My thoughts on safer cornering, avoiding head'ons

[rocketman1]

My logic here may be wrong, but what I reckon is that by abiding by the principles of safe fast cornering, (for a right hand corner first up) enter wide and deep that is well to the left of the road, find the apex, and accelerate out. Now heres my point, if you in that position before entering a corner you have the width of your lane to try avoid the cager (turning left in this case) coming the other way and overshooting the corner, a cager will rarely be on the wrong side of the road entering a left hand corner. If you hug the white line, or ride in the middle of your side of the road ,you are more likely to get taken out by the cager swinging wide on the exit of the corner.
You will also get an earlier view of vehicles coming towards you, and if need be you can take the corner a bit wider and take avoidance action.
Now this not quite as good for the motorcyclist turning left, facing cagers turning right, If you brake wide and enter the left hand corner deep and wide (ie close to the white line you could get taken out by the cager or motorcyclist coming the other way, cutting the corner. It can be best to enter blind left handers closer to the "centre" of your side of the road. At least this gives you some contingency in distance, from the opposing traffic.
My thoughts! I just think its better than having no plan at all..

[skidMark]

all well and good in theory but with all the crap on the edges of the road id rather not be tipping my bike in from the left where there is all the grit etc...

would be great in theory but not very viable...

Ive come so close with head ons (cagers fault me taking a left them cutting a right fully onto my side)

my right mirror went over thier mirror, my knee clipped thier door....

and my left bar was hitting the roadside reflector sticks...

how i survived that one i will never know , if i had panicked and stood her up a would be dead...i just looked into the corner, cranked her over, and prayed. :(

moments like that i do not need.

:mad:

[James Deuce]

Right hand corner setup from left wheel track.

Left hand corner setup from right wheel track.

Good sense!

[BMWST?]

in a urban type setting i would enter a left hander at an intersection from pretty much the left....esp if a car is waiting to turn right,would use your line if there was no one waiting to turn right.

[Patar]

I know this is a public forum and everything, and it might just be me.
But I don't see the point in starting a new thread in the wrong sub forum for:
- Something that is pretty much common sense
- Something that has been discussed in much detail in a multitude of other threads

If people really have such a big problem staying on their own side of the road or with basic pronciples of riding they shouldn't be on the road.

Rant/Rave, I'm tired...

[scumdog]

I know this is a public forum and everything, and it might just be me.
But I don't see the point in starting a new thread in the wrong sub forum for:
- Something that is pretty much common sense
- Something that has been discussed in much detail in a multitude of other threads

If people really have such a big problem staying on their own side of the road or with basic pronciples of riding they shouldn't be on the road.

Rant/Rave, I'm tired...

Weelll... becorse there are certain sectors of the riding world that suffer from a great lack of so-called 'common sense' we have to lay it out in simple terms.

[Patar]

Weelll... becorse there are certain sectors of the riding world that suffer from a great lack of so-called 'common sense' we have to lay it out in simple terms.

I vote for letting the gene-o-klene sort them out.

[Gremlin]

Weelll... becorse there are certain sectors of the riding world that suffer from a great lack of so-called 'common sense' we have to lay it out in simple terms.
would they read this thread? :confused:

rocketman: re apex, you can make the apex of the corner anywhere you like, ie, for road riding, a late apex is best, leaving a lot of room for error

[Katman]

Weelll... becorse there are certain sectors of the riding world that suffer from a great lack of so-called 'common sense' we have to lay it out in simple terms........

.........over and over again.

:brick:

[Boob Johnson]

Right hand corner setup from left wheel track.

Left hand corner setup from right wheel track.

Good sense!
Damn straight................I mean corner :whistle:

[Subike]

I vote for letting the gene-o-klene sort them out.

looks like the gene-o-klene might get you first.

gota keep letting the children know the rules,

you know

those that still have to learn to grow bum fluff, who think they already know all there is about riding.
Right hand corner setup from left wheel track.
Left hand corner setup from right wheel track.

Done this for years, works well for this old fella

[Patar]

looks like the gene-o-klene might get you first.

gota keep letting the children know the rules,

you know

those that still have to learn to grow bum fluff, who think they already know all there is about riding.
Right hand corner setup from left wheel track.
Left hand corner setup from right wheel track.

Done this for years, works well for this old fella

what would you know about my riding ability?

All I was saying was that using the left wheel track for a right hander and visa versa should be common knowledge for anyone who has spent any amount of time on a motorbike... or driving a car.... hell even a push bike or anything with wheels.
If people can't figure out stuff like that for themselves I don't see how they could possibly have a license.

The OP figured it out for themselves as did pretty much everyone who rides a motorbike and I for one don't want to share the road with people who can't figure it out themselves.

[OutForADuck]

In wide, out tight, late apex, turn in to apex when the vanishing points runs off without you indicating corner is opening out (i.e. chasing the vanishing point).

Smooth, Fast, Safe and with room for adjustment (read avoiding that fool crossing the whites).

Should get a mantra going.... Wide, Late and Tight :done:

[CookMySock]

All this corner setup isn't required, unless you are moving at lightspeed. Try it - stay in your half lane absolutely regardless of the road - its not hard. It feels wrong but if you cannot do this most basic of exercises then the fact is you cannot steer.

In the case of an emergency, why not just steer around the obstacle with the bars ?

Most over-the-centerline head-ons that I am seeing are newbies who cannot steer, or don't have the gonads to bar push regardless of lean angle. The bike will corner much harder than they can.

Learn to steer with the bars. Learn to get past your fears.


Steve

[Katman]

Learn to steer with the bars. Learn to get past your fears.




Learn to not get into that situation in the first place.

[beyond]

The bike will corner much harder than they can.


Steve

Yeah it will and for newbies this is an issue. Trouble is for the experienced rider who pushs to the limit in many cases, there is no more lean angle left in reserve if they are riding at or near the limit and then oh yeah, it becomes a major issue and the bonnet normally gets a good pounding.

[CookMySock]

Learn to not get into that situation in the first place.Statistically Katman, we will all eventually visit that place. If we can't steer, we can't choose, and if we can't choose - we die.

Steve

[rocketman1]

[QUOTE=skidMark;1760587]all well and good in theory but with all the crap on the edges of the road id rather not be tipping my bike in from the left where there is all the grit etc...

appreciate the comment but i dont mean riding that far too the left...

[rocketman1]

[QUOTE=Patar;1760896]I know this is a public forum and everything, and it might just be me.
But I don't see the point in starting a new thread in the wrong sub forum for:
- Something that is pretty much common sense

mate i was gonna put it under the survival skills but nobody reads it.
I trust you corner better than most and dont need any advice. safe riding,