One News election debate (14 October) [Archive]

Toaster

14th October 2008, 20:23

One knows how to make money and run bizzo that wikll assist real groweth and development, the other knows how to spin bullshit, socially engineer the place into moral oblivion against majority wishes and make you think you owe them for taking your taxes off you only to give less of it back in the form of a "credit" and expecting you to say thankyou after nine years of no real tax cuts to help the hard workers in middle NZ out.

She must think Kiwi's are thick.... (cough....)

Coyote

14th October 2008, 20:29

cs363

14th October 2008, 20:30

So you're definitely in the biased camp then, lol

kevfromcoro

14th October 2008, 20:41

Watched 10 minutes, couldn't stand it. They're both fuckwits working for parties that aren't going to help this country. And the smaller parties weren't represented, leading us further into an American 2 party system where both parties are badge engineered.

I agree.....these people are trying to run the country...and they were sitting there and argueing...

like a couple of kids ...couldent even understand .shouting at each other...
Take them back to kindergarden...........

Coyote

14th October 2008, 20:46

So you're definitely in the biased camp then, lol
Biased?! Moi?!

Chisanga

14th October 2008, 21:01

I think John Key did very well. Especially considering he was against Helen Clark, Mark Sainsbury and Barry Soper :angry:

Robert Taylor

14th October 2008, 21:06

I think John Key did very well. Especially considering he was against Helen Clark, Mark Sainsbury and Barry Soper :angry:

Yep, the cards were deliberately stacked against him. Helenstein looked like an extra out of a horror movie and the haughty laugh always puts you off. JK definitely came out of it better.

MadDuck

14th October 2008, 21:09

What i dont get is why have all that Botox and makeup...if you earn as much as she does. Why not fix your teeth?

Maha

14th October 2008, 21:29

What i dont get is why have all that Botox and makeup...

Yeah Barry Soper looked a tad puffy eh?......:confused:

Clark is the best at live debates.....she can rip anyone apart, remember poor ole' Don, one look from Ms Clark and he crumbled.
Better the devil you know from where I sit...
It doesn't really matter who Governs this country, the nation as a whole will not be happy either way, there will always be something to grizzle about. :done:

cs363

14th October 2008, 21:30

Yep, the cards were deliberately stacked against him. Helenstein looked like an extra out of a horror movie and the haughty laugh always puts you off. JK definitely came out of it better.

Wot? JK was on the is running for PM? At least the crazy hats will add some colour to proceedings and the PM would have some cool cars....

cs363

14th October 2008, 21:32

the nation as a hole

Yep - that right there is what you'll get with Labour & Dictator Clark along with her evil henchman Cullen :laugh: :whistle:

Maha

14th October 2008, 21:36

Yep - that right there is what you'll get with Labour & Dictator Clark along with her evil henchman Cullen :laugh: :whistle:

Corrected the typo..........:shifty:

Agree...Cullen is a twat, an evil condescending twat.

Indiana_Jones

14th October 2008, 21:37

mynameis

14th October 2008, 21:38

Mark Sainsbury is an annoying biased prick and I feel like smacking his ugly face. He hasn't learnt shit over so many years of Journalism.

You wonder why Winston hammers him and has got a pending case of defamation of character against him. He focuses on the most trivial stupid things that don't matter. Rant Over.

Key did a good job, very GENUINE. Old aunty Helen is pulling the same tricks out of the bag screaming over John in her manly voice.

Just keep in mind, what happend to John Howard I think Helen heading the same way :)

rainman

14th October 2008, 21:46

Watched 10 minutes, couldn't stand it. They're both fuckwits working for parties that aren't going to help this country. And the smaller parties weren't represented, leading us further into an American 2 party system where both parties are badge engineered.

Amen brother. But I confess I switched back in and out of it for a bit longer than 10 mins...

But yes, both idiots, neither have a clue.

Magua

14th October 2008, 22:28

I don't have tv1. Can I watch it online somewhere?

Highlander

14th October 2008, 22:32

Key did a good job, very GENUINE. Old aunty Helen is pulling the same tricks out of the bag screaming over John in her manly voice.

Yep, I thought he came across as more genuine and believable.
Results just shown of the phone / text responses showed roughly 32% vs 67% to him.

I don't have tv1. Can I watch it online somewhere?

I'd be surprised if it wasn't on TVNZ on demand.

Dargor

14th October 2008, 22:42

I'd be surprised if it wasn't on TVNZ on demand.

Then be surprised, or find it for me. 'cos i cant find it.

skidMark

14th October 2008, 22:46

John key should be going for american presidency because he is a sleeze

"i grew up in a state house"

**kissing babys**

it's total bullshit.

then again clark is useless, and looks like/ quite possibly is a man.

but at least we know what we ae getting, i just dont trust john key, he seems like a shark.

cs363

14th October 2008, 22:46

Then be surprised, or find it for me. 'cos i cant find it.

http://nz.youtube.com/debate :)

puppykicker

14th October 2008, 23:09

I can't believe they pulled out that Springbok tour bullshit.

I mean I'm not a Kiwi by birth, so I guess it doesn't seem that big a deal to me, but seriously.

John clearly had more important things to worry about at the time and there Clark is going "you didn't care!!! WHAT?!!"

Bitch.

-Indy

seems like a reasonable thing to bring up, the debate was mostly about judgement, labour trying to make out like key couldnt be trusted. to bring up that he did care about the springbok tour, wanted nz to go into iraq, is willing to sell out the nuclear free thing not even for energy but simply to scratch the US's back all point towards a pretty major disconnect between a large portion of NZers and keys thinking. not to say auntie helen doesnt have the same problem with other things...

it is interesting to think that had key been in charge in 2003 we would have obediently followed the US into iraq. does anyone really think this would have been a good idea?

vote ALCP :)

Colapop

15th October 2008, 06:27

Lord Helen's voice was the deeper of the two.

Kiwi Graham

15th October 2008, 06:43

Neither of them can have a conversation without resorting to shouting each other down. If one was allowed to speak they would ramble on padding out there sentences with 'nothing words' just so the other doesn't get the chance to speak.

If my kids behaved like these two they would be sat on the naughty spot :spanking:

I wont be voting for either of them. We need the little people in parliment to keep the fuckwits on there toes or else the country would be fucked.

Go Rodney :Punk:

Big Dan

15th October 2008, 07:15

Debate? oh was that last night oh well i watched something far more entertaining and closer to real life than two childish adults throwing their toys around

Wasn't the cricket and shortland street good last night - hehe

Murray

15th October 2008, 08:10

John key should be going for american presidency because he is a sleeze

"i grew up in a state house"

**kissing babys**

it's total bullshit.

So whats the bullshit???, he was brought up up in a state house (by a solo mother) and when did he mention ***kissing Babys***

Debate? oh was that last night oh well i watched something far more entertaining and closer to real life than two childish adults throwing their toys around

Wasn't the cricket and shortland street good last night - hehe

What hope do we have if our informed voters watch Shortland Street????

Usarka

15th October 2008, 08:15

Content doesnt matter shit in debates like this. The majority of people judge based on :girlfight: factor or whichever party they support.

i turned it off after 10 minutes. Mark Sainsbury is a complete cnut for allowing his debate to turn into a shout-over match off. But that gets ratings i guess....

Finn

15th October 2008, 08:34

Why not fix your teeth?

No dentist is prepared to take on the job. That cow could scare a dog out of a butcher.

Besides, with all that carpet munching any repair would only be temporary.

Mully

15th October 2008, 08:41

So whats the bullshit, he was brought up up in a state house (by a solo mother) and when did he mention ***kissing Babys***

Please do not feed the Troll. Once I'm in charge only productive members of society will be given the vote anyway.

I thought Key came across better. Seemed to have Helen on the ropes a fair bit (which is pretty hard given her experience). He's certainly had a fair bit of media training.

Although, who was that bloke standing to his (Key's) right? Allen someone. Sounded a bit like Barry White? He seems nice.

texn

15th October 2008, 10:53

I think they are all immature farkwits and we should sack the lot of em.
Politicians are like nappies. they both need to be changed often and both are full of shit.

jamiey

15th October 2008, 11:14

The only thing I heard was something about military boot camps for young scumbags. Gets my vote

Swoop

15th October 2008, 11:22

...........

MisterD

15th October 2008, 11:56

That bit they keep replaying on the news:

"You might be used to shouting people down at home..."

