This Forum (Manawatu) is being deleted on next upgrade

[Mental Trousers]

The next upgrade has threaded Social Groups so this forum will no longer be necessary. It'll be closed sometime before the upgrade. Stay tuned.

PS This forum no longer contributes to post counts.

[KiwiKat]

The next upgrade has threaded Social Groups so this forum will no longer be necessary. It'll be closed sometime before the upgrade. Stay tuned.

PS This forum no longer contributes to post counts.

Q1. Does this apply to other social group forums as well?

Q2.So why not close it after the upgrade and move the threads or is that not the logical approach?

Q3.Are there any more intelligent people out there?

[Mental Trousers]

yes
ask Spank
no

[Mom]

yes
ask Spank
no

I have a question, did I just read that our little social group entities will be able to be thread based regardless of number when you guys upgrade?

Will we have quote functions etc as well?

[yod]

The next upgrade has threaded Social Groups so this forum will no longer be necessary. It'll be closed sometime before the upgrade. Stay tuned.

PS This forum no longer contributes to post counts.

so this means these threads end up in some other format I assume? (judging by the sounds of "threaded Social Groups")

[Horse]

Srlsy, WTF?

[cowboyz]

chanceyy gave us the heads up on this the other day. She said with all the personal attacks (which were all deemed to be misunderstandings) all the SG forums will be wiped.

Might as well hang out here as long as we can and then move back down the street.

[Mental Trousers]

I have a question, did I just read that our little social group entities will be able to be thread based regardless of number when you guys upgrade?

Will we have quote functions etc as well?

Yes.
Highly likely, as well as other functionality.


so this means these threads end up in some other format I assume? (judging by the sounds of "threaded Social Groups")

We'll have to wait and see if it's possible to transfer the threads across. Won't know until the upgrade.

[Mom]

Yes.
Highly likely, as well as other functionality.



Cool the Bitches will enjoy the upgrade very much...:done:

[cowboyz]

so will the social groups become forums (in a sense?)

[Nasty]

chanceyy gave us the heads up on this the other day. She said with all the personal attacks (which were all deemed to be misunderstandings) all the SG forums will be wiped.

Might as well hang out here as long as we can and then move back down the street.

It is not so much because of the behaviour (however it is deemed) but that there is the upgrade which doesn't have them.

[KiwiKat]

Quoted By Mental in the Pants to me:

"Sorry but your opinion is irrelevant unless you can convince Spank to reenable the Social Group Forums mod.

With a group that has caused such a big problem Spank has said fuck em and turned off the mod. His call. I was going to be a little less harse and just subject everyone in the group to the Pink Hell.

Btw, I don't have to try hard to be an arsehole, it comes naturally lol

If you're lecturing me about respect you REALLY haven't been around long at all."



Kiwikat - Obviously there's no vindictiveness in this. I thought the Forum had sorted itself out nicely.

[cowboyz]

Quoted By Mental in the Pants to me:

With a group that has caused such a big problem Spank has said fuck em and turned off the mod. His call. I was going to be a little less harse and just subject everyone in the group to the Pink Hell.

.

this is the bit I have trouble with. I still cant find where all the "problem" is/was.

[cowboyz]

It is not so much because of the behaviour (however it is deemed) but that there is the upgrade which doesn't have them.

seems I have been misinformed. Sorry bout that.

[Number One]

Cool the Bitches will enjoy the upgrade very much...:done:
Indeed we will :blip:

[chanceyy]

chanceyy gave us the heads up on this the other day. She said with all the personal attacks (which were all deemed to be misunderstandings) all the SG forums will be wiped.


I believe I also mentioned the "bugs & issues" caused by the social groups as part of the reasons behind the removal of the social groups.

[Switch]

I swear you guys ONLY JUST got enough people to make your own forum and now they are shutting it down. Sucks eh, i even joined up so you could make your own forum and i havn't even met you lot yet.

Ahwell.

McRides (www.mcrides.co.nz)

[Bren]

so...where does that leave us? homeless, or are we just being moved along?

[Maha]

Kiwikat - Obviously there's no vindictiveness in this. I thought the Forum had sorted itself out nicely.

Mr KiwiKat....What you have posted, was ment for you eyes only and probably not the smartest move posting it in this thread.

[Nasty]

Kiwikat - Obviously there's no vindictiveness in this. I thought the Forum had sorted itself out nicely.

Then why post it in two seperate threads?

[KiwiKat]

Thanks for the comments Maha.

Sometimes topical things need to be discussed. Honest reasons should be given for actions taken. Hopefully the good that has come out of the forum will be recognised. It's definately been a plus for Manawatu Riders.

