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carver

14th October 2008, 20:37

McJim

14th October 2008, 20:41

No point in voting - they're all fuckwits.

carver

14th October 2008, 20:42

No point in voting - they're all fuckwits.

i almost agree with you, i can see why there is a low voter turnout!

Crasherfromwayback

14th October 2008, 20:44

you're not old enough to vote?

McJim

14th October 2008, 20:46

i almost agree with you, i can see why there is a low voter turnout!

It's not apathy it's just that I don't find any of the candidates credible and don't believe any of their policies have been properly thought through.

In short, the political smorgasbord I have been presented with doesn't have anything that I like.

jrandom

14th October 2008, 20:47

'Most Kiwis' are mouth-breathing morons. This is reflected in all aspects of life, voting decisions being only one.

Unfortunately, that is true of every country everywhere.

Human nature can be a depressing thing to contemplate.

jrandom

14th October 2008, 20:48

In short, the political smorgasbord I have been presented with doesn't have anything that I like.

Surely, though, you cannot argue against the wisdom of ticking the leaf (http://www.alcp.org.nz/)?

:niceone:

Coyote

14th October 2008, 20:48

The vast majority simply don't care. They can't be bothered paying any more attention than maybe watching the news. And all you get on there is "Labour/National did something baaaaad. What's National/Labour's leader got to say on the matter?".

Trudes

14th October 2008, 20:49

I agree, and think the majority of us are sheep, uneducated sheep. I don't recall being taught anything about politics or even how the government works, even fundamentally, had to go to University to learn these things.... at 30 for Christ's sake!
So I reckon a lot of people who don't know any better follow along and vote for who their parents vote for, or who yells the loudest or who can bull-shit the most and wouldn't have a clue what the real polices of each party are. There are also a lot of people who don't know who to vote for, or don't care so vote for who looks the most attractive,..... or just don't vote at all. Go figure.

McJim

14th October 2008, 20:51

Surely, though, you cannot argue against the wisdom of ticking the leaf (http://www.alcp.org.nz/)?

:niceone:

Large swathes of my late adolescence/early adulthood are missing due to the dubious benefits of 'the leaf'. I suspect I may have enjoyed some of that time but alas I cannot remember any of it.

fatzx10r

14th October 2008, 20:53

about time we started a KB political party then :laugh:

jtzzr

14th October 2008, 20:54

on the population?

how their parents vote

with their wallet

by fear of change

by how everyone else votes

by what they think should be forced on all of us.

!

Both my parents are dead , no help there

My wallet is black and sometimes empty , so I need money from any source

I don`t fear change , if I don`t change my motor will blow up

Don`t give a shit what others vote , only because I don`t give shit

Fuck , I think we are all screwed on that one:2guns::2guns:

Coyote

14th October 2008, 20:57

Must admit I'm hugely influenced by my Dad. He once worked for the Alliance and has some strong political views. Pretty much what I go on about really.

Course now I know far too much and it's all very depressing and suicide plagues my thoughts as I feel helpless in this shitty world full of idiots and run by an elite few for their gain. I need a fucking ZX10R.

http://imagechan.com/img/3685/climate/

PrincessBandit

14th October 2008, 20:58

It's not apathy it's just that I don't find any of the candidates credible and don't believe any of their policies have been properly thought through.

In short, the political smorgasbord I have been presented with doesn't have anything that I like.

Apathy and the feeling that wherever we cast our vote isn't likely to make much change happen is likely the main factor in our attitude (sweeping generalisation i know). Maybe we should opt for a dictatorship. Oh hang on we've pretty much got one of those already.
I just find it all so confusing, I really think I need to shut my eyes and block my ears and hope it all goes away. The reality is that no one party is going to provide us with what we want and they're too pigheaded to collaborate and pool the best ideas from all groups. We'll end up with one or two good policies and a heap load of shit ones, kinda like the packages you get from Sky (a whole array of rubbish channels which are tagged to the couple that you actually want).

McJim

14th October 2008, 20:58

I agree, and think the majority of us are sheep, uneducated sheep.

Actually, that one sentence explains quite a lot.....:rofl:

oldrider

14th October 2008, 20:59

what gives one party the right to impose its values on the population?
some of you know where i stand, but it seems to me most kiwi's vote based on:

how their parents vote

with their wallet

by fear of change

by how everyone else votes

by what they think should be forced on all of us.

for fucks sake, someone please think when your voting and see the big picture and open your mind a bit, no matter which way you vote, we do not need the govt on our backs to keep this country going!

