Psycho commute riders

[sbaker3]

It seems that the zen of my morning commute is increasingly being ruined by mental riders who want to race everything on the road.

I'm not against lane splitting, I consider it one of the perks of riding. But it seriously pisses me off when I lane split up to a red light and then a rider comes up behind me and starts beeping as if I'm preventing him from running the red.

Today this happened at basin reserve just out of the tunnel. And then he almost hit me when he tried to overtake with about 1 metre of space between me and the basin curb. He then took off weaving like a crazy man while racing some other fuckwit who was pulling his own shitty moves in another lane.

All I can say is guys, you ride a bike to work - that means you've already won the race. Slow the fuck down and show your fellow riders some consideration.

OK, rant over.

[PirateJafa]

If you split up to the front of the lights, you should really pull over to one side at the front. It allows anyone slpitting up behind you to also pull to the front, rather than being wedged behind a bike and in between two cages.

That said though, the overtake sounds silly.

Summer must be on it's way.

[neilwgtn]

gee.. thats a first for me.. i always wait behind if there is someone at the lights or just tuck in behind a car.. No need to rush to work.. it will still be there when i get in..!!

[mtroskill]

Im a newbie but have often wondered why the 1st bike stopped at the lights doesn't move to the left or right a little to allow the other bikes filtering behind through....

Not a dig mate..genuine question ( I haven't started riding on the road properly yet)

[dipshit]

You're lucky they didn't kick your mirror off for getting in their way.

There are lots of pretentious fuckwits out there on motorcycles.

[bungbung]

Im a newbie but have often wondered why the 1st bike stopped at the lights doesn't move to the left or right a little to allow the other bikes filtering behind through....

Not a dig mate..genuine question ( I haven't started riding on the road properly yet)

Not necessary, it's nice tio make room if you can, but if you get to the front a while before the next guy, it's not that practical.

Make sure you get off the line smartly if there is a another bike waiting.
Remember to check for red light runners!

[PirateJafa]

There are lots of pretentious fuckwits out there on motorcycles.

And there are some on KB too. Not looking at anyone in particular, or course.


Im a newbie but have often wondered why the 1st bike stopped at the lights doesn't move to the left or right a little to allow the other bikes filtering behind through....

Actually most bikes do move - it's only the occasional ones that don't. You've probably only encountered the day-dreamers so far, but you'll see. :)

[dipshit]

And there are some on KB too.

Absolutely no doubt about it.

[vifferman]

If you split up to the front of the lights, you should really pull over to one side at the front. It allows anyone slpitting up behind you to also pull to the front, rather than being wedged behind a bike and in between two cages.
Yes, that's true, but it's not always possible.

[The Pastor]

but he didnt even do a wheelie?

[NOMIS]

It seems that the zen of my morning commute is increasingly being ruined by mental riders who want to race everything on the road.

I'm not against lane splitting, I consider it one of the perks of riding. But it seriously pisses me off when I lane split up to a red light and then a rider comes up behind me and starts beeping as if I'm preventing him from running the red.

Today this happened at basin reserve just out of the tunnel. And then he almost hit me when he tried to overtake with about 1 metre of space between me and the basin curb. He then took off weaving like a crazy man while racing some other fuckwit who was pulling his own shitty moves in another lane.

All I can say is guys, you ride a bike to work - that means you've already won the race. Slow the fuck down and show your fellow riders some consideration.

OK, rant over.

i could reply with my rant about, gn riders who lane split so slowly is painfull . as well as burgman riders and majority of scooters. but i wont. considering my bars have about 10sm more on them than a gn and my mirrors even wider..

and the ones who stop in between cars at redlights ( instead of going a little ahead to let other bike through as well ) when another bike is going to get stuck sandwiched between the 2 at the green gets me aswell.

[Katman]

i could reply with my rant about, gn riders who lane split so slowly is painfull . as well as burgman riders and majority of scooters. but i wont. considering my bars have about 10sm more on them than a gn and my mirrors even wider..



Perhaps you should pull your head in a bit. If anyone chooses to lane split then it should be done with all due care and at a speed that the motorcyclist is comfortable with. If you have to slow down or find an alternative route past them, so be it.

[sbaker3]

Wouldn't pulling to the left or right at the lights put you in the middle of the pedestrian crossing? At least it would for most of the lights I split at.

As for being a slow splitting gn rider, surely it doesn't matter how fast your going if you're cruising to a red? Even on a gn I can pull away faster than the cars when it goes green so riders can pass then - as long as they use their own lane to do it.

[NOMIS]

Perhaps you should pull your head in a bit. If anyone chooses to lane split then it should be done with all due care and at a speed that the motorcyclist is comfortable with. If you have to slow down or find an alternative route past them, so be it.

yes and it should be done with being curtious to other people using the road..
Perhaps people who arnt confident to split at a safe speed should learn to use their mirrors and move over for people who are. and yes finding an alternative route means cuting to another lane going past and then cutting back again.. thats when you get a thread like this starting.. because mr GN or whatever their on probally didnt check there mirrors or didnt realise he was going that slow that there where 2 or more "fello motorcyclists" who had been stuck behind and had to go the long way around

[NOMIS]

Wouldn't pulling to the left or right at the lights put you in the middle of the pedestrian crossing? At least it would for most of the lights I split at.

As for being a slow splitting gn rider, surely it doesn't matter how fast your going if you're cruising to a red? Even on a gn I can pull away faster than the cars when it goes green so riders can pass then - as long as they use their own lane to do it.

reason im saying "mr gn " is becuase there a certain gn and yellow burgman i get stuck behind on the n/w nearly every day and i mean the sit in the middle of 2 lanes at 20kmph no faster and when trafic speed's up they stay with the flow no problems .. however still in between the 2 lanes. you need to see it for your self.

And ive been stuck between 2 cars at a red in the past as they started to go. not nice bing at 20km or so with a car a few cm away from your bars on each side. there usually enough room to be able to move over a tad to let another bike past at red lights.

[alanzs]

As a devoted lane splitter (one of the reasons for riding a bike in traffic) I always try to leave room at the light (or the lane) for any other bikers who split the lanes. If I see a bike coming behind me as I am splitting the lane, I move over. There have been the odd occasions when I don't see the bike, as I am concentrating on Ian or Myrtle in the millions of cars around me. Usually though, I'm the one coming up faster. Most bikes do move over. If they don't, I move around them. I figure they're concentrating on what's going on in front of them, not behind them. Fair enough. No big deal.

A very hot looking Suzuki SV1000 pulled up to the side of me the other day as I was sitting between the cars at the light on Ti Rakau and Botany Road. When the light changed, they wheelied out and through the intersection, just as a car plowed through the light. The car just missed t-boning the bike. It was a beautiful, graceful wheelie. My hat's off to them, but not looking almost got them hit. :Oops:

[sbaker3]

yes and it should be done with being curtious to other people using the road..
Perhaps people who arnt confident to split at a safe speed should learn to use their mirrors and move over for people who are. and yes finding an alternative route means cuting to another lane going past and then cutting back again.. thats when you get a thread like this starting.. because mr GN or whatever their on probally didnt check there mirrors or didnt realise he was going that slow that there where 2 or more "fello motorcyclists" who had been stuck behind and had to go the long way around
I was already at the red when he honked, he was just being a dick.

[Devil]

If you split up to the front of the lights, you should really pull over to one side at the front. It allows anyone slpitting up behind you to also pull to the front, rather than being wedged behind a bike and in between two cages.


Get real. Anyone coming up behind should be looking ahead and not putting themselves in a position where they're sitting between cars if they're concerned about it.

I cant stand it when i'm in the car and a bike splits up and pulls in front. Fucks me off. Cars can take off quick too. Stay in the middle. It's up to anyone else splitting up from behind to ensure they put themselves in a sensible position.

The person who tooted at you sounds like a cunt.

[James Deuce]

Didn't I get the fuck outta YOUR way last night?

[PirateJafa]

Get real. Anyone coming up behind should be looking ahead and not putting themselves in a position where they're sitting between cars if they're concerned about it.

I cant stand it when i'm in the car and a bike splits up and pulls in front. Fucks me off. Cars can take off quick too. Stay in the middle. It's up to anyone else splitting up from behind to ensure they put themselves in a sensible position.

I took it as a given that common sense would also be applied - evidently this was too great an assumption.

You don't pull in front of a boy-racer'd Supra - rather, the slower vehicle. And you don't piss around when it goes green - a quick check for red-light runners and get out of there.

If you have split to the front, it is only courteous to ensure you don't hold anyone else up.

[retro asian]

I cant stand it when i'm in the car and a bike splits up and pulls in front. Fucks me off. Cars can take off quick too. Stay in the middle.



I also didn't used to take kindly to that. Bikers would often pull in front of my car and take off slowly, slowing me down.

Now that I'm a biker noob, I'll show some lenience however...

[MentalFacility]

bikers kill bikers what esle can i say?

[Morcs]

i could reply with my rant about, gn riders who lane split so slowly is painfull .

Agreed.


Perhaps you should pull your head in a bit. If anyone chooses to lane split then it should be done with all due care and at a speed that the motorcyclist is comfortable with. If you have to slow down or find an alternative route past them, so be it.
So what if the due care, speed and comfort zone is much higher than someone elses? the slower bike should move out of the way. Im pissed off with having to go left, round the back of a car, round the other side, and pull back in front of the slow bastard.


Get real. Anyone coming up behind should be looking ahead and not putting themselves in a position where they're sitting between cars if they're concerned about it.

I cant stand it when i'm in the car and a bike splits up and pulls in front. Fucks me off. Cars can take off quick too. Stay in the middle. It's up to anyone else splitting up from behind to ensure they put themselves in a sensible position.


I disagree Matt. What if you breakdown, have a stroke, or even so much as stall? In those situations id rather be clearly in a lane, holding up a load of cages, because if you were in the middle, cages dont give a fuck and will just be flying past on both sides regardless. Its a matter of safety IMHO rather than courtesy.

[vifferman]

I disagree Matt. What if you breakdown, have a stroke, or even so much as stall? In those situations id rather be clearly in a lane, holding up a load of cages, because if you were in the middle, cages dont give a fuck and will just be flying past on both sides regardless. Its a matter of safety IMHO rather than courtesy.
:yes: That's why I do it, not to piss people off.
Although if it pisses them off, that's a bonus.

And talking of pissing people off (and getting back to the original post) - it used to piss me off when commuting the other bikers that seem to think they need to race me, but experience has taught me that if I just ride my own ride, I generally get to the end of the road faster than the racernoobz, with less risk on the way. Experience and cunning beat hormones, impetuosity and lack of imagination most times...
Not that it's a race, of course. But I usually win anyway, even though I'm not participating. :shifty:

[skidMark]

It seems that the zen of my morning commute is increasingly being ruined by mental riders who want to race everything on the road.

I'm not against lane splitting, I consider it one of the perks of riding. But it seriously pisses me off when I lane split up to a red light and then a rider comes up behind me and starts beeping as if I'm preventing him from running the red.

Today this happened at basin reserve just out of the tunnel. And then he almost hit me when he tried to overtake with about 1 metre of space between me and the basin curb. He then took off weaving like a crazy man while racing some other fuckwit who was pulling his own shitty moves in another lane.

All I can say is guys, you ride a bike to work - that means you've already won the race. Slow the fuck down and show your fellow riders some consideration.

OK, rant over.

I always split to front of lights like that, but then there is some commuter only rider, ie somebody like you on a gn...that stops...between the cars.... and i give toot, standard biker procedure is justr creep forward of the light and off to the side to let the other biker in, he probably did not want to run the red, just get to the fron....would you want to be behind a bike between 2 cars off a set of lights, when you could be infront?

see it from his view. sounds like you have alot to learn, no sympathy here.

[Devil]

I disagree Matt. What if you breakdown, have a stroke, or even so much as stall? In those situations id rather be clearly in a lane, holding up a load of cages, because if you were in the middle, cages dont give a fuck and will just be flying past on both sides regardless. Its a matter of safety IMHO rather than courtesy.

If you ride an unreliable bike, are prone to stalling or not confident enough in your health, dont split!

[Bren]

And there are some on KB too. Not looking at anyone in particular, or course.
yup


but he didnt even do a wheelie?

point made in full!

[PirateJafa]

If you ride an unreliable bike

Don't be a two-stroke hater mate. :headbang:

[NOMIS]

so stoping next to a car window with my exhausts next to someones face is okay by you because you wont move foward a bit to let me in as well??? hey ill even over fule it and turn the choke on for th cager to :-)

[dipshit]

so stoping next to a car window with my exhausts next to someones face is okay by you because you wont move foward a bit to let me in as well??? hey ill even over fule it and turn the choke on for th cager to :-)

If you are going to get stuck between traffic with no quick exit... then don't go there. What makes you think you can just push your way through to the front?

Get yourself a copy of the 'Ride Forever' DVD and listen to what the instructors say about multiple motorcycles lane splitting.

[vtec]

I like to think of myself as the zen master of splitting. I worked as a bicycle and motorbike courier for two years. I've raced for a couple of years, and commuted 20k's each way on Auckland motorway network for years... at pace.

People when splitting are very often unaware of what's behind them because splitting requires nearly undivided attention, but still if you are splitting slowly you can afford a mirror check every 30 seconds. I always knew if there was a bike behind me even though it was rare for someone to split quicker than me, it did happen. Including Sudeep and Texmo. If you are a slow splitter check, you will often be holding someone up.

Muppets who hog ghost lanes and block you for more than a minute are lame, and force you to have to change through a car lane to the next ghost lane to get past them, cars hate splitters changing into their lanes so its sometimes trickier than it sounds.

If you split to the front of the queue always pick a side and make room for other bikes. And yes, blocking the cars means that you are not going to get sandwiched on takeoff, never leave any trust with anyone else that you don't have to. You aren't doing them any injustice, as even my 250 was quicker to 100 than 95% of cars, and they're only going to be tacking onto the back of the next lot of traffic whereas you get to flow through it.

To all the nancy's who get pissed off when a bike splits and pulls in front of you, get over yourself, cars are the problem. They create the long lines of traffic. Be thankful they aren't taking up a whole car space in the traffic as that just makes the whole situation worse. They are doing you a bloody favour. When people get annoyed and toot when I was bike couriering, I'd always wave or give them the thumbs up and yell "you're the winner". It's not a negative response so they can't fire up at you, but it's taking them piss out of them so it makes them more wild. Use that tactic, flipping the bird only lets them know that they've affected your mental state and made you annoyed, that's exactly what they want. Don't give them the pleasure, throw it back at them with a nice natured positive response, works a treat.

Here's the rules as I see it. Get from A to B as quick as possible without getting knocked off or ticketed. To do this you need several things. Know how fast your bike can brake. Always be aware of escape routes if someone tries to change lanes into you because sometimes braking won't save you, try to use evasion before or with braking, you need to be aware that any space without car in it is your space to take advantage of for saving your ass. On the bicycle I'd even use the wrong side of the road if it was clear or the traffic was going slow enough. If there is a gap big enough for a car to change lanes into, expect them to do so. Unfortunately most of these survival skills come from experience, and experience comes from experiencing what can go wrong, luckily for me on my learning adventure to becoming an experienced fast and safe splitter I was never knocked off, but I must have collected more than my fair share of wingmirrors both on the bicycle and motorbike. Only been sideswiped by a car once, but stayed on pretty easy. Really hurt my little finger on his wingmirror though.

[Katman]

I like to think of myself as the zen master of splitting.

So do I. I did four years in London as a motorcycle courier. The difference is though - as a courier you have this little devil on your shoulder saying "Go faster, you'll earn more". Normal commuting in traffic doesn't carry the same kind of reward.

[vifferman]

Normal commuting in traffic doesn't carry the same kind of reward.
Good point, Dr Katman. :niceone:
Something I always try to be aware of when communtering: Do I really need to get there quickly? How much am I endangering my safety just to save a couple of minutes I'll just fritter away anyway?
Generally, I choose not to lanesplit, except to the front of traffic at the lights, and then it's not to save time, but because it's a pain waiting for the cars to get moving, and because I don't like sucking up all the extra fumes they create when they accelerate away form the lights (most of the time this is just before or after the work day, so their engines are always fully warmed up).
Mostly (and probably like most bikers) I lanesplit or otherwise carve up the traffic just because it's a buzz. Not a big enough buzz to get fined or squashed for though.

[NOMIS]

Good point, Dr Katman. :niceone:

Mostly (and probably like most bikers) I lanesplit or otherwise carve up the traffic just because it's a buzz. Not a big enough buzz to get fined or squashed for though.

I do it because im impatient,,, and yes there is the buzz factor but i feel unsafe apon getting to the buzz stage so I tend not to so much now

[James Deuce]

Oi, You throwing stones in glass houses - were you the GN rider I waved through last night?

[sbaker3]

Oi, You throwing stones in glass houses - were you the GN rider I waved through last night?
I rode the bicycle yesterday.

[James Deuce]

You rode the bicycle and you're calling the guy who tooted at you a psycho? Pot, meet kettle.

The only thing I hate sharing the road with more than a bicycle is the 92 year old bloke who drove up the Nauranga Gorge on the wrong side of the road and can't see anything wrong with that.

[sbaker3]

You rode the bicycle and you're calling the guy who tooted at you a psycho? Pot, meet kettle.

The only thing I hate sharing the road with more than a bicycle is the 92 year old bloke who drove up the Nauranga Gorge on the wrong side of the road and can't see anything wrong with that.
:niceone: "you're the winner"

[vtec]

Yeah, the "you're the winner" comment with the wave or thumbs up is always best supported with your most naughty, mischievious cheeky grin. Hehe, makes it hard for them to stay mad at you. And makes them embarrassed, cause you just humanised yourself. you are no longer just that fucking annoying bicycle that won't get to the side of the road because he's drafting the car in front.

[MarkH]

reason im saying "mr gn " is becuase there a certain gn and yellow burgman

Ahhh, a yellow Burgman - that explains it, they are the slowest ones. If it were a red Burgman you would not have a problem, the red ones are much faster! I lane split at a reasonable speed and will happily give room to a fellow biker to get past if it seems necessary.

[mattian]

Try not to let it burn you up inside..... there are plenty of hazards on the roads you have to worry about. If a biker uses their horn to let you know they are there doesn't mean they are being rude. It could just be a friendly...... "hello.... coming through" just move over and lets all be on our way in an orderly fashion :) I commute on my bike everyday here in Auckland city. I have never encountered arrogant bikers ..... alot of silly cagers though.

[hospitalfood]

the true splitter gets held up by none!
no noob, no bike, no car, no ambulance, nothing!

[vtec]

Yeah good point, over here in Melbourne people toot all the time, toot in Auckland and you'll have some Maori trying to bash your head in. Over here they do it to let people know that they are blocking the way, or to let them know that they have done something they don't like. If a biker gives you a blow on the horn, it's because he wants you to let him through. You can either get agitated or you can get helpful.

The horn is just to let someone know you are there, if you've got time to reach your horn, you've got time to evade whoever's trying to kill you.

[Swoop]

If you are a slow splitter check, you will often be holding someone up.
Which reminds me... With the weather getting better, we will soon see the seasonal riders emerging and holding up the professional filterer's...:shifty:

[mattian]

exactly....... I find a quick toot toot is alot more friendlier and means something like "hi... here I am, can you see me?" rather than a prolonged beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep which says something like "screw you asshole!"......haha.

[Kiwi Graham]

Which reminds me... With the weather getting better, we will soon see the seasonal riders emerging and holding up the professional filterer's...:shifty:

There out and about already!!! :shit:

[Guided_monkey]

Ok so after filtering to the front of the queue I should pull to one side for other bikers. So that puts you in the pedestrian pathway..... an offence. :Police:And now we piss off the pedestrians.

If there's a slower bike in front show some patience.:mellow:.... I commute every day. Not just fine days and I've been stuck behind everything from scooters to Harleys. Some people will be overly cautious... new to biking or just unused to the filtering game.

Recently, I've seen enough 'new' to biking, temporary NZ'ers. They act as if they're in there SUV, split at high speed with no thought to what their actions are doing to other users..... cagers and bikers.:spanking:

Rant over:done:

[Whynot]

I like to think of myself as the zen master of splitting. I worked as a bicycle and motorbike courier for two years. I've raced for a couple of years, and commuted 20k's each way on Auckland motorway network for years... at pace.
..... etc


Good post. :first:

I spent the best part of last year commuting in London, watching the couriers there teaches you a whole new meaning of the word splitting ....
I tried to keep up with them a few times ... didn't suceed, but learnt a fair bit about what to do and where you can go even in very heavy traffic and narrow streets.

[old git]

If you had bothered to look in the MIRRORS you would have seen him "on a quick lap" and left him or her room to blat past.........death pilot like their fun...after all they are only temporary citizens!!!!

[Squiggles]

While splitting in Auckland traffic i'd be alot more interested in whats infront of me and what all the crazy coonts are doing on my sides, whats behind me is the least of my worries, so ill ride my own ride. Only reason you should get stuck between two cars at the lights is if you choose to.

[Kendog]

When I split to the front at lights I am not pulling over in front of a car so other bikes can come up, that puts me in danger if they get pissed off and jump forward just as the green is about to show.

Just like all passing moves, it is the responsibility of the passer to pass where it is safe. If they can't split to the front because there are bikes there and they don't think it's safe, then don't split to the front.

[dipshit]

Just like all passing moves, it is the responsibility of the passer to pass where it is safe. If they can't split to the front because there are bikes there and they don't think it's safe, then don't split to the front.

But what if they are on a 07 CBR600..?? Doesn't that make them more important than a shity little GN250..??

[JohnR]

But what if they are on a 07 CBR600..?? Doesn't that make them more important than a shity little GN250..??

Yeah...:slap::kick:

[McJim]

I spent a year doing the Southern Motorway commute from Howick to Ponsnobby. Lots of lights coming through Mt. Wellington and lots of bikes. We all used to make room for each other at the front of the cars. Safety in numbers. None of the car drivers were going to fuck with 5 bikies.

And of course a lazy take off on a decent bike will leave most preformance cars for dust so it's not as though we were gonna hold anyone up.

If you're blocking lane 1a or 2a completely on a GN250 for example you are putting the rider behind at risk since there's a good chance that you will prevent that rider from reaching the safe zone in front of the traffic and leave him trapped between moving cars. Not big, not clever. If you are not going to be courteous to other bikes in this situation then please don't split.

Rant Over :Pokey:

[James Deuce]

If you're blocking lane 1a or 2a completely on a GN250 for example you are putting the rider behind at risk since there's a good chance that you will prevent that rider from reaching the safe zone in front of the traffic and leave him trapped between moving cars. Not big, not clever. If you are not going to be courteous to other bikes in this situation then please don't split.

Rant Over :Pokey:

Bollocks. In a nice way. Any 250cc motorcycle and up and quite a few scoots under that capacity have the capability to beat practically anything across an intersection with little effort. If a GN rider is splitting then they've already discovered this. I have way more trouble with n00b Hyo GV250 riders who have no clue what their mirrors are than anything except cyclists. There's a couple of lads in the Hutt on GVs who need to have a think about their technique. They have the right attitude but their Stituational Awareness needs work, as does their consistency.

Welly GN riders must be a different breed because they never hold me up and many times I get out of their way as I'm not comfortable splitting at much more than 10km/hr faster than the traffic flow. I have been known to go quicker, but I'm not comfortable with it.

There's an ex-racer in Wellington with one of NZ's most prestigious trophies on his shelf, who commutes on a GN. I couldn't keep up with him on a B-King.

We all have a responsibility to develop and utilise our situational awareness. There are always ways of maintaining your zone including pulling back into traffic if necessary.

[NOMIS]

Bollocks. In a nice way. Any 250cc motorcycle and up and quite a few scoots under that capacity have the capability to beat practically anything across an intersection with little effort. If a GN rider is splitting then they've already discovered this. I have way more trouble with n00b Hyo GV250 riders who have no clue what their mirrors are than anything except cyclists. There's a couple of lads in the Hutt on GVs who need to have a think about their technique. They have the right attitude but their Stituational Awareness needs work, as does their consistency.

Welly GN riders must be a different breed because they never hold me up and many times I get out of their way as I'm not comfortable splitting at much more than 10km/hr faster than the traffic flow. I have been known to go quicker, but I'm not comfortable with it.

There's an ex-racer in Wellington with one of NZ's most prestigious trophies on his shelf, who commutes on a GN. I couldn't keep up with him on a B-King.

We all have a responsibility to develop and utilise our situational awareness. There are always ways of maintaining your zone including pulling back into traffic if necessary.


Not if the person riding it cant ride for crap or have no ball's, which I seem to come across alot. No offence to GN riders but theres about 3 GN's im getting to know where I commute and they all hold me up im not going fast or being a maniac , then theres this lady on a wee scorpian who lets me through everytime and I always give her a Little wave to say thank you.

[James Deuce]

You can't read NOMIS, can you?

[Katman]

Not if the person riding it cant ride for crap or have no ball's, which I seem to come across alot.

Seems to me, your problem is you see motorcycling as a cock measuring contest.

[MarkH]

If you are not going to be courteous to other bikes in this situation then please don't split.

I would go further and say that if you are not going to be courteous to other motorists then stay the fuck of my road! :angry2: Honestly the blatant displays of discourteous driving I have come across in Auckland at times really disgusts me!

e.g.
Motorway with 3 lanes, I am in lane 2. I see a gap on my right and indicate to change lanes. The driver several car lengths back in the right lane responds to my indicator by speeding up to close the gap. This is when I am in the car. This is not a description of a single incident, it is several incidents at different times with different drivers doing the same thing. Man I feel like hurting someone when that pull that sort of shit! I still indicate, but I can understand why some drivers may have learnt that it is best not to. My technique is to indicate and watch the car further back on the right with my mirrors to make sure he isn't speeding up, if he does then I change lanes immediately (no waiting 3 seconds) because, well, fuck him! Of course on the bike it is a little different, mainly because there are more lanes to use and changing lanes is a lot easier.

[Kendog]

I spent a year doing the Southern Motorway commute from Howick to Ponsnobby. Lots of lights coming through Mt. Wellington and lots of bikes. We all used to make room for each other at the front of the cars. Safety in numbers. None of the car drivers were going to fuck with 5 bikies.

And of course a lazy take off on a decent bike will leave most preformance cars for dust so it's not as though we were gonna hold anyone up.

If you're blocking lane 1a or 2a completely on a GN250 for example you are putting the rider behind at risk since there's a good chance that you will prevent that rider from reaching the safe zone in front of the traffic and leave him trapped between moving cars. Not big, not clever. If you are not going to be courteous to other bikes in this situation then please don't split.

Rant Over :Pokey:

Well the lights I ride don't have that many bikes riding to the front, so I have never been in a situation with five odd bikes. But I have been in many situations where cars are creeping on the line beside me just itching for a race. Like fuck I am gonna ride round in front of them so a bike can split up into the gap I was in.

Like I said, the responsibility is on the rear rider to choose what they are doing. This also covers splitting when you catch up to a slower bike. I don't know about you guys but when I am splitting my attention is dedicated to what's in front and beside me e.g. making sure cars are not going to change lanes suddenly. I do check my mirrors from time to time, but its a lot less often than normal.

[NOMIS]

Seems to me, your problem is you see motorcycling as a cock measuring contest.

I dont have a chicken...

put i bet you i can pee further than you can. and no i don't its just how you prefer to read my messages actually ..

[PrincessBandit]

FFS, did all you master lane splitters and hot-off-the-green speed freaks never start somewhere in learning to do these things? I don't lane split at all because I'm not confident enough, but when I finally do take the step of tryng it I would be immensely pissed off if another biker took umbrage at me daring to hold them up. :finger: is all I can say to those of you who feel you're so fricken shit hot and "so past it all" compared to those of us just starting out. Get over yourselves.

[mattian]

Got to agree wholeheartedly with PrincessBandit.... Everyone starts somewhere!! and its not a contest.

[Nat]

Im a newbie but have often wondered why the 1st bike stopped at the lights doesn't move to the left or right a little to allow the other bikes filtering behind through....




Be careful when doing this: Make sure the light doesn't go green as you move across in front of a car at the front of the lights!