Wheelie question

[ital916]

Hey guys

Have been surfing kb for like four hours straight now *I'm on ordered bed rest due to respiratory problems...not cos I'm a geek haha* and just had a question..about wheelies. I know they are not big nor clever, but hypothetically if you were pulling one on a private road, on two different bikes. One with independant brakes and one with linked brakes, would it make a difference?

The independant brakes one you can cover the rear and apply only the rear, but with the linked brakes bike, if you apply the rear some of the front pots will activate as well. And I am guessing front brakes applied when landing a big wheelie = bad?? *I've never really tried pulling big uns, just accidental little wheelies when a bit raw with the clutch*

Just wondering, anyone had any interesting experiences with link brakes, I hear they are excellent in the wet.

[PirateJafa]

Just a puff of smoke when the wheel lands.

Spend some more time on Youtube - there's one impressive one of a motard holding the front airborne for over ten minutes!

[Marmoot]

With the power of my deduction, linked brake system would apply braking to the front wheel as well as the rear. Due to the front wheel's minimal contact with the ground during wheelie, obviously even a little braking force can most likely result in loss of ground traction.
And we all know that loss of traction on front wheel = bad.
So, the conclusion is that wheelie + linked brake system = bad.

However, considering the front wheel is likely not to be touching the ground during wheelie, it cannot have any diminished traction due to initial traction being 0 (you cannot go less than 0 on traction factor), therefore the linked brake system would not have any effects.
Conclusion, linked brake system + wheelie = no danger.

Considering linked brake system in a wheelie resulted in no danger, then doing this on public road should not be a factor due to the absence of danger.
Conclusion, linked brake system + wheelie + public road = no danger.

Err...to your floating front wheel, that is...

[Devil]

Errr, despite never having had to use the rear brake to calm a wheelie down (engine braking has always sufficed) you should only be braking enough to bring the bike down, not braking the whole way. Once the bike has decided it's coming down, it can come down pretty fast.

Touch the brake to bring it down, then let go. Dont stay on the brakes while landing (front or rear, even with independent brakes).

Sometimes the shock of landing is enough to get the rear wheel skittering along the road if you're on the brake or engine braking in a low gear.

DAMHIK

[alanzs]

With the power of my deduction, :shit::shit::shit: (edited) conclusion, linked brake system + wheelie = no danger.

Considering linked brake system in a wheelie resulted in no danger, then doing this on public road should not be a factor due to the absence of danger.
Conclusion, linked brake system + wheelie + public road = no danger.

Tell that to the judge. I bet it'll get you off a ticket! You have way too much time on your hands... :shit:

[scracha]

Linked brakes for wheelies = a bad thing. Centrifugal force of the spinning front wheel keeps the bike a lot more stable.

[Finn]

The first step in doing a wheelie is to take a deep breath so that kinda rules you out at the moment.

[portokiwi]

:no:Sorry I cant do a wheelie. I tried a few times when I was a lad 20 plus years ago........ Everytime I tried I flipped the dam thing.:o
Love watching them though.

[Devil]

Linked brakes for wheelies = a bad thing. Centrifugal force of the spinning front wheel keeps the bike a lot more stable.

You mean the gyroscopic precession? Heh.

Helps a bit, but depends on the bike really. Some are just nice and stable up on the back wheel and some aren't.

[ital916]

The first step in doing a wheelie is to take a deep breath so that kinda rules you out at the moment.

gahaha touche, due to extreme boredom I must have read every bike review on the net, reviews of all bike gizmos and stuff. Getting interesting, I quite like the idea of linked brakes on the road..must suck in twisties though.

[The Stranger]

Getting interesting, I quite like the idea of linked brakes on the road..must suck in twisties though.

Why is that?

[AlBundy]

Another question is....

When having linked brakes, how easy is it to do burnouts?

Add to that, when doing stoppies, what would the effects be? Totally different weight transfer to the front? Quicker rise due to no rear wheel spinning?

[Devil]

gahaha touche, due to extreme boredom I must have read every bike review on the net, reviews of all bike gizmos and stuff. Getting interesting, I quite like the idea of linked brakes on the road..must suck in twisties though.

Linked brakes have a bias toward whatever one you've put on. It's not like you put the brakes on and both wheels are braked evenly. They're not.
You put the front brake on, most braking force is happening at the front, with a little in the rear. You put the rear on, and most of the force is happening in the rear with a little at the front.

[Big Dave]

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[R6_kid]

Why is that?

Perhaps he wasn't listening at RRRS when they talked about the rear brake helping to settle the bike.

Also the fact that most linked brake systems only work one way - i.e back brake does rear wheel only, but the 'front' brake does both wheels.

[R6_kid]

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hehe... I see you've cropped the supporting wires out!

[AlBundy]

And a very poor example set from a senior poster....

Wheelies are dangerous and irresponsible.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

[ital916]

Perhaps he wasn't listening at RRRS when they talked about the rear brake helping to settle the bike.

Also the fact that most linked brake systems only work one way - i.e back brake does rear wheel only, but the 'front' brake does both wheels.

