Old vehicle rego exemptions

[Coyote]

My brother recently bought a 1972 Holden Kingswood Ute. It was first registered in 1972, rego has been on hold for the last year. I remember hearing bikes registered before a certain time didn't have to have indicators and several other things. I was wondering if my brother's car was exempt from anything on the warrant sheet?

[scumdog]

My brother recently bought a 1972 Holden Kingswood Ute. It was first registered in 1972, rego has been on hold for the last year. I remember hearing bikes registered before a certain time didn't have to have indicators and several other things. I was wondering if my brother's car was exempt from anything on the warrant sheet?

Meh, not a lot less than it came with.

OK: No airbags, ABS, hi-stop, rear seat-belts....all the stuff 'modern' cars require for a WOF.

[Subike]

the car only has to have fitted to it what was fitted at the time of manufacture .
If the vehicle has been on hold, then a std WOF is all that it needed.
If the vehicle is up for reregistration, then it has to be complianced, that include a "on the hoist wheels removed" inspection of the brakes.
Pre 1965 vehicles dont have to have seat belts in some models
You will find that the 72 holden ute,HQ?, need seatbelts, they were fitted in the factory with them.
Im sure others will add to this.

[Motu]

Whatever front seat belts it had OE are ok,no rear belts required.Doesn't need a laminated windscreen,toughened is cool.No park lights required....something that could come into it with an HQ - some HQ's had park lights in the bumper with the indicator,some were in the headlamp.So you could end up with both or none if someone has been swapping parts.You'll have to replace the steering idler.

[koba]

also you will get cheap rego in 2012.

[imdying]

You'll have to replace the steering idler.Hahahah, now you're showing your experience :shifty:

[Coyote]

Whatever front seat belts it had OE are ok,no rear belts required.Doesn't need a laminated windscreen,toughened is cool.No park lights required....something that could come into it with an HQ - some HQ's had park lights in the bumper with the indicator,some were in the headlamp.So you could end up with both or none if someone has been swapping parts.You'll have to replace the steering idler.
It's got working park lights and it doesn't have a rear seat. What's a steering idler?

Are reverse lights needed? And no lenience toward smoky motors I assume?

[Motu]

Reverse lights have never been needed,the only regulations are on switching.Red motors don't smoke - unless really really really really rooted.Unless it has a V8...but who would choose an unreliable V8 over the indestructible 202? The steering idler is the worn part in the steering.

[Coyote]

Reverse lights have never been needed,the only regulations are on switching.Red motors don't smoke - unless really really really really rooted.Unless it has a V8...but who would choose an unreliable V8 over the indestructible 202? The steering idler is the worn part in the steering.
It has a 186. It's meant to have more power than a 202 apparently, higher compression. Sounds excellent. But if it's rooted, a 202 is a cheap replacement. 80's Commodores have fuel injected ones that fit straight in from what we're told (though I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm going to get told otherwise...).

The car has been half arsed checked by a local mechanic who's meant to know his stuff. Apparently it just needs the foot down at top gear to clear the crap out since it's been sitting around for a while. Several other backyard mechanics we know agree with that.

[Motu]

It must be an HG then,rather than HQ...maybe a late rego? HG was the best Holden ever made.

[cs363]

Definitely a 186? Some HQ's had 173's, unless of course someone's done a swap at some stage?

Which one of these does it look like?

[Coyote]

It must be an HG then,rather than HQ...maybe a late rego? HG was the best Holden ever made.

Definitely a 186? Some HQ's had 173's, unless of course someone's done a swap at some stage?

Which one of these does it look like?
It's definitely an HQ. Dad had a sedan when I was 4 (earliest memory is the ash tray on the back of the brown vinyl bench seat, good times) and I've restored a couple lately. So we're not too ignorant and know that much.

And it has 186 cast into the side of the engine block. Has a 202 rocker cover for some reason

This is the car. It's rougher looking than it appears in the photos. The seats you can see through the window were what they came with but my brother has since put in an original seat from Pick-a-part. Slightly torn but much nicer and only $30.

[James Deuce]

186 ain't stock, and the 173s were Belmonts, I think. The 202 rocker cover will be from the original motor that was probably part of a short block exchange. Because it had asploded.

I had an HT with the shittiest 308 ever. Everything blew in that motor. Shoulda kept the 253.

[bungbung]

I had an HT with the shittiest 308 ever. Everything blew in that motor. Shoulda kept the 253.

Should have bought a ford :laugh:

My first car was a XC ute

[Dealer]

I had an HK with the 186, and a Landrover 88 with a 179 which i replaced with the 186. Good motors in both, never gave me any problems, apart from timing cogs. Did my best to cook the 179 but it never gave up. Oh and snapping valve springs in the Landrover 186.

[Dealer]

I had an HK with the 186, and a Landrover 88 with a 179 which i replaced with the 186. Good motors in both, never gave me any problems, apart from timing cogs. Did my best to cook the 179 but it never gave up. Oh and snapping valve springs in the Landrover 186.

[Headbanger]

Should have bought a ford :laugh:

My first car was a XC ute


First car I ever wrote off was an XC.

[Coyote]

186 ain't stock, and the 173s were Belmonts, I think. The 202 rocker cover will be from the original motor that was probably part of a short block exchange. Because it had asploded.

I had an HT with the shittiest 308 ever. Everything blew in that motor. Shoulda kept the 253.
The engine is a replacement. The chassis has about 400,000 k's of wear (I think) but the engine is meant to be newer than that.

My brother is planning on getting a 308 in the future, possibly a bigger crate motor if he's got the money. Though he'd like to see the car get a warrant with the current engine for now.

[James Deuce]

Nah, do a 253 with Yella Terra heads, decent headers, dual Edelbrock inlet, and two 4 barrel pumper carbs, like Holleys. Gas is still cheaper than water.

[Coyote]

Nah, do a 253 with Yella Terra heads, decent headers, dual Edelbrock inlet, and two 4 barrel pumper carbs, like Holleys. Gas is still cheaper than water.
I'll tell my brother and let him figure out what all that means :rolleyes:

I'm joking. Though I wouldn't know what configuration the 253 engine is and who makes it and haven't heard of Yella Terra.

[James Deuce]

The 253 is a Holden small block V8. The 308 is the same block with "stuff" done to it. A good 308 is a pleasure. A bad one is very bad indeed.

All my information is massively out of date. I am no longer a bogan.

[oldguy]

I had an HR with 186 motor and yellow terra head, pacemaker headers, bloody good family car and work horse.

now I have a 85 vkss, its been sitting in my garage, for something like 4 years now, I take it out every now and then just around the block and then back in the garage,

rego's been on hold for that period of time, I just re-did the rego for another 12 months, online the other night didnt think I could but went through OK.

[Dodgyiti]

You could pretty much order what engine you wanted if your dealer was any good.
They put all sorts in those models, personally I have seen pretty much every combination in the GMH Australia range of that year including Torana type sixs. The most unusual engine to find in one is a 130ci. Made for inner city taxis apparantly. I have only seen one over here sitting at a wreckers yard. But they do get a mention in the factory manual for that year. I can't even imagine how gutless it would be.

Oh dear, exposed as a Holden nerd..

[FJRider]

Oh dear, exposed as a Holden nerd..

Holdens can't be that bad... I hear they won at Bathhurst (quite) a few years back..

The 186 I've found to be a decent motor, 202's seem to be a thirty beast... putting the bigger donk's in, requires certification hassles...

[cs363]

Holdens can't be that bad... I hear they won at Bathhurst (quite) a few years back..

Three years isn't that long, and a quick look through the history book shows that GM products have had a considerably better finishing record at the great race than those from the blue oval. Holden teams have struggled to make the new VE Commodore competitive mainly due to the increased drag of the wider car. Next year should be interesting as the new FG Falcon will be racing and that car has more drag than the new Commodore...

For what it's worth I think the race was best when it was open to all makes....often made for an interesting race with varying strategies and unexpected outcomes.
That's 2c spent.... :)


Race winners
Phillip Island (500 Miles)
1960 John Roxburgh / Frank Coad Vauxhall Cresta 167 laps / 8h 19m 99.1s
1961 Bob Jane / Harry Firth Mercedes-Benz 220SE 167 laps / 8h 18m 0.0s
1962 Harry Firth / Bob Jane Ford XL Falcon 167 laps / 8h 15m 16.0s
Mount Panorama (500 Miles)
1963 Harry Firth / Bob Jane Ford Cortina Mk.I GT 130 laps / 7h 46m 99.1s
1964 Bob Jane / George Reynolds Ford Cortina Mk.I GT 130 laps / ?h ?m ?s
1965 Barry Seton / Midge Bosworth Ford Cortina Mk.I GT500 130 laps / 7h 16m 45.1s
1966 Rauno Aaltonen / Bob Holden Morris Cooper S 130 laps / 7h 11m 29.1s
1967 Harry Firth / Fred Gibson Ford XR Falcon GT 130 laps / 6h 54m 99.1s
1968 Bruce McPhee / Barry Mulholland Holden HK Monaro GTS327 130 laps / 6h 44m 0.0s
1969 Colin Bond / Tony Roberts Holden HT Monaro GTS350 130 laps / 6h 32m 0.0s
1970 Allan Moffat Ford XW Falcon GTHO Phase II 130 laps / 6h 33m 0.0s
1971 Allan Moffat Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III 130 laps / 6h 9m 49.5s
1972 Peter Brock Holden LJ Torana GTR XU-1 130 laps / 6h 0m 99.1s
Mount Panorama (1,000 Kilometres)
1973 Allan Moffat / Ian Geoghegan Ford XA Falcon GT 163 laps / 7h 20m 6.8s
1974 John Goss / Kevin Bartlett Ford XA Falcon GT 163 laps / 7h 50m 99.1s
1975 Peter Brock / Brian Sampson Holden LH Torana L34 163 laps / 7h 19m 11.3s
1976 Bob Morris / John Fitzpatrick Holden LH Torana L34 163 laps / 7h 7m 12.0s
1977 Allan Moffat / Jacky Ickx Ford XC Falcon 163 laps / 6h 59m 7.8s
1978 Peter Brock / Jim Richards Holden LX Torana A9X SS 163 laps / 6h 45m 53.9s
1979 Peter Brock / Jim Richards Holden LX Torana A9X SS 163 laps / 6h 38m 15.8s
1980 Peter Brock / Jim Richards Holden VC Commodore 163 laps / 6h 47m 52.7s
1981 Dick Johnson / John French Ford XD Falcon 120 laps / 4h 53m 52.7s
1982 Peter Brock / Larry Perkins Holden VH Commodore 163 laps / 6h 32m 3.2s
1983 John Harvey / Peter Brock / Larry Perkins Holden VH Commodore 163 laps / 6h 28m 31.6s
1984 Peter Brock / Larry Perkins Holden VK Commodore 163 laps / 6h 23m 13.6s
1985 John Goss / Armin Hahne Jaguar XJS 163 laps / 6h 41m 30.19s
1986 Allan Grice / Graeme Bailey Holden VK Commodore SSGroupA 163 laps / 6h 30m 35.68s
1987 Peter McLeod / Peter Brock / David Parsons Holden VL Commodore SSGroupA 158 laps / 7h 1m 8.4s
1988 Tony Longhurst / Tomas Mezera Ford Sierra RS500 161 laps / 7h 2m 10.28s
1989 Dick Johnson / John Bowe Ford Sierra RS500 161 laps / 6h 30m 53.44s
1990 Win Percy / Allan Grice Holden VL Commodore SSGroupA SV 161 laps / 6h 40m 52.64s
1991 Jim Richards / Mark Skaife Nissan Skyline BNR32 GT-R 161 laps / 6h 19m 14.80s
1992 Mark Skaife / Jim Richards Nissan Skyline BNR32 GT-R 143 laps / 6h 27m 16.22s
1993 Larry Perkins / Gregg Hansford Holden VP Commodore 161 laps / 6h 29m 6.69s
1994 Dick Johnson / John Bowe Ford EB Falcon 161 laps / 7h 3m 45.8425s
1995 Larry Perkins / Russell Ingall Holden VR Commodore 161 laps / 6h 20m 32.4766s
1996 Craig Lowndes / Greg Murphy Holden VR Commodore 161 laps / 7h 9m 28.3584s
1997 Geoff Brabham / David Brabham BMW 320i 161 laps / 6h 41m 25.4072s
1997 Larry Perkins / Russell Ingall Holden VS Commodore * 161 laps / 6h 21m 55.5483s
1998 Rickard Rydell / Jim Richards Volvo S40 161 laps / 6h 54m 23.4756s
1998 Jason Bright / Steven Richards Ford EL Falcon * 161 laps / 6h 42m 23.9039s
1999 Steven Richards / Greg Murphy Holden VT Commodore 161 laps / 6h 51m 48.8354s
2000 Garth Tander / Jason Bargwanna Holden VT Commodore 161 laps / 7h 23m 30.2348s
2001 Mark Skaife / Tony Longhurst Holden VX Commodore 161 laps / 6h 50m 33.1789s
2002 Mark Skaife / Jim Richards Holden VX Commodore 161 laps / 6h 58m 41.0260s
2003 Greg Murphy / Rick Kelly Holden VY Commodore 161 laps / 6h 32m 55.4044s
2004 Greg Murphy / Rick Kelly Holden VY Commodore 161 laps / 6h 29m 36.2055s
2005 Mark Skaife / Todd Kelly Holden VZ Commodore 161 laps / 6h 37m 17.0012s
2006 Craig Lowndes / Jamie Whincup Ford BA Falcon 161 laps / 6h 59m 53.5852s
2007 Craig Lowndes / Jamie Whincup Ford BF Falcon 161 laps / 6h 29m 10.1985s
2008 Craig Lowndes / Jamie Whincup Ford BF Falcon 161 laps / 6h 26m 00.4291s
* Denotes Australia 1000 races for V8 Supercars category

[scumdog]

You could pretty much order what engine you wanted if your dealer was any good.
They put all sorts in those models, personally I have seen pretty much every combination in the GMH Australia range of that year including Torana type sixs. The most unusual engine to find in one is a 130ci. Made for inner city taxis apparantly. I have only seen one over here sitting at a wreckers yard. But they do get a mention in the factory manual for that year. I can't even imagine how gutless it would be.

Oh dear, exposed as a Holden nerd..

And then there was the Mazda rotary powered HZ Holdens......:shit:

[FJRider]

And then there was the Mazda rotary powered HZ Holdens......:shit:

why would............. ???????????????? :confused: :rolleyes: :beer:

[scumdog]

why would............. ???????????????? :confused: :rolleyes: :beer:
True.
'Made in Japan' and all!:wacko:

[FJRider]

True.
'Made in Japan' and all!:wacko:

And I remember the Opal motors that were fitted to the Torana in the early eighties... 1900cc as I recall...

[scumdog]

And I remember the Opal motors that were fitted to the Torana in the early eighties... 1900cc as I recall...

don't forget the Nissan motors in the Commodores...

[cs363]

True.
'Made in Japan' and all!:wacko:


Yeah, well they weren't actually Holden's in the true sense, just bodies shipped to Mazda to be turned into their 'Roadpacer' models.
There's some info on Wiki about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Roadpacer

[scumdog]

So....so far we have Holdens with Nissan, Mazda, Opel and Chev motors....I guess it must have saved GMH bloody fortune in engine manufacturing costs:shit:

[cs363]

So....so far we have Holdens with Nissan, Mazda, Opel and Chev motors....I guess it must have saved GMH bloody fortune in engine manufacturing costs:shit:


Well they certainly aren't alone - Ford has or is using Mazda, Volvo & Fiat engines and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there would be more if you dug about a bit. Not that it's unusual these days, all kinds of manufacturers have alliances with other companies.

[scumdog]

Well they certainly aren't alone - Ford has or is using Mazda, Volvo & Fiat engines and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there would be more if you dug about a bit. Not that it's unusual these days, all kinds of manufacturers have alliances with other companies.

No, Ford were even cheaper - they just put Ford badges on Mazdas etc!!:laugh:

[FJRider]

Nowdays, the manufacturer...and assembler, are two different people... often in two different countries. MOTORCYCLES INCLUDED...

[cs363]

Nowdays, the manufacturer...and assembler, are two different people... often in two different countries. MOTORCYCLES INCLUDED...


Aye, they don't make 'em like they used to, but you try telling these young people that.....


:laugh::laugh:

[Coyote]

Not that it's unusual these days, all kinds of manufacturers have alliances with other companies.
Suzuki and Kawasaki are a good example. RMZ-KXF 250's and DRZ-KLX 400's and 125's.

My brother might buy this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=183059220

Good deal? Or not?

[FJRider]

Suzuki and Kawasaki are a good example. RMZ-KXF 250's and DRZ-KLX 400's and 125's.

My brother might buy this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=183059220

Good deal? Or not?

$250 is about $150 too much...