Te Kuiti cop: taking him 2 court [Archive]

slamdog

12th October 2008, 16:09

Ok this is big bitch, was heading to Tauranga on Friday 10 October just gone past the turn of that heads towards Toupo ( just south of Te Kuiti) and some on coming traffic flashed there lights to let me know about the cop that sits on that strait all the time.
I was following a Ute as I went past doing under 100 after going round the first corner I past the Ute before heading down the twisty bumpy part as I got down the bottom of the hill my radar beeped looking down I was doing 106 so kept going at about 105 as I got near the end of the little strait I looked in the mirror & saw him just coming onto the strait, as I came into the 75k corner I had just come up on 2 cars and as we exited the corner I blipped it past them and headed down the strait at a speed no more than 106ks as I new the cop was coming behind me as we where going down the big strait I could not see if he was still coming as the cars behind me blocked my view until we where three quarters down the strait I saw him passing the 2 cars as he got past the last car he put his lights on and pulled me up.
I was happy to pull up as I did nothing wrong.
The first thing he hit me up for was my number plat that is not standard and said he was going to give me a ticket for that then he said he was giving me a ticket for doing 115 down the big strait. I then got pissed and said fuck of as I made sure I did not speed and the fastest I got up to was 106 down the strait.
so I am taking this to court.
I am paying the fine for the number plate as fears fear but the speed he is taking the piss out of me

FJRider

12th October 2008, 16:15

DID you have a look at the reading on his radar ???
Can you guarantee the accuracy of YOUR speedo ???

Katman

12th October 2008, 16:20

fears fear

Fuck me, I despair.

Grub

12th October 2008, 16:21

kiwifruit

12th October 2008, 16:22

Speed kills buddy, slow down :yes:

R6_kid

12th October 2008, 16:28

slamdog

12th October 2008, 16:29

No as that does not mater with the new laws, he did not offer and I did not ask.
I did not need to as I WAS NOT doing that speed.
he did not Evan have his radar on when he got to the strait as my radar detector did not go of once down it

slamdog

12th October 2008, 16:34

If he didn't offer you the opportunity to look at it ... it didn't exist..

p.s. How sure are you that your speedo isn't reading 10kmh low? Have you (or a previous owner) ever changed either sprockets or tyres from standard?

I got a ticket 3 weeks a go for 114ks and my Speedo said 114 when I saw the cop so its spot on but I am getting it calibrated this week to cheek.

slamdog

12th October 2008, 16:41

FTP! :2guns: :Police:

I wouldn't be too quick to pay the fine on your number plate. Write in to contest it and say that you weren't aware there we're laws regarding whatever is 'illegal' about it... and say that you are happy to comply with the legislation if they can point you in the right direction... Worth a try anyway.

I was guilty for that and I new it so it was a risk I took so I don't care about that one, if you know me im not a person to cry wolf.
The only thing that's got me F#*KED is him lying about me speeding

pete376403

12th October 2008, 20:53

henry

12th October 2008, 20:55

Mom

12th October 2008, 21:04

.....Ok this is big bitch....

Stop and take a few breaths mate! Seriously you need to slow down. If you ride like you post you were way over the limit. A few commas and full stops would have helped slow you down, and make it easier for us to read what your post was about :yes:

Fuck me, I despair.

Constructive as always :first:

I got a ticket 3 weeks a go for 114ks and my Speedo said 114 when I saw the cop so its spot on but I am getting it calibrated this week to cheek.

Ok, so three weeks ago you got a ticket for speeding, you now have a radar detector so you can "slow down" if you are about to get pinged. Crazy thought here, have you actually thought about obeying the speed limit?

Boob Johnson

12th October 2008, 21:22

In Slamdog's defense he didn't produce proof of said speed nor offer, in my experience they always offer to show you or are happy to when asked.

ps: that cop is a well known asshole. Many a thread has been started about him in many different forums.

Mom

12th October 2008, 21:24

Boob Johnson

12th October 2008, 21:27

Does he have red hair???
Dunno never slowed down enough to notice :laugh:

slamdog

12th October 2008, 21:59

Stop and take a few breaths mate! Seriously you need to slow down. If you ride like you post you were way over the limit. A few commas and full stops would have helped slow you down, and make it easier for us to read what your post was about :yes:

Constructive as always :first:

Ok, so three weeks ago you got a ticket for speeding, you now have a radar detector so you can "slow down" if you are about to get pinged. Crazy thought here, have you actually thought about obeying the speed limit?

sorry for not being perfect with my spelling but I do my best as I am alliterate if that's ok with YOU

and my POINT is I WAS NOT SPEEDING so I was doing the speed limit

slamdog

12th October 2008, 22:22

Sure the ticket wasn't for punctuation, grammar and spelling?

Unless your plate was totally illegible then I wouldn't be such a hurry to pay that either. I've looked and can't find anything that states the specs for a legal number plate.

When you say 'blipped it past' what exactly does that mean?

when I blipped it past, we came out of the corner I went from under 70ks up to 100ks and pulled back in.
Before going into the corner the cop was still a long way back and once you are around the corner there is a big ass hill you go behind and it was after this that I past so even if I was speeding at that point I would have not been picked up.
The cop said I was doing 115ks ALL the way down the strait

Boob Johnson

12th October 2008, 22:30

when I blipped it past, we came out of the corner I went from under 70ks up to 100ks and pulled back in.
Before going into the corner the cop was still a long way back and once you are around the corner there is a big ass hill you go behind and it was after this that I past so even if I was speeding at that point I would have not been picked up.
The cop said I was doing 115ks ALL the way down the strait
He's got to have a reading, right?

Did he mention anything about double yellows etc? Or was it just speeding?

If that's exactly how it went down SD then fair play to you. Certainly helped in more ways than one to have a radar aye

slamdog

12th October 2008, 22:36

When people say its your own fault for speeding, I FULL AGREE.
You do the crime then don't mown when you have to do the time.

But as I am 100 percent certain that I was not speeding I WILL BE FU#KED if im going to do the time.

Slyer

12th October 2008, 22:41

I don't know why you're bothering to censor your swear words.
And yeah, being wrongfully fined sucks ass. Letting it slide encourages them.

slamdog

12th October 2008, 22:43

He's got to have a reading, right?

Did he mention anything about double yellows etc? Or was it just speeding?

If that's exactly how it went down SD then fair play to you. Certainly helped in more ways than one to have a radar aye

No first thing was the number plate the next was the speed that's it.

And I only mentioned the radar because that is one more thing I was using as proof

Patar

12th October 2008, 22:45

If he didn't offer you the opportunity to look at it ... it didn't exist..

p.s. How sure are you that your speedo isn't reading 10kmh low? Have you (or a previous owner) ever changed either sprockets or tyres from standard?

To drag this off topic, but how on earth would changing the sprockets make the speedo read wrong? Correct my if I am misinformed by the speed is measured by the rpm of the front wheel, so only changes in the diameter of the front wheel will affect the speedo reading? right?

Boob Johnson

12th October 2008, 22:52

No first thing was the number plate the next was the speed that's it.

And I only mentioned the radar because that is one more thing I was using as proof
Yeah all good, was ignoring the plate thing as you said, twas pushing it. The speeding is a separate thing. He hasn't a reading, he hasn't cited you for dangerous riding, crossing double yellows hex cet era hex cet era. He should get a rather big slap on the botty for having that put before the courts. What a waste of our tax payers dollars, the current gubber mint don't need any help in doing that :bash:

slamdog

12th October 2008, 22:57

To drag this off topic, but how on earth would changing the sprockets make the speedo read wrong? Correct my if I am misinformed by the speed is measured by the rpm of the front wheel, so only changes in the diameter of the front wheel will affect the speedo reading? right?

On different bikes it can be from the front wheel, back wheel, or of the end of the drive shaft that has the front sprocket on it.

My one is of the back wheel and I will be getting it cheeked and using this in my evidence.
If I am wrong about my Speedo I will stop and apologize to the cop and get a pic of me doing so and post it on here.

Conquiztador

12th October 2008, 23:14

I hate to say this, but doing 101 in a 100 zone is speeding...

TimeOut

13th October 2008, 06:04

To drag this off topic, but how on earth would changing the sprockets make the speedo read wrong? Correct my if I am misinformed by the speed is measured by the rpm of the front wheel, so only changes in the diameter of the front wheel will affect the speedo reading? right?

On a lot of modern bikes the speedo reading is taken from the out put shaft of the gearbox, so changing sprockets makes a big difference.

As for the cop if he wants to lie your screwed, even if he shows you a speed how do you know it's yours (this sounds more likely as he didn't have it on down the straight) In some countries the radar unit takes a photo when the speed is locked we need this here:soon:

mokomoa112

13th October 2008, 06:11

The filth are known for tampering with evidence believe it or not..

DUCATI*HARD

13th October 2008, 07:10

NOT GUILTY BRO!!!:Punk:

slimjim

13th October 2008, 07:21

the filth didn't offer you to sight radar read...fuck him..take it to court...another clear reason why so much hate is towards the Blue gang..

nodrog

13th October 2008, 07:32

goodluck getting off the ticket

Cajun

13th October 2008, 07:37

Sprocket change should not affect speedo reading as most bikes speedo is driven from front wheel.

most modern bikes run of front sprocket drive, so changing sprockets does mess them up

Naki Rat

13th October 2008, 07:39

Fuck me, I despair.