Priceless, she was rattled alright.

alanzs

15th October 2008, 15:54

the nation as a whole will not be happy either way, there will always something grizzle about. :done:

The truth well spoken...:2thumbsup

Maha

15th October 2008, 16:13

The truth well spoken...:2thumbsup

Its a wonder you could understand what I said....a few more words now added to make the sentence coherent.

Maha

15th October 2008, 16:17

Amen brother. But I confess I switched back in and out of it for a bit longer than 10 mins...

But yes, both idiots, neither have a clue.

And yet one of them will be Prime Minister of this country November 8/9th.
Reminds me of a Dire Straits lyric....''Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong''.

alanzs

15th October 2008, 17:36

And yet one of them will be Prime Minister of this country November 8/9th.
Reminds me of a Dire Straits lyric....''Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong''.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. :shit:

Manxman

15th October 2008, 17:54

John Key can club seals for fun at the weekends for all I care - he still gets my vote, for no other reason that the incumbent craves the power too much, which is a very bad indicator.

Oh, the condescending, "I know best" and 'only my opponent does bad stuff' attitude doesn't help her case either.

Viz...http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4728288a28435.html

oldrider

15th October 2008, 19:18

The left wing media are pushing her as hard as they can with their "selective" poll results!

Personally, I believe like Arnold used to say, she'll be back! :argh: Damn it, John.

rainman

15th October 2008, 19:45

John Key can club seals for fun at the weekends for all I care - he still gets my vote, for no other reason that the incumbent craves the power too much, which is a very bad indicator.

Oh puhleeze. And you think he's doing it out of noble love for the country...?

Pull the other one, it has bells on.

Manxman

15th October 2008, 19:56

Oh puhleeze. And you think he's doing it out of noble love for the country...?

Pull the other one, it has bells on.

Err, nope. That's why I said he can club seals for all I care. Don't recall saying anything about him being a white knight in shining armour...

Time for a change away from suffocating nanny state dictates and a party that craves power - and will do anything to retain it - that has lost sight of what it is there to achieve.

Dingaling BTW.:Pokey:

cs363

15th October 2008, 20:00

If John Key could give the seals a break and club Helenstein, Cullen and that fat slapper Sue Bradford I for one would be greatly appreciative.

short-circuit

15th October 2008, 20:36

Fuck me...(Kiwi)Bikers are a bunch of conservatives:no:

sad

mynameis

15th October 2008, 21:00

Yep, I thought he came across as more genuine and believable.
Results just shown of the phone / text responses showed roughly 32% vs 67% to him.

Lets hope come election day the results are like that too !

No dentist is prepared to take on the job. That cow could scare a dog out of a butcher.

Besides, with all that carpet munching any repair would only be temporary.

Finn for PM

cs363

15th October 2008, 21:14

Fuck me...(Kiwi)Bikers are a bunch of conservatives:no:

sad

I suspect it's more a case of motorcyclists being by nature individualistic, therefore broadly non-conformist and subsequently at odds with an overly controlling government that can't keep its nose out of your business and its hands out of your pockets.

Maha

15th October 2008, 21:18

Finn for PM

:laugh: Brilliant.....He looks like a short bald John Key....:eek:

Manxman

15th October 2008, 21:21

I suspect it's more a case of motorcyclists being by nature individualistic, therefore broadly non-conformist and subsequently at odds with an overly controlling government that can't keep its nose out of your business and its hands out of your pockets.

Abso-bloomin-lutely. I don't want people like Helen, or Chris Carter with their hands in my pockets, thank you very much.:shit:

rainman

15th October 2008, 21:33

Err, nope. That's why I said he can club seals for all I care. Don't recall saying anything about him being a white knight in shining armour...

Time for a change away from suffocating nanny state dictates and a party that craves power - and will do anything to retain it - that has lost sight of what it is there to achieve.

Dingaling BTW.:Pokey:

P'raps I misunderstood then. Sounded like you were saying:

You won't vote for Helen because she and Labour crave power too much.
You will vote for John (despite any other negative attributes) even though you recognise that he, too, craves power.

In which case I would think there's a word (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bigot) for that.

BIGBOSSMAN

15th October 2008, 21:53

Fuck me...(Kiwi)Bikers are a bunch of conservatives:no:

sad

Conservatives are the new radicals :niceone:

mister.koz

15th October 2008, 22:09

I saw about 15 mins in bursts of 3 or 4 mins at a time, it was completely pathetic. All the debate proved was that Helen Clark gets pissed when she doesn't get to have her say and John Key knows this well.

How is it acceptable that people who are supposed to be political leaders and or role models are allowed to bicker and name call about issues based soley on opinions of an individual? We run a democracy remember the party leader or prime minister doesn't have final say they are part of a vote from essentially a senate of people.

Its a marketting excersize that only proves the obviousness of the dishonesty of our political leaders, so who should i choose? the most obviously dishonest or the one who hides it better?

I do find it funny and a little concerning that Key's self promotion is based around business and politics. My aspect of business is that you essentially attempt to provide a product or service to extract as much revenue from the customers (is that tax payers) with the least effort.

We need a change but is capitolism the direction to take?

I am not convinced...

Finn

16th October 2008, 09:53

Fuck me...(Kiwi)Bikers are a bunch of conservatives:no:

sad

Welcome to democracy. We're winning so why is that sad? It's just unfortunate that we've all lost out over the past 9 years.

Murray

16th October 2008, 10:36

Welcome to democracy. We're winning so why is that sad? It's just unfortunate that we've all lost out over the past 9 years.

Hey whats been wrong with the last 9 years. The government has run at surplus'es of billions throughout that period!!!! Damn shame I didn't get to see any off it, but someone must have????

Amazing that when we are now in deficit they can afford to give me a tax break at last???? Politics is so hard to understand (bribes aren't tho)

Didn't Labour promise 6 years ago at election time to give tax breaks and then Mickey Mouse Cullen said we couldn't afford them with his 5 billion dollar surplus.

Then Labour asks us to trust them??????

Indiana_Jones

16th October 2008, 15:54

Hey whats been wrong with the last 9 years. The government has run at surplus'es of billions throughout that period!!!! Damn shame I didn't get to see any off it, but someone must have????

Amazing that when we are now in deficit they can afford to give me a tax break at last???? Politics is so hard to understand (bribes aren't tho)

Didn't Labour promise 6 years ago at election time to give tax breaks and then Mickey Mouse Cullen said we couldn't afford them with his 5 billion dollar surplus.

Then Labour asks us to trust them??????

Funny, I was thinking the same thing lol.

Oh yea, Helen wants a 'mini budget' in December, translation, take back tax cuts

-Indy

Swoop

16th October 2008, 16:24

Oh puhleeze. And you think he's doing it out of noble love for the country...?
I don't see Heilen giving her/his(?) wages to charity...

Manxman

16th October 2008, 17:07

P'raps I misunderstood then. Sounded like you were saying:

You won't vote for Helen because she and Labour crave power too much.
You will vote for John (despite any other negative attributes) even though you recognise that he, too, craves power.

In which case I would think there's a word (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bigot) for that.

Nah, what I was was saying, I will vote for 'John' <your word>...(despite any other negative attributes) even though I recognise that he, too, is bad for NZ. Just not as bad.

That clear enough for you?

If not, I'll regurge an earlier post:
Key = Cnut
Clark = Cnuter

cs363

16th October 2008, 17:13

I reckon National should make an ad with this as the theme song:

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Maha

16th October 2008, 17:17

I reckon National should make an ad with this as the theme song:

'Hey Hey We're the Monkeys would be more suited....

JK is as crooked as Helens teeth....he has done a turn about on the Maori Seat Saga from the other night...who the hell writes his scripts???

rainman

16th October 2008, 19:45

Key = Cnut
Clark = Cnuter

Fair 'nuff, got it now. Thought you might have been a common or garden blue party bigot. My apologies...

Manxman

16th October 2008, 19:55

Fair 'nuff, got it now. Thought you might have been a common or garden blue party bigot. My apologies...

All good. :msn-wink:

Def not a blue bigot...for sure they do plenty of bad shti.

short-circuit

17th October 2008, 06:04

Welcome to democracy. We're winning so why is that sad? It's just unfortunate that we've all lost out over the past 9 years.

