Farkin pissed off, got done for speeding down a road I didn't even go down 2nite.

[sosman]

Well forks where to start!,So mad right now i really can't type for shit[lost licence/suspended & gotta go to court!]
Round 7.30pm I filled up at the shell on greville rd[northshore],left the station & went up to the lights at geville rd/eastcoast bays intersection,turn left onto eastcoast bays rd
& followed the road to the intersection of eastcoast rd/oteha valley & carlisle rd.I then turn right onto Carlisle rd & travelled bout 200m then rred & blue flashing lights come on[no siren] first
thing i do is look at my speedo & holyshit im doing xxkph in a 50 so i indicate & pull over & stop.
Cop gets out a says ive been riding dangerously from shell station grivelle rd & He says hes got me on camera at the gas station & i also did xxkph down Oaktree ave [which is a rd off eastcoast bays]
which i didnt even go down 2nite/2day.
I say you must be mistaken & he says i fit the desciption bla bla jacket & boots,he asks me if i was at greville rd shell & i said yes.
So He asks for my licence by then another cop car turns up,time passes by then i get issued a ticket for xxkph down Oaktree ave which i never did & suspened licence for 28 days & gotta go to court.
The cop was also on his own in the car so what proof would he have of anything but clockin me doin xxkph on carlisle rd when he flashed his lights at me.
Any help or advice would be really good right now! :(

[sAsLEX]

Lawyer up.

Ask for a copy of the video from the petrol station so you can have time stamped evidence of when you and maybe this other chap were there, also you bank records if you used eftpos would be nice.


Go into the station tomorrow and ask to speak to someone regards the ticket.


Vote National ?

[rainman]

Lawyer up.

Ask for a copy of the video from the petrol station so you can have time stamped evidence of when you and maybe this other chap were there, also you bank records if you used eftpos would be nice.


Go into the station tomorrow and ask to speak to someone regards the ticket.


Good advice.


Vote National ?

Shit advice.

[Swoop]

Nice to see the creative side of the public servant's in action occasionally.

Lawyer!

[NighthawkNZ]

Good advice.



Shit advice.

better than your advice...(or my advice for that matter)

[Gubb]

For God's sake, take all the Bush Lawyers' advice with a grain of salt.
They start filling the thread in 5, 4, 3, 2.....

[rainman]

better than your advice...(or my advice for that matter)

Didn't think I'd given any...

[Quailboy]

No legal experience whatsoever :baby:,

but maybe go down Oaktree Ave and get written/verbal evidence they did not hear/see a loud, high velocity bike on their road?

[JMemonic]

No legal experience whatsoever :baby:,

but maybe go down Oaktree Ave and get written/verbal evidence they did not hear/see a loud, high velocity bike on their road?

Actually that's nearly good advise, go see if there are any cameras in the area, company surveillance, traffic cams, even folks with web cams etc, then ask if you can get copies of the relevant times recordings.

The other suggestion that makes a lot of sense is get a lawyer.

Good luck, I have had similar way back and was able to prove that I had not travelled down a section of the street I was accused of with 20+ witnesses and a camera recording.

[Max Preload]

Lawyer up.

Ask for a copy of the video from the petrol station so you can have time stamped evidence of when you and maybe this other chap were there, also you bank records if you used eftpos would be nice.


Go into the station tomorrow and ask to speak to someone regards the ticket.

Good advice.


Vote National ?

Great advice.

[sAsLEX]

Good luck, I have had similar way back and was able to prove that I had not travelled down a section of the street I was accused of with 20+ witnesses and a camera recording.

Got to love our "justice" system.

Guilty until proven innocent.

[more_fasterer]

Sadly you're fucked for 28 days dude. If he's got you on video then he has to send it to you (along with all the other evidence at his disposal) when you write in stating you're not guilty and request the evidence be disclosed to you.

I've been in a similar position with the ATNR's favourite power-crazy oinker & am more than happy to go over it with ya. I may bring my bush though :P


P.S. Can I borrow the Gixxer? :Pokey:

[Ixion]

Surely not. After all, everybody knows that you can't get a speeding ticket unless you were speeding. They tell me so every time new draconian laws are proposed.

[MaxB]

You have got to think about what you want to do.

If you want to go the legal way be prepared to spend $$$ to clear your name. Take the advice of your lawyer. Don't rely what you see on here. You will need documentary evidence to show you were not the biker committing the offence. In court, your word versus a police officer is virtually worthless.

If you want to just take it, consider what you are actually charged with. If it is of the speeding type, the court penalty is something like 50 points, no ban and a big fine. Seeing as you might have got a 35 point/$350 ticket anyway you may consider that a win. If the cop sticks to the dangerous driving charge etc get yourself a lawyer, the penalties can be big.