"Ok this is big bitch, was heading to Tauranga on Friday 10 October just gone past the turn off that heads towards Taupo ( just south of Te Kuiti) and some oncoming traffic flashed their lights to let me know about the cop that sits on that straight all the time.
I was following a Ute as I went past doing under 100 after going round the first corner I passed the Ute before heading down the twisty bumpy part as I got down the bottom of the hill my radar beeped looking down I was doing 106 so kept going at about 105 as I got near the end of the little straight I looked in the mirror & saw him just coming onto the straight, as I came into the 75k corner I had just come up on 2 cars and as we exited the corner I blipped it past them and headed down the straight at a speed no more than 106ks as I knew the cop was coming behind me as we were going down the big straight I could not see if he was still coming as the cars behind me blocked my view until we were three quarters down the straight I saw him passing the 2 cars as he got past the last car he put his lights on and pulled me up.
I was happy to pull up as I did nothing wrong.
The first thing he hit me up for was my number plate that is not standard and said he was going to give me a ticket for that then he said he was giving me a ticket for doing 115 down the big straight. I then got pissed and said fuck off as I made sure I did not speed and the fastest I got up to was 106 down the straight.
so I am taking this to court.
I am paying the fine for the number plate as fair's fair but the speed he is taking the piss out of me"

Probably missed some, and I'm not even going to start on the punctuation omissions. :doh:

The standard of literacy in posts never ceases to amaze, and this is a stunner.:shit: If you intend pursuing this in court do yourself a favour and get any written submissions from you checked so the magistrate can actually understand what it is you claim not to have done :slap:

roogazza

13th October 2008, 07:52

sorry for not being perfect with my spelling but I do my best as I am alliterate if that's ok with YOU

Just make sure you have a Lawyer who is not ALLITERATE ! I'm sure you'll be fine ? G.

imdying

13th October 2008, 08:04

Sprocket change should not affect speedo reading as most bikes speedo is driven from front wheel.

Maybe back in the eighties...

Tank

13th October 2008, 08:44

......... down the bottom of the hill my radar beeped looking down I was doing 106 so kept going at about 105 as I got near the end of the little strait .......at a speed no more than 106ks as I new the cop was coming behind me as we where going down the big strait I could not see if he was still .......and said he was going to give me a ticket for that then he said he was giving me a ticket for doing 115 down the big strait. I then got pissed and said fuck of as I made sure I did not speed and the fastest I got up to was 106 down the strait.
.

But as I am 100 percent certain that I was not speeding I WILL BE FU#KED if im going to do the time.

OK - lets start with the last quote first - you cannot be "100% certain that you were not speeding" when you keep saying you were doing 106km - fact is that you were speeding. No point saying you are 100% in the right when you quite clearly state you were breaking the law.

So the variance between your 'view' and the cops 'view' is only 9km ph - many speedo's can be out by that much in fact many speedo's read 10% out direct from the factory - which points to his reading quite possibly being correct.

Sorry guy that you got caught - but you cannot argue that you were doing less than the speed limit without lying in court - so toughen up and take the ticket.

pritch

13th October 2008, 09:13

Don't pick on the original poster, the standard of English in this whole thread could be used to demonstrate that the education system is failing. But we knew that anyway...:whistle:

Most of the advice is incorrect as well. I'm sure our resident :Police: will confirm that there is no requirement for the officer to show you the radar reading. He can, but there is no compulsion.

The Police don't have to have a radar reading, I'm sure they can resort to old tech such as following you and checking your speed.

Having said all that, there is an over enthusiastic operator in the area in question and there is a previous thread where a rider was almost run off the road and later had the subsequent charges dismissed in court.

If you really want to go to court, get a lawyer. Otherwise it'd be cheaper to pay up and learn what you can from the experience.

And don't tell me you can't start a sentence with "but", or "and".
I can.:devil2:

Gubb

13th October 2008, 09:32

How do you intend to prove you we're only doing 106, when the Cop says otherwise?

Sworn-officer of the law vs Some guy with a history of speeding.

Do you actually have any proof?

Grub

13th October 2008, 09:36

To drag this off topic, but how on earth would changing the sprockets make the speedo read wrong? ?

They can be from anyplace these days. I was just thinking of anything that would change the on-road gearing

Goblin

13th October 2008, 09:36

Since when has KiwiBiker been a forum only for people who spell and punctuate to perfection? Christ, you lot picking on spelling oughta get a life! Nothing better to do than try to make yourselves look all superior. Dyslexia is common. Get over yourselves!

Good luck in court Slamdog. If I were you I'd fight the number plate issue too. Take pics to prove it is visible and readable. Sounds like the cop just hates bikers.

Goblin

13th October 2008, 10:10

Sworn-officer of the law vs Some guy with a history of speeding.

Yeah like sworn officers NEVER lie! Tui anyone?

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10537054

Tank

13th October 2008, 10:16

Good luck in court Slamdog. If I were you I'd fight the number plate issue too. Take pics to prove it is visible and readable. Sounds like the cop just hates bikers.

He has taken pics - have a look at his profile - a couple of things a bloody obvious (assuming that this is the bike he was pinged on):

1 - That is a nice looking bike.
2 - When hes riding it the plate is in no way going to be reasonable visible.

I believe that hes got no chance of getting off.

Sounds more like KB'ers that just hate cops and are willing to assume that they are all 'out to get them'.

Personal responsibility people - the guy has a plate in a position thats hard to see - his choice - but dont waaaaaaa when he gets caught. Anyone that believes that the plate is in a legal (being fully visible etc) needs their head read - how can you recommend going to court with that?? Talk about bush lawyers!!!

He speeds - big deal - take the ticket like a man.

CookMySock

13th October 2008, 10:46

nodrog

13th October 2008, 10:56

if its the same cop i am thinking of you have probably have no chance in getting off, he does everything by the book (to the point of even giving his wife a speeding ticket). just because he did not offer to show you a radar reading, doesnt mean he does not have one, or he could have paced you with his car.

unless it is your last demerit points, i cant see any point in fighting it, the fine will be way less than what it will cost to fight it, and even if you win its not like you have taught him any kind of lesson, he still gets paid to sit in court all day.

henry

13th October 2008, 11:12

Writing a letter is often enough for the cops to put it in the too hard basket. Don't be an arsehole about it because that will just antagonise them and don't mention court. Be polite and get your mum to check your spelling. If that doesn't work I'd pay up because you're guilty.

Of course the cop could be reading this in which case you're screwed both ways.

scuzeme

13th October 2008, 11:12

Life is about getting what you want, not doing what you're told.

Steve

Most profound thing ive heard all week you should make it your sig mate.

In regards to the Police officer and the ticket its swings and roundabouts mate you cant fight the man and win and even if you do its prolly gunna cost you $$$.
A friend of mine got pulled over after being clocked doing 180+ on his lovely 999s the cop could have made him walk home instead he ticketed him for 130kmh.
I have been pulled over for dangerous driving and got off and ive also lost my license way back for exceeding demerit points all for speeding.

You have to take the good with the bad and be philosophical will thats what i reckon.

Good luck if you fight it hope you win.

sidecar bob

13th October 2008, 11:20

Hey slammy,
I rekon you were doing more than 106 when you passed the van & trailer on the back wheel just out of Blenheim. Maybe that speedo does need calibrating. :spanking::laugh:

SlideMoto

13th October 2008, 11:36

Sprocket change should not affect speedo reading as most bikes speedo is driven from front wheel.
Yeah. In the fifties maybe :D

Boob Johnson

13th October 2008, 14:00

Most of the advice is incorrect as well. I'm sure our resident :Police: will confirm that there is no requirement for the officer to show you the radar reading. He can, but there is no compulsion.

The Police don't have to have a radar reading, I'm sure they can resort to old tech such as following you and checking your speed
Good to know, always thought they had to have a reading, doesn't stop them from saying you were operating the vehicle in a dangerous manor, struth with the new boy racer laws they can pretty much ticket you for wearing a Hawaiian shirt in winter ffs lol.

ps: to all those people having a go at Slammy about grammar etc leave it out already! Some of the brightest minds the world has ever known have had dyslexia (why is it sooooo hard to spell??? Oh the irony lol) so please leave it out eh. I personally know two people who are extremely successful in business but can't spell for shit, one of them is a good mate from way back & he would just laugh in your face if you hassled him about spelling, then show you his bank account before spraying rubber in your face with his Aston Martin for good measure :laugh:

pps: Slammy you can install a spell checker to your browser (I use mozilla), extremely helpful when a brain fart blocks the correct spelling :niceone:

boomer

13th October 2008, 14:16

BIGBOSSMAN

13th October 2008, 14:23

Personal responsibility people - the guy has a plate in a position thats hard to see - his choice - but dont waaaaaaa when he gets caught. Anyone that believes that the plate is in a legal (being fully visible etc) needs their head read

Mate, I reckon Ray Charles could see that plate!!!

yungatart

13th October 2008, 14:34

How is doing 106 kph NOT speeding? The speed limit in NZ is 100 kph...anything in excess of that IS speeding.

Pay the ticket...you did do the "crime", now you have to do the time...

Tank

13th October 2008, 15:22

Nar man, get off the damn thing. You don't have to prove anything since you are not making the allegation. If its about money, then it will be cheaper to pay it in this case. If its about the principle and the game of it, then fight it.

Step one is always calling the officers bluff on the roadside - something like "no mate - thats not proof" or "no I wasn't travelling at that speed - I'll deny that in a court of law." Basically make it look like a lot of hard work for nothing for them with an afternoon in court as well.

Step two - wait for the computer printed infringement notice and back on the bluff - "I was not travelling at the alleged speed. I have legal advice and I will defend myself in a court of law."

In court, state that you explained the situation to the irate officer at the scene but he would hear no logic, and that you further explained this in writing which was ignored also, so now you are explaining it to the judge, and that officers assumption in this case is simply incorrect.

I recently got pinged for 119k - I just grinned and paid it. I ran straight into oncoming radar on a straight carless road. <_< He also did me for breach of licence conditions (400bux) as my exemption had actually expired, but I wriggled my way out of that one.

Life is about getting what you want, not doing what you're told.

Steve

So lets assume that it goes to court.

He either has to say - Yes your honour - I was speeding - just not by that much or

Lie under oath and say he wasnt speeding.

The first one aint going to get him out of a ticket - thats obvious. At the very best he gets a reduced fixed fine and it saves him the difference of $50 for the speeds we are talking here.

Telling porkies under oath isn't exactly a great idea either.

It makes me sick - when I see people who have been given leanency (like you not getting ticketed for the $400 for being out of licence conditions) then go out of your way to try and make it difficult for the same people who cut you some slack. If fact youre recommending:

"In court, state that you explained the situation to the irate officer at the scene"

Where the fuck did he say that the cop was irate? - (think about it why the fuck would a cop be irate for pulling over a fucken speeder?)

