When and where do you overtake [Archive]

TonyB

31st January 2005, 12:55

During a good yak with one of this sites self-confessed hoons, the subject of overtaking and when and where we do it came up. I did a ride a while back with some guys that basically overtook anywhere, any time. Quite frankly it gave me the shits and I kept to my usual technique of passing only when I can see and the road is clear of oncoming traffic. But it made me wonder why they did it. Could they see enough around blind corners to make it safe? Did they just figure the chances of a car coming the other way at that exact moment were low? I have no idea- so I thought a poll was in order, to see what people do. If you feel the urge to explain your motives, post away, but all I really want to see is what people do.
You can choose as many options as you need, so if you pass anywhere, anytime, you'll need to click them all I guess.
No one can see what you voted for
'Oncoming traffic' means a car going the other way will go past while you are overtaking

Mongoose

31st January 2005, 12:59

People that overtake on hill crests, blind corners, yellow lines do it because they be tossers with a death wish. No doubt they will have another explanation, but that is mine, like you i only over take when i can see the road and it does not involve guess work and a prayer befoe i start.

ALTRON

31st January 2005, 13:10

I have been pasted many times on blind corners in heavy traffic mainly by dudes on Harleys. I just think "WTF is that fool doing?!"

Pwalo

31st January 2005, 13:17

I only overtake when I have a clear view ahead. Doesn't necessarily exclude corners, but I tend to be very wary. Only lane split if the traffic is travelling real slow.

Life's short enough, and I really don't want any more time in hospital.

Deano

31st January 2005, 13:18

People that overtake on hill crests, blind corners, yellow lines do it because they be tossers with a death wish.

Fully agree with the first two, but yellow lines on a clear straight road with no oncoming vehicles ?????

Im no tosser and I don't have a death wish, but if it seems safe to me I'll do it. Prefer when the vehicle moves slightly to the left to avoid crossing the lines, but if not and its safe enough, too bad.

You may just have been generalising, but each case on its own merits.

BTW - years ago in my car I was coming up behind a truck just before a crest - he moved slightly to the left and indicated right - I waited a few seconds and he flicked the right indicator again - he was signalling me past
as he had a clear view of the road from his elevation. After the second signal I decided to overtake - all good.

Midnight 82

31st January 2005, 13:36

:rockon: All the time where its safe :ar15:

**R1**

31st January 2005, 13:37

depends if im doing wheelies or not, if its straight and there is oncoming trafic i tend to pass on 2 wheels, no oncoming trafic then one wheel it is otherwise what fun would it be for the person(s) being past (shrug).......we deed some shrugy smilies

Mongoose

31st January 2005, 13:39

avgas

31st January 2005, 14:20

i ONLY need to pass on the straights, cos if im infront of you going into the corner - im good as gone :lol: Well one way or the other
nah but seriously folks, there isnt much point in passing in a corner, you only gain a whole 2m before the other person can get back on the racing line (in your slipstream i might add).

Sniper

31st January 2005, 15:06

I just overtake when I deem it same for myself and the person(S) Im overtaking

Biff

31st January 2005, 15:42

Yep, I'm with the majority I think - when it's safe.

Open roads, no oncoming & with oncoming traffic (depending on traffic speeds & avoiding wherever possible crossing the centre line in order to avoid heart attacks and negative rep for bikers from oncoming cage drivers)

Corners - when I can see that the exit is clear and that there are no oncoming cages.

Never on blind corners, blind hillcrests - stupid, stupid, stupid.

Sniper

31st January 2005, 15:44

Never on blind corners, blind hillcrests - stupid, stupid, stupid.

Yep, and very dangerous and dumb :argh:

Coyote

31st January 2005, 15:47

I don't try anything daring. I'll overtake on a straight thats clear, on a passing lane, or if a car stops to let me pass. What have I got to prove by taking people on blind corners and crap anyway?