In either case you will be back on the road in 28 days.

Unfortunately even if you are totally innocent you will still get fucked over by this incident because you will probably have your licence back by the time anything gets done.

[breakaway]

First thing I'd do is delete the speeds you have mentioned in your post. If you go to court, it is possible that a cop will print this thread out and hand it in (Happened to another dude on these forums)

NO 1 TIP WHEN YOU GET STOPPED: Deny everything till you see evidence. NEVER admit to anything. Admission of guilt = hole in wallet.

[Max Preload]

In either case you will be back on the road in 28 days.

Albeit temporarily..


Sadly you're fucked for 28 days dude. If he's got you on video then he has to send it to you (along with all the other evidence at his disposal) when you write in stating you're not guilty and request the evidence be disclosed to you.

He's *maybe* got him on video at a gas station. That means shit - he's already admitted he was there and just because he was there doesn't mean he was the biker in question.


Surely not. After all, everybody knows that you can't get a speeding ticket unless you were speeding. They tell me so every time new draconian laws are proposed.

No - it's true! I read it on the internet. It's all for our own good too, remember. Making us safe and all that... :rofl:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Yes and the bigger crime is you can't get legal aid even if you pay for a lawyer you can't get reinburst. Not to mention loss of earnings and suffering.
Ironic thing is if you hit the cop you would get legal aid if you pissed on a police car you would get legal aid. This is another good example of a need for in car tamper proof video.

Who was the cop ? not ginger was it. This is just the sort of thing he would do.

[CookMySock]

Go and see him, and tell him he has the wrong person. Then go talk to his boss and tell him the truth, and then tell his boss theres no fucking way you are going to park your fucking bike up for a month, and on top of this, you are not going to do their legwork for them.

You had better be right though, but when you are, just tell them to get fucked. We all know their video advice won't stand up in court if its bogus, so just carry on as usual and let them get egg on their face in front of the judge.

Talk to his boss. Tell him its bullshit and you are going to ignore it.


Steve

[davereid]

DONT discuss it with the cops, except to make them very aware its bullshit and you will be defending it.

Anything you say that HELPS the police will be recorded and used against you.

Anything you say that CLEARS you is hearsay and will be ignored.

Anything you say that gives the cops a clue as to how you will defend the case assists them prepare a better case against you.

Write to them. Deny the offence. Explain you will be defending it, but don't discuss it.

The place for questions and answers is the court.

[slimjim]

nope..do all FUCKING possiable for yourself to defend this ... what you do NOW .. get statements, time account..you don't need a lawyer.. you need to do for yourself...act quickly and record interviews via a cam recorder ... everything.... and turn up then...

[bomma]

surely you wouldnt need a lawyer if the prick in question has no real evidence to prove that you were in fact riding recklessly and was able to prove it beyond all reasonable doubt??

what a fucking asshole!! another example of our tax payer dollar going to abso-fucking-lute waste!!! oh and i agree with the fulla who said delete details of speed etc from first post, might get off all the charges!!

good luck buddy, hope the cop gets strung up and made an example of :niceone:

[Fatjim]

DONT discuss it with the cops, except to make them very aware its bullshit and you will be defending it.

Anything you say that HELPS the police will be recorded and used against you.

Anything you say that CLEARS you is hearsay and will be ignored.

Anything you say that gives the cops a clue as to how you will defend the case assists them prepare a better case against you.

Write to them. Deny the offence. Explain you will be defending it, but don't discuss it.

The place for questions and answers is the court.

+1, but you're fucked anyway.

But one thing, make sure when you plead not guilty that you tell the judge that you expect the coppers not to show for the case, and that you would like him/her to insist they do, or for them to drop the case immediately.

[swbarnett]

Unfortunately even if you are totally innocent you will still get fucked over by this incident because you will probably have your licence back by the time anything gets done.
This is why I am vehemently opposed to any form of punishment before a court hearing.

[boomer]

Do a Antonie Dixon on there asses!!

[MSTRS]

xxxkph in a 50kph...hmmmm.

[Winston001]

You have got to think about what you want to do.

If you want to go the legal way be prepared to spend $$$ to clear your name. Take the advice of your lawyer. Don't rely what you see on here. You will need documentary evidence to show you were not the biker committing the offence. In court, your word versus a police officer is virtually worthless.

If you want to just take it, consider what you are actually charged with. If it is of the speeding type, the court penalty is something like 50 points, no ban and a big fine. Seeing as you might have got a 35 point/$350 ticket anyway you may consider that a win. If the cop sticks to the dangerous driving charge etc get yourself a lawyer, the penalties can be big.

In either case you will be back on the road in 28 days.