Kama is a bitch..... Looks like you are heading to the wrong side.

At least you didnt recommed that the original poster throw his toys out of the cot and "take it International", or burst into tears - so at least you are getting a little better.

Tank

13th October 2008, 15:37

The first thing he hit me up for was my number plat that is not standard and said he was going to give me a ticket for that .............I am paying the fine for the number plate as fears fear

FTP! :2guns: :Police:

I wouldn't be too quick to pay the fine on your number plate. Write in to contest it and say that you weren't aware there we're laws regarding whatever is 'illegal' about it... and say that you are happy to comply with the legislation if they can point you in the right direction... Worth a try anyway.

Just because you cannot find it - doesn't mean that its not there :lol: and ignorance of the law is not a defence.

Good luck in court Slamdog. If I were you I'd fight the number plate issue too. Take pics to prove it is visible and readable.

Looks like its not standard and Slamdog has already said that thats a fair cop - taking pics when its a 'modified' plate probably isn't going to help.

Mate, I reckon Ray Charles could see that plate!!!

ohhh - Id bet a winning lottery ticket thats not right. :lol:

OK - its not 'too bad' - and I have defiantly seen a lot worse - but I doubt that its 'legal' - having said that the fact that it sounds like its been trimmed or something and as its in a 'less than optimal' position the copper probally thought - thats a $xxx please.

scumdog

13th October 2008, 15:44

the filth didn't offer you to sight radar read...fuck him..take it to court...another clear reason why so much hate is towards the Blue gang..

Hey, I don't hate them....;)

CookMySock

13th October 2008, 16:17

Kama is a bitch..... Looks like you are heading to the wrong side.Heh, you are so full of personal development advice aren't you. I think if you want to give up, roll over, and give in, well be my guest. It will be me in line behind you, making what was yours, mine - I have no qualms about that. :laugh:

Steve

BIGBOSSMAN

13th October 2008, 16:34

ohhh - Id bet a winning lottery ticket thats not right. :lol:

OK - its not 'too bad' - and I have defiantly seen a lot worse - but I doubt that its 'legal' - having said that the fact that it sounds like its been trimmed or something and as its in a 'less than optimal' position the copper probally thought - thats a $xxx please.

Well, it's easily visible from the rear (or sides) of the bike. The only issue would be if the rider was being followed by the Eagle chopper, and it'd be impossible to view the plate anyway!
I can't see what the problem is:confused: it can be seen from behind just like any other plate!
The Fruity one's dad successfully blew his numberplate ticket out of court http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=54716
and I reckon you'd have to be a fricken flounder to read it, so what is the issue here? Orwellian control over us lowly serfs??

boomer

13th October 2008, 16:41

Fatjim

13th October 2008, 16:42

have you actually thought about obeying the speed limit?

You are joking? right?

Matt_TG

13th October 2008, 17:34

People seem to think that Police hate being told how to do their job. They love it and respond appropriately - usually by digging their toes in.

I've been on a few shifts with Police (admittedly not traffic) and lost count of how many "lawyer wannabies" are out there. Mostly pissed hot heads in their early twenties who have supposedly done (or started and not finished) a law degree and 'know their rights'. Usually they are asked why they are not lawyers now - it shuts them up.

Then when they get put in a cell to cool off they get all verbal again ... seeing them stumble out into the daylight at 7am is worth it, they look sorry for themselves and not as full of bravado as the night before.

Not that KBers ride pissed, but although different circumstances the face to face confrontations are what makes the job ... it's a long day / night without some action. It's up to you as to whether you want your local copper's job to be boring or action packed. Your best form of punishment is to make it boring for him - there will certainly be others out there who will take your place.

By reacting there and then (the DangerousBastard method of community spirit) you're giving him something to look forward to ... and maybe next time he's sat in his car counting down the hours he'll look for you to go through it again.

Your call.

PS: Spelling and grammar aint the be all and end all but it gets points across better - to those who can spell and write proper :msn-wink:

CookMySock

13th October 2008, 17:47

By reacting there and then (the DangerousBastard method of community spirit) you're giving him something to look forward to ... and maybe next time he's sat in his car counting down the hours he'll look for you to go through it again.That is one of the best summaries of the cops attitude I have ever seen. Nice description!

Steve

Goblin

13th October 2008, 17:59

I've been on a few shifts with Police (admittedly not traffic) and lost count of how many "lawyer wannabies" are out there. Mostly pissed hot heads in their early twenties who have supposedly done (or started and not finished) a law degree and 'know their rights'. Usually they are asked why they are not lawyers now - it shuts them up. Or the older, clint rickards type.

kiwi cowboy

13th October 2008, 18:00

Somebody from International headquarters tell me what this dick head just said please..??!

:laugh::laugh::laugh::stupid:

scumdog

13th October 2008, 18:05

That is one of the best summaries of the cops attitude I have ever seen. Nice description!

Steve

Hell yes, one of THE reasons to join - to make a p.i.a.bastards life a p.i.a. for hime too.:2thumbsup:woohoo::nya:

Cr1MiNaL

13th October 2008, 18:33

Well I always said FTP ! ;)

Tank

13th October 2008, 18:49

Heh, you are so full of personal development advice aren't you.

Well - some people need it. For you - Id suggest dropping the hello kitty t-shirt in your profile pic - stop telling people that you own a ho'bag (oops I see you changed your profile to 'a red one' to make it less obvious - good start), and prozac - loads and loads of prozac.

I think if you want to give up, roll over, and give in, well be my guest.

LOL - Im not a quitter - I just know what battles to pick - fighting something like this is for what I like to call 'the little people'.

It will be me in line behind you, making what was yours, mine - I have no qualms about that. :laugh:

Dude - some manage to be successful without left overs and sloppy seconds :lol You could only get what I choose to leave behind.

spudchucka

13th October 2008, 19:05

Step one is always calling the officers bluff on the roadside - something like "no mate - thats not proof" or "no I wasn't travelling at that speed - I'll deny that in a court of law." Basically make it look like a lot of hard work for nothing for them with an afternoon in court as well.

Laughing at the verbal droppings of brainless hicks is one of the only reasons I check into Kiwibiker these days and you never fail to provide a substantial pile of it for my entertainment. Thanks, keep it up.

Call their bluff? How many times in the average police career do you think a cop hears pathetic excuses and attempts to "bush lawyer" up on the road side? The reality is it just sets of alarm bells that scream out "here's another blow hard half wit that thinks he knows it all".

slamdog

13th October 2008, 19:09

OK again like I said the number plate thing is a fair bust and I said that from the start, so that's $200.00 I am happy to pay and I told the cop that at the start.
I am very polite towards police as they are just doing there job, but when this guy said I was doing 115 all the way down the straight that is when I got politely shitty.

The cop said nothing about me speeding until AFTER he said he was giving me the ticket for the plate.
Then he said = and im giving you a ticket for doing 115ks ALL the way down the straight.

To me that was just shit, when the fastest I got up to on the straight was 106ks ( yes that is over the speed limit) as I new the cop was coming.
So if I got a ticket for 106 I would have just sucked it up.

Just because I am not a cop does not mean that I can not be right about this one.

The same cop pulled me up about two years before as he could not see my plate until he came up behind me.
When he got out of his car he said its all good I thought you had no plate but I could see it when I got behind you.
We the talked about my bike for at lest 20min, he had no problems with my bike this day and he even asked to site on my bike.
When I reminded him of this he said nothing and just ignored me.

davereid

13th October 2008, 19:29

Call their bluff? How many times in the average police career do you think a cop hears pathetic excuses and attempts to "bush lawyer" up on the road side? The reality is it just sets of alarm bells that scream out "here's another blow hard half wit that thinks he knows it all".

Yep, good advice.

You should always go to court if you didn't do the offence.

But screaming at the cop on the side of the road won't help.

Quietly deny the offence.

Questions like "why were you speeding" are NOT the cop giving you a chance to produce an adequate reason. They are just the cop asking you for a confession, which he will write on the ticket.

He won't let you off, he will just record that "dickhead said he was speeding 'cos he was <passing a car.. it was safe... insert confession here>"

Rules...

- Ride in a group...
- Choose roads that are underpoliced...
- Choose roads that twist, and turn, and thus naturally make your speed vary...
- Only tail-end charlie stops...and he politely insists he wasnt speeding
- never admit anything
- every group ride you go on, toss $5 in the kitty. Use it to defend every ticket..

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.

In 4 weeks, the cop will have issued dozens of tickets. If you don't stand out in his memory, he will be hard pressed to remember anything. He'll claim he picked you out of a line of traffic.. but he won't remember the weather, the colour of your helmet, or if you had a passenger.

You dont have to prove you werent speeding. You only have to cast doubt on any aspect of the ticket, to get off.

Even if you lose, the fine may not be any higher. Sometimes the court imposed fine is lower.

But even if you lose, we all win.

They can only write a dozen tickets a day, because you pay em.

If they all cost the cop half a day in court, they would only bother with real speeders, not just bikers who do 115 passing a truck.

CookMySock

14th October 2008, 06:05

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.What is the theory behind this one?

You dont have to prove you werent speeding. You only have to cast doubt on any aspect of the ticket, to get off. [list of stuff trimmed]Gawd you are going to get some abuse posting that great list of stuff..

Steve

nadroj

14th October 2008, 07:03

One of the down sides of riding a customized bike is 'drawing attention to ones-self'. The said officer and yourself were at the same place at the wrong time for you.
Pay - it's not worth the time & expence to stand up to the prick unfortunately.

nodrog

14th October 2008, 07:15

- Only tail-end charlie stops.......

i dont know how that works, every group ride i have been on that has been pulled over the copper comes in from behind, you pull over to stop and he goes past you and on to the next guy who pulls over, etc, etc, until he gets to the front bike, then pulls that guy over and expects everybody else to stop.

xgnr

14th October 2008, 07:21

so... here it is ... conclusive proof

nodrog

14th October 2008, 07:25

so... here it is ... conclusive proof

whats with the pink arm band? is that some sort of bacon grading tag?

CookMySock

14th October 2008, 07:30

i dont know how that works, every group ride i have been on that has been pulled over the copper comes in from behind, you pull over to stop and he goes past you and on to the next guy who pulls over, etc, etc, until he gets to the front bike, then pulls that guy over and expects everybody else to stop.Gawd wheres my fucken cluestick.. I haven't seen anyone fall for that trick for 25 years!

If he instructs YOU to pull over, then do so and let the group splinter and continue ahead of you - he either sticks with you or with the remainder of the group - his choice. You stop on the side of the road, watch cop drive off into the distance, shrug shoulders, do U turn, and fuck off. Key is, to get the group split up pronto and force him to stop with one rider only - everyone else either rides on or stops, waits 15 seconds, U turns and (sorry officer, I thought you were asking the other fella to stop.. I had earplugs in.. blah di blah.. didn't realise you were signalling me. I DID stop!! but the officer drove straight past!)

Oldrider said it best - the cops are just another risk to be managed on the road - no different from any other sort of risk. What AMAZES me, is the amount of abuse I receive on KB for talking about it. Are we a community of motorcyclists standing up for ourselves or not? coz it doesn't look like it.

Steve

vifferman

14th October 2008, 07:50

so... here it is ... conclusive proof
That's not conclusive - he might be rescuing a small child/kitten/baby fur seal whale penguin/policewoman stuck inside the machine.
In any case, his hands obscure what his hands are up to...:confused:

nodrog

14th October 2008, 07:56

Gawd wheres my fucken cluestick.. I haven't seen anyone fall for that trick for 25 years!

If he instructs YOU to pull over, then do so and let the group splinter and continue ahead of you - he either sticks with you or with the remainder of the group - his choice. You stop on the side of the road, watch cop drive off into the distance, shrug shoulders, do U turn, and fuck off. Key is, to get the group split up pronto and force him to stop with one rider only - everyone else either rides on or stops, waits 15 seconds, U turns and (sorry officer, I thought you were asking the other fella to stop.. I had earplugs in.. blah di blah.. didn't realise you were signalling me. I DID stop!! but the officer drove straight past!)

Oldrider said it best - the cops are just another risk to be managed on the road - no different from any other sort of risk. What AMAZES me, is the amount of abuse I receive on KB for talking about it. Are we a community of motorcyclists standing up for ourselves or not? coz it doesn't look like it.

Steve

why fuck around and run away when we havnt done anything wrong? we wernt speeding (well not when the cop saw us), all he wanted to tell was that somebody had *555'd us and we better have a chat about our bikes and shit until they drive past so it looks like he is doing his job.

theres is no point being a fuckwit and trying to do a runner for some meaningless shit like doing 102kph, or failing to indicate.

be polite to them and you may be surprised how many of them remember you, and nicely look the other way when they see you doing somthing not completely stupid.

believe it or not some of them are actually human.

im actually tempted to join the police force just so i can pull you over and witness one of your great displays of evasion.

CookMySock

14th October 2008, 08:23

why fuck around and run away when we havnt done anything wrong? we wernt speeding (well not when the cop saw us), all he wanted to tell was that somebody had *555'd us and we better have a chat about our bikes and shit until they drive past so it looks like he is doing his job.

theres is no point being a fuckwit and trying to do a runner for some meaningless shit like doing 102kph, or failing to indicate. I wasn't advising that you do that in this case - I was just stunned you would fall for such a trick. I don't run from the cops, I just make it inconvenient, impossible, or at the very least, infeasible for them.

I didn't say to do a runner - thats dangerous and illegal. I said to stop when he tells you to, and watch him drive off into the distance following the rest of the group. At this point you do NOT have to remain stopped, AND you can ride wherever you choose - its not against the law, so ride back the way you came from. If the group buggers off legally in all directions he gets to stop one of you, not all of you.

If you are happy to sit there and make the cops "look like they are doing their job" then go for it. I'm not, and if they gave me that bs I would laugh at them and ride off. If you think about it, I'll bet you are not happy with them doing this either.

The last time I got stopped I just paid it - I ran smack straight into his radar - no getting outa that one, and for 119k and 120bux who cares. The $400 one I wiggled out of though.. again.. :whistle:

edit: Yeah its fair to start some sort of rapport with them, and I have a couple of cops that remember me.

Steve

MarkH

14th October 2008, 08:38

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.

What is the theory behind this one?

This should be obvious - you want him to write the ticket then go on to forget all about it. A few weeks later he finds out that you are contesting it in court and he is fuzzy on the details.

Contrast with: He writes you a ticket and you tell him you will contest it in court, he makes extensive notes on EXACTLY what happened and polishes his story. A few weeks later he finds out that you are contesting it in court, he remembers what happened well, re-reads his notes and appears in court confident and with all the answers required to assure that you are convicted.

Which situation would you prefer?

Dooly

14th October 2008, 09:39

I reckon everyone off KB should join the Police force and get onto Highway patrol, so that with our numbers we can take over, and in that scenario no biker will every be pulled over.
End result, we're all happy.

Cept the quota giver outta fullas.:eek:

pete376403

14th October 2008, 10:21

Maybe back in the eighties...
Yeah, both my bikes were built (or designed) in the 80's. Mea Culpa.

(is this modern dirt bikes too? Would really f*ck with your distance calculations if you spend time wheelspinning in mud...)

CookMySock

14th October 2008, 11:06

This should be obvious - you want him to write the ticket then go on to forget all about it. A few weeks later he finds out that you are contesting it in court and he is fuzzy on the details.

Contrast with: He writes you a ticket and you tell him you will contest it in court, he makes extensive notes on EXACTLY what happened and polishes his story. A few weeks later he finds out that you are contesting it in court, he remembers what happened well, re-reads his notes and appears in court confident and with all the answers required to assure that you are convicted.

Which situation would you prefer?Fair point, but if the situation is that black and white and he has so much evidence up his sleeve, it is unlikely I WOULD be contesting it - see my example above about running straight into his radar trap.

I only fight battles on the side of the road that are on really shakey ground, and quite often theres lots of them, viz "measuring" a riders speed from the other end of a straight from behind another car and ticketing him for it - this wont stand up in a court of law, and is worth calling his bluff on - chances are he will let you go with a "warning" hehe because he knows he is full of shit and he now knows you will challenge it. Basically I'm about trying to not HAVE to defend it in court or in writing if I don't have to. My strategy has so far worked and I have never had to go to court - if I get let off (usually do) its on the roadside or in correspondence later on.

So yeah I'd go along with that - keep mouth shut when you're really fucked, debate it if you know he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Steve

Ixion

14th October 2008, 12:45

..
I didn't say to do a runner - thats dangerous and illegal. I said to stop when he tells you to, and watch him drive off into the distance following the rest of the group. At this point you do NOT have to remain stopped, AND you can ride wherever you choose - its not against the law, so ride back the way you came from. If the group buggers off legally in all directions he gets to stop one of you, not all of you.

..

Strictly, true.

The law (Transport Act 1998)

114 Power to require driver to stop and give name and address, etc

(2) An enforcement officer in a vehicle following another vehicle may, by displaying flashing blue, or blue and red, lights or sounding a siren, require the driver of the other vehicle to stop.
...
(4) The driver of a vehicle that is stopped under subsection (2) is not obliged to remain stopped if the vehicle with flashing lights and siren does not itself stop in the near vicinity of the place where the driver has stopped.

A strict interpretation of the law may not always be the path of most wisdom

MarkH

14th October 2008, 15:07

A strict interpretation of the law may not always be the path of most wisdom

So you pull over and the cop keeps going, how long do you wait before it occurs to you that he isn't coming back? 30min? 1hr? 2hrs?

Ixion

14th October 2008, 15:10

Well, it's not time related. The law says that you are entitled to piss off if the cop does not stop "in the near vicinity" of where you are.

So, I guess , once he's out of sight you'd be pretty safe arguing that he didn't stop in your "near vicinity".

You don't have to wait for him to come back. Legally speaking , anyway. Of course, that MIGHT end up with one pissed off cop looking for you.

CookMySock

14th October 2008, 15:44

So you pull over and the cop keeps going, how long do you wait before it occurs to you that he isn't coming back? 30min? 1hr? 2hrs?Depends on what you were doing before or when you got pulled over, and how many demerit points you have already. For some, it will not matter - for others they will run and never stop running haha.

Of course, that MIGHT end up with one pissed off cop looking for you.THAT, you can count on. NOW he will be wanting to speak to you for sure - up to you whether you want to speak to him. Don't be tempted to ride on in the same direction - he will flag you down for sure and then you legally must stop, and remain stopped. Disappear into the long grass and get on the phone. IF you are absolutely 100% fair and square straight-up legal, then ride on, by all means, but be prepared to tell him to get stuffed, but be sure. Quite possibly you will get to ride past the rest of the lemmings who all pulled over in a group and give them a wave as you go past! :killingme

The bottom line is, 90% of the people in your group have evaded the fuzz legally - how you play your joker is now up to you.

If you are in a group ride and you all get flagged down by a cop stopped on the side of the road, then quickly flick your right indicator on and do a head-check to the right and behind you as you approach him - bugger me you will miss his hand signal to stop, but hey! you are legally allowed to do a head check before you pass the bike in front of you. :killingme

There are lots and lots of fun grey areas and misunderstandings to explore that will at least get you out of being pulled over. IF they come after you lights-flashing, well you're fucked, but I'm a trier. Oops, sorry officer I thought blah blah blah.. my bad! Hardest part - keeping a straight face.

Steve

Ixion

14th October 2008, 15:50

I have actually had this happen more than once, quite genuinely.

Tootling along, somewhat over the limit, red and blue lights and siren behind.

"Oh shit. ". Pull over, and lo and behold, cop goes blasting past and disappears up the road.

Wait a moment , nope he ain't stopping , guess he wasn't after me at all. Start up again and head off (as noted, NOT the way the cop went).

After all, he might have been on his way to a murder or something. How am I to know.

