Political incorrectness

[Rainbow Wizard]

The PC free New Zealand website is up and running on www.pcfreenz.co.nz. In particular it features an on-line petition to stop the spread of political correctness in New Zealand. It is hoped that the petition will be widely circulated and supported by the silent and not-so-silent non-PC majority.

Go for it fellow bikers.

[Riff Raff]

Yes, PC has gone way too far IMO.

[Biff]

Those commie, hippie, arse bandit PC buggerfurkers, all bloody foreigners as well. They really get up my nose. Hang the lot of the yellow belly lesbos I say.

They should get back in the kitchen where they belong. Even the female ones.

God is black, you know she is.

Here's a true story for you - I used to run a company that supplied radio communication equipment to most of the UK's police forces. There was an emergency button on the top of the hand held radio that when depressed ( I was) would send out an alarm to all other police officers in the area and an emergency priority signal back to the control room. A female police officer complained and threatened legal action against both my company and her police force (greater Manchester), because when the button was pressed the LCD on the radio read "Man Down". It cost the freakin tax payer nearly 50 K pounds for my company to re-programme them, even after we gave them a 40% discount. Stupid cow.

:2guns: :brick: :sneaky2: :kick:

[XTC]

Yeah apparently I cannot refer to the person who delivers my mail as a mail lady even though she is a lady (i presume) and delivers mail....

[Blakamin]

done!!!! signed....

[Riff Raff]

A female police officer complained and threatened legal action against both my company and her police force (greater Manchester), because when the button was pressed the LCD on the radio read "Man Down".
That is just getting beyond ridiculous. When is it going to stop?
Big ranty rave expletives coming from RR household.

[Skyryder]

The PC free New Zealand website is up and running on www.pcfreenz.co.nz. In particular it features an on-line petition to stop the spread of political correctness in New Zealand. It is hoped that the petition will be widely circulated and supported by the silent and not-so-silent non-PC majority.

Go for it fellow bikers.

Just a smoke screen for ACT and their freebooters. Sure some of the PC bullshite has gone too far. But has it cost you anything? Put these fuckers in power and watch the petrol rise along with everything else.

Skyryder

[Hitcher]

Rid forever the world of the "personnel access hatch"!

Oh yes. Indeed. Don't you know it!

[James Deuce]

Yes, PC has gone way too far IMO.
Fark, don't say that out loud, CSL will burst a blood vessel!

[Ms Piggy]

Those commie, hippie, arse bandit PC buggerfurkers, all bloody foreigners as well. They really get up my nose. Hang the lot of the yellow belly lesbos I say.

No we're not :bleh:

[Ms Piggy]

Fark, don't say that out loud, CSL will burst a blood vessel!
Hah hah hah. I hadn't seen your post before I posted. No blood vessels were harmed in the typing of this or the previous post, rest assured. ;)

[Krayy]

Well I personally haven't seen a correct politician in years. What makes you think a petition will sort the bastards out!?!?

Maybe it's a spell checker issue?

After reading through the petition, it's a bit loose in it's aims as a return to the status quo probably isn't an option in today's world, but if it can get a valid discussion going, it's got my vote.

[Posh Tourer :P]

PCFreeNZ has five goals:

* Eradicating PC jargon
* Ending race-based entitlements and cultural correctness
* Cutting red tape and bureaucracy
* Eliminating social engineering
* The rebirth of common sense

I agree with 1,3 and 5. I've got some issues with the implications of 2 and 4, so I didn't sign.....

[James Deuce]

I agree with 1,3 and 5. I've got some issues with the implications of 2 and 4, so I didn't sign.....
I didn't have issues with 2 & 4. All I want is a nice black uniform, like that nice Doogie Howser had in Starship Troopers.

[Krayy]

I didn't have issues with 2 & 4. All I want is a nice black uniform, like that nice Doogie Howser had in Starship Troopers.
And we could get Nicky Hager to produce a pamphlet exposing the governments involvement in clandestine Social Engineering. :Punk:

[Coyote]

Saw the 'Act' Logo and buggered off

[Motu]

Saw the 'Act' Logo and buggered off

Me too,but I was almost swayed looking at the blonde chick....

I hate PC big time,but I hate political causes even more.

[Jamezo]

I took the time to read their vitriolic nonsense, my retinas almost imploded from the sheer facetiousness.

why don't they do the honorable ACT Party thing and go out there and heckle some ethnic people or something productive? why are they wasting time with this hippie political activism schtick?

[James Deuce]

I took the time to read their vitriolic nonsense, my retinas almost imploded from the sheer facetiousness.

why don't they do the honorable ACT Party thing and go out there and heckle some ethnic people or something productive? why are they wasting time with this hippie political activism schtick?

For a political system to REALLY work, as many aspects of society as can be gathered successfully or otherwise in one place need to participate. Social unrest and outright revolution come from those isolated from any influence on the governance of their society. Without ACT, the Maori party, Labour, or United Future, the Greens, et al (sorry Malcolm), there isn't even a stab at Democracy in NZ.

Besides vitriolic is a bit strong for ACT: shrewish or shrill perhaps, but vitriolic??? NAHHHH

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Come on :o Those of you that live in Auckland have seen this Political correctness thing to the extreme. :yeah: Race tracks make to much noise and so do the V8's. What hope is there for the rest of the country when the JAFA's want to live like that. You voted for them :crazy:

[curious george]

And vonce zie v8's ist gone, ve shall have our qviet utopia.

[Biff]

No we're not :bleh:


Well if you're not, you must be a liberal, redneck, thingy.
You weirdo :wavey:

[James Deuce]

Well if you're not, you must be a liberal, redneck, thingy.
You weirdo :wavey:

You got part of that right. :sly:

[curious george]

I agree with 1,3 and 5. I've got some issues with the implications of 2 and 4, so I didn't sign.....

Yeah, agree with ya there PT, the the implications could be a bit off...
Race based funding is sometimes the best thing to do, but often done in a really bad way, but the ACT suck up scarmonger shit to rap a few votes is not to far removed from the destiny church crowd, just in a more professional way

[Posh Tourer :P]

Yeah, agree with ya there PT, the the implications could be a bit off...
Race based funding is sometimes the best thing to do, but often done in a really bad way, but the ACT suck up scarmonger shit to rap a few votes is not to far removed from the destiny church crowd, just in a more professional way

Speaking of Destiny Church, did anyone see sideswipe today?

"Desinty Church.....blahblah Vote no too lesbians Its a SIN blahblah Followers" (sic)

Obviously a highly intelligent bunch of neighbours these people have.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=10007884

[Biff]

I'm honestly struggling here to think of anything non PC that isn't:

a) Racist - which I'm not, as I believe everyone should own a pom.
b) Sexist - which I'm not, as I thinks sex is great.
c) Anti semetic - Would jew believe it, I don't.
d) Pro America - As if.
e) I have no issues with peoples sexuality - I have the films to prove it.

So If the none of the above apply to me, how can anything I say not be PC you bunch of sausage jockeys and rug munchers ? Aren't all PC/non PC things subjective anyway?

(there's a serious question in there somewhere)

[toads]

The PC free New Zealand website is up and running on www.pcfreenz.co.nz. In particular it features an on-line petition to stop the spread of political correctness in New Zealand. It is hoped that the petition will be widely circulated and supported by the silent and not-so-silent non-PC majority.

Go for it fellow bikers.

I'm totally for the abolishing of pc agendas, it's so bloody dishonest!

[Gixxer 4 ever]

"Desinty Church.....blahblah Vote no too lesbians Its a SIN blahblah [/url]
It is. It is a selfish act. Sex is not about self gratification but the creation of life. If it is not wrong for lesbians to be sexually active why do ( the people in the paper article ) hide it at home and not want to show affection in public? No I am not a follower of the destiny church but I agree with some of the stuff they stand for.

[James Deuce]

It is. It is a selfish act. Sex is not about self gratification but the creation of life. If it is not wrong for lesbians to be sexually active why do ( the people in the paper article ) hide it at home and not want to show affection in public? No I am not a follower of the destiny church but I agree with some of the stuff they stand for.

I think he was commenting on how the incorrect usage of "too" exhorts lesbians to "vote no please" to support the Destiny Church agenda. I don't think that's going to happen, somehow.

[Posh Tourer :P]

It is. It is a selfish act. Sex is not about self gratification but the creation of life. If it is not wrong for lesbians to be sexually active why do ( the people in the paper article ) hide it at home and not want to show affection in public? No I am not a follower of the destiny church but I agree with some of the stuff they stand for.

Its not out in public because they don't want to offend people maybe? How many heterosexual couples show that much affection in public? How many of them are sexually active in places other than at home?

Whoever said sex wasn't about self-gratification? From a church perspective, perhaps that is true, but from an evolutionary perspective, it is definitely about both pleasure and procreation. There wouldn't be humans if procreation wasnt either hardwired or pleasureable.....

[Ms Piggy]

Well if you're not, you must be a liberal, redneck, thingy.
You weirdo :wavey:
No. Yes. :msn-wink:

[Ms Piggy]

You got part of that right. :sly:
I can make fun of myself quite nicely thankyou! :moon:

[Posh Tourer :P]

I think he was commenting on how the incorrect usage of "too" exhorts lesbians to "vote no please" to support the Destiny Church agenda. I don't think that's going to happen, somehow.

There was that aspect. The banner also get my hackles up a bit.... I was not only bringing it to attention, but laughing at "too" and "Desinty"

[Biff]

It is. It is a selfish act. Sex is not about self gratification but the creation of life. If it is not wrong for lesbians to be sexually active why do ( the people in the paper article ) hide it at home and not want to show affection in public? No I am not a follower of the destiny church but I agree with some of the stuff they stand for.

Ohhhh - do please shuttup. Live and let live bro'. I mean, "hiding it at home". Eh? What? What's "it"? Holding hands? I've seen ladies holding hands here. Kissing? I've seen ladies kissing here. Sex? I do that both at home and wherever else I can without getting arrested. The same goes for gays as well I guess. Besides, very rarely do I kiss my wife in public. But I love her and she knows it.

As sex not being about self (and your chosen partners) gratification - now you are seriously taking the pi$$. Are you honestly going to tell me that every time you have sex with your wife/lover she has a child? Or are you still a virgin and have yet to experience the love of a woman?

Dude - take a chill pill, relax and live and let live.

[Biff]

No. Yes. :msn-wink:



Oh - so you're a thingy are you (cos your neck aint red and you can't be weird ).

I knew a bloke that was thingy, he was a bit, "you know" and prone to this and that. Pesonaly I couldn't give a whatsit. As long as I could have a thing a me jig.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I think he was commenting on how the incorrect usage of "too" exhorts lesbians to "vote no please" to support the Destiny Church agenda. I don't think that's going to happen, somehow.
Yes but this is a thread on the great PC debate and it is not PC to do what the neighbours have done nor use them for the no vote. Nor is it PC for me to comment in such a way in a public forum but people do. With that in mind it shows we, the people , still have the ability to change things. The small voices in the world need to stand up and say "enough of this PC crap" and get some reality back in to the world. If it takes a political party, and churches for that matter, to use it for its own gain surely it will help. Yes it was a troll and I know people hate it but I for one have had enough of the pathetic PC world where no one can stand up for what they believe in for fear of up setting others. Bit like the smoking thing. Why not have smoking and non-smoking bars/pubs? You purchase a house by a race way you get to see the races for free. You want to believe in God and you say it is a sin, fine, other people can make up their own mind but we do not need the government dictating to us what and how we should behave. Of course with in reason as we still need structure to maintain a stable society.

[Ms Piggy]

Oh - so you're a thingy are you (cos your neck aint red and you can't be weird ).

I knew a bloke that was thingy, he was a bit, "you know" and prone to this and that. Pesonaly I couldn't give a whatsit. As long as I could have a thing a me jig.
Close but no cigar. I'm not a thingy, although I am prone to a lot of things.

You may find out if you come to Akaroa on the 5th. :)

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Ohhhh - do please shuttup. Live and let live bro'.

Dude - take a chill pill, relax and live and let live.
See post above. My point is I am sick of the Government cranking down our freedom to be who we are. Let the people of New Zealand have the power back and stop making all these rules. This government is over the top on control and they use the PC thing to get what they want. I for one am sick of it.The more people we have kicking out the more aware the government will be that we have had enough.It was a troll to make people aware that this is a serious issue
and yes I have a wifey and four kids and life is good

[Ms Piggy]

See post above. My point is I am sick of the Government cranking down our freedom to be who we are. Let the people of New Zealand have the power back and stop making all these rules. This government is over the top on control and they use the PC thing to get what they want. I for one am sick of it.The more people we have kicking out the more aware the government will be that we have had enough.It was a troll to make people aware that this is a serious issue
and yes I have a wifey and four kids and life is good
Ok - time for me to pipe up. You had your chances to oppose the policy changes before they went ahead. You had ample opportunity to go to your MP, start a petition and/or march like all those other black t-shirt wearing types did. I believe if enough people had opposed it, it would not have been passed into legislation...well I'd like to think so anway!

Others may feel the same about the smoking legislation, some may say it enhances their freedom and others may say it restricts it. Depends who you are doesn't it.

[curious george]

Speaking of Destiny Church, did anyone see sideswipe today?

"Desinty Church.....blahblah Vote no too lesbians Its a SIN blahblah Followers" (sic)

Obviously a highly intelligent bunch of neighbours these people have.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=10007884

I know somebody very upset by this, something very similar happened to her from her nice 'born again christian' neighbours.

Most Christians I know are pretty tolerant of 'alternative' behaviour, not their cup of tea, but each to their own.
Cant these 'regular' christians trade mark God, Jesus the cross or something and stop these wankers using the Lords name for their own small minded, fucked-up political adgenda?

[Jamezo]

See post above. My point is I am sick of the Government cranking down our freedom to be who we are. Let the people of New Zealand have the power back and stop making all these rules. This government is over the top on control and they use the PC thing to get what they want. I for one am sick of it.The more people we have kicking out the more aware the government will be that we have had enough.It was a troll to make people aware that this is a serious issue
and yes I have a wifey and four kids and life is good

and you want the government to give us back our freedom by banning homosexuality? FUCK.

here is a very conservative guy's take on the whole gay thing. it makes a bloody lot of sense, try and read it: http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/gaymarriage.shtml

[Stevo]

I have no issues with peoples sexuality - I have the films to prove it.

LMAO.

I was not going to reply :shutup: to this threead because of it's political and religious content, but then someone mentioned sex and I could not help myself............................................ ............... :innocent: :sneaky2:

[Biff]

Close but no cigar. I'm not a thingy, although I am prone to a lot of things.

You may find out if you come to Akaroa on the 5th. :)

It's a date - how could I refuse such suspense. I'm particularly partial to lots of prone things. Oooo errr - does that sound rude? Maybe it's just me. It's not the mouth it comes out of it's the mind it goes into - or something like that. Oh jees, even that sounds smutty. I'm outta here before I get into real trouble. :shutup:

[Biff]

See post above. My point is I am sick of the Government cranking down our freedom to be who we are. Let the people of New Zealand have the power back and stop making all these rules. This government is over the top on control and they use the PC thing to get what they want. I for one am sick of it.The more people we have kicking out the more aware the government will be that we have had enough.It was a troll to make people aware that this is a serious issue
and yes I have a wifey and four kids and life is good

Shit - I guess this makes my rant PC!!!!!!! You carry on mate. I'm off - again.

[Ms Piggy]

It's a date - how could I refuse such suspense. I'm particularly partial to lots of prone things. Oooo errr - does that sound rude? Maybe it's just me. It's not the mouth it comes out of it's the mind it goes into - or something like that. Oh jees, even that sounds smutty. I'm outta here before I get into real trouble. :shutup:
Too late - see ya next week. :apint:

[Jamezo]

I'm totally for the abolishing of pc agendas, it's so bloody dishonest!

would you care to elucidate on nature of this 'PC agenda', that you wish to 'abolish'?

heck, that ACT woman was foaming at the mouth trying to suggest how the godless liberals were attempting to sway the political discourse by subverting the language itself (only she was too stupid to put it as elegantly as I did, perhaps she was appealing to the intelligence of her constituents?)

it is my sincere wish that Labour cut a lot of the PC rigmarole, of which I believe the pendulum has swung a little too far. however it is incredibly intellectually dishonest to try and imply some hidden socialist agenda, she is obviously trying to play on the average punters ideals of 'common sense', of which the policies she stands for have little. indeed that sums up right wing politics rather well (esp. the USA), where spin doctors in think tanks dream up ways of making the average constituent furious at an artificially created sense of moral erosion and 'common sense', in order to gain power and enact policies which are in direct opposition to the comman man which was manipulated into voting them into power.

that's my political post for the week.

[inlinefour]

The PC free New Zealand website is up and running on www.pcfreenz.co.nz. In particular it features an on-line petition to stop the spread of political correctness in New Zealand. It is hoped that the petition will be widely circulated and supported by the silent and not-so-silent non-PC majority.

Go for it fellow bikers.

Until I noticed that it was a political site. What a load of crap :whocares:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

and you want the government to give us back our freedom by banning homosexuality? FUCK.

here is a very conservative guy's take on the whole gay thing. it makes a bloody lot of sense, try and read it: http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/gaymarriage.shtml

Good link. We have to much law trying to guide, control, every facit of our lives here in NZ. Look at the Resource management act etc. In order for people to be catered for in life we need less legislation not more. That was my point. People have commented on the politics behind the Political incorrectness of a "political party" running a web sigh for it's own gain. As you will read from many here that's the only way to get a balance. Who cares who starts the discussion to find middle ground you need discussion. You picked up on and took out of context my efforts to point out the importance of public discussion.

[Posh Tourer :P]

As I pointed out before, there are two sad aspects to the article/banner. One is the lack of thought they put into it. The second is the small-minded personal hate that it shows. I'm not trying to touch on an issue of PC tolerance, I'm looking at personal relationships between people, although I acknowledge that it does cross over a bit....

[outlawtorn]

I haven't read through the entire discussion cause I just don't have time at the office, but for those of you who are reading this, here we go;

I have only been in NZ for 6 months, prior to that I have lived in Johannesburg, South Africa for most of my life and I have had enough of political correctness. To me PC is the langauge of cowardice (as Billy Connolly put it), why bother skirting around the issue? If you are fat you are fat, if you are black you are black, if you are bald you are bald, if you are stupid you are stupid. In this day and age we have seen more and experienced more and we should be more open minded to everything life has to offer and we should NEVER have to worry about offending a young, blind, black, pregnant lesbian in a wheel chair.

I'm not saying that it is OK to insult people and to use derogatory remarks but people should stop being so sensitive and get on with life, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. If a radio DJ offends you then change stations, don't get hung up about it.

I myself have been targeted as a racist because I referred to someone once as a black person and not as a "previously disadvantaged individual", I mean what the fuck is this world coming to? I have loads of mates in South Africa who are black and don't mind being called black just like I don't mind being called white!

Whew! That's saved me a bit in counselling fees, good to get that of my chest.

C-ya people

[Biff]

Can I take a straw poll please regarding the following jokes. I now they are not PC (like I care), but are they offensive? And no this is not just a cheap attempt at telling jokes - for a change:


Q: What do you call an Asian that doesn't own a shop?
A: Doctor


Q: Why don't you ever see any Asian team do well in the football world cup?
A: Because every time they are awarded a corner they open a shop


Now - I know that these jokes generalise (Asians either own shops or are doctors in this case. If anything these jokes claim that Asians are hard working), but are they really offensive? I personally see nothing derogatory with these jokes, but several white PC people I know do. I'd be keen to gauge your opinion.

Ta

[Ms Piggy]

I'd actually like to know what people that are against this "PC madness" are actually referring to?

I agree with what outlawtorn & Jamezo & Biff Baff. So I don't understand what you are meaning. Can someone explain? It seems to me we all want a decent society where everyone gets a fair shake of the stick or whatever.

I think from talks me & my mate Jim2 have had I know what people are getting at but, I want examples other than those already given.

Hmmmmmmmmm...I think I've just open a can of worms here! ;)

[Slim]

Helen Clark has a strong tendency to de-sex common terms for people. She refers to Policemen (commonly understood to mean someone who works in the police force, despite gender) as Police-person. I liked Outlawtorn's comment: "... black person and not as a "previously disadvantaged individual".

Political Correctness is trying to come up with labels for people, races, sexual orientations, jobs, etc that describe those things without being "offensive" to everyone. And I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Outlawtorns comments.

[Rainbow Wizard]

Sure some of the PC bullshite has gone too far. But has it cost you anything? Skyryder

You bloody betcha it costs us, Biff_Baff's comment is an absolute classic and proof of cost. Sure that was UK, but we're not that different. I'm sure there were (are) plenty of better causes to spend that money on.

[outlawtorn]

Biff-Baff, those jokes have just sent my office into roaring laughter....

Good one!

[Skunk]

Hmmmmmmmmm...I think I've just open a can of worms here! ;)And then she buggers off on holiday :killingme

[Rainbow Wizard]

Saw the 'Act' Logo and buggered off

Mate, at their polling they ain't gonna be a problem. I suggest you pull your head out of the instant dismissal sand because I suspect you could make more of a mark by being proactive, regardless of any perceived political associations. I think party politics is crap anyway, they should all be independents (provided their intelligent & educated).

[Coldkiwi]

And we could get Nicky Hager to produce a pamphlet exposing the governments involvement in clandestine Social Engineering. :Punk:

who needs Nicky Hagar!? Its hardly clandestine social engineering.

Reckon I'll be signing that. I don't beleive non PC has to exclude justice

[Rainbow Wizard]

Me too,but I was almost swayed looking at the blonde chick....
I hate PC big time,but I hate political causes even more.

Then it ain't gonna change from you input is it? Sand? I thought it was fence!!!

[Rainbow Wizard]

Race tracks make to much noise and so do the V8's. What hope is there for the rest of the country when the JAFA's want to live like that. You voted for them :crazy:

Not me buddy!

[Rainbow Wizard]

Until I noticed that it was a political site. What a load of crap :whocares:

Political correctness is a lot of crap, and anything to sway the system back to reality has got to be good for us aint it?

[Coyote]

Mate, at their polling they ain't gonna be a problem. I suggest you pull your head out of the instant dismissal sand because I suspect you could make more of a mark by being proactive, regardless of any perceived political associations. I think party politics is crap anyway, they should all be independents (provided their intelligent & educated).
I buggered off more because if my Dad had seen the act logo, he would've started a lecture on their policies and how corupt they are, etc

[Ms Piggy]

And then she buggers off on holiday :killingme
Mwah hah hah :devil2:

[Rainbow Wizard]

We have too much law trying to guide, control, every facit of our lives here in NZ. Look at the Resource management act etc. In order for people to be catered for in life we need less legislation not more. That was my point. People have commented on the politics behind the Political incorrectness of a "political party" running a web sigh for it's own gain. As you will read from many here that's the only way to get a balance. Who cares who starts the discussion to find middle ground you need discussion.

Bloody good comment mate, would have given you another tick but the system wouldn't let me!

[Ms Piggy]

Now - I know that these jokes generalise (Asians either own shops or are doctors in this case. If anything these jokes claim that Asians are hard working), but are they really offensive? I personally see nothing derogatory with these jokes, but several white PC people I know do. I'd be keen to gauge your opinion.

Ta
Maybe you could ask an Asian person what they might find offensive about jokes like this.

[Biff]

Maybe you could ask an Asian person what they might find offensive about jokes like this.

I've a Pakistani friend who found the jokes hilarious and took great delight in thinking that people may consider her fellow country "persons" as diligent, conscientious and hardworking - but then again that's a single persons opinion. Another Pakistani may then be offended. So harking back to my previous comment, isn't being PC subjective?

[Rainbow Wizard]

Q: What do you call an Asian that doesn't own a shop?
A: Doctor

Q: Why don't you ever see any Asian team do well in the football world cup?
A: Because every time they are awarded a corner they open a shop.

Politically incorrect, but not offensive. Where are the bloody straws mate?

[Rainbow Wizard]

I buggered off more because if my Dad had seen the act logo, he would've started a lecture on their policies and how corupt they are, etc

Oh, and the others aren't???

[Ms Piggy]

So harking back to my previous comment, isn't being PC subjective?
Yes it is, BUT does that mean we shouldn't be concerned if we offend people or not.

For me it's about respect for people as individuals and not making assumptions based on ethicity, gender or age.

[Biff]

For me it's about respect for people as individuals and not making assumptions based on ethicity, gender or age.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Merely referring to someone ethnicity in a joke and generalising, arguably in a positive light, shouldn't, in my mind at least, be deemed offensive. If it was a joke that inferred that the Welsh enjoyed carnal pleasure with sheep, and there's plenty of those about, then I personally find this boring (I haven't heard a new one since I was a kid) and mildly offensive, because it infers that Welsh people conduct illegal, unsavoury, sexual acts with sheep. But in the UK people get away with such comments and crap jokes all the time, even on TV, even famous so called “personalities”. But heaven forbid the joke was based on so called ethnic minorities. Then the PC brigagde would be hanging banners from the purps arses.

There's a disparity here, and it really gets up my nose.

[James Deuce]

Yes it is, BUT does that mean we shouldn't be concerned if we offend people or not.

For me it's about respect for people as individuals and not making assumptions based on ethicity, gender or age.
So my unssucessful application to become a Communications Advisor for the Women's Affairs Bureau wasn't influenced in any way by me being a "white, middle class, middle aged, bald, straight as an arrow male then"?

That phrase is a direct quote from a panel member at the second interview. The PC thing, and the sexism thing does swing both ways. The only difference is that there is no way an employment court would touch a complaint from me with a barge pole.

Mind you, I've been rejected from so many applications for jobs, bands, plays, TV shows, etc, that I just go, "Meh", and continue on. Maybe more people need to be personally responsible, instead of worrying about how fair life is for other people.

[Ms Piggy]

So my unssucessful application to become a Communications Advisor for the Women's Affairs Bureau wasn't influenced in any way by me being a "white, middle class, middle aged, bald, straight as an arrow male then"?
I dunno sorry.


That phrase is a direct quote from a panel member at the second interview. The PC thing, and the sexism thing does swing both ways. The only difference is that there is no way an employment court would touch a complaint from me with a barge pole.

Yup I totally agree with ya. I'd give you a job mate. :yes:

[Ms Piggy]

There's a disparity here, and it really gets up my nose.
Where's the disparity? You lost me sorry (or it could be that I've had too many coffees).



Merely referring to someone ethnicity in a joke and generalising, arguably in a positive light, shouldn't, in my mind at least, be deemed offensive.
Oh and how can making fun of someone because of their ethnicity be positive?

[Blakamin]

So my unssucessful application to become a Communications Advisor for the Women's Affairs Bureau wasn't influenced in any way by me being a "white, middle class, middle aged, bald, straight as an arrow male then"?


if they pulled that on ya in Oz, the labour department would have 'em strung, drawn and quartered for a comment like that! they cant descriminate about anything when it comes to employment...
I had a boss who told me he wouldn't hire me coz of tattoos... spraypainting position, rang and enquired and they wanted to slaughter the bloke... didn't tell them anything coz I'm not that way inclined, but coulda fucked him right up!
I just told the guy he was a stupid c*nt and with an attitude like that he could lick my hairy bean-bag.....

[Storm]

You've got quite an elegant turn of phrase at times BK :rockon:

[Blakamin]

You've got quite an elegant turn of phrase at times BK :rockon:
why, thank you! :lol:

[Biff]

The disparity in the example is that it's deemed ok (and legal) to infer that an entire nation enjoys sex with sheep (an illegal act), while it would be illegal to tell the joke (in the UK at least) and offensive if the nation at the butt end of the joke were deemed a "minority" in that they originated from overseas. By this I mean from nations other than Europe, Russia, the US, Oz & NZ at least. I guess because we "whities" are all deemed as the same I guess and don't need protecting against potentially offensive jokes, even if they do undermine, take issue, make fun of our religion, skin tone, ethnicity etc

Does this make sense?



Oh and how can making fun of someone because of their ethnicity be positive?

"Making fun" - well it's a joke so I guess you've got me there, but the punch line is hardly condescending (unless you're an Asian football fan I guess), but generalises that Asian's are either shop owners or doctors. Both worthy professions.

A case in point though, my Pakistani friend (an Asian) found it amusing, not insulting and generalising in a somewhat positive sense. But you (I guess) are a little concerned about the fact that the jokes may have a negative tone to them, yet you're white. Whose to say what whether this joke is offensive of not, only Asian's I guess.

I wouldn't say these jokes in public just in case I did offend someone. That is unless we were discussing race or general PC related issues as we are here.

I've got another example of a joke in a similar vein - a bit deeper and one which may offend Arab's. Yet it was told, on national TV, by an Arab (Iraqi) as an example of humour which white's though too offensive to repeat, yet Arab's (ok so I guess he generalised) found amusing if not somewhat
unsettling.

[Jamezo]

reminds me of that little scene in Family Guy I saw once: peter being lectured by a black guy "hey man, that is OUR word."

hi-larious!

[Jamezo]

it's obvious that this woman has little idea what she is talking about, in a short reading session I easily found many roffle-inducing innacuracies.


Political Correctness is, in fact, a dangerous ideology which originated in the 1920s in the Soviet Union ... The official rationale was that they wanted to avoid offending people. They did this not only by restricting the use of offensive terms, but also by organising supporters to viciously attack anyone who ignored the rules. As a result, non-conformists were intimidated with hate labels: racist, sexist, bigots, rednecks or something equally offensive.

let me get this straight, the communists invented political correctness to avoid offending people? they would brand their enemies as rascists to intimidate them? BULL SHIT! the communists would label you an enemy of The Party, have a mock trial, then shoot you in the back of the head. they couldn't give a flying fuck about offending people.



One of the results of this onslaught is a national loss of humour: we can no longer make jokes about blondes or baldies, race or religion – and even tall stories about “the Englishman, Irishman and the Scotsman” are now frowned upon. It is doubtful whether a Billy T James-type series would be acceptable to programme makers these days, and a Kiwi version of “The Kumars at Number 42” almost certainly wouldn’t get off the ground.

two words.

BRO.

TOWN.

it's safe to say she can cram her pseudo-intelligent ramblings up her arse. I've read enough conservative lies on that site to last me 10 lifetimes.

[Ms Piggy]

The disparity in the example is that it's deemed ok (and legal) to infer that an entire nation enjoys sex with sheep (an illegal act), while it would be illegal to tell the joke (in the UK at least) and offensive if the nation at the butt end of the joke were deemed a "minority" in that they originated from overseas. By this I mean from nations other than Europe, Russia, the US, Oz & NZ at least. I guess because we "whities" are all deemed as the same I guess and don't need protecting against potentially offensive jokes, even if they do undermine, take issue, make fun of our religion, skin tone, ethnicity etc

Does this make sense?
Legal???

Yes you do need protection like anyone who is being victimised or insulted or threatened due to their ethnicity, gender or age.


"Making fun" - well it's a joke so I guess you've got me there, but the punch line is hardly condescending (unless you're an Asian football fan I guess), but generalises that Asian's are either shop owners or doctors. Both worthy professions.

A case in point though, my Pakistani friend (an Asian) found it amusing, not insulting and generalising in a somewhat positive sense. But you (I guess) are a little concerned about the fact that the jokes may have a negative tone to them, yet you're white. Whose to say what whether this joke is offensive of not, only Asian's I guess.

I wouldn't say these jokes in public just in case I did offend someone. That is unless we were discussing race or general PC related issues as we are here.

I've got another example of a joke in a similar vein - a bit deeper and one which may offend Arab's. Yet it was told, on national TV, by an Arab (Iraqi) as an example of humour which white's though too offensive to repeat, yet Arab's (ok so I guess he generalised) found amusing if not somewhat
unsettling.
Ok these are very good points. Yes I'm white and very proud of my Scottish heritage. I understand what you're saying but, I guess for me it's about making sure that I don't offend others and treat them the way I want to be treated. I can tell you that I would get pretty sick of being the brunt of jokes all the time but, then maybe thats just me.

At the end of the day I don't think anything is black and white or has a simple.

[Hitcher]

At the end of the day I don't think anything is black and white or has a simple.
Bloody go on holiday!

[Riff Raff]

I have a problem.... the little icon that indicates that people can talk to me on MSN shows a male. Now I am clearly female. I demand that this icon is changed - I don't care how much it costs to do it. And because of severe emotional injury due to the distress this has caused, I want lots and lots of money and a Ducati. And then I will put in another claim in 6 months due to severe emotional trauma from being 'bought off', and I will need reparation in the amount of lots and lots and lots and lots of money and 2 Ducatis.... :shake:

[Ms Piggy]

Bloody go on holiday!
Not long now!! :niceone: 3 more sleeps!!

[Biff]

Legal???

Yes you're within the bounds of what is deemed legally acceptable by calling the Welsh sheep shaggers, the Scottish mean, Irish drunk, French smelly, Yanks egotisical war mongers etc etc, but if you say anything derogatory about a minority you're breaking the law.

I don't understand that one either.

[Biff]

I have a problem.... the little icon that indicates that people can talk to me on MSN shows a male. Now I am clearly female. I demand that this icon is changed - I don't care how much it costs to do it. And because of severe emotional injury due to the distress this has caused, I want lots and lots of money and a Ducati. And then I will put in another claim in 6 months due to severe emotional trauma from being 'bought off', and I will need reparation in the amount of lots and lots and lots and lots of money and 2 Ducatis.... :shake:

and it's yellow to boot. i'm not colour prejudice but ............

[Riff Raff]

and it's yellow to boot. i'm not colour prejudice but ............

:argh: Yes, yellow. Icky yucky ptooee, ptooee

[Ms Piggy]

I have a problem.... the little icon that indicates that people can talk to me on MSN shows a male. Now I am clearly female. I demand that this icon is changed - I don't care how much it costs to do it. And because of severe emotional injury due to the distress this has caused, I want lots and lots of money and a Ducati. And then I will put in another claim in 6 months due to severe emotional trauma from being 'bought off', and I will need reparation in the amount of lots and lots and lots and lots of money and 2 Ducatis.... :shake:
Maybe you could get a gender reassignment ;)

[toads]

would you care to elucidate on nature of this 'PC agenda', that you wish to 'abolish'?

heck, that ACT woman was foaming at the mouth trying to suggest how the godless liberals were attempting to sway the political discourse by subverting the language itself (only she was too stupid to put it as elegantly as I did, perhaps she was appealing to the intelligence of her constituents?)

it is my sincere wish that Labour cut a lot of the PC rigmarole, of which I believe the pendulum has swung a little too far. however it is incredibly intellectually dishonest to try and imply some hidden socialist agenda, she is obviously trying to play on the average punters ideals of 'common sense', of which the policies she stands for have little. indeed that sums up right wing politics rather well (esp. the USA), where spin doctors in think tanks dream up ways of making the average constituent furious at an artificially created sense of moral erosion and 'common sense', in order to gain power and enact policies which are in direct opposition to the comman man which was manipulated into voting them into power.

that's my political post for the week.

I am generalising here, but political correctness is usually a smokescreen for agendas that breakdown societies fabric, such as divisive legislation, social engineering etc, we are all being influenced by the media whether we like it or not, have we all been hideously damaged by getting a smack on the bum when we stepped out of line for example as children?. Do we really believe that violence breeds violence?, how many victims of nazi germany turned violent for example, even the fact you ask me to clarify what I posted leads me to think you are being deliberately antagonistic, in order to show me up as being old fashioned or whatever. I am not alone in my views, and they are based on my experiences to date.

[Rainbow Wizard]

it's obvious that this woman has little idea what she is talking about....I've read enough conservative lies on that site to last me 10 lifetimes.

I tend to agree with you Jamezo, looked to me to be too "sweeping generalisation" to be really factual. But...PC HAS gone too far. Lets beat it back into submission shall we? A little spice for the (mis)steaks of blatant capitalism.

[Redstar]

I work in the Distribution / transport industry in days gone by transport companies gave out calenders of scantily dressed ladies ( I like that word scantily) hope I spelt it right? have you noticed how all the nice words like that have such a nice feel? like bum and boobs such warm words and well rounded whereas posteria and mamorys dont feel the same or do they? I digess :shake: anyway nowerdays we get calenders with pictures of Trucks! big Mac trucks with some hairy driver at the wheel. they are so popular with the storeman ( sorry storespersons) and so we are forced to be closet perverts when really we want to be real perverts in a tasteful way.
In some cultures women have to cover up like in Iran they will be hung for showing any bear flesh. and who imposes those rules? men! and then they get all excited it they see an ankle? its all relative PC stupidity.
In the workplace women now dictate the rules on whats acceptable and whats not and men are supressed into the correctness of it all. I am a liberal and I think the minority is now calling the shots. I do however think that children need to be protected and so we rule that no minors are allowed in the warehouse and we have no women currently but welcome them they just don't want to be storemen ( storespersons) and them that do from time to time like to have pictures or naked firemen (firepersons) its all to silly for words.

[mikey]

i think the only women who complain about sexist type things are the ugly ones........

[campbellluke]

Problem is not just political correctness.

Problem is that no-one gives a fuck about online petitions =\

[Blakamin]

I work in the Distribution / transport industry in days gone by transport companies gave out calenders of scantily dressed ladies
Pirelli!!!!!!!!
the best calendar ever made!!!


everyone here would love the history channel at the moment... being Australia Day, they're having Barry Humphries view of the '60s (50s were earlier)
they just had "housewife of the year" and then they were complaining about immigrants at the pub not speaking australian!!!!!

[Redstar]

[QUOTE=Blakamin]Pirelli!!!!!!!!
the best calendar ever made!!!


thats all well and dandy if your into rubber!

[Slim]

Pirelli!!!!!!!!
the best calendar ever made!!!
thats all well and dandy if you're into rubber!
If you're "into" strange women, then you should certainly be "into" rubber. ;) :lol:

[Blakamin]

thats all well and dandy if your into rubber!
the pirelli calendar never used to have much to do with rubber!!!!

[duckman]

i think the only women who complain about sexist type things are the ugly ones........

In the context of this tread .... Thats priceless !!

Well done sir - One positive tick for you.... :2thumbsup

[Daisy Duke]

I've just noticed something very non PC about this site, apparently I'm a scooter boy? But I'm a chick. I'm writing a letter to the government straight away!

[Posh Tourer :P]

The more you complain about it, the quicker it will disappear! :yes:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I've just noticed something very non PC about this site, apparently I'm a scooter boy? But I'm a chick. I'm writing a letter to the government straight away!
Why the Government for FS :unsure: Do you want a law to protect you from such things :unsure: Can't you just post a shit load of messages and get rid of it yourself? :2thumbsup See that's exactly what this thread has been about. Stuff the Government :ar15: and do it yourself..... :banana:
By the way, :wavey: welcome to the mad house :yes: :yes: :yes:

[simo]

This thread is hilarious....However, 788 reads & 99 replies I think that this issue is so got under the skin of all NZérs, it maybe time to send PC back to the the countries it came from, along with the fascists we currently enjoy holding the Treasury benchs.

Just throw the bastards out in this year's election, send Helen back to her ivory tower, send the union organisers back to work, and leave us alone, we can manage without these pricks.

I will need a couple of Stella's after this post, it's always the good things in life that prevail, since 1366.......

[Rainbow Wizard]

I'm not politically correct. I am no racist and feel highly offended at the
suggestion that I might exhibit racism by allowing children to use
playdough or make potato stamps. It isn't as if they're carving swastika stamps in the potatoes. This article in the Herald reveals political correctness taken to the verge of lunacy:

Kids, put down that playdough ... it's culturally offensive

13.02.05
By AMANDA SPRATT

Playdough, potato stamps and the use of other food for art and play has
been banned by some kindergartens because it is considered offensive to
Maori and other cultures.

Pre-school teachers say the ban is out of respect to Maori beliefs that
food should be respected for its nutritional qualities and not used "as a
plaything".

And with New Zealand's growing immigrant population, kindergartens were
also finding some families from poor countries found it "repulsive" to
waste food on children's play activities.

Gone are macaroni collages and potato stamps from kindergartens around the
country. Some have even said no to playdough made from flour and water.

This comes just weeks after a Wellington City Council holiday programme
co-ordinator was told not to use real eggs for egg and spoon races, partly
because it offended "some cultures".

Kindergarten teachers gave the Herald On Sunday various reasons for banning
food in play. One teacher said it was because many families struggled to
put food on the table, let alone waste it on a collage. Another said it was
to "honour the Treaty of Waitangi".

Auckland Kindergarten Association professional services manager Jean Elmer
said most centres had stopped using pasta and potatoes years ago,
substituting natural resources like fallen leaves and eggshells.

Maori academic Ranganui Walker said: "Food demands a certain respect. I
never thought about it when I was young but I guess these days cultural
things are coming to the fore as Maori culture asserts itself."

However, Dr Malcolm Brown, of AUT's social sciences department, said he was
"hard-pressed" to come up with a culture that would have a problem with
using food in play.

Auckland Somali Community Association chairman Mahad Warsame said a lot of
people were "dying for food", and Muslims found it immoral to use food in
ways other than eating it.

"But we don't want to say to New Zealanders, you can't do this."

[scumdog]

Naked arse!! What a crock of shit!! The old "tail wagging the dog"!! Where else in the world can the minorities call the shots like this?

It REALLY pisses me off!! argh (think 'calm blue waters, calm blue waters......)


I was going to tell this yarn about this faggot nigger blind cripple and his midget chink deaf mongol female blonde friend with pimples and halitosis and what they did to fat honky slappers with speech impediments but I guess the P.C. crowd might not see the funny side of the punch-line.....

[Waylander]

And I thought political correctness had gottne bad in the states.

[What?]

Where else in the world can the minorities call the shots like this?
England.



I was going to tell this yarn about this faggot nigger blind cripple and his midget chink deaf mongol female blonde friend with pimples and halitosis and what they did to fat honky slappers with speech impediments but I guess the P.C. crowd might not see the funny side of the punch-line.....

Thanks for brightening up the start to my week, SD. Fuggin near choked on my coffee!!

[Biff]

That story is absoforkinglutely ridiculous. You all need to fight this ridiculous attitude, you're heading the same way the UK did, and that aint good.

Granted if we lived in a country where there was a shortage of food I could see this being a genuine issue. As for the Maori thing - shit, get a grip. That's just plain pathetic. Just because one culture doesn't want to do something that does not mean that they have a god given right to dictate to another culture what is acceptable.

[James Deuce]

That story is absoforkinglutely ridiculous. You all need to fight this ridiculous attitude, you're heading the same way the UK did, and that aint good.

Granted if we lived in a country where there was a shortage of food I could see this being a genuine issue. As for the Maori thing - shit, get a grip. That's just plain pathetic. Just because one culture doesn't want to do something that does not mean that they have a god given right to dictate to another culture what is acceptable.

Bear in mind that we are in the early stages of hashing out a unified post-colonial/Maori culture. It is bound to look ridiculous to outsiders, and everybody who fears change to one extent or another (me included). At least we are trying and not assuming that the Colonial Imperialist's culture is the only culture worth having.

The next 200 years are going to be very interesting. Shame I can't stick around to watch it.

[Biff]

Bear in mind that we are in the early stages of hashing out a unified post-colonial/Maori culture. It is bound to look ridiculous to outsiders, and everybody who fears change to one extent or another (me included). At least we are trying and not assuming that the Colonial Imperialist's culture is the only culture worth having.

The next 200 years are going to be very interesting. Shame I can't stick around to watch it.

Oh Jim - why are you (mostly) so logical, level headed and full of common sense ? Did you do a special college/university course? :niceone:

[James Deuce]

Oh Jim - why are you (mostly) so logical, level headed and full of common sense ? Did you do a special college/university course? :niceone:
As we both know, I'm not ;). I can be the world's biggest F__kwit sometimes.

It's only since I started doing the M.Comms degree and really looking at other cultures that I opened my mind a little. I think that the propaganda surrounding the issue of "culture" is nearly as creative as the stuff Goebbels came up with.

[MSTRS]

I read some comment by Dr Pita Sharples re 'the culture is reasserting itself' Excuse me?? Like people have nothing to do with it. When will cannabilism reassert itself?

[vifferman]

As we both know, I'm not ;). I can be the world's biggest F__kwit sometimes.
I thought that was my role....:spudwhat:

Quote:
Maori academic Ranganui Walker said: "Food demands a certain respect. I
never thought about it when I was young but I guess these days cultural
things are coming to the fore as Maori culture asserts itself."

I must have a really warped mind. :wacko:

When I read this, the first thing that sprung to mind was a Cartman-like vegetable demanding, "Respect my authoratah!!" :laugh:

[James Deuce]

I read some comment by Dr Pita Sharples re 'the culture is reasserting itself' Excuse me?? Like people have nothing to do with it. When will cannabilism reassert itself?
I know what you mean.

Though I blame the death of the Rhetoric tradition partly. Maori orators are really good at rhetoric, but we've (Post-Modern Western cultures) forgotten how to analyse and appreciate rhetoric, and we forget that all rhetoric is contextual.

Pita Sharples is actually a nice guy, but his rhetoric is threatening to the established NZ culture.

[MSTRS]

Oooops - not Pita - was Ranginui.(thanks Vifferman). My sentiment stands tho

[idb]

!!!Land Rights for Gay Whales!!!

Did anyone see the article in Sunday's paper about the German homosexual penguins?
Apparently the zoo staff noticed that some of the boy penguins were only interested in other boy penguins and from what I can understand wanted to confirm it somehow through, I dunno, observation or experiments or something.
Anyway, there has been a big hue and cry from the local homosexual community because they suspect that these nasty oppressive folk are trying to impose their own values on the penguins by converting them back to heterosexuality.

Sigh
Some people just don't help themselves do they? :spudwhat:

[mangell6]

LONG LIVE THE INVADERS and MIGRANTS

will now go and learn mandarin . . . .

[Biff]

Apparently the zoo staff noticed that some of the boy penguins were only interested in other boy penguins and from what I can understand wanted to confirm it somehow through, I dunno, observation or experiments or something.


They'll probably show them a photo of Shaun Connery in a dinner jacket.
Yesh Mish Funny Fanny, very shecshy. Alledgedly.

[Storm]

Plese please please please tell the rest of the joke Mr Scumdog. Put it another thread with a title warning off the PC inclined folk

[simo]

PC - it's a modus operandus that is used by minorities to take the moral, political & judicial high ground. They (the PC Lot) feed the media in this country with opinion and speculation dressed up as fact. Of course the media devour this rubbish because they know it sells well. People will view/buy access to this stuff to just to confirm that there are people/organisations sillier than they are.

Take the WCC (Waitakere City Council), if you walked into the main foyer with a tree branch snapped it in half, all the staff would need trauma counselling, and a week off work to recover.

Now the media would report that as destruction of a natural habitat, wanton destruction of a living organism, and it would be reported in the Western Leader as reckless vandalism causing endangerment to others. You would be charged with willful damage, and given community work planting trees.

By making this visible to the public, and the display of the damage etc etc, makes this saleable as a deterrent to others. Although we thinks it's bloody stupid, it will sell newspapers, because we like to see/hear of other misfortunate one's who a) are now an example for the PC lots cause, its sold some advertising space, and the moral high ground is still intact for the PC's lot.

Think about it, why does the play/food issue make the headlines, because it is ridiculous, that's why they print and publish it, this will get your attention, and sell advertising.

In summary it’s protecting you from yourself that’s the engine in the socialist vehicle. It drives the mechanism that churns out all the idiotic notions like the “play dough saga”, and the starting block toilets at Auckland University (where else??) and this empowers the legislative junkies and drives the media wheels into action.

Colin James’s editorial from the NZ Herald 15/2/2005 clarifies this exactly:

"It says we now have the nanny state mentality bad. We believe we are entitled to a perfectly safe and perfectly restorative society. No child shall graze its knee in a public playground. No operation in a hospital shall go wrong.

No amount of bad eating and drinking shall deny us excellent health and doctors shall fix us up for free if we get a twinge. If we go in a bike race and forget we have been told to abide by the road code and we cross the centre line, we must not die. The state should see to it. And if not the state, the courts.

The state, as a result, is expected to become ever more vigilant and protective and, as a consequence, ever more intrusive.

And, indeed, the state is doing that. Hence the smoking ban. We cannot look out for ourselves and stay out of smoky places. The smoke must be removed so that we cannot be in a smoky place.

But the more intrusive the state is in the name of absolute safety, the more it upsets the people it intrudes on.

That is called by some "political correctness". It is one of the Government's vulnerabilities this election year. In a poll I had done last year 59 per cent thought the Government was too politically correct.

The Labour Party once was rooted in people who worked for wages and joined unions to battle the bosses. During the 1970s rights-seeking interest groups, notably women, gays and Maori, supplanted unionists as influences in the party.

Labour's manifestos since have reflected that. Its programme in office since 1999 has reflected it"

Although Colin James has been a key scribe for Labour since whenever, he has done himself no favours by this expose. The sentiment he refers to in the article is gathering momentum, and could be a factor in the steady climb of National’s poll ratings.

[Clockwork]

Mate, at their polling they ain't gonna be a problem. I suggest you pull your head out of the instant dismissal sand because I suspect you could make more of a mark by being proactive, regardless of any perceived political associations. I think party politics is crap anyway, they should all be independents (provided their intelligent & educated).

I used to think along these lines too. Then, when I didn't vote in the local elections and I asked myself why, I realised its because I didn't have clue what any of them stood for and in truth I couldn't be arsed finding out.

I don't suppose a National Election of independants would be any different.... and without parties, who would form the policies?
:spudwhat:

[mangell6]

All independants would have to a)work together finding agreement or b)chaos - as in argue amongst themselves acheiving nothing.

By the way did you kow that the 'opposition' parties are currently picking on a person in parliament who has an impediment, at least that is what the PM told the media. I guess she wants to have a cross section of society with her to appease everyone. Very PC :-/

[SPman]

I was going to tell this yarn about this faggot nigger blind cripple and his midget chink deaf mongol female blonde friend with pimples and halitosis and what they did to fat honky slappers with speech impediments ....

Yes please..and could you follow it up with the one about the fat lesbian samoan solo mother with the wooden leg.....

[hXc]

PC FREE ZONE AROUND ME

Political correctness is a load of craptola. I say and do what i feel like and no rich guy in his suit can tell me "no that's wrong" and give me a whack on the back of the hand. I have no respect for anyone who belives in political correctness and never will.

PC FREE REPRESENT

[idb]

PC - it's a modus operandus that is used by minorities to take the moral, political & judicial high ground. They (the PC Lot) feed the media in this country with opinion and speculation dressed up as fact. Of course the media devour this rubbish because they know it sells well. People will view/buy access to this stuff to just to confirm that there are people/organisations sillier than they are.

Take the WCC (Waitakere City Council), if you walked into the main foyer with a tree branch snapped it in half, all the staff would need trauma counselling, and a week off work to recover.

Now the media would report that as destruction of a natural habitat, wanton destruction of a living organism, and it would be reported in the Western Leader as reckless vandalism causing endangerment to others. You would be charged with willful damage, and given community work planting trees.

By making this visible to the public, and the display of the damage etc etc, makes this saleable as a deterrent to others. Although we thinks it's bloody stupid, it will sell newspapers, because we like to see/hear of other misfortunate one's who a) are now an example for the PC lots cause, its sold some advertising space, and the moral high ground is still intact for the PC's lot.

Think about it, why does the play/food issue make the headlines, because it is ridiculous, that's why they print and publish it, this will get your attention, and sell advertising.

In summary it’s protecting you from yourself that’s the engine in the socialist vehicle. It drives the mechanism that churns out all the idiotic notions like the “play dough saga”, and the starting block toilets at Auckland University (where else??) and this empowers the legislative junkies and drives the media wheels into action.

Colin James’s editorial from the NZ Herald 15/2/2005 clarifies this exactly:

"It says we now have the nanny state mentality bad. We believe we are entitled to a perfectly safe and perfectly restorative society. No child shall graze its knee in a public playground. No operation in a hospital shall go wrong.

No amount of bad eating and drinking shall deny us excellent health and doctors shall fix us up for free if we get a twinge. If we go in a bike race and forget we have been told to abide by the road code and we cross the centre line, we must not die. The state should see to it. And if not the state, the courts.

The state, as a result, is expected to become ever more vigilant and protective and, as a consequence, ever more intrusive.

And, indeed, the state is doing that. Hence the smoking ban. We cannot look out for ourselves and stay out of smoky places. The smoke must be removed so that we cannot be in a smoky place.

But the more intrusive the state is in the name of absolute safety, the more it upsets the people it intrudes on.

That is called by some "political correctness". It is one of the Government's vulnerabilities this election year. In a poll I had done last year 59 per cent thought the Government was too politically correct.

The Labour Party once was rooted in people who worked for wages and joined unions to battle the bosses. During the 1970s rights-seeking interest groups, notably women, gays and Maori, supplanted unionists as influences in the party.

Labour's manifestos since have reflected that. Its programme in office since 1999 has reflected it"

Although Colin James has been a key scribe for Labour since whenever, he has done himself no favours by this expose. The sentiment he refers to in the article is gathering momentum, and could be a factor in the steady climb of National’s poll ratings.


Good golly

[scumdog]

PC FREE ZONE AROUND ME

Political correctness is a load of craptola. I say and do what i feel like and no rich guy in his suit can tell me "no that's wrong" and give me a whack on the back of the hand. I have no respect for anyone who belives in political correctness and never will.

PC FREE REPRESENT

Damn tootin' right!!
p.s is just a way for the weak minority to inflict their will on the strong majority, the "tail wagging the dog" so to speak.

If you are a weak minority then YOU ARE A WEAK MINORITY and no amount of lilly-livered p.c. pollyannna crap is ever going to change that.

It's a passing fad. (I hope)