Unfortunately even if you are totally innocent you will still get fucked over by this incident because you will probably have your licence back by the time anything gets done.

Excellent and sensible stuff. Had a mate in a similar situation some years ago. He defended himself, conducted the case well - and was convicted. Basically it came down to his word against the officer.

What happened is, a similar bike did a runner at night. My mate was in the same area and got pulled over minutes later. Lots of cops and the chasing officer wandered around the back of the bike, "identified" the plate and BANG = gone.

My mate was philosophical. He'd done high speeds on other occasions and just figured it was his turn. Thats life.

Not much help I know, sometimes things just go wrong. Best of luck.

[CookMySock]

He'd done high speeds on other occasions and just figured it was his turn. Thats life.LOL, not if it were me. I would tell them to get fucked and just ride off. Theres no fucking way I would get bagged for something I didn't do - come hell or fucken high water I would tell them to shove it - even if the fucken sky started turning black. :finger:

Go and see them and tell them to stick up their arse, bro.

Steve

[JimO]

LOL, not if it were me. I would tell them to get fucked and just ride off. Theres no fucking way I would get bagged for something I didn't do - come hell or fucken high water I would tell them to shove it - even if the fucken sky started turning black. :finger:

Go and see them and tell them to stick up their arse, bro.

Steve

yea that would work.....snigger

[scumdog]

DONT discuss it with the cops, except to make them very aware its bullshit and you will be defending it.

Anything you say that HELPS the police will be recorded and used against you.

Anything you say that CLEARS you is hearsay and will be ignored.

Anything you say that gives the cops a clue as to how you will defend the case assists them prepare a better case against you.

Write to them. Deny the offence. Explain you will be defending it, but don't discuss it.

The place for questions and answers is the court.

What a frikkin' crock.

And that's the most positive thing I could say.

[scumdog]

Go and see him, and tell him he has the wrong person. Then go talk to his boss and tell him the truth, and then tell his boss theres no fucking way you are going to park your fucking bike up for a month, and on top of this, you are not going to do their legwork for them.

You had better be right though, but when you are, just tell them to get fucked. We all know their video advice won't stand up in court if its bogus, so just carry on as usual and let them get egg on their face in front of the judge.

Talk to his boss. Tell him its bullshit and you are going to ignore it.


Steve
Yup, I have it on good authority that speaking to a cops boss and using words like 'fuck', 'get fucked' and 'bullshit' etc REALLY helps your case, honest...:rolleyes:

[tzrmike]

I was thinking about this on the way to work this morning, especially the bit about how he identified you because you were on a bike and wearing a black jacket and boots. Go to court with a bunch of motorcycling mates, all wearing black jackets and black boots. When your lawyer to asks the cop to identify the culprit, all put your helmets on, and run round the court like musical chairs. Then have your lawyer ask the fucker to now identify the culprit. Hopefully the judge will see the obsurdity of the cop's argument and dismiss the case. Or he could find you in comtempt, and chuck your arse in the cooler!

[CookMySock]

Yup, I have it on good authority that speaking to a cops boss and using words like 'fuck', 'get fucked' and 'bullshit' etc REALLY helps your case, honest...:rolleyes:Yeah, like your "authority" here is worth a fucken knob of goats poo. Contribute something useful here you twit, instead of leaving your fellow biker to go through the fucking mincer.

Steve

[scumdog]

Yeah, like your "authority" here is worth a fucken knob of goats poo. Contribute something useful here you twit, instead of leaving your fellow biker to go through the fucking mincer.

Steve

Glad to have helped.

'leaving my fellow biker to go through the mincer'...mwahahahahaha.

Fellow biker can PM me for USEFUL advice if he so wants.

Of course I'll have to know the WHOLE truthful story to be of any assistance.

[SPman]

Lawyer up.

Vote National ?
Hey, they'll have to fund their tax cut somehow........

[sAsLEX]

Hey, they'll have to fund their tax cut somehow........

Start squeezing that sponge that is social welfare?

[Gubb]

Yeah, like your "authority" here is worth a fucken knob of goats poo. Contribute something useful here you twit, instead of leaving your fellow biker to go through the fucking mincer.

Steve

You are an absolute waste of skin.

[jtzzr]

been down oaktree a few times in my existence, you can get up to some serious speeds down there, Lawyer up , take some advice off Scummy and see what happens , I wish you all the best.

[CookMySock]

Of course I'll have to know the WHOLE truthful story to be of any assistance.Right, why not just up and call him a liar?

UN-HELP-FUL!

Steve

[Patrick]

DONT discuss it with the cops, except to make them very aware its bullshit and you will be defending it.

Anything you say that HELPS the police will be recorded and used against you.

Anything you say that CLEARS you is hearsay and will be ignored.

Anything you say that gives the cops a clue as to how you will defend the case assists them prepare a better case against you.

Write to them. Deny the offence. Explain you will be defending it, but don't discuss it.

The place for questions and answers is the court.

Scummy beat me to it. BULLSHIT!! Plenty can be sorted by him now. Advice abiout seeing this cops supervisor is a good start. It will give him (the biker) an inside view of what he is up against.


Yeah, like your "authority" here is worth a fucken knob of goats poo. Contribute something useful here you twit, instead of leaving your fellow biker to go through the fucking mincer.

Steve

Your "authority" and "advice" is just so wrong and scary. You aint helping this guy at all with crap advice about losing your rag and throwing out ya toys. :weird::slap:


Right, why not just up and call him a liar?

UN-HELP-FUL!

Steve

He can PM. Top advice willingly given. Helpful enough?

[mowgli]

Cops deal with people being economical with the truth all the time so I expect their bullshit detectors stay pretty well tuned. If i was in your shoes I'd fess up unreservedly to what I did do and help them out with constructive evidence as to why I couldn't have done the other stuff.

With complete honesty from the outset the attending cop(s) have been nothing but helpful in my two brushes with the law.

[icekiwi]

Cops deal with people being economical with the truth all the time so I expect their bullshit detectors stay pretty well tuned. If i was in your shoes I'd fess up unreservedly to what I did do and help them out with constructive evidence as to why I couldn't have done the other stuff.

With complete honesty from the outset the attending cop(s) have been nothing but helpful in my two brushes with the law.

This has got to be the best piece of advice i've seen on this thread for you dude...
Aside from that, guys its been an amusing read keep up the good advice...
:bye:

[MSTRS]

Cops deal with people being economical with the truth all the time so I expect their bullshit detectors stay pretty well tuned. If i was in your shoes I'd fess up unreservedly to what I did do and help them out with constructive evidence as to why I couldn't have done the other stuff.

With complete honesty from the outset the attending cop(s) have been nothing but helpful in my two brushes with the law.

Just to play Devil's Advocate...it doesn't always benefit one to be open and helpful to the Police. John Dewar, anyone?

[Tank]

Contribute something useful here you twit.



Yeah - you tell him Steve (p/t) - You personally give great advise - like telling the police to fuck off, and ride regardless. :Tui

Seriously - I worry about you. Have you seen anyone for your drinking problem? Remember admiting you have a problem is the first step.

We are here to help you dude - lay off the sauce.




fucking mincer


Leave Carver out of this

[slimjim]

. John Dewar, anyone?[/QUOTE]

yup thats just one of many rape'rs in the ..sorry ex rotorua god squad..
and know personally of this cunt...

[Winston001]

Look at this from the police officer's point of view. He or another officer has clocked a bike leaving the service station and travelling at excessive speed. Motorcycles being much smaller than cars are easy to confuse.

He has found you, travelling at speed on a nearby road. You agree you'd been at the service station. Sounds like "good cause to suspect" that he has identified the offender, remembering that the police are lied to every day. Of course you'd say it wasn't you.

Bugger. So, check the secuity cam at the service station for other bikes. You are entitled to disclosure of the police evidence so you can find out why he thinks you are the motorcyclist.

When dealing with the police, be polite. You'll get a long way further than if you go in all hot and bothered. Police make mistakes, grab the wrong person, your job is to persuade them of that.

However that isn't legal advice - the strict legal position is to keep quiet, keep away, find your exculpatory evidence, and only make your arguments at the defended hearing.

[Tank]

You are entitled to disclosure of the police evidence so you can find out why he thinks you are the motorcyclist.


For a reason that I dont need to go into here - I have to pop along to court with my son in a couple of weeks.

How does one request disclosure?

C

[MSTRS]

For a reason that I dont need to go into here - I have to pop along to court with my son in a couple of weeks.

How does one request disclosure?

C

The defendant is entitled to the details of the prosecution case (that would be the facts, supporting evidence and witness list) prior to it going to trial.
If you are doing your own defence, then you simply ask for that info from who-ever is bringing the case. Or your (son's) lawyer will.

[mowgli]

How does one request disclosure?

Call the local police station and ask to be put through to Prosecutions. Explain who you are and that you are representing/legal guardian of your son (he may have to do it himself). Ask for the disclosure pack for his case. In my case the pack had already been prepared and they mailed it to me without delay. Two days later an A4 sized envelope turned up with all manner of photocopies in it. If there is physical evidence (video, etc) you might have to go to the cop shop to view and/or collect copies.

HTH

[Tank]

Thanks guys.

I will get him to call today.

Other than that - I watched the entire of series II of Boston Legal on DVD - So Im ready for trial.

[MSTRS]

Other than that - I watched the entire of series II of Boston Legal on DVD - So Im ready for trial.

Denny? Is that you?

[Tank]

Denny? Is that you?

''I can act, you know. I won an Emmy.''

[moT]

If they fine you just take back what they took from you in public goods eg: roadsigns, park benches etc.. Then for the disqualified time you just firebomb the police station and pour z clips all over there driveway and since this is such a spoon feeding country if you want to get more of your fines back just say you have a very bad back and you cant work and sponge off acc.. Aint revenge sweet

[moT]

ammonium nitrate 20kg should be sufficient (most ortchards will have them its the fertiliser they use) + diesel.. You will definatly be satisfied with this result although it is quite hard to detonate i do recomend blasting caps. These have to be obtained through a licence which is a joke to aquire so have fun.. if you wish to make it remote there are some helpful guides online with supplies you can buy from dicksmith electronics

[moT]

Disclamer: The advice i gave above is for this forums entertainment purposes only and should not be used in any way as it is illegal and may cause serious harm to you and others.

[slimjim]

Disclamer: The advice i gave above is for this forums entertainment purposes only and should not be used in any way as it is illegal and may cause serious harm to you and others.


and the caps out of shotgun shell's too..................:drool:

[Winston001]

Call the local police station and ask to be put through to Prosecutions. Explain who you are and that you are representing/legal guardian of your son (he may have to do it himself). Ask for the disclosure pack for his case. In my case the pack had already been prepared and they mailed it to me without delay. Two days later an A4 sized envelope turned up with all manner of photocopies in it. If there is physical evidence (video, etc) you might have to go to the cop shop to view and/or collect copies.

HTH

Thats the one. Good man. Disclosure is a right which flows from the Bill of Rights Act 1991.

[skidMark]

Lawyer up.

Ask for a copy of the video from the petrol station so you can have time stamped evidence of when you and maybe this other chap were there, also you bank records if you used eftpos would be nice.


Go into the station tomorrow and ask to speak to someone regards the ticket.


Vote National ?


And hang onto the receipt for petrol!!!!!

[pritch]

If they fine you just take back what they took from you in public goods eg: roadsigns, park benches etc.. Then for the disqualified time you just firebomb the police station and pour z clips all over there driveway and since this is such a spoon feeding country if you want to get more of your fines back just say you have a very bad back and you cant work and sponge off acc.. Aint revenge sweet

Ahhh Tom, you're back. Long time no see.

Nice to see you again and I'm pleased to see your creativity hasn't been stifled while you've been away :clap:

I hope the original poster has talked to a lawyer already...

[Swoop]

Thanks guys.

I will get him to call today.

Other than that - I watched the entire of series II of Boston Legal on DVD - So Im ready for trial.
Be sure to ask for full disclosure...

[scumdog]

Thats the one. Good man. Disclosure is a right which flows from the Bill of Rights Act 1991.

Yup, the one time things are in your favour, it's a one way street 'cos you don't have to offer disclosure on what your defence might be.

[mowgli]

Just to play Devil's Advocate...it doesn't always benefit one to be open and helpful to the Police. John Dewar, anyone?
Suggesting that Dewar is representative of Police is the same as suggesting the mormon whatever are representative of bikers..... like I said earlier, in the few dealings I've had with police they've been helpful and professional.

[Katman]

Nobody wants you here; you just haven't broken enough rules to get kicked off.



I struggling to imagine though just what it would take to be kicked off this site.

:msn-wink:

[moT]

If you have any distaste for the nz police force please refer back to my previous posts on page 4

[moT]

and the caps out of shotgun shell's too..................:drool:

ooooooh do those detonate anfo? I didnt think they had enough grunt.. If so my life just became a whole lot easier.

[Renegade]

surely this is piss easy to get off the charge.

[Flip]

1, Get a Lawyer.
2, Dont talk to the cops. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court.
3, GET A LAWYER.
4. It sounds like they have the wrong biker. That's their problem, get a lawyer.

[moT]

1, Get a Lawyer.
2, Dont talk to the cops. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court.
3, GET A LAWYER.
4. It sounds like they have the wrong biker. That's their problem, get a lawyer.

too boring just go with acts of terrorism

[Winston001]

How come we get these wounded misunderstood-me cries for help (albeit well written in this case :Punk:), lot of replies and then.........nothing. We seldom hear of progress, steps taken, new info, or what the end result is?? OR AM I JUST NITPICKING :shit:

[more_fasterer]

Cos there is no progress? I guess he's waiting for the 28 days patiently on his mountain bike, then once the reminder notice comes in he'd probably write a politely-worded letter to mr. P. orificer...

[Winston001]

Yeah I'm probably just being impatient. Sosman sounds reasonable and hopefully he'll update us.

[discotex]

How come we get these wounded misunderstood-me cries for help (albeit well written in this case :Punk:), lot of replies and then.........nothing. We seldom hear of progress, steps taken, new info, or what the end result is?? OR AM I JUST NITPICKING :shit:

I think you meant to say:

:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[McDuck]

Fuck this thread is funny after about post 35

[Jez]

so ... whatever happened? ... its like reading an episode of Boston Legal, half serious, half funny as hell, but without the ending

[sosman]

Well I'm going to court on the 24/08/09 for a court hearing,two weeks ago I plead not guilty after getting some legal services.So ya gonna have to wait till then :mad: lol

[YellowDog]

Hey sosman, sorry to hear of your predicament.

You have two options here, hwoever only one of them will give you your sanity back.

Remember the song by The Clash: "I fought the law and the law won".

Right or wrong, the law will win.

My advice is for you to take the path of least resistance.

Good luck for August.

[jtzzr]

I did`nt realise the wheels of Justice turned that fucking slowly.

[dave_a]

Had the same thing happen, I ended up having to pay the fine

[CookMySock]

You never have to "just pay the fine" when you are right. Tell them "NO". If you end up in front of the judge, then indignantly tell him you are innocent, and will emphatically NOT be paying any fine.

Stand up for yourself when you know you are right.

Steve

[dave_a]

Yeah I know that now but this was a fair few years ago when I was about 18 and didnt know any better

[breakaway]

So what happened? Did the OP have to pay up or did he get away with it?

[Nasty]

Well I'm going to court on the 24/08/09 for a court hearing,two weeks ago I plead not guilty after getting some legal services.So ya gonna have to wait till then :mad: lol


So what happened? Did the OP have to pay up or did he get away with it?

See the quote above .. which was five posts before yours for the update.

[avgas]

Say you don't own a motorbike, then promptly get off and walk home

[Winston001]

You never have to "just pay the fine" when you are right. Tell them "NO". If you end up in front of the judge, then indignantly tell him you are innocent, and will emphatically NOT be paying any fine.

Stand up for yourself when you know you are right.



Understand your indignation but life isn't always fair. Mostly - but not always. Refuse to pay a fine and you'll eventually lose your wages and/or vehicle and ultimately be imprisoned.

A mate of mine was pulled up years ago in Christchurch and accused of doing a runner. He had the bad luck to be in the same area as a similar bike.

Got a lawyer etc and got convicted. Shrugged and paid the fine. He'd been speeding plenty of times and figured it was karma. Still riding enthusiastically today.

[robboh]

Understand your indignation but life isn't always fair. Mostly - but not always. Refuse to pay a fine and you'll eventually lose your wages and/or vehicle and ultimately be imprisoned.

A mate of mine was pulled up years ago in Christchurch and accused of doing a runner. He had the bad luck to be in the same area as a similar bike.

Got a lawyer etc and got convicted. Shrugged and paid the fine. He'd been speeding plenty of times and figured it was karma. Still riding enthusiastically today.
Yup, they just start ripping it out of your wages now. Send a letter to your employer instructing them to divert X amount from your wages, and there is nothing you can do about it, apart from negotiating what you can actually afford.

[Nasty]

Yup, they just start ripping it out of your wages now. Send a letter to your employer instructing them to divert X amount from your wages, and there is nothing you can do about it, apart from negotiating what you can actually afford.


They only do that after all other actions are ignored ... you make an a agreement then they don't.

[SARGE]

Yup, I have it on good authority that speaking to a cops boss and using words like 'fuck', 'get fucked' and 'bullshit' etc REALLY helps your case, honest...:rolleyes:

"lick my balls you douchebag" will make him reconsider the whole episode too .... :2thumbsup


might even buy you a coffee for your troubles ...

[CookMySock]

Well I'm self employed, so they are SOL there. They will have to park across my driveway and charge a toll each time I use it.

I guess there are a few people who get unreasonably treated by the legal system. It hasn't been me so far, but then I generally behave on the road - cheeky but not dangerous.

Still I think I would be inclined to turn up in court in tee shirt and shorts, without lawyers etc, and tell the judge its all a bad mistake. A large and complex defense just gets them thinking the wrong way. Keep it simple I reckon, and just tell them "no, you got it wrong - ordinary kiwi bloke going for a ride gets unjustly accosted by police etc, kthx, byee." If they won't hear that, then just shrug and walk out - not your problem.

Steve

[Max Preload]

Well I'm self employed, so they are SOL there.

Nope. They can draw it straight from your bank account.

[CookMySock]

Nope. They can draw it straight from your bank account.Ain't no money in that either. :killingme

Steve

[short-circuit]

Ain't no money in that either

Yeah. Go figure

[scumdog]

Still I think I would be inclined to turn up in court in tee shirt and shorts, without lawyers etc, and tell the judge its all a bad mistake. A large and complex defense just gets them thinking the wrong way. Keep it simple I reckon, and just tell them "no, you got it wrong - ordinary kiwi bloke going for a ride gets unjustly accosted by police etc, kthx, byee." If they won't hear that, then just shrug and walk out - not your problem.

Steve

"The mand who defendeth himself hath only a fool for a client"

[Tank]

You never have to "just pay the fine" when you are right. Tell them "NO". If you end up in front of the judge, then indignantly tell him you are innocent, and will emphatically NOT be paying any fine.

Stand up for yourself when you know you are right.

Steve

Just telling them you wont pay it and that you are innocent dosnt work.

If you get found guilty and dont pay - there are consequences - its not optional and at the end of the day 'the man' will win.

Personally I'm all for harsh penalty payments for people that dont pay within 30 days.

I think the idea of people not been stopped from flying because of unpaid tickets is fantastic - Id love to be there to see the smug face on some of the boi racers when the find out they cannot leave on their holiday with mummy and daddy because of all the fines they have run up.

[pritch]

Personally I'm all for harsh penalty payments for people that dont pay within 30 days.

Nice in theory... The losers(?) owe millions now not having payed their fines, and likely won't ever. So WTF would be the point of penalty interest?

There's a saying that the only people who are policed are those who permit themselves to be policed. So those of us who earn money, by whatever means, as opposed to just "receiving" money, have something to lose and tend to pay the fines.

Those who do nothing to actually earn money and have nothing, mostly seem not to pay, and get away with it.

Occasionally one slips up and comes to notice and a judge sentences the asshole to community work. Then it works out that this turkey's time is valued at something approaching $500 an hour.

Justice? Maybe... You might well ask who are the real losers, them or us?:whistle:

[scumdog]

Nice in theory... The losers(?) owe millions now not having payed their fines, and likely won't ever. So WTF would be the point of penalty interest?

There's a saying that the only people who are policed are those who permit themselves to be policed. So those of us who earn money, by whatever means, as opposed to just "receiving" money, have something to lose and tend to pay the fines.

Those who do nothing to actually earn money and have nothing, mostly seem not to pay, and get away with it.

Occasionally one slips up and comes to notice and a judge sentences the asshole to community work. Then it works out that this turkey's time is valued at something approaching $500 an hour.


Justice? Maybe... You might well ask who are the real losers, them or us?:whistle:

Of course ya have to remember most of those none payers are also non-winners.

Go nowhere.
Do nothing
Have nothing:oi-grr:

Groundhog day everyday for their whole lives.....;)

[quickbuck]

Now it's time to DREDGE!

So SOSMAN, what happened????

Heck, I only found this as I was being nosey as to why DB got heaps of red rep for a post......

[Tank]

Now it's time to DREDGE!

So SOSMAN, what happened????

Heck, I only found this as I was being nosey as to why DB got heaps of red rep for a post......

He followed DB's advise and is now currently serving 7-9 at her majestys pleasure.

[McDuck]

He followed DB's advise and is now currently serving 7-9 at her majestys pleasure.

Thats got the potential to go international...

[st00ji]

what happened there anyway, have been watching the news eagerly waiting for the expose on KBs unfriendly police members...

[Ronin]

what happened there anyway, have been watching the news eagerly waiting for the expose on KBs unfriendly police members...

I'm not sure if scumdogs member is friendly or otherwise.

[Ronin]

Thats got the potential to go international...

It's the joke that just keeps on giving....

[meowmix]

The court date was 24/08/09; interested to hear the result, and method used.

[The Pastor]

I rekon the verdict : GUILTY

[red mermaid]

Is this another one of those threads on KB where someone is all mouth and trousers before the court date, but goes very quiet afterwards and doesn't have the balls to front up and state truthfully what went down in court and what the Judge said.

[Fluffy Cat]

Nice in theory... The losers(?) owe millions now not having payed their fines, and likely won't ever. So WTF would be the point of penalty interest?

There's a saying that the only people who are policed are those who permit themselves to be policed. So those of us who earn money, by whatever means, as opposed to just "receiving" money, have something to lose and tend to pay the fines.

Those who do nothing to actually earn money and have nothing, mostly seem not to pay, and get away with it.

Occasionally one slips up and comes to notice and a judge sentences the asshole to community work. Then it works out that this turkey's time is valued at something approaching $500 an hour.

