two wheel drive impreza, steal a wrx impreza and stick the running gear in the shit impreza turning it into a 4wd model, all the chasis holes are there etc.


And that's back to front... surely it's easier to get the bumpers, stickers and differing body panels off the 2wd one and put it on the 4wd one, as opposed to pulling out all the running gear!! Except for the top mount intercooler scoop... Maybe put a front-mounted one in and paint it black if it'll fit...

Then you can sell the 2wd one with wrx body kit to some wannabe moron! :)

Anyway, this is beside the point... :)