Simple answer: Because New Zealanders are conditioned by the Government sponsered education system to think and act like socialists!

In other words surrender their souls to the State. :confused:

Governments are tools of the people, socialists believe that the people are the property of the government. Tui moment here, yeah right!

Governments steal your money and use it to promote themselves and their own ideas to keep themselve in power and you let them do it. :doh:

Good free thinking post Carver. :niceone: Cheers, John.

jrandom

14th October 2008, 21:00

Large swathes of my late adolescence/early adulthood are missing due to the dubious benefits of 'the leaf'.

Obviously its illegal status at the time went a long way toward saving you from yourself, eh?

:mellow:

I offer for your consideration the idea of legal sales of alcohol and cannabis products to people aged 21 and over. (Lowering the drinking age to 18 was a shocking idea, IMHO.)

Intelligent policies along those lines could motivate a social shift away from a culture of teenage drug abuse. Goodness knows the system we have now isn't working.

Of course, one can never, in the end, save people from themselves. And some hold the opinion that it's better not to try...

Quasievil

14th October 2008, 21:00

what gives one party the right to impose its values on the population?

Communisim ???

Timber020

14th October 2008, 21:03

what gives one party the right to impose its values on the population?
some of you know where i stand, but it seems to me most kiwi's vote based on:

how their parents vote

with their wallet

by fear of change

by how everyone else votes

by what they think should be forced on all of us.

for fucks sake, someone please think when your voting and see the big picture and open your mind a bit, no matter which way you vote, we do not need the govt on our backs to keep this country going!

Sounds like someone doesnt like the latest opinion polls. You think in any way NZ is any different to any other nation? We could be more like the US where you vote depending on

Colour of the candidate

Whose pro gun

Who is prettiest

Who is anti/pro gay

Who is anti/gay abbortion

Who wants god in schools

Who is pro war

Welcome to the real world.

Marmoot

14th October 2008, 21:04

No point in voting - they're all fuckwits.

If you don't vote against the worst fuckwits, you can be sure they'll be on the top.

Marmoot

14th October 2008, 21:05

Sounds like someone doesnt like the latest opinion polls. You think in any way NZ is any different to any other nation? We could be more like the US where you vote depending on

Colour of the candidate

Whose pro gun

Who is prettiest

Who is anti/pro gay

Who is anti/gay abbortion

Who wants god in schools

Who is pro war

Welcome to the real world.

I don't have a problem with those. I have a problem with government who tells me how much water I can use for shower.

boomer

14th October 2008, 21:32

I don't have a problem with those. I have a problem with government who tells me i need to shower.

you fookin should shower.. ya stink !

Almost like being told how much salt you can have on ya fush and chups huh !!!???!!! Silly Wiggers

Motu

14th October 2008, 21:39

by fear of change

And wanting a change.

Also it's not so much how your parents voted (My parents never told me how they voted,or told me how to vote) but by your social enviroment as a young person.And that doesn't mean you vote the same as your peers - as we saw tonight,John Key was brought up by a solo mum in a State house,it didn't mean he wanted to stay that way.

If you were lucky your genes gave you a brain to think for yourself,and you can make your own decisions.There are blind plodders on both side of the camp - and that's the worst part,most can only see two choices....or one really,the one they choose.

Dargor

14th October 2008, 22:02

Carver, you should have come to uni today. Winstin Peters was there, you could have insulted him on behalf of your mormon race.

carver

15th October 2008, 03:50

Carver, you should have come to uni today. Winstin Peters was there, you could have insulted him on behalf of your mormon race.

mormon race?
you mean race into him on a pit bike wearing nothing but a mormon few t shirt?

or take him out the back and ram it into him with sidewinder to let him know what its like to be a taxpayer?

Number One

15th October 2008, 06:08

It's not apathy it's just that I don't find any of the candidates credible and don't believe any of their policies have been properly thought through.

In short, the political smorgasbord I have been presented with doesn't have anything that I like.
My thoughts exactly.

I feel as if I SHOULD vote - ya know to 'have my say' and all...BUT I don't want to give a vote to a party I have no faith in or respect for...and that's pretty much all of them.
My aim is to figure out who the lesser of all the evils is in time to vote!

no-coast-punk

15th October 2008, 06:41

Man... you guys are funny.