Justice? Maybe... You might well ask who are the real losers, them or us?:whistle:

Wow...
Someone making sense, policing by consent what a thought.... :niceone:

[paddy]

What a dork....I just read the date on the original post and realised how much of a thread dredge this was. I'll leave my response below as it took me ages to write. :-)


Any help or advice would be really good right now! :(

First of all, take a deep breath. Now, I am no lawyer so please take everything I say as an invitation to due your own due diligence.

Now, you have detailed two separate offences in your original post - firstly your speed and riding style from the shell, and secondly, your speed on Oaktree Avenue. You need to differentiate those and decide which actions you wish to take for each on a separate basis.

You didn't mention if you just had a speeding ticket, or if you were invited to court for dangerous driving. If it's the later, you need to get a lawyer and follow their advice - not the advice you might receive here. If it's the former, you have the option of just waiting 28 days and paying the fine, or inviting the Police to court.

In court, in terms of the Oaktree Avenue allegations, it sounds like it will be your word against the Police's. That is likely to be problematic to you as your character will be easy to impeach. After all - you were caught shortly afterwards speeding away from the Shell garage.

In the later scenario you need to identify your motivation for going to court. Sticking it to the officer concerned is a really bad motivation and will end up hurting you more in the long run. Any court process you instigate will take considerably longer than 28 days.

You fail to mention if the cops need both allegations together in order to suspend you license or if you were travelling sufficiently fast away from the Shell garage. This may be an important consideration in how you proceed.

My advice: if you are "invited" to court - you will need a lawyer. If you were just given tickets/license suspensions then take it on the chin, be patient and pay up. You did indicate that you were travelling in excess of the speed limit. In terms of the Oaktree allegation, you could try writing to the Police Infringements Bureau as this may be dropped - otherwise I would just pay that too.

Let me be absolutely categorical though, PLEASE ignore the advice that suggests that you go and talk to the Police. You are obliged to provide them with identifying details - nothing more. You will only end up implicating yourself further. Anything you say to them WILL be used in court against you. Anything that you say that is exculpatory (i.e. proves your innocence or contradicts the Police case) is not admissible as it would be considered heresay (although the rules of evidence are somewhat relaxed in traffic court and the in-admissibility is somewhat dependent on the objection of opposing counsel - but lets presume they are competent). There is NOTHING that you will gain by talking to the Police. If you end up in court - let your lawyer ask them the appropriate questions.

P.

[scumdog]

Anything that you say that is exculpatory (i.e. proves your innocence or contradicts the Police case) is not admissible as it would be considered heresay
P.

Ehhh??:scratch:

[paddy]

Ehhh??:scratch:

If I am charged with something and I go and chat to the Police about it I may say some things that contribute to the Police case and some that have the opposite affect.

Then we go to court. The officer I chatted too is called to the stand. The prosecution questions the officer asking questions designed to cause the witness to disclose all of the statements I made to the officer that assist the Police case.

Next it is the defence counsel's turn to cross-examine. The defence counsel might ask questions designed to cause the witness to disclose statements that I made to him that are detrimental to the Police case. This is called exculpatory evidence; however, any competent prosecution counsel will object at this point as this evidence would be considered heresay and is therefore inadmissible under the rules of evidence.

[paddy]

Ehhh??:scratch:

To clarify further as the the quote you included excludes the context of my statement - I was explicitly referring to anything that you say to the Police - NOT anything that you say in court should you choose to take the witness stand.

[Winston001]

To clarify further as the the quote you included excludes the context of my statement - I was explicitly referring to anything that you say to the Police - NOT anything that you say in court should you choose to take the witness stand.

Which is really the point you are making - the defendant needs to give evidence in Court if they have an explanation.

[paddy]

Which is really the point you are making - the defendant needs to give evidence in Court if they have an explanation.

The point I was really trying to get across was DON'T TALK TO THE POLICE even if it seems that what you are saying is innocuous. Having said that - DON'T RIDE LIKE AN IDIOT is probably much better advice. An ounce of prevention... :-)

[scumdog]

If I am charged with something and I go and chat to the Police about it I may say some things that contribute to the Police case and some that have the opposite affect.

Then we go to court. The officer I chatted too is called to the stand. The prosecution questions the officer asking questions designed to cause the witness to disclose all of the statements I made to the officer that assist the Police case.

Next it is the defence counsel's turn to cross-examine. The defence counsel might ask questions designed to cause the witness to disclose statements that I made to him that are detrimental to the Police case. This is called exculpatory evidence; however, any competent prosecution counsel will object at this point as this evidence would be considered heresay and is therefore inadmissible under the rules of evidence.

Would you (the defendant) not be there too?

All briefed with your defence and able to directly answer any questions, put forwards 'your side' of things?

After all, it's hardly hearsay when you can tell it to the judge first-hand.