For those of you going for an exemption..

[supraman_nz]

Well I used KB as a great resoruce while applying for my exemption from the 250cc rule on my 6R - Reason being too tall (6'5"). So i figured i would give my experience.

Will give a run through for those of who are thinking about going for it.

Fill out a form in my local AA stating my case and payed my $22.

About 10 days later got a letter saying that they need more info to complete my application
- what bike i intended to ride (including licence plate) Even though i said in my intial letter i was unsure of what bike to get as i was unable to test ride any, So i guess this is a generic letter.
- Photos of me on a 250cc bike and on a bike thats greater than 250cc. (doesnt say your own bike so go into a shop and hop on the smallest 250 you can find)
- Riding experience.
- medical certificate stating my height and weight

Also they said that you wont get accepted on a bike that isnt on the list ( they didnt even supply a list) so I applyed for an exemption on a ER6n.

That brings us to today.
Got a letter saying that i was delcinded because the bike wasnt on the list and the bikes on the list can accomodate taller people so tough shit.

So looks like for people looking to get an exemption will only get it if they go for a bike from that list (if you can manage to even find one)

There is a thread somewhere on here with the bike list attatched to if for anyone wanting to look at it.

Lucky i didnt go ahead and buy a bike coz i would be stuck now... but think i might just go ahead anyway...

[Badjelly]

Here's a recent thread on this subject:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=80648
A copy of "the list" was posted on it here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=103907&d=1219807262

The list in question appears to be a list of bikes that complies with the 150 kW/tonne limit in the new licensing scheme described here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70332

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00490.htm
The new licensing scheme hasn't come into force yet, and it may be years away, but it seems that it's being used as a basis for decisions about exemptions.

Doubtless bikes will be added to the list from time to time. Can anyone give a link for the current, authoritative version of the list?

Should there be a sticky thread about this somewhere?

[Big Dave]

the bikes on the list can accomodate taller people so tough shit.

Apartheight!

We have been discriminated against.

[Badjelly]

Also they said that you won't get accepted on a bike that isn't on the list (they didn't even supply a list)...
Pretty poor, isn't it? They've effectively changed the rules, they didn't bother to tell anyone in advance and even now, they're not going out of their way to tell you what the new rules are.

[skidMark]

mustve been a big rule change they let my mate 6 foot 4 110kg have any 400-600cc bike, he bought a gixxer 600...

died...

hmmm perhaps thats why they changed it.

too many new riders getting killed due to exemptions . :(

[CookMySock]

Got a letter saying that i was delcinded because the bike wasnt on the list and the bikes on the list can accomodate taller people so tough shit.I think they might use an "excuse" like that, when the real reason is something different. Obviously I don't KNOW this - its just a hunch.


So looks like for people looking to get an exemption will only get it if they go for a bike from that list (if you can manage to even find one)I don't think that is reason for others to give up, UNLESS they really have changed the rules - I don't know that for sure either.


Lucky i didnt go ahead and buy a bike coz i would be stuck now...I think that is one of the things you have to actually do to get this exemption. With my exemption this was the case. They even called me up and wanted a pic of my and the bike emailed to them RIGHT NOW (fucked if I know why - they already had lots) probably because they wanted to see if I had the bike in my posession, which I did.



but think i might just go ahead anyway...Yeah thats what I would do. Some members here will scream blue murder but fuck them - just go do it and keep quiet. You will have to dodge the fuzz for a while, but hey! thats half of the fun! Better get you a radar detector too.. ;)

I just applied for a GDLS exemption to sit my full (I just passed my restricted.) I have done about 16,000km and I'm an old cunt, and a commercial driver, so I expect they will give it to me. We shall see.

Steve

[scorry]

wow there is some pretty cool bikes on the list still like ktm 660, husky 450smr, aprillia svx 550 come on seriously lol on a learners :niceone:

[slimjim]

:blank:.......:rolleyes:..gee's dude.. thought bike shop's would know the "list" by now.......:sleep:

[mazz1972]

Reason being too tall (6'5").

I applyed for an exemption on a ER6n.

That brings us to today.
Got a letter saying that i was delcinded because the bike wasnt on the list and the bikes on the list can accomodate taller people so tough shit.


Not altogether surprising the ER6N isn't on the list - it's got a low seat height at 785. An acquaintance of mine had an ER6N which suited her height perfectly - I'm 5ft4 and she's shorter than me.

I would guess the main reason for applying for a cc rating exemption is because of height so the bike probably doesn't stack up with the agrument.

[Dargor]

Thanks for the heads up.

Any recomendations for small 250's that can be found in shops.

[AllanB]

Man there is some old bikes on that list!!!!!

Most of those old Suzukis will be dead or well crashed by now :motu::motu::nya:

Lots of lovely Hondas. :clap:

There is no reason tall people cannot ride 250's - just Pamela Anderson the seat and pop down to your local Harley dealer for some 30 inch apehangers.

[Tank]

I think that is one of the things you have to actually do to get this exemption. With my exemption this was the case. They even called me up and wanted a pic of my and the bike emailed to them RIGHT NOW (fucked if I know why - they already had lots) probably because they wanted to see if I had the bike in my posession, which I did.

No its not - as per usual Mr Bastard is giving Dangerous advise.

You DO NOT need to own the bike. Once they have agreed that you should have an exemption they will even give you a 'free pass' (in my case for up-to 800cc) to test ride as many bikes as you like. (normally valid for one or two days only) - they were even so kind to fax the dealers a copy when I left it at home duh!

Then once you have found one you like - tell them the rego number and they will send you your paperwork for that bike.

Buying the bike before you get the exemption is asking for disappointment - don't do it.




Yeah thats what I would do. Some members here will scream blue murder but fuck them - just go do it and keep quiet. You will have to dodge the fuzz for a while, but hey! thats half of the fun! Better get you a radar detector too.. ;)


You note that DB says Yeah! thats what I would do - but he didnt.

What he is recommending is that you ride a bike that you are unlicenced for, and run the risk of being uninsured in - risking a HUGE $$$$ impact should you happen to hit a BMW or the like.

Unless you can afford to suck up that kind of financial penalty - dont do it - get a bike that fits the bill and do your time.

Riding legal will be all that much sweeter when it comes (as opposed to having to swallow the bitter bill of being in debt for years paying off an Insurance company).

DB - one day Ill piss myself laughing if some kid ends up damaging your bike (and cannot afford to pay) and is uninsured because of your advise.

You would be the first to cry and moan - So unless you think that would be OK - please stop recommending it to new / young riders - its irresponsible - and as a old cunt (your words) you should know better.

[CookMySock]

DB - one day Ill piss myself laughing if some kid ends up damaging your bike (and cannot afford to pay) and is uninsured because of your advise.Yeah you would too, wouldn't you - thats very nasty of you. If something of yours was damaged I wouldn't take such glee in it.

Why take every possible opportunity to belittle someone because they have a different opinion to you? KB is for everyones' opinions, not just ones compatible with yours.

Steve

[supraman_nz]

Well i got the list they sent me was the same as the one was listed on here. They dont seem to be too keen on giving it out, i wasnt given one until my application was declined.

As for the ER6N not being alright because of its low seat height I took the photos on it and it is suitable for my height comapred to a cramped 250.

I cant remember who it was here but he applied for the very simialr ER6F and got declined for the same thing, so this isnt an isolated case.

A bit of a heads up before this would of been nice from LTNZ, its pretty average performance by them. I know some one who was granted an exemption for an R1 on their learners earlier this year and now i get told no on a 650cc.. doesnt seem right

[JMemonic]

Thanks for the thread, am following with these with interest as my partner is looking, but not yet decided to take up riding.

Sounds like there is defiantly an approved list, it would seem dealers have not been informed either, one I know has actually taken to ringing the MTA, and LTNZ, to enquire and been told that this does not exist yet.

[Bullitt]

As for the ER6N not being alright because of its low seat height I took the photos on it and it is suitable for my height comapred to a cramped 250.


Not all 250s are the same size. There are some bigger ones such as the Hyosung GT250R and probably others. Or were you mainly after the bigger ccs as a shortcut?

[supraman_nz]

Not all 250s are the same size. There are some bigger ones such as the Hyosung GT250R and probably others. Or were you mainly after the bigger ccs as a shortcut?

Bullitt your right not all 250ccs are the same size. I actually used to own a Hyosung GT250r and i had to have the pegs lop sided to actually use the bike properly (the back brake pedal is a really odd height). Having these different heights really through my balance off (but i managed 2 put up with it for 6 or so months).


The dealers are out of the loop on this one. I was asked to fax the list to the dealer i get my bikes from as they had never heard about this before.

Sounds like LTNZ have been a bit sneaky.

[Jerry74]

Why not just do an approved course and cut restricted to 3 months then by a big cc bike

[Tank]

Yeah you would too, wouldn't you - thats very nasty of you. If something of yours was damaged I wouldn't take such glee in it.

Why take every possible opportunity to belittle someone because they have a different opinion to you? KB is for everyones' opinions, not just ones compatible with yours.

Steve

The difference being - I think riding uninsured is a BAD idea because you can end up damaging peoples stuff and not be in a position to pay. I tell people this. I can see no harm in this at all.

You on the other hand are of the opinion that its OK and have suggested it to several noobs.

Its not that I wish anyones stuff to get damaged - what I was pointing out that should you end up being on the receiving end of your own advise you would be unhappy. And that mr DB is what I would find funny.

[supraman_nz]

Why not just do an approved course and cut restricted to 3 months then by a big cc bike

Iv never heard of these courses, this could be a better way to go.
More details?

[CookMySock]

The difference being - I think riding uninsured is a BAD idea because you can end up damaging peoples stuff and not be in a position to pay. I tell people this. I can see no harm in this at all.Neither do I. Tell everyone your opinion - I tell everyone mine. Go for it - its a free Internet. Just why the fuck backhand some poor cunt who doesn't share your line of thinking ? Do you see this ? :rolleyes: Stop it.

Steve

[Jerry74]

Defensive driving will cut restricted to 3 months

[mazz1972]

As for the ER6N not being alright because of its low seat height I took the photos on it and it is suitable for my height comapred to a cramped 250.

Are you saying there is no 250 that would suit you, yet a really low 650 does? Have you looked at bikes between 250-650cc??


I cant remember who it was here but he applied for the very simialr ER6F and got declined for the same thing, so this isnt an isolated case.

A bit of a heads up before this would of been nice from LTNZ, its pretty average performance by them. I know some one who was granted an exemption for an R1 on their learners earlier this year and now i get told no on a 650cc.. doesnt seem right.

Probably all depends on who handles your application.

Re the courses to reduce restricted time - from LTSA website:

There are two approved advanced driving skills courses:
- Street Talk http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/licensing/car/street-talk.html
- Defensive Driving. http://www.aa.co.nz/motoring/licensingandtraining/ddc/Pages/default.aspx
If you're under 25, you should remember that to get a time reduction you need to have held your restricted licence for at least six months before you do the course.

You can also get information about courses and course providers by:
- calling our driver licensing contact centre: 0800 822 422
- visiting a Land Transport New Zealand driver licensing agent
- looking in the Yellow pages.

[PirateJafa]

Why not just do an approved course and cut restricted to 3 months then by a big cc bike
Wrong.

Completing the defensive driving course will only cut the restricted to three months if you are over 25 years of age. And if you're over 25, it's only six months anyway.

If you're under 25 like me then you have to wait the eighteen months (or twelve months if you do the defensive driving course).

Seventeen more to go!

[Tank]

Neither do I. Tell everyone your opinion - I tell everyone mine. Go for it - its a free Internet. Just why the fuck backhand some poor cunt who doesn't share your line of thinking ? Do you see this ? :rolleyes: Stop it.

Steve


You keep sprouting shit and Ill keep backhanding.:baby:

[Slyer]

Neither do I. Tell everyone your opinion - I tell everyone mine. Go for it - its a free Internet. Just why the fuck backhand some poor cunt who doesn't share your line of thinking ? Do you see this ? :rolleyes: Stop it.

Steve
Why do you CONSTANTLY tell everyone that you are entitled to you opinion?
Nobody is suggesting that you aren't allowed an opinion we are suggesting that your suggestions are idiotic and potentially harmful.

[Ragingrob]

The er6n used to be acceptable but has been removed from the list in the last few months so you just missed out!

[CookMySock]

we are suggesting that your suggestions are idiotic and potentially harmful.Harmful to YOU? How?

If my suggestions aren't harmful to you, and what I do doesn't affect you, then why lambast ME for it?

I say what I think, and it doesnt affect you.

You say what you think, and it doesnt affect me.

Soo fuck off. :finger:

Steve

[Tank]

Harmful to YOU? How?

If my suggestions aren't harmful to you, and what I do doesn't affect you, then why lambast ME for it?

I say what I think, and it doesnt affect you.


OK - I will put this in little words so someone even as educational subnormal as you can understand it.

ready? OK here we go - and Ill even type it s-l-o-w for you

Your opinion is that riding uninsured is OK - this is harmful for others as when there is an accident the uninsured rider cannot pay for the damage - this has financial (thats a big word for money) impact on insurance premiums as well as the poor buggers who have been hit by said rider.

So your silly short sighted advise does affect others..

now take a deep breath, concentrate real hard (get a friend to help if necessary) and see if you can work it out.




You say what you think, and it doesnt affect me.

Soo fuck off. :finger:

Steve

Yeah - thats why you were voted site crybaby - because people disagreeing with you doesn't affect you.

You threatened / promised to fuck off in your first ever thread on KB - why not make good on it.

[PirateJafa]

Harmful to YOU? How?

If my suggestions aren't harmful to you, and what I do doesn't affect you, then why lambast ME for it?

Because when you, or a newbie rider who has listened to your advice crashes into him with no insurance, he'll be less than impressed.

Speaking of which, I should probably get some insurance.