A site for people who hate HOONS and boyracers

[cave weta]

check out the video.... This guys serious!
http://www.ihatehoons.com

[Headbanger]

I was a hoon once.


About 8 minutes ago.

I get my wife to remind me to be a bit more realistic when I start scowling at young people.

Damn kids with there rock music and silly clothes,,,,,,,:rockon::rockon::rockon:

[more_fasterer]

This campaign is not against young drivers.


HOON
Any young male or female who drives in a manner
which is antisocial towards the standards of modern
day society.

Er... hypocrisy in the first 2 sentences on the site's homepage? Nice work.

[007XX]

Don't think I'm old enough yet for that type of site...I enjoyed too much doing my first lovely burnout in a public carpark the other day :D :headbang:

I was so proud!!!!

[nodrog]

that website should be called "i hate new bullshit laws that label me as a boyracer cos i drive a skyline etc"

the world needs more Hoons instead of namby pamby new age softcocks that thought madmax was a documentary, and everybody with a loud exhaust is going to rape your wife and eat your baby.

[CookMySock]

LOL 10 chars

[dipshit]

So being a fuckwit on the roads is sociably acceptable and a part of kiwi culture...???

[Usarka]

Interesting marketing strategy....... the guy sells car chips and says he isn't going to install into a hoons car, but its ok if you've added 95hp to your new audi because surely you always drive sensibly.....

what a cnut.

[CookMySock]

So being a fuckwit on the roads is sociably acceptable and a part of kiwi culture...???Sure. :killingme

Hurting other people doing it, is not.

Steve

[dipshit]

Sure. :killingme

Hurting other people doing it, is not.


There's the rub. It's all fun and games and shits and giggles and everybody is the best driver in the world...

...until someone gets hurt.


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[nodrog]

So being a fuckwit on the roads is sociably acceptable and a part of kiwi culture...???

you have never done a skid (no matter how small) in a public place, on purpose, anywhere, ever, in your lifetime?

[bucket boy]

you have never done a skid (no matter how small) in a public place, on purpose, anywhere, ever, in your lifetime?

not me i drive good

[CookMySock]

There's the rub. It's all fun and games and shits and giggles and everybody is the best driver in the world......until someone gets hurt.Yup. It is. Everything is like that - think about it. Scuba diving, paragliding, base jumping, sliding down grassy hills in cardboard boxes, playing with matches/knives/fireworks - the list can go on and on. Fuck it up, and die.

Would you jump off a ledge of unknown height in the dark and unknown landing terrain? On the weekend I did, and now I have a fucked ankle - yeah we're not invincible. I was playing hide-and-seek with the kids, but the road is a whole new category, as is everything else in that list.

Steve

[Badjelly]

Yup. It is. Everything is like that - think about it. Scuba diving, paragliding, base jumping, sliding down grassy hills in cardboard boxes, playing with matches/knives/fireworks - the list can go on and on. Fuck it up, and die.

The thing about taking risks on the road is, fuck it up and you may kill someone else.

[dipshit]

you have never done a skid (no matter how small) in a public place, on purpose, anywhere, ever, in your lifetime?

So if everybody does it (it is sociably acceptable and part of our culture apparently) then it makes it okay..???

[CookMySock]

The thing about taking risks on the road is, fuck it up and you may kill someone else.Exactly. Have fun, but stay out of the risky shit.


So if everybody does it (it is sociably acceptable and part of our culture apparently) then it makes it okay..???Fuck no, it wouldn't be fun any more if everyone did it.

Cmon maan, I'm not saying doing risky and dangerous things are ok - I'm saying "goofing off and being an iriot is fine as long as you don't hurt anyone, including yourself."

Live a little.

Steve

[nodrog]

So if everybody does it (it is sociably acceptable and part of our culture apparently) then it makes it okay..???

obviously its only ok if you do it

[Katman]

No-one ever seems to give a fuck about consequences.

(Well, not until after the fact anyway).

[nodrog]

theres a difference between doing dounuts in the middle of queen street, compared to doing a skid in the maungatapere metal dump.

[dipshit]

I was playing hide-and-seek with the kids, but the road is a whole new category, as is everything else in that list.



Using a vehicle on the road is more like using a firearm. It must be treated with respect because you can very easily take someone's or your own life if you get it wrong.

Yet so many people have the attitude that the roads are like some kind of playground to have "fun" on. Having some laughs and being the hero with your mates is going to feel pale in comparison to the feelings of guilt for the rest of your life after killing or severely injuring someone. And this does happen all too often in NZ.

All the remorse and feeling sorry for yourself afterwards isn't going to change anything.

Just like how I can clearly remember my firearms instructor telling the class when I was going for my firearms licence many years ago... "if you do accidentally shoot someone - I don't want to hear how sorry you are... that's all bullshit. Nothing is ever going to stop that bullet travelling down the barrel once you have pulled the trigger. The trick is to grow a brain before you do anything stupid."

[dipshit]

No-one ever seems to give a fuck about consequences.

(Well, not until after the fact anyway).

By which time it is too late.

[avgas]

While some of what dipshit says is valid it isn't so black and white really.
I openly admit that i have my "hoon" moments.
But i am not un-educated, nor do i lack a brain.
I could in fact state that i'm a pretty good driver......not because i drive calmly or the fact that i have not caused an accident since those scary learning years. But down to 1 very clear and fine reason.....
I know the limits of things
- I know the limits of my car/bike/tractor/forklift......whatever
- I know the limits of what could happen
- I know the limits of how people could react
- I know how far i could slide, what the brakes WILL do (its different to what they tell you as well!), my exit strategies, and almost traffic forecasting to what is around the corner.

I remain in these limits, even remain on them on occasion.
I pick my times appropriately.
But i know some people out there will see me, and just simply tag me hoon. And i simply don't care - because i know at the end of the day jealousy is a cruel bitch, and when they see me doing my thing and NOT relying on luck they realize what lack of skill they possess.
That is the way here, everyone assumes they know better than everyone else. I know i'm not the greatest, and i LEARN from those above me not bitch about it.

[Katman]

- I know the limits of how people could react


I can't quite see how you've figured this one out.

[dipshit]

Cmon maan, I'm not saying doing risky and dangerous things are ok - I'm saying "goofing off and being an iriot is fine as long as you don't hurt anyone, including yourself."

Live a little.

Take a look at this incident that happened a few months ago down here in Dunedin.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/10155/drivers-fatal-crash-face-charges

A father was taking his kids down the street to return some DVDs. Just for fun he let them ride in the boot of the car. At the same time a 24 year-old guy was taking his teenaged nephews for a burn in his Subaru. Residents in the street reported hearing the Subaru absolutely gunning it down the street before the impact.

People do get killed quite regularly in NZ from "having a bit of fun". Do you think the Subaru driver thinks it was all worth it just to show off how fast his car was to his nephews? I bet nobody thought the evening would turn out the way it did. Things go pear shape in the blink of an eye. How is one supposed to know what the limit is to having a bit of a loon without someone getting hurt... until someone gets hurt? Do you think he would do things differently if he could magically turn back time?

[CookMySock]

While some of what dipshit says is valid it isn't so black and white really.

[...]

- I know the limits of my car/bike/tractor/forklift......whatever
- I know the limits of what could happen
- I know the limits of how people could react
- I know how far i could slide, what the brakes WILL do (its different to what they tell you as well!), my exit strategies, and almost traffic forecasting to what is around the corner.

I remain in these limits, even remain on them on occasion.Many of these things are not exact sciences. It is easy to persuade ourselves we have a handle on all this, when often we simply do not - it is a glorious fantastic illusion, and then there is statistics to contend with - we don't always win.

Be a hoon I reckon, dodge the feds and have a good time, just remember that theres someones daddy, wife, L-Plater son, teenage daughter, etc, right around the next corner that you could cut in half - and don't just get past them safely, make it look like it too.


Steve

[dipshit]

I could in fact state that i'm a pretty good driver.

And so does virtually everybody else.

[CookMySock]

Take a look at this incident that happened a few months ago down here in Dunedin.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/10155/drivers-fatal-crash-face-charges

[...] People do get killed fairly regularly in NZ from "having a bit of fun". Do you think the Subaru driver thinks it was all worth it just to show off how fast his car was to his nephews? [....] Do you think he would do things differently if he could magically turn back time?I agree with you completely. I have a Hilux Surf with no seats in the rear. The girls would DEARLY love to fill the back with mattresses and do a trip in there. The answer is no. They look at me like they hate me, and the answer is still no. :oi-grr: BUT I will TEACH her how to wheelie.

All of the paragliding people I know have had an incident - some of them serious, and some of them are dead. Same goes for scuba diving, flying planes, you name it - it happens.

That is pretty much a freak accident though, and this is what I mean by things being not-exact sciences, and statistics catching up with you in the end.

"We are not as clever as we think we are."

Steve

[dipshit]

"We are not as clever as we think we are."

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.

[R6_kid]

Lol, why has this turned into a safety debate? That website is pure marketing for his company 'superchips'... also I think i recognise him as the guy who runs the 'Carver' outfit at Coromandel - funnily enough the website is supported by both of the other two companies... how convenient.

[CookMySock]

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.I think you can try all you like with that - I don't think you will get far.

Steve

[Katman]

I think you can try all you like with that - I don't think you will get far.

Steve

I, for one, won't stop trying.

The attitude on NZ's roads needs changing.

[Ixion]

I agree with you completely. I have a Hilux Surf with no seats in the rear. The girls would DEARLY love to fill the back with mattresses and do a trip in there. The answer is no. They look at me like they hate me, and the answer is still no. :oi-grr: BUT I will TEACH her how to wheelie.

..

I had a van like that when I was young. But i had to persuade the girls into it. Never clocked up many miles in it.

[orangeback]

There's the rub. It's all fun and games and shits and giggles and everybody is the best driver in the world...

...until someone gets hurt.


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the full version to metallica , has alot more impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-_wn9mSfI

[DMNTD]

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.

You are correct however there will always be younguns and not so younguns that will always feel the need to "clown around" to some extent...fact.
Personally I'd like to see places where stunting,drifting etc could be held and even supported by the authorities and maybe raise the penalties for doing any of the above on public roads.
It's always going to happen...therefore adapting is the better approach IMO

[DMNTD]

the full version to metallica , has alot more impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-_wn9mSfI

Wow... :pinch:

[Ixion]

I fail to see the relevance of the posted video clips.

Although entitled "The faster the speed the bigegr the mess", I saw nothing in either that suggested that the featured crashes owed anything to excessive speed.

Two involved crashes at what appeared to be reasonable open road speeds, in which incompetent drivers lost control of their vehicles. I would suggest that for such drivers no speed is safe. However, neither of them were engaged in anything hoonish. The third was aimed at drink driving , and speed was quite irrelevant. The fourth, where a young boy walked out straight in front of a van because he was txting , is rather malevolent. The van was doing nothing wrong, and the boy walked straight in front of him, yet the authors of the video would have us accept that somehow it was the driver's fault.

Fairer messages would be
"Don't attempt to drive when you are not competent to do so"
"Don't drive when pissed"
"don't txt and walk"

[Katman]

The fourth, where a young boy walked out straight in front of a van because he was txting , is rather malevolent. The van was doing nothing wrong, and the boy walked straight in front of him, yet the authors of the video would have us accept that somehow it was the driver's fault.



I think that, because the driver of the van wasn't visually identified, there isn't the intention to 'blame' them.

I think the ad is simply trying to ask "Have you left enough leeway for the unexpected?"

[Headbanger]

I think if you step in front of a transit van you deserve to get hit.

[Madness]

the full version to metallica , has alot more impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-_wn9mSfI

What Demontoad said, Wow......

[Katman]

I think if you step in front of a transit van you deserve to get hit.

I don't necessarily disagree, but...........



.......it would be nice to think we could all drive (and ride) in a manner that gives everyone else a second chance.

[EJT]

Lol, why has this turned into a safety debate? That website is pure marketing for his company 'superchips'... also I think i recognise him as the guy who runs the 'Carver' outfit at Coromandel - funnily enough the website is supported by both of the other two companies... how convenient.

Agree R6. That website was the biggest most pathetic excuse of shite for wasting my broadband that I have seen for a long time. I see that he proudly displays the Caver "as seen on Top Gear", a show that has the biggest couple of hoons on TV. Maybe he doesn't think so because they are not young.

[EJT]

the full version to metallica , has alot more impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-_wn9mSfI

Their ads are so much more effective than ours.

[dipshit]

I fail to see the relevance of the posted video clips.

Although entitled "The faster the speed the bigegr the mess", I saw nothing in either that suggested that the featured crashes owed anything to excessive speed.

I actually think the first one I posted is very relevant to the problems of young drivers.

They tend to have a much higher opinion of their own driving skills than they actually have. They do gun it down the street thinking they are Michael Schumacher. Add to their overconfidence a feeling of invincibility and being ten foot tall and bullet-proof. Yet they do not have the experience or level headedness that is needed. Overreacting to situations is one of the major reasons younger drivers lose control. Just like in that vid.

[Slicksta]

OI speeding never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary thats the killer!

[CookMySock]

.......it would be nice to think we could all drive (and ride) in a manner that gives everyone else a second chance.The problem with that is, then everyone expects it and then its YOUR FAULT that you didn't come through for them when THEY fuck up, because you didn't give them the extra leeway.

Life cant, and doesnt, work like this, or else we end up descending into arguments like "why was I so near the centerline in my lane when you hit me head-on" when it was you who crossed the centreline, not me. It doesnt work.

If you really want to promote personal responsibility you can't start assuming someone elses responsibilities, because to be fair - they would have to start taking over yours. We are all better served to just make sure we are personally ok.

Steve

[Katman]

The problem with that is, then everyone expects it and then its YOUR FAULT that you didn't come through for them when THEY fuck up, because you didn't give them the extra leeway.

Life cant, and doesnt, work like this, or else we end up descending into arguments like "why was I so near the centerline in my lane when you hit me head-on" when it was you who crossed the centreline, not me. It doesnt work.

If you really want to promote personal responsibility you can't start assuming someone elses responsibilities, because to be fair - they would have to start taking over yours. We are all better served to just make sure we are personally ok.

Steve

How incredibly short sighted of you.

(But then again, that doesn't surprise me).

[CookMySock]

How incredibly short sighted of you.

(But then again, that doesn't surprise me).Rude. You know, you COULD quit being a jerk, and just talk about things concisely and rationally instead of the personal remarks and insults. Why resort to abuse? Is it because you are losing the argument?

Steve

[avgas]

I can't quite see how you've figured this one out.
Assuming they are trying to kill me covers the worst case scenario........its funny the amount of drivers/riders who get on their bike and think they wont be ASSASSINATED on the road.

[Katman]

its funny the amount of drivers/riders who get on their bike and think they wont be ASSASSINATED on the road.

Well I certainly don't approach motorcycling thinking that people are out to kill me. I approach it thinking I'm out to keep myself alive.

[avgas]

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.
What makes you think this should happen ON THE ROAD? the road is the worst place to train anyone anything.
When you teach people about rifles - would the first thing you do is give them the bullets?
Teach them about the road after they have learnt to drive.
Standing on a high horse saying "Slow down you hoons" while chucking them the keys to the car is like masturbating with razor blades.
Kids should respect everything, come down hard on them when they fuck up - IT IS THEIR FAULT. Show them consequence.
The road is a dangerous place even without hoons, diesel is a silent killer, as is gravel. Show them the world is going to try and kill them and they will be better for it.

[CookMySock]

Kids should respect everything, come down hard on them when they fuck up - IT IS THEIR FAULT. Show them consequence.Yep. I find no need to be hard on them, personally. Consequence itself does an extraordinarily good job at it for me. I do most of my teaching/persuasion through horrific stories, ie the <a href="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1696388#post1696388">cardboard box</a> story.

Steve

[Katman]

Why resort to abuse? Is it because you are losing the argument?



No, it's because I enjoy abusing you.

[PrincessBandit]

I had a van like that when I was young. But i had to persuade the girls into it. Never clocked up many miles in it.
And what type of "miles" are we talking about here then......:shifty: lol


I think if you step in front of a transit van you deserve to get hit.
Understandable sentiment to a degree, but I see students every day leaving school crossing busy roads miles away (either on their phones talking or texting or programming their ipods etc) and it's not so easy to be so hardhearted....


I think that, because the driver of the van wasn't visually identified, there isn't the intention to 'blame' them.
I think the ad is simply trying to ask "Have you left enough leeway for the unexpected?"
Well that's the biggie isn't it? Leaving enough leeway for the unexpected is one of the most important things (and I did say one of....things) we should be incorporating into our driving/riding but so easily overlooked from inside our bubble of invincibility. Sure there can always be something totally unavoidable, but the idea is to minimise those occurances.

p.s. going back to the op, close up tonight should be interesting - talk of raising the age for a drivers licence being brought up.

[Headbanger]

Understandable sentiment to a degree, but I see students every day leaving school crossing busy roads miles away (either on their phones talking or texting or programming their ipods etc) and it's not so easy to be so hardhearted....



Let me set the scene.

I was 15, mass exodus of students from the school grounds, I ride my bicycle to the end of the drive way, stop, look at the bus barrelling down the road in my direction, Decide to wait till is passed.

Another kid, my age, rides straight past me on my left onto the road.

BANG, bus hits him fair and square, he is sucked under the front, his bike hooks up under the bus, he is tangled up in it and held there, dragged under the bus, 20m down the road he comes loose, get run over by the rear set of wheels and spat out the side of the bus into the gutter. I watched the entire event unfold almost directly in front of me.


The lesson learned, Don't fuck with buses.

[Katman]

Let me set the scene........



Well, that was a thread stopper.

For what it's worth, my commiserations for having to see that at that age.

[PrincessBandit]

Let me set the scene.

... I ride my bicycle to the end of the drive way, stop, look at the bus barrelling down the road in my direction, Decide to wait till is passed.

Another kid, my age, rides straight past me on my left onto the road.

BANG, bus hits him fair and square, he is sucked under the front, ...

The lesson learned, Don't fuck with buses.

Fair enough, I won't argue with that. In the end though you're the one still alive and he's not. Does that make it any easier for his mum and dad? I don't know that they would agree with your assessment that he deserved it. If he saw the bus and "played chicken" with it then I guess that is different from being simply inattentive (as is often the case) - end result is still the same though. Wouldn't want to have witnessed that myself - sorry to hear you had to. What a lesson.

[cave weta]

I didnt mean it to turn into this!- I just thought it was a funny video......

[Headbanger]

Could have been worse, could have been me.

Funny enough he lived to tell the tale.

well, I don't know if he ever spoke again:shit:

But yes, To say he deserved it would be a bit harsh, But fuck me, its some pretty basic shit to take care of, look and save yourself and those close to you a lifetime of pain.

feck, I'm starting to sound like.....

[Katman]

feck, I'm starting to sound like.....

Shhhhhhsh.........


:msn-wink:

[CookMySock]

And what type of "miles" are we talking about here then......:shifty: lolThe good sort, lol.


Understandable sentiment to a degree, but I see students every day leaving school crossing busy roads miles away (either on their phones talking or texting or programming their ipods etc) and it's not so easy to be so hardhearted....Its not about being hard-hearted. You can't hold their hand the whole time to make sure they are safe - this doesn't do them any favours. Our job isn't to make kids more dependent on us, it is to make them more INdependent.

To achieve this, they must believe they, and they alone are accountable for their actions - no one else can or will be there for them in times of crises. Without this understanding, people will shift accountability from themselves to others when things start to fall apart, leading to people blaming others instead of gritting their teeth, taking ownership, and making necessary positive change for their lives. ie "you didn't come through for me. I feel hurt. I blame you."

People who don't understand this concept will never understand it, and spend all their lives on a mission to "make other people see" so they can live their own lives with some safety. There is often a large level of conflict between groups of people who believe this, and those that do not.


Leaving enough leeway for the unexpected is one of the most important things (and I did say one of....things) we should be incorporating into our driving/riding but so easily overlooked from inside our bubble of invincibility. Sure there can always be something totally unavoidable, but the idea is to minimise those occurances.Yup. A margin should be left for unplanned occurances. The margin should be about double the size of what we think it should be.

Steve

[scumdog]

And so does virtually everybody else.

I know, there are so many 'above average' and 'good' drivers/riders in NZ that it is extraordinary that we have even one crash - let alone a fatal one!

[scumdog]

Let me set the scene.

I was 15, mass exodus of students from the school grounds, I ride my bicycle to the end of the drive way, stop, look at the bus barrelling down the road in my direction, Decide to wait till is passed.

Another kid, my age, rides straight past me on my left onto the road.

BANG, bus hits him fair and square, he is sucked under the front, his bike hooks up under the bus, he is tangled up in it and held there, dragged under the bus, 20m down the road he comes loose, get run over by the rear set of wheels and spat out the side of the bus into the gutter. I watched the entire event unfold almost directly in front of me.


The lesson learned, Don't fuck with buses.

Probably the same sort of kid that would grow up and then drive past you on the left at a stop sign and shoot staight through and clean up some innocent motorbike rider coming from his right through the intersection thinking he had the right of way.......

[Katman]

Probably the same sort of kid that would grow up and then drive past you on the left at a stop sign and shoot staight through and clean up some innocent motorbike rider coming from his right through the intersection thinking he had the right of way.......

Well that's some wild supposition there, scumdog.

[scumdog]

Well that's some wild supposition there, scumdog.
Why?
D'ya think the kinda guy that runs a stop sign without any thought did it suddenly after years of careful driving??

[Katman]

Why?
D'ya think the kinda guy that runs a stop sign without any thought did it suddenly after years of careful driving??

Well, for a start, that guy that runs the stop sign might just be on a motorcycle.

[scumdog]

Well, for a start, that guy that runs the stop sign might just be on a motorcycle.

Won't be riding for long, will he??:shifty:

[blue eyed savage]

everyone on sports bikes speed. if u don't ur liying. most people here could be called a boy racer at some stage so stop pretending ur better than everyone else

[scumdog]

everyone on sports bikes speed. if u don't ur liying. most people here could be called a boy racer at some stage so stop pretending ur better than everyone else

Nah...never!!

I was called a 'bodgy hoon" and a "fickin' yahoo' but NEVER a 'boi-racer'.

[Katman]

everyone on sports bikes speed. if u don't ur liying. most people here could be called a boy racer at some stage so stop pretending ur better than everyone else

One day you might learn there's a difference between exceeding the speed limit by a few kms and riding like a complete twat.

[scumdog]

One day you might learn there's a difference between exceeding the speed limit by a few kms and riding like a complete twat.

True.

Sadly a lot of riders do not.

And still think they are 'good riders'.

[blue eyed savage]

so above 100k is ok if ur a good rider?
and i suppose ur a good rider to

[blue eyed savage]

everyone thinks that thay are good or even the best in a group. then thay crash
some sooner that other's. me im crap but i give it a good go and havent come of so far. my day will come i just hope its on a race track

like i said stop pretending ur better than everyone else

[PrincessBandit]

... but i give it a good go and havent come of so far. my day will come i just hope its on a race track



With you on that one bud. At least on a race track everyone knows the score; let's just hope it's not some innocent party in the wrong place at the wrong time you wipe out on the road (if it happens.....)