If I stop, and he doesn't I'm assuming that he didn't want to speak to me.

scumdog

14th October 2008, 16:09

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.

In 4 weeks, the cop will have issued dozens of tickets. If you don't stand out in his memory, he will be hard pressed to remember anything. He'll claim he picked you out of a line of traffic.. but he won't remember the weather, the colour of your helmet, or if you had a passenger.

But even if you lose, we all win.

They can only write a dozen tickets a day, because you pay em.

If they all cost the cop half a day in court, they would only bother with real speeders, not just bikers who do 115 passing a truck.

(a) I ALWAYS make notes on each speeding ticket ('cos everybody thinks they can get off on them - rarely any other type of ticket) as I expect to have to go to Court when they defend it.
Never ever have.
Why? Cos I don'y do 'iffy' speed tickets and I always disclose what I have - and that's enough to convince the 'innocent' speeder he's gonna get screwed in Court.

(b) Yep, I would go for the 'real speeders' if all the '115 passsing a truck' types defended their tickets - I'd also just ignore all the other offences when I managed to get away from Court and still target the 115 guys as well.... :devil2:

slopster

14th October 2008, 16:17

Most the cops I've met on the side of the road over the last few years seemed reasonable. I'm always as polite as possible because attitude wont get you anywhere even if it feels good at the time. About half of them let me off with a warning or a reduced fine. Half of them did it by the books and gave me what I had coming. One dickhead however ticketed me for something I didn't even do just because some other driver said I did.

Cut a long story short I tried to take that one to court and eventually the police changed there mind at the last minute and pulled out so that was ok.

Don't know how you would defend a speeding ticket though cos if the cop says you were speeding (and he's probably not lieing - just fucked up and pinged the wrong vehicle), and he saw it on his radar and you say you weren't, who are they going to believe?

CookMySock

14th October 2008, 18:40

One dickhead however ticketed me for something I didn't even do just because some other driver said I did. [....] eventually the police changed there mind at the last minute.and that is the way of it. They will try one on, right up to the last second to see if you cave in. Thats just how the game is played.

ticket though cos if the cop says you were speeding, and he saw it on his radar and you say you weren't, who are they going to believe?The cops won't lie in court, not about a pissy speeding ticket anyway - Its not worth it. This is only their job, not their religion. The judge will believe the cop if its his word for yours.

"Oh shit. ". Pull over, and lo and behold, cop goes blasting past and disappears up the road.I got the same thing after I split to the front of the lights through 40-50 cars, boy I thought I was screwed, but he wasn't after me. I had a little something strapped on the back that I shouldna too.. :whistle:

If I stop, and he doesn't I'm assuming that he didn't want to speak to me.And that is a fair and reasonable assumption, and certainly one you can apologise for if you're mistaken, and he DID want to speak to you.. "I'm sorry officer! Genuine mistake!"

I don'y do 'iffy' speed tickets and I always disclose what I have - and that's enough to convince the 'innocent' speeder he's gonna get screwed in Court. Good on ya. Pretty much I won't challenge these. Ploughing headlong into a speedtrap is instant death and mostly I think they are fair enough. If the cop that tagged me recently had looked up at the oncoming traffic instead of enjoying the scenery after a long day, he would have seen me pull back in after the line of cars I passed - $120 fine, oh well.

Cue the recent examples on KB where some bloke gets heavily targetted coz the fuzz hears some bike nearby at redline - well into the 'iffy' category. Next example, some bikie splits a cop off and then cruises along at 105-108 km/hr and the cop books him for 115k. From behind a line of cars. From the other end of the straight. 'iffy' !

Steve

blossomsowner

14th October 2008, 19:34

Yep, good advice.

You should always go to court if you didn't do the offence.

But screaming at the cop on the side of the road won't help.

Quietly deny the offence.

Questions like "why were you speeding" are NOT the cop giving you a chance to produce an adequate reason. They are just the cop asking you for a confession, which he will write on the ticket.

He won't let you off, he will just record that "dickhead said he was speeding 'cos he was <passing a car.. it was safe... insert confession here>"

Rules...

- Ride in a group...
- Choose roads that are underpoliced...
- Choose roads that twist, and turn, and thus naturally make your speed vary...
- Only tail-end charlie stops...and he politely insists he wasnt speeding
- never admit anything
- every group ride you go on, toss $5 in the kitty. Use it to defend every ticket..

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.

In 4 weeks, the cop will have issued dozens of tickets. If you don't stand out in his memory, he will be hard pressed to remember anything. He'll claim he picked you out of a line of traffic.. but he won't remember the weather, the colour of your helmet, or if you had a passenger.

You dont have to prove you werent speeding. You only have to cast doubt on any aspect of the ticket, to get off.

Even if you lose, the fine may not be any higher. Sometimes the court imposed fine is lower.

But even if you lose, we all win.

They can only write a dozen tickets a day, because you pay em.

If they all cost the cop half a day in court, they would only bother with real speeders, not just bikers who do 115 passing a truck.

what genius advice..........especially for groups. good on you

Patrick

14th October 2008, 20:35

Heh, you are so full of personal development advice aren't you. I think if you want to give up, roll over, and give in, well be my guest. It will be me in line behind you, making what was yours, mine - I have no qualms about that. :laugh:

Steve

Somebody from International headquarters tell me what this dick head just said please..??!

Dude - some manage to be successful without left overs and sloppy seconds :lol You could only get what I choose to leave behind.

Tank got it Boomer - DB likes anal sex...???

Cue the recent examples on KB where some bloke gets heavily targetted coz the fuzz hears some bike nearby at redline - well into the 'iffy' category. Next example, some bikie splits a cop off and then cruises along at 105-108 km/hr and the cop books him for 115k. From behind a line of cars. From the other end of the straight. 'iffy' !

Steve

MOving on from sexual preferences... :Offtopic:

Now this DB post is how I would say, "Spot on, chappie..." VERY iffy...... especially with a detector on board.

Down side is if your speedo is out, you are only talking of a 9kmph difference. Still, hard to see how a bike, which is a poor radar reflecting target in a line of cars, would be picked up easily on radar (possible, but not easy from the sounds of the scenery you were riding in...) unless you were lasered? Does it activate if pinged from behind?

geoffm

14th October 2008, 21:12

The cops won't lie in court, not about a pissy speeding ticket anyway - Its not worth it. This is only their job, not their religion. The judge will believe the cop if its his word for yours.

Steve

My personal experience says the cops will lie through their teeth in court about tickets, safe in the knowledge that evidence is not required and their word is gospel. It was a number of years ago, but I see no reason why things woudl have changed. They are even more revenue focused here in Auckland than ever.
Once the cop issues the ticket, you are automatically guilty and have the burden of proof upon you. Proving innocence is of course impossible.

pritch

15th October 2008, 08:38

Does it activate if pinged from behind?

Mine activates if receiving a radar signal from behind, there is second rear facing aerial on the top of the unit. On the bike this works well even through my not inconsiderable bulk.

Experience indicates that the unit detects laser beams from the front but I can't comment as to the unit detecting laser signals from the rear, I haven't experienced that situation. May that state of affairs continue...

Lias

15th October 2008, 13:02

Crazy thought here, have you actually thought about obeying the speed limit?
Don't blaspheme in here woman!

MarkH

15th October 2008, 15:29

Don't blaspheme in here woman!

Damn straight! Anyway I don't think it is a speed limit, more a speed suggestion - I am pretty sure it is a recommended minimum or something like that. I see the sign that says 100 and I am pretty sure it is supposed to be read as "100kph, at least".

If I am wrong I am sure at some point someone will correct me :Police:

paulmac

15th October 2008, 16:24

remember that often in rural areas the cop that gives you a ticket will also be the first guy on the scene if you have an accident. He's also the same guy who will go out in shit weather in the middle of the night for search and rescue !!

Boob Johnson

16th October 2008, 09:09

Damn straight! Anyway I don't think it is a speed limit, more a speed suggestion - I am pretty sure it is a recommended minimum or something like that. I see the sign that says 100 and I am pretty sure it is supposed to be read as "100kph, at least".

If I am wrong I am sure at some point someone will correct me :Police:
That's sig worthy Mark :laugh:

Boob Johnson

16th October 2008, 09:10

serious4

24th December 2009, 21:28

I got a ticket 3 weeks a go for 114ks and my Speedo said 114 when I saw the cop so its spot on but I am getting it calibrated this week to cheek.

Classic:oi-grr:

bsasuper

25th December 2009, 07:51

I hope you took it on the cheek,it wont be the last time the fuzz will have you up on some bullshit, what comes around goes around, I had great pleasure driving off leaving a patrol car with a flat battery after they said please can we get a jump off you mate:lol:

sil3nt

25th December 2009, 07:59

this is over a year old

bsasuper

25th December 2009, 08:06

this is over a year old

You wont worry about things like that when you get older

Muppet

25th December 2009, 09:33

My personal experience says the cops will lie through their teeth in court about tickets, safe in the knowledge that evidence is not required and their word is gospel. It was a number of years ago, but I see no reason why things woudl have changed. They are even more revenue focused here in Auckland than ever.
Once the cop issues the ticket, you are automatically guilty and have the burden of proof upon you. Proving innocence is of course impossible.

This is why you have the opportunity to defend the matter in court. As far as burden of proof is concerned, what are you talking about please? The burden of proof is with police and you are innocent until proven guilty here in NZ, not the other way round.

breakaway

25th December 2009, 09:46

CookMySock

25th December 2009, 10:05

This is why you have the opportunity to defend the matter in court. As far as burden of proof is concerned, what are you talking about please? The burden of proof is with police and you are innocent until proven guilty here in NZ, not the other way round.Bullshit.

What happens is, the pigs pull you up and run the "attitude test" on you, which means they waste your time, inadvertantly accuse you of a whole lot of baseless crap, and generally rake up a bunch of inflamatory shit until you respond, and then they throw the fucking book at you.

THEN they trump up any crap they like and book you for it and force you to jump through ten thousand hoops in a fucking court of law and PAY $500 for a lawyer, and THEN they threaten you with a fuckload of horrific consequences unless you PAY the said $600 fine, so you spend ANOTHER grand getting affidavits filed in the district court, and GUESS WHAT?? THEY WITHDRAW their action!!!

The pigs are a fucking law unto themselves, and have little care or regard for members of the general public unless said public are prepared to suck the pigs' cock. They should get on and do their job impartially, just like any other public servant.

edit: uh yeah, merry christmas.

Steve

Jantar

25th December 2009, 10:26

This is why you have the opportunity to defend the matter in court. As far as burden of proof is concerned, what are you talking about please? The burden of proof is with police and you are innocent until proven guilty here in NZ, not the other way round.
For traffic infringements the burden of proof is with the defence. So you are guilty unless proven innocent.

CookMySock

25th December 2009, 12:12

For traffic infringements the burden of proof is with the defence. So you are guilty unless proven innocent.The burden of proof is hardly worth it, after you have spent a grand on lawyering up, and a massive level of gutsache just standing up for yourself is it? Only to have the pigs withdraw it because it was on shakey ground to begin with. I'm sure they find all this fucking hilarious. Unbridled actions without consequence - nice work if you can get it.

Life isn't meant to be that hard, but the pigs don't give a fuck, as long as THEIR life isn't that hard.

I'm not talking about speeding and other calculated risks we all take against the fuzz. I'm talking about deliberately and baselessly targetting people for what is tantamount to rorting the legal system, for no benefit to anyone except the pigs' ego.

Steve

Littleman

25th December 2009, 14:32

What I'd really like for Christmas is for one of the mods to show exactly who has given green bling to Dangerous Bastard.

I think it would be facinating.

Jantar

25th December 2009, 15:19

What I'd really like for Christmas is for one of the mods to show exactly who has given green bling to Dangerous Bastard.

I think it would be facinating.
It would be, if we had the ability to do that.

Littleman

25th December 2009, 16:48

What about some sort of volunteer system. Maybe offer amnesty, a clean slate if you will, to start the New Year afresh?

Surely there's much shame and embarrassment that needs to be purged.

CookMySock

25th December 2009, 17:33

What about some sort of volunteer system. Maybe offer amnesty, a clean slate if you will, to start the New Year afresh?I like it. I'll start.

I'm deleting my entire ignore list.

Steve

woodyracer

25th December 2009, 17:52

I like it. I'll start.

I'm deleting my entire ignore list.

Steve

who's on the ignore list aye??

CookMySock

25th December 2009, 17:57

who's on the ignore list aye??No one. Clean slate. Merry Christmas! :apint:

Steve

Tone165

25th December 2009, 19:15

Sprocket change should not affect speedo reading as most bikes speedo is driven from front wheel.

Incorrect.......

most late model bikes do not use any speedo cables, speed is worked out by the computer based on what gear, and what revs.

Therefore altering the sprockets will effect the reading. Tyres may..but would be far less severe.

You can buy a device to re-calibrate the speedo (speedohealer)

red mermaid

25th December 2009, 19:43

Stop moaning, you admitted to exceeding 100km/h in your post therefore offence proven.
If you dont like it be in the Te Kuiti Court to defend the ticket.

geoffm

25th December 2009, 19:50

This is why you have the opportunity to defend the matter in court. As far as burden of proof is concerned, what are you talking about please? The burden of proof is with police and you are innocent until proven guilty here in NZ, not the other way round.

Excuse me? What proof do the cops have to provide should you be dumb enough to take it to court? For example. there is no requirement to provide any video evidence, although this is trivial to connect to Lidar and radar systems, so that the machine reading and the target are both recorded. No other independent eveidence is collected or presented. No body, no DNA, no independnet witnesses, no specialist evidence - because it doesn't exist, isn't collected and there is no requirement for it anyway. What other evidence is there?
Presumably if you could prove you were in another country, you might be able to get off - but you would have to name the other driver as the registered owner is automatically guilty otherwise. If you can't do that, then tough. I know of another case some years ago, on more serious charges than traffic, where a passport with entry and exit stamps was presented as evidence the accused couldn't have done the crime, but the police ignored it. It did eventually get thrown out of court, but the accused was out $20-30k of legal fees. Much the same cost as pleading guilty really...
Cop stands in court and says you were guilty, JP knocks it down as guilty. next case.
Geoff

Winston001

25th December 2009, 20:08

So anyone know how this all worked out? Being as how its 15 months old. :apint:

For traffic infringements the burden of proof is with the defence. So you are guilty unless proven innocent.

It might appear that way but I can assure you there is nothing special about traffic infringement prosecutions. The burden of proof is with the police who have to produce evidence to convince the judge. From time to time these charges are dismissed because the officer isn't available.

Purely as a matter of interest there is a category of offences called Strict Liability where the burden falls on the defendant. For example, child pornography - if you've got it you have to argue it isn't pornographic. Good luck with that. :buggerd:

FYI prosecutions by Inland Revenue require you to prove your innocence. That comes as a bit of a shock to some people. :girlfight:

red mermaid

25th December 2009, 20:43

Has anyone told IRD about DB, or here's a thought...I bet he works for them.

rustic101

25th December 2009, 21:10

Bullshit.

What happens is, the pigs pull you up and run the "attitude test" on you, which means they waste your time, inadvertantly accuse you of a whole lot of baseless crap, and generally rake up a bunch of inflamatory shit until you respond, and then they throw the fucking book at you.

THEN they trump up any crap they like and book you for it and force you to jump through ten thousand hoops in a fucking court of law and PAY $500 for a lawyer, and THEN they threaten you with a fuckload of horrific consequences unless you PAY the said $600 fine, so you spend ANOTHER grand getting affidavits filed in the district court, and GUESS WHAT?? THEY WITHDRAW their action!!!

The pigs are a fucking law unto themselves, and have little care or regard for members of the general public unless said public are prepared to suck the pigs' cock. They should get on and do their job impartially, just like any other public servant.

edit: uh yeah, merry christmas.

Steve

said "attitude test".

You have some serious issues which you need to address, IMO. I would suggest you start with looking in the dictionary and finding two words 1) self, and 2) respect. After applying those I suggest you take a moment to offer some consideration to the amount of work that the Police do other than write infringement notices out to those draw attention to themselves.

Personally I am sick and tired of your negativity towards an organisation that strives to make a difference every hour of every day of every year. Sure like any organisation they may have one or two individuals that are dorks, what company doesn’t. If you have a problem with them deal with it!!

Please do not direct or spread your vile, unwanted, negative diatribe on nameless message boards to those that are not able to defend themselves.

CookMySock

25th December 2009, 22:10

said "attitude test".

You have some serious issues which you need to address, IMO. I would suggest you start with looking in the dictionary and finding two words 1) self, and 2) respect. After applying those I suggest you take a moment to offer some consideration to the amount of work that the Police do other than write infringement notices out to those draw attention to themselves.

Personally I am sick and tired of your negativity towards an organisation that strives to make a difference every hour of every day of every year. Sure like any organisation they may have one or two individuals that are dorks, what company doesn’t. If you have a problem with them deal with it!!

Please do not direct or spread your vile, unwanted, negative diatribe on nameless message boards to those that are not able to defend themselves.Hehe, I'll do as I fucking choose, just as you do. There are more than a few "dorks" as you put it, in the police force.

Put me on your ignore list if you don't like it. Thats what its for.

Steve

Ronin

25th December 2009, 22:15

Please do not direct or spread your vile, unwanted, negative diatribe on nameless message boards to those that are not able to defend themselves.

Anyone else see the irony in rstic telling DB how he should behave on the forum? :Pokey:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1415196&postcount=18

Jantar

25th December 2009, 22:59

...It might appear that way but I can assure you there is nothing special about traffic infringement prosecutions. The burden of proof is with the police who have to produce evidence to convince the judge. From time to time these charges are dismissed because the officer isn't available. ....
In an earlier version of the Summary Proceedings act section 21 it used to say words to the effect that "It shall be a defence if the defendant proves that no such offence has taken place." This placed the burden of proof squarely on the defendant.

That section has in recent years been removed and now the only defence allowed is:
10) In any proceedings for an infringement offence for which an infringement notice has been issued—

(a) It shall be a defence if the defendant proves that the infringement fee for the offence has been paid to the informant at the address specified in the notice before or within 28 days after service on the defendant of a reminder notice in respect of the offence:

(b) It shall not be a defence that the infringement fee for the offence has been paid otherwise than as referred to in paragraph (a) of this subsection.

Under this section it is not even a defence to show that no offence occured. As long as a ToN has been issued it is deemed that the defendant is guilty.

Patrick

26th December 2009, 15:53

Hahhaah and the award for most naieve post ever goes to... ^!

Your word counts for nothing in a court of law. The police officer's word is fact. You are a filthy criminal. Have experienced it first hand. But I kept fighting, and eventually the police gave up and I won.

And all cops are like this.... ay.....

Bullshit.

What happens is, the pigs pull you up and run the "attitude test" on you, which means they waste your time, blah blah, rant rave spit and spew.....

NO. It means we walk up and speak to you. Attitude test goes like this....

"Fuck you pig" gets you the ticket you were stopped for.. ie: bad attitude.

"My bad, I was wrong" gets the warning that can be issued instead of the ticket ie : good attitude....

Muppet

26th December 2009, 22:34

All you bush lawyers saying from your 'personal experience' cops lie in court blah blah blah How many tickets are you boys getting that gets you all this court experience? You want to slow down you do, you'll do yourself some mischief.

CookMySock

27th December 2009, 05:28

NO. It means we walk up and speak to you. Attitude test goes like this....

"Fuck you pig" gets you the ticket you were stopped for.. ie: bad attitude.

"My bad, I was wrong" gets the warning that can be issued instead of the ticket ie : good attitude....Uh huh. Well some cops have the knack of incoveniencing, irritating, inadvertantly accusing, and other near-undetectable little piss offs, that just trip a motorist into crossing that line, followed by their own attitude detector being just a touch finely tuned.

You see the same type of trolling and offence-taking on KB all the time, and some cops just seem to need it.

The bottom line is, its not in your job description to conduct any such test. If the person has taken some action which is not only clearly in breach, but also has risks to others attached, then just write the ticket out and walk away. If it's an administrative thing (RUC 1k over etc) tell him to go rectify it and that you will be looking out for him so sort it out. If his wheels didn't compleeeeetely stop turning at that compulsory stop (I have seen three cop cars in succession roll straight through) , then reprimand him and let him go.

I have a responsibility not to interfere with others' rights and freedoms, and I intend to take that responsibility seriously. The same applies in reverse, and a little respect from the police regarding that wouldn't go astray, and completely put out of your mind rorting the law for your your own ego and/or financial gain, as you have seen happen to a certain young fella recently - I think even you found those actions immoral.

All you bush lawyers saying from your 'personal experience' cops lie in court blah blah blah How many tickets are you boys getting that gets you all this court experience? You want to slow down you do, you'll do yourself some mischief.It's more the large amount of distance covered by those who have been on the road for 25 years plus - it's impossible not to have some type of contact with the fuzz.

Steve

naphazoline

27th December 2009, 06:49

This makes for some quite good,even comical reading in parts.
Other parts are hard to read.:lol:

But one thing that always amuses me,is the people preaching to others to slow down,all seem to have either quite large capacity,or speed capable bikes.:clap:

Why is this necessary if they are never speeding?:rolleyes:
Can't be too good for some of those big bikes to be laboured at 100kmh all the time.
Might as well trade down to make sure.:msn-wink:

Tank

27th December 2009, 08:00

a few points (despite this being about a year old).

Starting with the OP - You were not taking him to court - he is taking you because you are trying to defend yourself. There is a difference - you are the accused not he.

Secondly - as is often the case with the big tough typing mouthy bastards. You note that the rarely come back and say "yay - I won" - nope - nothing but a internet full of silence and a big assed fail on them as they pay ups anyway.

Thirdly - In years to come people are going to look back on DB's post and say "yep - the warning signs were all there - delusional rants, unhealthy obsession with farm animals, total lack of grip on reality. We should have seen it coming"

Muppet

27th December 2009, 08:30

Thirdly - In years to come people are going to look back on DB's post and say "yep - the warning signs were all there - delusional rants, unhealthy obsession with farm animals, total lack of grip on reality. We should have seen it coming"

Yes it always starts with cruelty to animals, then lighting small fires.........

StoneY

27th December 2009, 08:43

Entertaining thread this one

Im waiting my new copy of the old classes 1,2,3,4,5,6 to come in the post

28 days ended on the 16th, started 2 days after the BIKEOI

Pay ya fine, get over it
Choose to speed, 106 or 115 makes no difference
Only time worth squealing is when they take ya bike, and even then ask yourself, was that cop who impounded my bike a prick?
NO he was an employee doing his job

Speeding is wrong, I choose to do it and KNOW I am doing it when I am so pay ya fine, quit crying and try avoid the Sherrif of Rodney with the flame red hair when next passing his known lair

In the first post hes admitting 'blipping' past a car, and returning to 106kms (on his speedo)
The BLIP must have been well over 115 so stop crying you bloody pussy, pay the fine and get over it....I did

Tank

27th December 2009, 09:07

The BLIP must have been well over 115 so stop crying you bloody pussy, pay the fine and get over it....I did

The accountability is strong in this one.

top man

DEATH_INC.

27th December 2009, 09:34

Anyone know how s/d got on?

As for all you other clowns that think there is justice in NZ, good luck when you come back to the real world.
I've been personally dicked 4 times (prosecuted twice, had the charges dropped after spending a shitload of money twice) and have seen my partner dicked by them too. (done for doing 130 something, when I was right behind her doing about 105).
GET REAL!!!!

Highlander

27th December 2009, 10:26

It's more the large amount of distance covered by those who have been on the road for 25 years plus - it's impossible not to have some type of contact with the fuzz.

I agree.
Though in the 25 years I have been riding / driving Ihave yet to be stopped for anything other than routine breath tests / WOF / Reg checks. I have no experience of these obnoxious folks in Police uniforms you all seam so excited about.
I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.

scumdog

27th December 2009, 10:29

I agree.
Though in the 25 years I have been riding / driving Ihave yet to be stopped for anything other than routine breath tests / WOF / Reg checks. I have no experience of these obnoxious folks in Police uniforms you all seam so excited about.
I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.

Kiinda sums up my experience too- and no, I didn't always do the job (was a freezing worker for 20 years or so) and once out of town I'm just another dude on a bike/in a car/ in a hot-rod so it's not like I have some sort of immunity or something.

CookMySock

27th December 2009, 11:44

I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.Yup thats the way of it, until they pull you up and angrily corner you for something that you were not remotely associated with, or some clown knocks you off your bike and turns out to be a cop.. watch everyone go real silent there..

Again, if I couldn't afford to speed then I wouldn't. It's being set up for other crap thats the problem, and that's not usually been the highway patrol. Like, $900 and a conviction for nudging a car in a car park.. :argue:

Steve

gatch

27th December 2009, 11:59

Yup thats the way of it, until they pull you up and angrily corner you for something that you were not remotely associated with, or some clown knocks you off your bike and turns out to be a cop.. watch everyone go real silent there..

Again, if I couldn't afford to speed then I wouldn't. It's being set up for other crap thats the problem, and that's not usually been the highway patrol. Like, $900 and a conviction for nudging a car in a car park.. :argue:

Steve

If I was a cop and pulled you up for doing something dumb, I'd only be too happy to rant, rave, spit and spew at you, then throw the book at you. Mostly because you seem like a know it all, arrogant fuckwit.

Alternatively haul you off your bike, or out of your car and give you a good beating, then challenge you to prove it in court.

I'd make a good cop aye. Aye.

MaxB

27th December 2009, 12:40

Maybe it works like this. I note that heaps of the 'I never had a ticket' live in small town NZ. (OK Highlander not Tauranga but you came from Otago right)?
Fewer Police, more open roads esp. down south and also you don't get the massive operations we get. I went through a recent operation on the Gt South Road that had 80 officers on duty.

This means that up here you have more chance of coming across a bad or pissed off cop. There are just more of them. Simple as that.

Most cops in South Auckland do a good job for shit pay but its the bad ones we remember.

red mermaid

27th December 2009, 13:09

I would be pissed off if;
1. I had to live in Auckland, and;
2. I had to stand on the side of the road for a few hours.

gatch

27th December 2009, 15:45

Most cops are doing what they are told..

Most people that get ticketed aren't.

There is exceptions, but not as many as people would like you to believe.

naphazoline

27th December 2009, 16:13

Most cops are doing what they are told..

Most people that get ticketed aren't.

There is exceptions, but not as many as people would like you to believe.

:yawn: :sleep:

The old school cops were the best.
When they were 2 seperate forces.The traffic patrol,and the police,and their jobs weren't dictated by "quoters",and "revenue".

gatch

27th December 2009, 16:16

PROVE me wrong.

naphazoline

27th December 2009, 16:18

Ya can't reason with ignorance.Nor inexperience.

gatch

27th December 2009, 16:26

Ya can't reason with ignorance.Nor inexperience.

Sounds like you have fuck all to say.

I KNOW a lot of cops, I know a lot of bikers, I have been ticketed, I have gotten off tickets. I also know a lot people who bitch about getting ticketed when they shouldn't have, mostly the same 'anti' attitude "fuckin pigs, power tripping cunts", etc.

Blows my mind.

CookMySock

27th December 2009, 18:59

Most cops are doing what they are told..

Most people that get ticketed aren't.

There is exceptions, but not as many as people would like you to believe.Sure. I agree.

So the ones who ARE affected speak up and you shout them down.

Why ?

Steve

gatch

27th December 2009, 19:48

Sure. I agree.

So the ones who ARE affected speak up and you shout them down.

Why ?

Steve

I would bet 100:1 that most who cry wolf are doing just that, distorting whatever has actually happened to suit their story, and are just sore for getting a smacked bottom.

The majority I've read on here don't achieve any result if/when pursuing a challenge in court.

CookMySock

27th December 2009, 21:30

I would bet 100:1 that most who cry wolf are doing just that, distorting whatever has actually happened to suit their story, and are just sore for getting a smacked bottom.

The majority I've read on here don't achieve any result if/when pursuing a challenge in court.I'll take that bet. Bring your $100 around here and I'll tell you two long sorry tales of woe. Be prepared to walk out without your cash.

Right or wrong, whats the point abusing people on KB who feel aggrieved? You gain nothing but what? All you have is your own judgement that you are right and they are wrong, all on the basis of your shoddily drawn conclusions.

Why not find something to contribute to, rather than something to tear down?

Think about it.

Steve

gatch

27th December 2009, 21:51

I'll tell you two long sorry tales of woe.

Right or wrong, whats the point abusing people on KB who feel aggrieved? You gain nothing but what?

Steve

Did either of your tales of woe get taken any further ? To any conclusive result ?

So, despite agreeing that most of these stories are likely to be bollocks, you absolutely pile shit on cops every chance you get. How is that constructive ?

CookMySock

27th December 2009, 22:04

Did either of your tales of woe get taken any further ? To any conclusive result ? You just bring whatever pile of cash around that you are prepared to lose and I'll tell you the stories and show you the outcomes.

So, despite agreeing that most of these stories are likely to be bollocks, you absolutely pile shit on cops every chance you get. How is that constructive ?I didn't agree with that at all. You said ;

most who cry wolf are doing just that, distorting whatever has actually happened to suit their story, and are just sore for getting a smacked bottom.I agree that people bitch when they get any fine, but people also rightly bitch when they are falsely set up, and you seem to suggest that the second category is the same as the first.

I suggest it is our right to stand up for ourselves when we are actually victimised.

Now why are you debating it? What have you got to gain? I submit you have very little to gain, except to further state your opinion as fact.

Further, I do not think you are interested in taking any bet or hearing any real stories, as you have already judged the ones you have heard to be "bullshit", so perhaps we might agree to disagree?

I really do hope you do not get to go through what we have, but one day if you do then you might see, but not until.

Steve

gatch

27th December 2009, 22:12

Damn right people should kick up a stink when they are wrongly accused of something, it sucks. Big time.

Having only ever had two instances where it has been proven that the police fucked up, and dozens of "boooohoooo" then no further action, one gets sick of hearing the same old shit. Whinging about stuff and not dealing with it is my absolute piss off with weak minded people. When I see the same cock and balls stories over and over again on KB slagging off cops for being cunts, it boils my blood.

Thats why I shoot people down.

naphazoline

28th December 2009, 03:07

Sounds like you have fuck all to say.[QUOTE=gatch;1129587776]
Yeah.....I leave the shit talking to the pro's.

[QUOTE=gatch;1129587776]I KNOW a lot of cops, I know a lot of bikers, I have been ticketed, I have gotten off tickets. I also know a lot people who bitch about getting ticketed when they shouldn't have, mostly the same 'anti' attitude "fuckin pigs, power tripping cunts", etc.

Blows my mind.

WOW! My hero.:tugger:

CookMySock

28th December 2009, 06:25

Damn right people should kick up a stink when they are wrongly accused of something, it sucks. Big time.Good. Thats all we're saying.

Having only ever had two instances where it has been proven that the police fucked up, and dozens of "boooohoooo" then no further action, one gets sick of hearing the same old shit. Whinging about stuff and not dealing with it is my absolute piss off with weak minded people. When I see the same cock and balls stories over and over again on KB slagging off cops for being cunts, it boils my blood.

Thats why I shoot people down.You're not helping the situation. It's impossible for you or I to tell whether they have given up talking about it coz they rolled over and paid up, or coz some asshole on KB bashed them and ruined their enthusiasm.

It's fair to say KB is here to angrily ridicule the weak minded, if you want to be a part of that tradition. For myself I do not. What about you?

Steve

MotoKuzzi

28th December 2009, 07:10

.

"My bad, I was wrong" gets the warning that can be issued instead of the ticket ie : good attitude....

Wasn't the case when I got pinged doing 111 kph down the Sth side of the Bombays recently. Officer: "Do you know how fast you were going sir?"
Me: "about 110kph or so I thought officer". Officer: "Well here's a ticket for $80 sir".

CookMySock

28th December 2009, 07:22

Me: "about 110kph or so I thought officer". Um, no.

"Your speedo will be more accurate than mine.."

"I wasn't speeding.."

"Was I travelling quicker than the traffic around me?"

"Did your radar unit measure my speed?"

Or just look at him and blink and say "dont think so, sir" or look at the ground and say nothing. Never admit a number, as if they can process you for that admission, they will.

I never get "let off" anything coz I fess up. Shut yer mouth or pay.

Steve

MotoKuzzi

28th December 2009, 07:35

Um, no.

"Was I travelling quicker than the traffic around me?"

Steve

Well actually, I was the tail ender lagging considerably behind a long line of traffic in the fast lane. Saw in my rear view mirror, the aforementioned officer jump from the left lane about 1/2km up the hill behind me. I'm not complaining about the ticket, merely pointing out that a polite attitude don't guarantee the use of discretion, especially when the quota is down. :nono:

NordieBoy

28th December 2009, 07:57

Yes it always starts with cruelty to animals, then lighting small fires.........

Then they become a pig hunter that likes BBQ's.

scumdog

28th December 2009, 08:39

It's fair to say KB is here to angrily ridicule the weak minded, if you want to be a part of that tradition. For myself I do not. What about you?

Steve

And you, sir, are living proof of that:devil2:

bully

28th December 2009, 09:20

your word against his, he will win.
yes there are number plate laws, found out the hard way.
and its pigs like this that ruin it for the rest of the force.
smoke em if uv got em.

Kickaha

28th December 2009, 09:46

I agree.
Though in the 25 years I have been riding / driving Ihave yet to be stopped for anything other than routine breath tests / WOF / Reg checks. I have no experience of these obnoxious folks in Police uniforms you all seam so excited about. .

Pretty much the same experience I have had

If I was a cop and pulled you up for doing something dumb, I'd only be too happy to rant, rave, spit and spew at you, then throw the book at you. Mostly because you seem like a know it all, arrogant fuckwit..

I'd taser him as well

Ronin

28th December 2009, 09:49

I'd taser him as well

I wouldn't warn him about the pie either.

scumdog

28th December 2009, 10:23

I wouldn't warn him about the pie either.

Oooh!
You are just soooo mean!!:devil2:

gatch

28th December 2009, 10:40

You're not helping the situation.

Who are you helping by repeatedly slagging off cops for being cunts ?

Who do you help by telling everybody to just tell them to fuck off and ride away ?

red mermaid

28th December 2009, 14:20

Who are you helping by repeatedly slagging off cops for being cunts ?

Who do you help by telling everybody to just tell them to fuck off and ride away ?

Perhaps he is commission with lawyers cause all the people who take his advice will get locked up and have more charges.

I wonder if DB even does this himself? I bet he is meek and mild when stopped.

lankyman

28th December 2009, 21:43

Use punctuation and learn to fucking spell

denill

29th December 2009, 12:00

I hate to say this, but doing 101 in a 100 zone is speeding...

What a smarmy..................

Any how - the piece of shit in your profile would never get to 100ks anyway :dodge:

Ronin

29th December 2009, 13:29

Use punctuation and learn to fucking spell.

You missed your period.

Fatjim

29th December 2009, 14:29

If I was a cop and pulled you up for doing something dumb, I'd only be too happy to rant, rave, spit and spew at you, then throw the book at you. Mostly because you seem like a know it all, arrogant fuckwit.

Alternatively haul you off your bike, or out of your car and give you a good beating, then challenge you to prove it in court.

I'd make a good cop aye. Aye.

I'd be tempted to become a cop in BoP just so I could do that myself.

Muppet

29th December 2009, 19:32

Kiinda sums up my experience too- and no, I didn't always do the job (was a freezing worker for 20 years or so) and once out of town I'm just another dude on a bike/in a car/ in a hot-rod so it's not like I have some sort of immunity or something.

Even though no one here will believe you, that is in fact true. However a colleague went to the US & A where the cops give each other this little sticker called 'The thin blue line". You put it on your screen and if you get pulled up by the fuzz for speeding, for example, (which must surely hurt) they let you go.

kwaka_crasher

30th December 2009, 00:16

If I was a cop and pulled you up for doing something dumb, I'd only be too happy to rant, rave, spit and spew at you, then throw the book at you. Mostly because you seem like a know it all, arrogant fuckwit.

And you're angry because you wanted the job, given your exceptional qualifications as evidenced here.

Skyryder

30th December 2009, 07:20

So what happened Slamdog?

Skyryder

PrincessBandit

30th December 2009, 07:24

What I'd really like for Christmas is for one of the mods to show exactly who has given green bling to Dangerous Bastard.

I think it would be facinating.

I gave him some for his post in Toto's "Mathematics of riding" thread.

MaxB

30th December 2009, 23:47

So what happened Slamdog?

Skyryder

After following this for a while I'm also waiting for the 'what happened next?' part

Patrick

29th January 2010, 11:08

.... as you have seen happen to a certain young fella recently - I think even you found those actions immoral....Steve

No, not immoral.... just got it wrong,plain and simple. They thought they had it right. They didn't. So it was pointed it out. Yet the same old "all cops are wankers" catch cry continues....

I agree.
Though in the 25 years I have been riding / driving Ihave yet to be stopped for anything other than routine breath tests / WOF / Reg checks. I have no experience of these obnoxious folks in Police uniforms you all seam so excited about.
I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.

I look forward to the day when I strike such an arse....

Would be an interesting moment.....

BUt it has NEVER happened.

I guess some people must be shit magnets......

nico

30th January 2010, 11:21

"Ok this is big bitch, was heading to Tauranga on Friday 10 October just gone past the turn off that heads towards Taupo ( just south of Te Kuiti) and some oncoming traffic flashed their lights to let me know about the cop that sits on that straight all the time.
I was following a Ute as I went past doing under 100 after going round the first corner I passed the Ute before heading down the twisty bumpy part as I got down the bottom of the hill my radar beeped looking down I was doing 106 so kept going at about 105 as I got near the end of the little straight I looked in the mirror & saw him just coming onto the straight, as I came into the 75k corner I had just come up on 2 cars and as we exited the corner I blipped it past them and headed down the straight at a speed no more than 106ks as I knew the cop was coming behind me as we were going down the big straight I could not see if he was still coming as the cars behind me blocked my view until we were three quarters down the straight I saw him passing the 2 cars as he got past the last car he put his lights on and pulled me up.
I was happy to pull up as I did nothing wrong.
The first thing he hit me up for was my number plate that is not standard and said he was going to give me a ticket for that then he said he was giving me a ticket for doing 115 down the big straight. I then got pissed and said fuck off as I made sure I did not speed and the fastest I got up to was 106 down the straight.
so I am taking this to court.
I am paying the fine for the number plate as fair's fair but the speed he is taking the piss out of me"

Probably missed some, and I'm not even going to start on the punctuation omissions. :doh:

The standard of literacy in posts never ceases to amaze, and this is a stunner.:shit: If you intend pursuing this in court do yourself a favour and get any written submissions from you checked so the magistrate can actually understand what it is you claim not to have done :slap:

great more p,c police homos

Grubber

30th January 2010, 11:44

No, not immoral.... just got it wrong,plain and simple. They thought they had it right. They didn't. So it was pointed it out. Yet the same old "all cops are wankers" catch cry continues....

I look forward to the day when I strike such an arse....

Would be an interesting moment.....

BUt it has NEVER happened.

I guess some people must be shit magnets......

This is sooo right. I've had a couple or 3 speeders and when pulled over they asked if i knew what it was for. I just reply "yep, a bit quick". Their reply has been, 1st time, too quick $ 120, 2nd time, just a bit quick so best ya slow up and have a nice day,no ticket, 3rd time, way too fast mate but seeing as you been a good bastard and already stated you were movin it a bit we'll make it 112k's and $80 fine......i was doing 145k. They're not a bad bunch in my books. Just doing their job.