Nutter34

31st January 2005, 16:21

I'll go with Deano, the double yellow is not a good indication at all.
I'm in Nelson, so we have a passing lane stretch, therefor three lanes of road, with double yellows and a good view. Then after that, they have a set of blind corners with barriers both sides, some access drives but guess what? NOTHING to stop you from overtaking except common sense.
That's part of the reason why there are so many accidents. The road markings SUCK!

As for any other situation, only when I can see it's clear, be it on a straight or corners or if a car pulls over sufficiently for me to get past if there is oncoming traffic.

Hitcher

31st January 2005, 16:26

Bikers who undertake Blatantly Stupid Passing Manoeuvres® are the ones who give the rest of us a bad name with the rest of the motoring public (who incidentally outnumber us by some considerable margin).

Mind you, Harley riders with no gloves, short-sleeved shirts and pudding-basin helmets are, by definition, invincible.

Blakamin

31st January 2005, 16:35

Fully agree with the first two, but yellow lines on a clear straight road with no oncoming vehicles ?????

Im no tosser and I don't have a death wish, but if it seems safe to me I'll do it. Prefer when the vehicle moves slightly to the left to avoid crossing the lines, but if not and its safe enough, too bad.

You may just have been generalising, but each case on its own merits.

Totally agree here... exactly what I do... and around here where cages do 70 in a 100 zone, they're lucky I dont kick their mirrors off as I go passed (joking)
between Pi-cock and mckays crossing I'll pass people if there's enough room... I'm not gunna sit and do 70 coz I don't wear a hat and drive a friggin camry...

Coyote

31st January 2005, 16:45

I'm not gunna sit and do 70 coz I don't wear a hat and drive a friggin camry...
Aka. My Dad :no:

Sensei

31st January 2005, 17:15

If the Cage is not playing the Game then it get's the " Fly By " Nothing to loose thou have my Bike to think about.
" Safe & quickly"
SENSEI :blink:

loosebruce

31st January 2005, 17:23

If i can pass without crossing the centre line, pretty much anywhere, you know if the cage has seen you and is expecting you to go by, most cages i come across do move to the left and i'm sure to always give em a wave or the thumbs up to say thanks/good on ya. How many peeps on here do that?
Yellow lines, meh well in know my limit and how fast i can get by, if the fuzz is about yeah sure im reserved to following but if not well it's all fair game, i'm not out on a death wish thats for sure.

31st January 2005, 17:25

I have a death wish... :yes:

merv

31st January 2005, 17:31

Happily pass wherever I can see I have enough room. By law we are meant to have 100m left at the end of the maneouvre, now for those that don't know that is usually one marker post gap on straight roads and 2 marker post gaps on most curves. The general cage driver feels uncomfortable with 100m and will start flashing their lights at about 400m out. I think bugger them that's the law and its safe and I will pass in my car like that too. Basically the average joe seems to have no proper idea of distances and they panic easily. Best thing about the bike is you are not out there for very long so it isn't hard to have the 100m left after your pass. I reckon you can use judgement too in that if you pass a truck creeping up a hill at 15km/hr or something you don't need to leave much room at all as you can pass so quickly so you hardly need much more than the 100m in total.

I posted a thread on here ages ago about the creeping yellow and that really stems from my average joe comment and with so many getting it wrong out comes the paint and we are all penalised because a few feel uncomfortable. Examples are Manawatu Gorge, Glenside Road, Haywards hill - the number of actual head on crashes has been few, yet we have yellow lines the whole way, hence Deano's comment - he gets pissed off waiting for the 10km lines to end. Bugger this control freak life we live in these days.

Skunk

31st January 2005, 17:39

I have a death wish... :yes:Upon whom? :shake:

31st January 2005, 17:42

Upon whom? :shake:
Oh I'm not that bad, shheeesh!

Take the time to get to know me before you judge me :crybaby:

RiderInBlack

31st January 2005, 17:43

It's all relative to the conditions and whether the driver/rider is fu*king me off. As a rule, I don't pass on blind corners or corners with on coming traffic. In say that, if I come up fast on a vehicle that brakes suddenly, I will pass as the risk of hitting the on coming vehicle (I feel) is lower than smashing into the vehicle that brakes in front of me. I will undertake on the motorway, because it is multi-lane and the dick-heads here do not get the idea of pulling left when there is a quicker vehicle coming up on them (I think they think mirriors are for make-up, must be lots of Metosexauls in AK). Have been taught not to undertake other bikes when riding in a big group, and try to put left if I see a quicker bike coming up. If I do undertake a bike on a ride (sometimes I am unable to get on the right of them due to other bikes), I do so at a much slower pace (giving that rider as much time as I can to see what I am doing), and only if there is a clear space that is not being filled directly in front of me.

Blakamin

31st January 2005, 17:50

I posted a thread on here ages ago about the creeping yellow and that really stems from my average joe comment and with so many getting it wrong out comes the paint and we are all penalised because a few feel uncomfortable. Examples are Manawatu Gorge, Glenside Road, Haywards hill - the number of actual head on crashes has been few, yet we have yellow lines the whole way, hence Deano's comment - he gets pissed off waiting for the 10km lines to end. Bugger this control freak life we live in these days.
Like the fact Pie-Cock has yellow on about 3 corners... like WTF??? 2 of them are the easiest corners on the road!!! (well not quite)(told me a million times to stop exagerating)

31st January 2005, 17:53

(well not quite)(told me a million times to stop exagerating)
LMAO :laugh:

MSTRS

31st January 2005, 18:01

Any passing manouvre that doesn't kill you must be all good (PT)

Skyryder

31st January 2005, 18:14

If you think it's safe one day it won't be

I have one simple rule for all occasions. "If I don't know, I don't go. That's it, passing included.

Skyryder

RiderInBlack

31st January 2005, 18:44

"If I don't know, I don't go."
Skyrider, does that enclude going to the tolet?:whistle:
PS: good rule (but needs to be "If I don't know, I do go" for the tolet):rolleyes:

riffer

31st January 2005, 18:45

If you think it's safe one day it won't be

I have one simple rule for all occasions. "If I don't know, I don't go. That's it, passing included.

Skyryder

It's a good rule. One I follow too.

2_SL0

31st January 2005, 19:56

This would mean I had to catch them up so that I could actually overtake them, or is this a trick question. :o

onearmedbandit

31st January 2005, 22:02

I'll pass, like most here have said, when I consider it safe for both myself and other road users. I don't like cutting up car drivers into corners, could freak them out, or piss them right off (no need for more anger on the roads). Same with passing where I can't see whats ahead of me, dumb dumb dumb. I will however pass with oncoming traffic, on some of our roads at the right speed I believe it to be perfectly safe. [puts on flame-proof suit]

Off topic slightly, back maybe 8yrs ago I was reading a Two Wheels mag, John Rooth I think was telling a tale that involved a rider and his wife on pillion out on a ride with some friends over some mountains. The rider and wife came up a blind crest, and as the arrived at peak they were confonted with a tour bus in their lane coming down, overtaking another tour bus! Sorry but I cant remember if the driver was charged or not, but both husband and wife were killed. One of my biggest fears now on the public roads, especially as I, no doubt all of us, have approached corners only to find someone coming around it your lane. How much difference 2 seconds can make eh? But life is risky, so I don't let it affect my riding. I'm aware of it, its just out of my control.

SPman

31st January 2005, 22:21

If you think it's safe one day it won't be

I have one simple rule for all occasions. "If I don't know, I don't go. That's it, passing included.

Skyryder

Good rule - me too. If I cant see through the whole manouvre, I dont go, theres always an opportunity later. And since when did a modern bike have much trouble passing a cage!
Saying that, I disgraced myself in front of Kiwidan when the road looked and seemed to be clear, I thought it was safe! Gassed it and pulled out....fucking car hidden in a dip right in front of me! Its amazing how fast you can throw the bike back onto the right side of the road when you have to!
Had the tour bus thing with a Volvo (surprise, sur-fucking-prise) last year. VERY scary. At least there was a bit of room to avoid him and my reflexes are still faster than I thought they were!

Ranzer

1st February 2005, 00:30

I *HATE* overtaking! :crybaby:

I've been thinking about this since the last ride I was on (n00b ride on Sunday), so please excuse me if it comes out as a rant.

Firstly, like most of us I prefer only to overtake when it seems safe for all involved... the problem for me is the amount of road needed. A lot of the time I will see a stretch of road which looks safe enough but I'm too scared to pass because I can't get past the car fast enough - I'm guessing this is due to my bike being a lil 2 cyl 250cc, since no matter how hard I wind it up it never seems to be enough (but please if there's any way it's my riding tell me, cause I can't afford a new bike).

This is especially annoying if I find myself at the front of a group of bikes and know that they're all aching to pass the car but I'm just adding that extra distance (and I guess they expect me to pass first anyway). I know I should just ride my own ride but I still hate to get in the way of other peoples. (Note to self for future, pull left and let the other bikers get in front of me behind the car.)

And to make things worse whenever I find a nice long stretch of clear road (damn near always has to be straight to see far enough ahead), the bloody car decides it's time to accelerate! Gah! So there I am trying to pass a car that's now doing near enough to 100kph on my poor bike that tops out at 140kph (and takes its time to get there). Needless to say it's not fun inching past a car at your bike's upper limits with a corner approaching fast. :disapint:

Ok, so anticipating this horrid maneuver I could just stay behind the car... and wear my tyres even flatter, since the car slows right down again as soon as we get back into corners...

In all fairness though some cars do make an effort to pull left when there is some passing distance, and I should really get the hang of riding one handed so I can wave or thumbs up or something when they do.

Anyway I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this, partly just getting it out of my system. But any advice or suggestions or anything else that might be helpfull would be greatly appreciated... maybe some kind of Jedi mind trick to get cars to let you pass? :P Or some trick to getting a little more acceleration out of my bike? :D Who knows hehe...

What?

1st February 2005, 05:22

Mind you, Harley riders with no gloves, short-sleeved shirts and pudding-basin helmets are, by definition, invincible.
It's the straight pipes that do it. You know, "loud pipes save lives", so if you fit straight pipes (and ape hangers help) you can quite safely pass around blind corners cresting hills. Strengthens the overall gene pool as well.

TonyB

1st February 2005, 07:37

I *HATE* overtaking! :crybaby:
And to make things worse whenever I find a nice long stretch of clear road (damn near always has to be straight to see far enough ahead), the bloody car decides it's time to accelerate! Gah! So there I am trying to pass a car that's now doing near enough to 100kph on my poor bike that tops out at 140kph (and takes its time to get there). Needless to say it's not fun inching past a car at your bike's upper limits with a corner approaching fast. :disapint:

Ok, so anticipating this horrid maneuver I could just stay behind the car... and wear my tyres even flatter, since the car slows right down again as soon as we get back into corners....
Use momentum to slingshot you past. For years I have been stuck with underpowered cars, and they struck the same problem as your bike- the car in front would be incredibly slow thru the corners and then blast off in the straights. IF you know the road, the secret is to hang back a bit. When your approaching the last corner before a straight where you know you can get past, speed up, take the corner significantly faster than the car and time it so you are just about right on it's arse just at the point where you can see the road is clear. Then you can use your speed advantage to slingshot you past before they have a chance to accelerate. It works bloody well- if I could get past powerful cars in a 1981 Datsun Sunny 1400, then you should find it a breeze on your bike! You can also apply the same technique to passing lanes. Just remember, you need to time it in such a way that you have room to slow again if there's something coming the other way.

Fryin Finn

1st February 2005, 08:19

I find sometimes when I come up behind slower traffic on the straight bits I will make extra effort to pass them before the twisties - exceeding the speed limit by an enjoyable amount in order to maximise entry speed to the first corner. After that I go mad employing my full reportoire of overtaking skills because this is all about me... me...ME...ME...ME...... :Oi:

scumdog

1st February 2005, 08:40

I'll go with Deano, the double yellow is not a good indication at all.
I'm in Nelson, so we have a passing lane stretch, therefor three lanes of road, with double yellows and a good view. Then after that, they have a set of blind corners with barriers both sides, some access drives but guess what? NOTHING to stop you from overtaking except common sense.
That's part of the reason why there are so many accidents. The road markings SUCK!

It's not the road markings that suck, it's the effwit drivers that have the line of thought "duh, no yellow lines, must be o.k. to overtake even if I can only see 80 metres down the road, hyuk, hyuk!"
I guess those that crash are sadly bereft of the forementioned 'common sense' huh? :thud:

Skunk

1st February 2005, 08:48

because this is all about me... me...ME...ME...ME...... :Oi:Wrong. It's all about NC30_chick :lol:

sels1

1st February 2005, 08:57

Motu

1st February 2005, 09:33

I voted straight road clear view early in the piece,I have low tolerance for people who pass on the outside of blind corners and over hills,I pass only when it's safe.But looking at my riding I see I bend my own rules a lot,depending on conditions,maximising my advantages.I will pass in a corner if I can see through to the road ahead,on a right hander passing on the inside,the outside on a left,taking the car where it's slowest.In twisties I will straight line across a right hander to the next left.It's all done when it's,um...usually safe,being a total thickshit I have to be aware of my disabilty and not let it put me into difficult situations.

moko

1st February 2005, 10:01

BTW - years ago in my car I was coming up behind a truck just before a crest - he moved slightly to the left and indicated right - I waited a few seconds and he flicked the right indicator again - he was signalling me past
as he had a clear view of the road from his elevation. After the second signal I decided to overtake - all good.

Big difference here is that despite driving on the same side of the road drivers will indicate left to let you know the road is clear.That one caused me a bit of confusion in N.Z. where loads of truckers did it,no doubt they wondered why the idiot on the bike was still sitting back as well.Despite this I never overtake anything unless I`m happy it`s safe to do so,it`s not un-known for some smart-arse trucker to indicate someone past when it`s not safe and he`s just some wanker with a weird sense of humour.At the end of the day my safety is my resposibility and if anyone gives way to me anywhere,or waves me by,if I cant see for myself that it`s safe then I sit tight,in the past I`ve had guys flash me to let me across their path to turn off and I`ve seen some impatient bastard(on a bike actually)come flying down the inside,if I`d blindly followed the cars directions we`d possibly have collided.
Basically I`ll overtake anywhere it`s safe to do so but it`s my decision where and when that is,no-one else`s.Taking stupid chances on a bike isnt clever,it`s bad riding and totally moronic.

TonyB

1st February 2005, 11:59

I'm not trying to bag anyone here, but to the guy's that pass on a straight road when an oncoming car car is going to pass while you are passing: think about what you are doing- you are putting your life in the hands of TWO cage drivers at the same time. What if one of them drops their latte while doing their hair and talking on the cell phone? You might end up with nowhere to go.

Case in point- in this case I was the idiot cage driver. I was going home from work and driving in my former work bomb on Tunnel Road towards Lyttleton. A car was coming towards me and bike was behind the car, way off in the distance. Something or other happened to the high quality factory radio, so I quickly looked left to twiddle a knob (on the radio!). My work bomb didn't drive particularly straight in the gusty Noreaster that was blowing, and it drifted right a foot or two at the most. I was getting close to the centre line when something caught my attention in my perhipheral vision. I looked up and steered left at the same time, and a Rizzla gixxer 1000 blasted through the now fairly narrow gap while passing the other car. Maybe the owner is a member on this site- mate if you are you don't know how close it came. Perhaps you do and you uttered a few explatives under your helmet about the dickhead in the light browm Mazda 323. Fair enough too, as I shouldn't have taken my eyes off the road, but then if you had waited 5 seconds for me to go past, you would never have had to worry about it. See my point?

Deano

1st February 2005, 12:45

Some good truckies do this but be aware that now truckies "wave" to each other by flicking their right indicators - confusing those behind!
Sometimes they flick the left indicator for you to pass.

So if you are following a truck and he flicks the right winky he is probably flashing another truck coming the other way. Or he could be turning right. Or he could be inviting you to pass him.
I'd go for the "dont know, dont go" option myself - assumption is the mother of all f*ckups!

Ive seen them indicate to each other, but I did wait a while and he indicated again and I could see him looking at me in his side mirror.

However, I admit I didn't know for sure and assumed it was to indicate nothing was coming.

Ok I confess - I was 18 years old in a slightly hot RX4. Say no more. :shutup:

SPman

1st February 2005, 13:13

It's not the road markings that suck, it's the effwit drivers that have the line of thought "duh, no yellow lines, must be o.k. to overtake even if I can only see 80 metres down the road, hyuk, hyuk!"
I guess those that crash are sadly bereft of the forementioned 'common sense' huh? :thud:

Unfortunately, all to true. Overtake in top gear, even, for that extra slow response.
Unfortunately, the passive eugenics then works on those they hit, as well the dumd fks, themselves!

Ranzer

1st February 2005, 15:51

Use momentum to slingshot you past.

Hmm yeah this method rings a bell or two... but like you say you really need to know the road you're on to use it. :disapint: Would be nice to be able to pass on less familiar roads too so those new rides don't wind up too boring. :P

Biff

1st February 2005, 16:06

Hmm yeah this method rings a bell or two... but like you say you really need to know the road you're on to use it. :disapint: Would be nice to be able to pass on less familiar roads too so those new rides don't wind up too boring. :P

Softly, softly catchie monkey my friend. Take your time. Stay alive and well. Live and learn. Then buy a huge powerful motorbike and scare the shiiite out of cage drivers - safely.

Rainbow Wizard

1st February 2005, 19:26

'Oncoming traffic' means a car going the other way will go past while you are overtaking[/B]

Should have read this before I voted, maybe you could be more explicit in your title or options in the future. "Oncoming traffic" means exactly that, it would be more exacting in your case to state the option as "oncoming passing" or "oncoming and adjacent at some time during the manouevre". I ain't bitchin at you though, a good post/poll in essence. I'm like you, I will not knowingly compromise my safety.

Rainbow Wizard

1st February 2005, 19:29

then you wake up, move out of the wet patch and go back to sleep, right? :shit: :yeah:

HAHAHAHAHA :lol:

TonyB

1st February 2005, 19:38

Should have read this before I voted, maybe you could be more explicit in your title or options in the future. "Oncoming traffic" means exactly that, it would be more exacting in your case to state the option as "oncoming passing" or "oncoming and adjacent at some time during the manouevre". I ain't bitchin at you though, a good post/poll in essence. I'm like you, I will not knowingly compromise my safety.
My humble appologies. Not sure if I can alter the poll. I would think not. There's not alot of room in the question line to type, plus I couldn't remember how to add the poll- the only way I know how to do it is to add a new thread and then use the 'thread tools' to add a poll (though no doubt they are there when you go to add the new thread in the first place). By the time I remembered how to do it, at least one person had already replied...so I was kinda in a hurry.

Broke my own rules tonight- gave an oncoming cager a fright by overtaking in a confined space. Got in with 100m or so to spare, but with a closing speed of maybe 65 metres per second 100m gets chewed up pretty quick.

Rainbow Wizard

1st February 2005, 19:49

Broke my own rules tonight- gave an oncoming cager a fright by overtaking in a confined space. Got in with 100m or so to spare, but with a closing speed of maybe 65 metres per second 100m gets chewed up pretty quick.

Good thing your rule was the only thing broke eh. That sounds too scary for me but I've done some dumb things this last week or two, and fortunately survived them AND stayed on the bike. I often wonder how sub my conscious is!

Did you get the adrenalin taste?