I'm moving to NZ because out of all the places I've been/heard about the Kiwi's have their heads up their ass to the shallowest degree.

Hell, at least you guys vote. More people there showed up to vote than stayed home over here in the US.

You guys also also legitimately have more than two parties.

Quasievil

15th October 2008, 07:11

Morcs

15th October 2008, 08:48

Vote Morcs for PM.

vifferman

15th October 2008, 09:10

we do not need the govt on our backs to keep this country going!
That's a remarkably astute thing to say, Mr Carver.
Indeed we do not - the Gummint has waaaaayyy too many bureaucrats and hangers-on, and has passed way too many stupid pieces of legislation (as has local gummint). What we need is fewer bureaucrats, and fewer rules'n'regulations, especially of the social programming/manipulation type.

mj_scorpio

15th October 2008, 09:11

I'm pretty sure bill an ben off pulp sport have a legitimate party.... slogan is: no policies, no disappointment...mayb a last resort??

MisterD

15th October 2008, 09:23

What's the world coming to? Yesterday we had SkidMark commenting on the stockmarket, today it's Carver on politics - I feel dizzy.:confused:

Murray

15th October 2008, 09:38

No point in voting - they're all fuckwits.

Why are they all fuckwits??

No point in voting if all voters are fuckwits

Finn

15th October 2008, 10:30

What's the world coming to? Yesterday we had SkidMark commenting on the stockmarket, today it's Carver on politics - I feel dizzy.:confused:

I want to fight for World peace.

Edit: My bad, I meant domination. As you were.

Swoop

15th October 2008, 11:17

I want to fight for World peace.
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.

MisterD

15th October 2008, 11:43

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/palinbq.jpg

Good old Kiwiblog

mstriumph

15th October 2008, 12:14

what gives one party the right to impose its values on the population?
some of you know where i stand, but it seems to me most kiwi's vote based on:

how their parents vote

with their wallet

by fear of change

by how everyone else votes

by what they think should be forced on all of us.

for fucks sake, someone please think when your voting and see the big picture and open your mind a bit, no matter which way you vote, we do not need the govt on our backs to keep this country going!

even if all voters voted in full knowledge and acceptance of the above and avoided the pitfalls you've suggested IT WOULD STILL BE POLITICIANS THAT GOT ELECTED .......

unfortunately there's no easy way out of that one :mellow:

Richard Mc F

15th October 2008, 12:50

Wtf....a socially responsible post from carver and not in pd yet!

Just get out and vote, i don't care who for but vote ffs

SPman

15th October 2008, 13:30

Governments steal your money and use it to promote themselves and their own ideas to keep themselve in power and you let them do it. :doh:And that's, unfortunately, applicable to groups from the far left to the far right.
Thomas Jefferson had the right idea back in 1787:-

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and:-

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and:-

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Ever wondered why governments like to disarm the populace........
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alanzs

15th October 2008, 15:51

When people start questioning authority and "the ways things are" it can promote change. VOTE!

carver

15th October 2008, 16:05

That's a remarkably astute thing to say, Mr Carver.
Indeed we do not - the Gummint has waaaaayyy too many bureaucrats and hangers-on, and has passed way too many stupid pieces of legislation (as has local gummint). What we need is fewer bureaucrats, and fewer rules'n'regulations, especially of the social programming/manipulation type.

then why do we put up with and encourage it?

Jiminy

15th October 2008, 16:06

I feel as if I SHOULD vote - ya know to 'have my say' and all...BUT I don't want to give a vote to a party I have no faith in or respect for...and that's pretty much all of them.
My aim is to figure out who the lesser of all the evils is in time to vote!

In New Zealand, can you cast a blank vote? Kind of saying that you want to vote but there is nothing worth voting for? This is a bit more powerful than not voting altogether...

Hell, at least you guys vote. More people there showed up to vote than stayed home over here in the US.

You guys also also legitimately have more than two parties.

The beginning of democracy? :lol:

tri boy

15th October 2008, 17:58

Vote for me.
You will all get a Triumph Scrambler for Xmas, and on your birthday, you can have three wishes granted.............
What, don't you believe me...........
Policies and propaganda are exactly like that.
Believe not a word of it. Get on with life, and be kind to each other.:hug: