Where are you on the political map?

[Hitcher]

Find out by completing the attached quiz. You don't have to vote for the US presidency to get a score.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

[Big Dave]

Maps are for pansies. Chuck Norris knows the way.

[FJRider]

Whats a map ????

[Finn]

Bet you didn't expect this...

[slofox]

Libertarian....? is that the same as libertine.....?

[jrandom]

<img src="http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=1"/>

Peace out.

[Coyote]

Using percentages is a bit biased isn't it? I scored 100% for personal issues, but 20% for economic. So it's suggesting I'm for people, anti economy? I'm for economy, just against the people manipulating it to make eye wateringly rich people even incredibly more wealthy.

That 20% came from being against government bail outs. It's brilliant how the conservatives are trying to act like they're against being given money.

[jrandom]

It's brilliant how the conservatives are trying to act like they're against being given money.

True economic conservatives are against being 'given' money. Of course, it's always very hard for any given person or institution to apply that principle in their own case.

But, mmyes, the current Murkn bailout plan is a blatant pulling of the finger to classic market-driven capitalism, and an acknowledgement that when things really turn to shit, sometimes the State has to take control to minimise the misery and destruction that would result from allowing the issues to resolve themselves.

Interesting article here (http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20080930_political_nature_economic_crisis).

[idleidolidyll]

Find out by completing the attached quiz. You don't have to vote for the US presidency to get a score.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

you start this thread and don't post your own map?

that seems a bit naff

[Mom]

Peace out.

You too huh? Must be something in the water...:yes:

[idleidolidyll]

BTW: This is a far better questionnaire

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

in case you didn't already know, i'm in there with nelson mandela, the dalai lama and mahatma ghandi and diametrically opposite asswipes like bush and other capitalist abusers

[James Deuce]

I'm a boot stomping Nazi from way back.

Hurry up and build my autobahns bitches, or Ernst gets it!

[riffer]

Not enough questions to give an accurate assessment.

<img src=http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=8&e=6>

I don't think I'm as far left as the poll suggests.

edit. Tried the other poll. Perhaps I am that far to the left. Interesting.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
<img src = http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.00&soc=-2.00>

Bugger me. I'm Ghandi reincarnated.

[sAsLEX]

Bet you didn't expect this...

I note that thatcher and Hitler both fall in this sector, with Thatcher being alot further right , and Hitler being higher up the chart.

[Hitcher]

BTW: This is a far better questionnaire

Indeed. The one I posted is dodgy at best, having been promulgated by a libertarian web site.

[kiwifruit]

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<img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/27zggn5.png">

[Mully]

Indeed. The one I posted is dodgy at best, having been promulgated by a libertarian web site.

Shit.

Im not a Libertarian. I work in freight, not a place housing books.

[Coyote]

True economic conservatives are against being 'given' money. Of course, it's always very hard for any given person or institution to apply that principle in their own case.

But, mmyes, the current Murkn bailout plan is a blatant pulling of the finger to classic market-driven capitalism, and an acknowledgement that when things really turn to shit, sometimes the State has to take control to minimise the misery and destruction that would result from allowing the issues to resolve themselves.

Interesting article here (http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20080930_political_nature_economic_crisis).
That's a tricky read. 'Instruments' is a clever euphemism.

This explains things with simpler terms: http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/7487y/a_good_day_for_america_the_bail_out_has_been/c05n04c

[RantyDave]

No shit.

Dave

[Hitcher]

True economic conservatives are against being 'given' money. Of course, it's always very hard for any given person or institution to apply that principle in their own case.

But, mmyes, the current Murkn bailout plan is a blatant pulling of the finger to classic market-driven capitalism, and an acknowledgement that when things really turn to shit, sometimes the State has to take control to minimise the misery and destruction that would result from allowing the issues to resolve themselves.

The thing that annoys me most is a philosophy that allows the privatisation of profit and the socialisation of risk. Government intervention, while understandable, doesn't allow the cleansing jihad that the world's financial markets are long overdue for.

Fuck, I sound like a communist. Gahh! Thud.

[Trouser]

Right up there with Ghandi

[oldrider]

Bet you didn't expect this...

Exactly that the same as mine....! :shifty: John.

[Magua]

I'm as left leaning as Trouser, but slightly more libetarian.

[Unit]

Bet you didn't expect this...
I did the test. Apparently Im not as much as a Libertarian as you, but pretty close. Seems we are pretty much on the same page.

[Big Dave]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Draughts.svg/400px-Draughts.svg.png

[Forest]

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%.

[Slicksta]

mmmm almost in the middle

http://i38.tinypic.com/21j3xwi.png

[Trudes]

Nothing I didn't already suspect, centre-left.

[James Deuce]

The thing that annoys me most is a philosophy that allows the privatisation of profit and the socialisation of risk. Government intervention, while understandable, doesn't allow the cleansing jihad that the world's financial markets are long overdue for.

Fuck, I sound like a communist. Gahh! Thud.
I still think it's funny that Free Market Capitalism lead to state ownership of US banks.

I hope McCain wins and then announces a Five Year Plan.

My word, that would be amusing.

[Big Dave]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee147/ItzDucky/this-is-sparta.jpg

[Coyote]

The thing that annoys me most is a philosophy that allows the privatisation of profit and the socialisation of risk. Government intervention, while understandable, doesn't allow the cleansing jihad that the world's financial markets are long overdue for.

Fuck, I sound like a communist. Gahh! Thud.
I didn't know the idea of people making tonnes of money for themselves and getting others to pay for their mistakes being a bad thing was a communist ideal. I thought that was just plain common sense.


My word, that would be amusing.
I'd be like a train crash. You know you shouldn't look, but you can't help it out of morbid curiosity.

Edit:
<img src="http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.75&soc=-2.26">

Very similar to Riffer. Is that a good or bad thing?

[alanzs]

On the edge.

[Hitcher]

I didn't know the idea of people making tonnes of money for themselves and getting others to pay for their mistakes being a bad thing was a communist ideal. I thought that was just plain common sense.

When it's the taxpayer providing the money, it's communism.

[Dargor]

Those maps you guys found suck, they dont have enough dimensions.
Here's one a map i found, but dont ask me to tell you how it works.

[idleidolidyll]

When it's the taxpayer providing the money, it's communism.

say duh!

communism is quite a specific brand of extreme socialism in which all work is collectivised and managed by government.

the ignorance surrounding political definitions is deeply ingrained.

taxpayer contributions to society in general is socialist by nature except when it's bailing out capitalist failures: then it's just a fucking crime and the most hypocritical abuse of a political system

[MisterD]

That political compass analysis of NZ this year is a pile of bollocks ('scuse my French). The Labour party are far more Authoritarian than that for example: trampling all over private property rights over Akld airport; anti-smacking; legislating against free speech...

I suspect that site is run by raving lefties.

[idleidolidyll]

That political compass analysis of NZ this year is a pile of bollocks ('scuse my French). The Labour party are far more Authoritarian than that for example: trampling all over private property rights over Akld airport; anti-smacking; legislating against free speech...

I suspect that site is run by raving lefties.

ahmmm, the 'anti smacking' bill was a Green Party bill.

I reckon it's about right. Labour is far less authoritarian than National, ACT or those strange people in United Future.

By definition of course, ALL politicians are authoritarian; they all want to tell you how to run your life.

[MisterD]

ahmmm, the 'anti smacking' bill was a Green Party bill.

It was a whipped vote for Labour.



I reckon it's about right. Labour is far less authoritarian than National, ACT or those strange people in United Future.

By definition of course, ALL politicians are authoritarian; they all want to tell you how to run your life.

If you actually look at voting patterns in the house on social issues, ACT and the Greens vote quite similarly...but then lefties love to portray an insistance on personal responsibility as somehow "authoritarian", I don't get it myself.

[idleidolidyll]

begging the question, appeals to common cause, false dilemma and bandwagons are pretty typical fallacies in debates: congratulations, you're very ordinary

[MisterD]

begging the question, appeals to common cause, false dilemma and bandwagons are pretty typical fallacies in debates: congratulations, you're very ordinary

Oh look he's run off to debate analysis again.

[ManDownUnder]

Bet you didn't expect this...

That's you own fault for asking Disco for directions I centerist left (80 and 40)

[idleidolidyll]

Oh look he's run off to debate analysis again.

indeed, why bother when your 'opponent' has such a weak case all they can offer is fallacy?

[The Pastor]

STATISTS want government to have a great deal of power

over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently

doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom

are practical options in today's world. Statists tend to distrust

the free market, support high taxes and centralized

planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles,

and question the importance of civil liberties.








Couldnt be more wrong if it tried to be LOL

[MisterD]

indeed, why bother when your 'opponent' has such a weak case all they can offer is fallacy?

I asked why two parties with very similar voting patterns on social issues are ranked so differently on the "authoritarian / libertarian axis". You run away calling it a debating fallacy...what-evah.

[Lias]

I'm as authroitarian as ever, but I seem to be slipping to the left a notch or two.

[Indiana_Jones]

say duh!

communism is quite a specific brand of extreme socialism in which all work is collectivised and managed by government.

the ignorance surrounding political definitions is deeply ingrained.

taxpayer contributions to society in general is socialist by nature except when it's bailing out capitalist failures: then it's just a fucking crime and the most hypocritical abuse of a political system


<img src="http://lolgasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/my-hair-is-a-bird.jpg">

-Indy