COs I was reading up on the blackbird, an article said front brake applies all of the front and two rear pots *or summit like that* and the rear applies all the rear and a little of the front. Seems like a good idea unless you riding style doesn't suit using the rear brake. I listened at RRRS thank you very much, I improved lots. I wasn't a dickhead on the course, pulled no stunts or did anything stupid.

[ital916]

Why is that?

If your riding style doesn't use rear brakes or to keep up speed, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Feel free to add more using you instructor wisdom.

[The Stranger]

If your riding style doesn't use rear brakes or to keep up speed, nothing ventured, nothing gained.


You will very rarely (if ever) find a Blackbird owner dissing the linked brakes.
You will note it is usually the press, who don't really get to live with them, that will display some disatisfaction with them.
Lee Parkes in his book Total Control notes that they have been used with success in racing (same system as is used on the VFRs)
Reality - they are excellent.

When you apply the front, as the rear is applied at the same time, the rear tends to squat a little and the bike stays quite flat under heavy braking as a result. The brakes are certainly very effective.

The Blackbird responds very well to trail braking into corners too, more so than any other bike I have ridden.

In my experience - they are no impediment at all on a twisty road - more the opposite as far as I am concerned.

[ital916]

You will very rarely (if ever) find a Blackbird owner dissing the linked brakes.
You will note it is usually the press, who don't really get to live with them, that will display some disatisfaction with them.
Lee Parkes in his book Total Control notes that they have been used with success in racing (same system as is used on the VFRs)
Reality - they are excellent.

When you apply the front, as the rear is applied at the same time, the rear tends to squat a little and the bike stays quite flat under heavy braking as a result. The brakes are certainly very effective.

The Blackbird responds very well to trail braking into corners too, more so than any other bike I have ridden.

In my experience - they are no impediment at all on a twisty road - more the opposite as far as I am concerned.

Brilliant, a concise and well worded answer. Yeah from all the stuff I read the press really hates them. Now to go and continue my daydreams of my dream bike.

[The Stranger]

Brilliant, a concise and well worded answer. Yeah from all the stuff I read the press really hates them. Now to go and continue my daydreams of my dream bike.

Yeah, now check out the owners and see how many hate them.
Most are quite rabid in their support of the bike in general and I think it fair to say that more than usual, the owners tend to keep them for long periods.
Also interesting to note that they were released in 97 and are unchanged (with the exception of FI and smog gear). If something is seriously fucked up how come they continue to sell?

[ital916]

Yeah, now check out the owners and see how many hate them.
Most are quite rabid in their support of the bike in general and I think it fair to say that more than usual, the owners tend to keep them for long periods.
Also interesting to note that they were released in 97 and are unchanged (with the exception of FI and smog gear). If something is seriously fucked up how come they continue to sell?

Oops I meant the pres love them but hate the braking system. My bad . But the testing system now mainly consists of magazines floggin them on the track. I personally love the ol bb....one day I shall have one.

[Static]

You will very rarely (if ever) find a Blackbird owner dissing the linked brakes.
You will note it is usually the press, who don't really get to live with them, that will display some disatisfaction with them.
Lee Parkes in his book Total Control notes that they have been used with success in racing (same system as is used on the VFRs)
Reality - they are excellent.

When you apply the front, as the rear is applied at the same time, the rear tends to squat a little and the bike stays quite flat under heavy braking as a result. The brakes are certainly very effective.

The Blackbird responds very well to trail braking into corners too, more so than any other bike I have ridden.

In my experience - they are no impediment at all on a twisty road - more the opposite as far as I am concerned.

Id second this i own an 08 VFR800 and they still surprise me how much of a difference they make. admittedly im still a bit apprehensive about what difference they will make for stunting and its hard to stoppie cuz the bike stops so quickly lol but they are by no means an impediment when flogging it through twistys :p

[skidMark]

Why is that?


would make backing the rear in interesting..... and you can only reallllly use rear brake on gravel roads..... if its applying the front too.... ummmmmm :shit:

[Morcs]

Hey guys

Have been surfing kb for like four hours straight now *I'm on ordered bed rest due to respiratory problems...not cos I'm a geek haha* and just had a question..about wheelies. I know they are not big nor clever, but hypothetically if you were pulling one on a private road, on two different bikes. One with independant brakes and one with linked brakes, would it make a difference?

The independant brakes one you can cover the rear and apply only the rear, but with the linked brakes bike, if you apply the rear some of the front pots will activate as well. And I am guessing front brakes applied when landing a big wheelie = bad?? *I've never really tried pulling big uns, just accidental little wheelies when a bit raw with the clutch*

Just wondering, anyone had any interesting experiences with link brakes, I hear they are excellent in the wet.

Why do you need brakes to wheelie?
Why do you need clutch to wheelie?

Unless ya doing 30kph 12o'clocks that is...

[scracha]

Why do you need brakes to wheelie?
Why do you need clutch to wheelie?

Unless ya doing 30kph 12o'clocks that is...
umm..every fule kno' clutch wheelies are much smoother and easier on the bike.

[Morcs]

umm..every fule kno' clutch wheelies are much smoother and easier on the bike.

Ah but it takes more precise throttle control to do good power wheelies.
Once ya got clutch wheelies sussed, they are no longer as much fun.

Gotta love the feeling of going over backwards...:whistle:

[westie]

Brakes?
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