Nah sad to find so many bikers are also tory scum who want all the benefits of a civilised society without contributing to it...enough to put one off KB.

cs363

17th October 2008, 09:59

benefits of a civilised society without contributing to it...enough to put one off KB.

Sounds more like the description of a typical Labour voter to me :chase:

avgas

17th October 2008, 10:24

Firecracker party.
Vote for me and i will level the beehive.

MisterD

17th October 2008, 11:06

JK is as crooked as Helens teeth....he has done a turn about on the Maori Seat Saga from the other night...who the hell writes his scripts???

Sorry, please take your Duncan Garner signature red-tinted specs off and explain how...I know the left need desperately to force the Maori to support Lairbour but the situation is still the same:

They've met, discussed it, it's not a bottom-line policy for National but no formal agreement is in place. If the left want to spin it that National have agreed to ditch a policy for three elections hence, perhaps the question that should be asked of Sharples is "So have you agreed to go into coalition with National?"

oldrider

17th October 2008, 15:21

Sorry, please take your Duncan Garner signature red-tinted specs off and explain how...I know the left need desperately to force the Maori to support Lairbour but the situation is still the same:

They've met, discussed it, it's not a bottom-line policy for National but no formal agreement is in place. If the left want to spin it that National have agreed to ditch a policy for three elections hence, perhaps the question that should be asked of Sharples is "So have you agreed to go into coalition with National?"

Agreed.

Left wing media are realy clutching at straws to make an "issue" out this topic. :confused:

Key has been saying this all along, the Maori seats are not a big deal to National at present but has kept the Maori party alert to the fact that they will be be at a later date if they ever get to that stage of development.

There is probably a lot of water to flow under the bridge before this ever becomes an issue for immediate action! :doh:

Clark asks the question, can you trust Key? Well I don't know the answer to that but do I "know" absolutely that you can't trust Clark!

If the voters are that shallow, god help New Zealand! :shit: Well, Tui moment here, Yeah right! :shifty: John.

Maha

17th October 2008, 15:47

cs363

17th October 2008, 16:07

I dont take politics that seriously....no seriously....:eek:

You're in good company - if you spend any time watching Parliament on TV it's reasonably evident that the politicians don't take politics that seriously either! Most of the time it resembles a badly behaved intermediate school class..... :laugh:

Robert Taylor

17th October 2008, 19:54

Nah sad to find so many bikers are also tory scum who want all the benefits of a civilised society without contributing to it...enough to put one off KB.

Well Im one of those ''tory scum'' that you so scathingly and simplistically refer to. Im such a scumbag I pay my staff well and am very flexible if they need time off, as long as they compensate elsewhere. A fair days pay for a fair days work.
As a tory scumbag I really resent the excess tax I have to pay. I believe in social compassion and for people to be given a handup, but I certainly resent the fact that for many living off the state has become a cruisy way of life. And I include in that the oversized armies of civil servants. I also resent my taxes being squandered for blatant election bribes and for social engineering that is rammed down my throat on state television etc.
9 years of squandering a golden opportunity ( with high commodity prices ) to advance NZ business and real rather than artificial employment prospects. ( Cullen is a cocky little beetle who deserves to be squashed on the floor ) I hope an incoming National led Government will reinvigorate something that has been lost by many, the need to work hard to earn a decent living.

MisterD

17th October 2008, 20:29

Guyon Espiner (sp) actually..

National Voters/supporters are just too easy to wind up.
Anything I have said in this thread was done so to get a bite, works everytime. I dont take politics that seriously....no seriously....:eek:

Duncan, Guyon, Fran Mouldy it seems that everyone in the NZMSM is a raving pinko except Garth George...

Anyway, MisterD is with Indy (:shit:) Rodney's The Man.

Quailboy

17th October 2008, 20:51

Hey whats been wrong with the last 9 years. The government has run at surplus'es of billions throughout that period!!!! Damn shame I didn't get to see any off it, but someone must have????

Amazing that when we are now in deficit they can afford to give me a tax break at last???? Politics is so hard to understand (bribes aren't tho)

Its called an Expansionary Fiscal Policy.

Put money into an economy, increase aggregate demand, which will stimulate the economy, spur on producers to produce more to increase aggregate supply so that the country can get back on its feet and jobs can be kept.

Key has got the right idea (from more practical, non-theoretical experience).