Smart is is subjective term.

[Horse]

Let me just say this clearly, and for the record:

For Fuck's Sake!

The owners of the site, are of course free to do whatever the hell they want. That includes standing by people playing out petty vendettas in their roles as mods[1]. From my 19 years of participating in various online communities on the Internet, one thing I know that is 99% of people are simple-minded sheep who really don't give a flying wotsit and will just go with the flow no matter how much you screw them around, so I don't anticipate any great revolution of the people. But this is completely fucking amateur hour.

[1] I'm saying this in direct response to "With a group that has caused such a big problem Spank has said fuck em and turned off the mod." That's BS and many people know it.

[Dak]

I'm with him ^^^^

[Dani-D]

The first twilight ride is going to be SO colourful!

[yod]

meh

my whole standpoint from the start was pretty much; what's the difference either way

I really am not concerned in the slightest that I'm no longer a mod

if the standard of debate in the MRF is some sort of 'fuck-em' benchmark, half the threads on the site should probably be deleted

[KiwiKat]

Where do we post now?

[Bonez]

I believe I also mentioned the "bugs & issues" caused by the social groups as part of the reasons behind the removal of the social groups.
What bugs? I'm sure we're well aware by now of the issues and the pettyness of them. And what were the other reasons prey tell?

[Meanie]

Let me just say this clearly, and for the record:

For Fuck's Sake!

The owners of the site, are of course free to do whatever the hell they want. That includes standing by people playing out petty vendettas in their roles as mods[1]. From my 19 years of participating in various online communities on the Internet, one thing I know that is 99% of people are simple-minded sheep who really don't give a flying wotsit and will just go with the flow no matter how much you screw them around, so I don't anticipate any great revolution of the people. But this is completely fucking amateur hour.

[1] I'm saying this in direct response to "With a group that has caused such a big problem Spank has said fuck em and turned off the mod." That's BS and many people know it.

Im with you horse i,ve had a fucken guts full. We are obviously supposed to say nothing that upsets anyone and some of the mods seem to be on a power trip
I though KB was the best thing to happen to the biking comunity for a very long time but it seem like nothing has changed since bloody school, the bloody whiners whine loud enough to get thier own way. Lets hope they are all happy

[Mental Trousers]

Im with you horse i,ve had a fucken guts full. We are obviously supposed to say nothing that upsets anyone and some of the mods seem to be on a power trip
I though KB was the best thing to happen to the biking comunity for a very long time but it seem like nothing has changed since bloody school, the bloody whiners whine loud enough to get thier own way. Lets hope they are all happy
Amazing really. People have no idea of the repercussions of their actions. Give them a little freedom to move and they prove it was a bad idea. Then wonder why the whole thing gets canned. So it's back to the status quo and having the rule book waved around.

We trusted a group of people to act like they're grown ups but that didn't happen. So the entire thing is being canned even though the mess is cleaned up and sorted out. Unfortunately it's too late, the damage was done. That sort of trust and respect will no longer be given to any group in that manner again. Ruined it for the lot.

Social Group Forums experiment 0-1 Failure

[Meanie]

So why didnt the mods take out some of the offensive posts and put them in PD like they do in the main forum, Works there.
Thought this was sorted anyway, obvoiusly someone still very unhappy

[Bren]

oh well, we know where we stand...IMHO...the manawatu riders dont seem to be welcome...even though the posting in the manawatu crap talk thread was one of the liveliest of the lot...i guess any group that is maybe a little bit different is targeted...

...it's differences that make things interesting...

[rottiguy]

yes it sure is a shame some people still act like kids even though they are into their middle age, maybe they have peter pan syndrome.

Flogging a dead horse springs to mind.

I can only hope people will just get over it all and remember it's supposed to be about the bikes and riding, not generating their own little soap opera in cyber space.

When i was introduced to this site I thought it was a brilliant idea for bikers to get together and go for rides and talk bikes, but it seems to be just one big power struggle and bitch fight. Oh well I guess you can't get away from politics no matter where you go.

Please get a grip

[Bren]

10 char......

[Mental Trousers]

So why didnt the mods take out some of the offensive posts and put them in PD like they do in the main forum, Works there.
Thought this was sorted anyway, obvoiusly someone still very unhappy

The rules were relaxed a bit for the Social Group Forums. The mods let a hell of a lot slide but that just led to an avalanche.

The immediate problem was sorted, but the problem for the people who run this place is that we trusted people to behave with the relaxed rules but things went too far. Betrayal of trust isn't cured in 5 minutes. The repercussions spread wide and go deep.

[sinfull]

Then why post it in two seperate threads?
Magic number 241 perhaps

The first twilight ride is going to be SO colourful!
Nah it won't, unfortunately i'm not in on this one


Hi, this is canopener. I try not to talk loud. Where do we post now? Same place we did before the forum was set up !


the bloody whiners whine loud enough to get thier own way. Lets hope they are all happy
Think that was the problem meanie !
There was some hell bitch fights going on in here, it's not like it's a private forum man ! I was actually embarassed (wrong choice of words perhaps, i don't blush often) that there was such power play going on !
Your right in one aspect that kb in my mind is the best thing since sliced bread (far too much time on my hands) and though as yod has pointed out half the threads on kb deserve to be binned, it is a policy however that nothing is deleted so everything is archived !
The forum is great in whatever form, to talk bikes, riding, crap and meeting new ppl I personally have learnt a fair amount in the short time i've been here, met some cool ppl, been on a couple of good fun rides !
The deleting of the manawatu forum is not going to change any of that for anyone !
I think someone has just made it known who owns what !

Thank the stars we still have real life to fall back on aye !

[Switch]

I still dont really know what went wrong, admitedly i havn't been following everything and i dont post that often. But to me it seemed like a busy thread (or threads) that was working quite fine? I dont really want to know what went wrong, but i thought the social groups could work. Not my kind of thing, but it was a good way to sort out forum threads???

I know a place that doesnt delete your threads :shifty:

[Horse]

So the entire thing is being canned even though the mess is cleaned up and sorted out. Unfortunately it's too late, the damage was done.

What is this, World Meaningless Platitude Day? It's cleaned up, but oh noes, it's all too late!!!!!1 We've walked past some mythical Point Of No Return? We've learned things that Man Wasn't Meant To Know? We've tasted the Flesh of Forbidden Fruit.

What a bunch of crap. Sorry if I'm not buying it. As I said, it's Spank's site, he gets to make the rules and do what he wants, but if you're going to come up with some retroactive justification to make everyone involved feel like they're being Calm and Reasonable, get back to me when it's something at least vaguely plausible.

[Mental Trousers]

I do need to just clarify something here. The Social Group Forums were being removed anyway. Once we knew that threaded Social Groups were being implemented that was the end for the Social Group Forums because they're buggy, they're incredibly resource heavy, they were never fully implemented. They're a beta really, but now the authors have found that they're not quite what they expected (as have we) so they're going with threaded Social Groups instead.

This forum isn't being shut down because it's a failed experiment. That failure only has bearing on when it's shutdown. Not if.

[Mental Trousers]

... blah ...


I really don't care if you believe me or not. But if you don't want an explanation then stop reading cos I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear.

[yod]

yes it sure is a shame some people still act like kids even though they are into their middle age, maybe they have peter pan syndrome.

Flogging a dead horse springs to mind.

I can only hope people will just get over it all and remember it's supposed to be about the bikes and riding, not generating their own little soap opera in cyber space.

When i was introduced to this site I thought it was a brilliant idea for bikers to get together and go for rides and talk bikes, but it seems to be just one big power struggle and bitch fight. Oh well I guess you can't get away from politics no matter where you go.

Please get a grip

:laugh:

are you serious?

bikes and riding??

check out rant or rave, there's over half a million posts in there, thats more than any other section of the entire site

people are people, they'll talk about whatever they hell they want

not sure who you're actually aiming at with this post but if you don't like 'flogging a dead horse' as you call it, the easy answer is; don't join in

[Horse]

I really don't care if you believe me or not. But if you don't want an explanation then stop reading cos I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear.

To put it another way: you said "The repercussions spread wide and go deep" - I'm simply not seeing that, but if you feel like providing some supporting commentary I'm all ears.

All I see is (1) some people that realised "omg the mods aren't looking" and got a little carried away, and posted some pointless shit. OMG It's the End of the WORLD.... oh wait, you can just delete the shit, get a senior mod to lay out a bit of smackdown (you could call it "doing poo-poos in your own playpen" or something like that) and things might just settle down.... (why does that sound familiar?)

and (2) 1 or 2 mods taking things said on the internet personally (which in my opinion and yes, 19 years of experience doing things on the Internet, pretty much rules them out of being a mod) and getting a little carried away.

As I said, if there's more, I'm all ears.

[Can Opener]

I'm with Yod. Cheers to Manawatu.

[Bonez]

The first twilight ride is going to be SO colourful!Too right.

[sinfull]

I'm with Yod. Cheers to Manawatu.

Haha thats gonna help !

[cowboyz]

ok . before this gets binned lets clear up a few things.


1. MRF was created.
2. Ultimate crap threads created. this was made in the MRF to continue what was in rant and rave.
3. I asked MT to move ride threads to MRF
4. Ride threads and crap threads were moved to MRF
5. Chanceyy had issue with ride threads in MRF and raised issue about no one being able to see them
6. I corrected her saying everyone could see them
7. Chanceyy came up with several reasons why it was a bad idea.
8. I rebutted comments from chanceyy why I thought it was a good idea.
9. Chanceyy called a group who wanted rides threads in MRF elitist. (twice)
10. In a drunken night of partying a group came up with the idea of calling ourselves the Elitist Masters of the Universe. (EMU)
11. posts were made about it
12. All sorts of comments and abuse ranging from the labelled EMUs being childish to masterbaters were directed online.
13. Was explained EMU was a measure of magnetic force (apt named BTW)
14. more pissy comments.
15. poll.
16. threads moved back, with no rides threads in MRF and vote showing MRF was for crap threads, several crap threads showed up and were pd'd.
17. I was phoned and told an outside job would be influenced if I contiuned to pick on chanceyy even though I havent been about to find any abuse directed at chanceyy.
18. everyone calmed down.
19. told MRF posters were responsible for shutting down of social groups.
20. Still no actual evidence of alleged abuse.
21. SG being shut down due to bugs/ irresponsible behaviour????? (still confused over this one.

If any mod wants to PM me any posts where I have abused anyone in the MRF then fill my mailbox. I cant find them.

BTW. somewhere in there. there was a snr mod flinging abuse left right and centre and that was ignored. Even when another SNR mod was notified of it I got the response - I dont care.

Feel free to correct me, cause I really dont get it.

(might have to start using ACTUAL EXAMPLES rather than broad general statements. I am not that smart)

[KiwiKat]

Smoke clears and we all move on. Looking Forward to Friday Nights Ride. I'll bring my friend with the smoking gun. I'm chilling now.

[Can Opener]

Smoke clears and we all move on. Looking Forward to Friday Nights Ride. I'll bring my friend with the smoking gun. I'm chilling now.

Goodnight all.

[rottiguy]

haha yeah true, I know people just love talking crap, and of course gossip is all the rage, you just have to look at how many womens mags are sold each week.
As for flogging the dead horse, I wasn't flogging it when it died and I wasn't flogging it after, I deliberately stayed out of the shit fight because I didn't want to get into a flaming match, but I can flame with the best of them. I just prefer to remain civil and keep my "opinions" to myself if I know it will add fuel to the fire. there were a few people who were trying to let the fire go out by not commenting even though of course people will quickly jump to one side or the other.
Joining in is what I came to this site for originally, and when I decide not to join in I will quietly slip away and just ride my bike.
Peace out.


:laugh:

are you serious?

bikes and riding??

check out rant or rave, there's over half a million posts in there, thats more than any other section of the entire site

people are people, they'll talk about whatever they hell they want

not sure who you're actually aiming at with this post but if you don't like 'flogging a dead horse' as you call it, the easy answer is; don't join in

[Owl]

WHO CARES!

Some great news ventured to the MRF today in the form of Mr & Mrs yod expecting a baby.:woohoo: This should surely be a time for celebration!

Aren't we losing sight of what's important here? This is a glitch on an internet forum. It's not the end of the world and life will go on!

[rottiguy]

Here here, on ya :) my point egg sackly


WHO CARES!

Some great news ventured to the MRF today in the form of Mr & Mrs yod expecting a baby.:woohoo: This should surely be a time for celebration!

Aren't we losing sight of what's important here? This is a glitch on an internet forum. It's not the end of the world and life will go on!

[Bonez]

WHO CARES!

Some great news ventured to the MRF today in the form of Mr & Mrs yod expecting a baby.:woohoo: This should surely be a time for celebration!

Aren't we losing sight of what's important here? This is a glitch on an internet forum. It's not the end of the world and life will go on!Absobloodylutely

[yod]

WHO CARES!

Some great news ventured to the MRF today in the form of Mr & Mrs yod expecting a baby.:woohoo: This should surely be a time for celebration!

Aren't we losing sight of what's important here? This is a glitch on an internet forum. It's not the end of the world and life will go on!

indeed!

bring on the dancing girls! we shall eat, drink and make merry until the sun returns!

must go find meself a big ol' stogie for the big day

[Bren]

just when is that day? too tired to troll through all the threads

[yod]

just when is that day? too tired to troll through all the threads

when is the peanut due you mean?

13/4/09

[Mental Trousers]

... stuff ....

I've already explained things. If you don't understand then read through a bit slower and skim/speed read.


WHO CARES!

Some great news ventured to the MRF today in the form of Mr & Mrs yod expecting a baby.:woohoo: This should surely be a time for celebration!

Aren't we losing sight of what's important here? This is a glitch on an internet forum. It's not the end of the world and life will go on!

:niceone:

[Horse]

I've already explained things. If you don't understand then read through a bit slower and skim/speed read.

Nice handwave. Pretty much as I expected.

[KiwiKat]

I've enjoyed thsi forum. More fun than I've had for a long time. I wonder if we can hit 100 members before it closes.

[cowboyz]

The whole thing is we are being told off for being inappropriate, but no one is willing to go. Hey, look at this post. this is not on.

Had a lenghty phone call with a snr mod last night. At one point s/he explained that if you are not finanicially contributing to the site then you can fuck off. Used the usual 'I dont care what your side of the story is' as welll as 'mods try to be fair and just'

oxymoron?

Sportsbike.co.nz is looking really good about now.

[KiwiKat]

There are several alternative bike forums operating at the moment. That's not to say they are any better. Key attributes of a good site would have to be content, which on this site is pretty damned good and users being able to discuss their passions, passionately, expressing their opinions freely. That is where this site is currently letting users down. As with any gradual shift away from a website, this website will slowly lose market share and revenue.

Site builders should always evaluate whether their actions are appealing to their users and ensuring the future of the site.

[ynot slow]

One word has stuffed this idea of seperate forum "exclusive".And the fact it was percieved as such,mainly through a glitch in the system which meant unless you joined or had sufficient credit you couldn't post,obviously this was not the way it was meant to work,but beyond the control of us mere mortals,unless we subscribed.

Seems maybe the social group idea was being deleted anyway even before we managed to create one,albeit the percieved crap etc helped it to be scrapped,and brought it forward.

Obvously 2 strong willed minds clashed and it sky rocketed,and bloody good on them for having differing views,that is a free world ideal,imagine if we allfollowed along baaaaa,sound springs to mind.Shit who cares if some guys vote greens,labour,national next month,I won't be upset,I would be if I was told vote this party.Similarities here anyone,do as I say not as I do.

[Kendog]

People have no idea of the repercussions of their actions.

The ancients once said "What you post in life, will echo throughout eternity"

[Monie]

ok everyone say good bye ... and we meet up in the main form... ok see you all there.. lolololololol

[sinfull]

ok everyone say good bye ... and we meet up in the main form... ok see you all there.. lolololololol

And it is that easy aye, haha still owe ya that bourbon Monie, unfortunately i cant shout ya one here, but hey Two days one sleep to go ! Look out real world !

[jrandom]

:doobey:

:corn:

[sinfull]

:doobey:

:corn:http://lh3.ggpht.com/sinfullbastard/SOPUrSrKp0I/AAAAAAAAAms/wnKyekPPNXs/s288/Copy%20of%20bush_castaway%20%28Medium%29.jpg
Had a moment on Teu but stayed strong and went passenger in a wagon to a mates funeral, hard to watch a dozen bikes ride out my drive with mine only 20 feet away !

[TerminalAddict]

I can attest to this ... been doing it a long time, and am trying it again :)


There are several alternative bike forums operating at the moment. That's not to say they are any better. Key attributes of a good site would have to be content, which on this site is pretty damned good and users being able to discuss their passions, passionately, expressing their opinions freely. That is where this site is currently letting users down. As with any gradual shift away from a website, this website will slowly lose market share and revenue.

Site builders should always evaluate whether their actions are appealing to their users and ensuring the future of the site.

[86GSXR]

Haven't been online for a day or two due to familial visit so just seen this. Quite a shame really, but as James T Kirk once said, "crap will find a way". Or something like that :laugh:

[KiwiKat]

Are New Threads required in main forum so we don't lose content: e.g. paintball, local stuff etc? Perhaps if new threads are started we can cut and paste bulk of content and Forum members can subscribe to threads through User CP.

[Nasty]

Are New Threads required in main forum so we don't lose content: e.g. paintball, local stuff etc? Perhaps if new threads are started we can cut and paste bulk of content and Forum members can subscribe to threads through User CP.

Are you wanting to move the threads ... you don't have to copy and paste to not lose content .. they can be moved in with eveything in them .. including title ... all that happens is the place they are stored is moved .. e.g. rant and rave ... or ride reports etc.

[KiwiKat]

Are you wanting to move the threads ... you don't have to copy and paste to not lose content .. they can be moved in with eveything in them .. including title ... all that happens is the place they are stored is moved .. e.g. rant and rave ... or ride reports etc.

What a lovely response. Thanks dear. You are so sweet.