RiderInBlack

1st February 2005, 19:56

OK, need to rant here. Please if you are on a group ride and you wish the following bike to pass ether:

Wave them on and pull as far as it is safe to the left.
Or indicate to the Left and pull as far as it is safe to the left.
Do not indicate to the right and slow down while still staying in the middle/right yor lane. I will (for my own safety) assume that you are goimg to pull farther over to your right if you are indicating to your right, making you unsafe to pass on that side. This happen to me on the MR's Sunday ride. Can not remember which one of you it was, but please do not do this. You will just confuse an annoy the following riders.

I do, by the way, appeciate drivers/truckies/riders indicating the way ahead is clear. But if I can not see that myself, I don't like to take the risk.

inlinefour

1st February 2005, 20:01

You are along time dead :devil2:

crazylittleshit

1st February 2005, 20:13

You are along time dead :devil2:

so why take your time know? :unsure:

madboy

1st February 2005, 22:07

I pass anytime anywhere that I feel I can do it safely... if I've split cars down the rush hour mway bouncing off the governor making sure that scumdog's workmate doesn't catch up I can hardly criticise someone for passing on a blind corner (which hypocritically I don't engage in).

Ranzer - I can understand where you're coming from. My partner had a GSX250. First time I rode it, I split the queue up to the front of the lights, pinned it at the green... and just about got run over! Shudder to think how slow it would be to pass cars at open road speeds. The lack of horsepower won't help the confidence. Great town bike, but not an open road weapon.

TonyB

2nd February 2005, 07:06

Did you get the adrenalin taste?
Nahh, I new I was going to get in with plenty to spare- things happen quickly when wide open in second, even if the bike is 16 years old- but I suspect the driver coming the other way was getting pretty worried. Ooops.
Just noticed the title for your post. The closing speed included 100kph for the on coming car, so I wasn't doing 230+- that would be wrong...

mikey

2nd February 2005, 11:57

Biff

2nd February 2005, 12:34

as some few of gys saw going down takas (rapa side) two guys on sv650s? on sunday i overtake everywhere,

blind corners but on the white line not other lane (or not much), an as on sunday there was another stream of cars coming the other way but its pretty safe unless i meet someone like myself who is overtaking on blind corners coming up the way, but then can still move a little an run cars off road a little

unlessi ts real wet, cause it gets tad slippery on paint with tires the same size as my mountain bike.

I hope you're joking mate. Otherwise you're headed for an early grave or permanent disability. Don't be daft dude, take your time.

I've a mate who had the same attitude as you, that was until he hit an oncoming van who had cut the corner slightly on a blind bend, a bend that my mate was overtaking a car on. He broke the top of his spine and is now paralysed from the neck down. He can't even get a hard on any more, let alone wipe his own arse or control his bowel movements etc.

Yokai

2nd February 2005, 12:42

I can't vote on this as there is no "whenever there's a tractor coming towards me around a bend" option.

:thud:

somehow my overtaking is worse on the bike than in the cage

**R1**

2nd February 2005, 13:06

I hope you're joking mate. Otherwise you're headed for an early grave or permanent disability. Don't be daft dude, take your time.

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He already has a Honda :lol: :lol:

When ya moving dwn here mikey?

Biff

2nd February 2005, 13:29

somehow my overtaking is worse on the bike than in the cage

Use the force Mr Yokai, oh, and getting a bike with a few more horses may help.

Ranzer

2nd February 2005, 15:57

Do not indicate to the right and slow down while still staying in the middle/right yor lane. I will (for my own safety) assume that you are goimg to pull farther over to your right if you are indicating to your right, making you unsafe to pass on that side. This happen to me on the MR's Sunday ride. Can not remember which one of you it was, but please do not do this. You will just confuse an annoy the following riders.

This *might* have been me. :disapint:
At one point I was stuck behind a car with a few bikes behind me, and I flicked my indicator on to overtake, but chickened out as I was pulling out... just wasn't enough road before the next blind corner. Not sure if this is what you were talking about, but if it was then sorry! I don't indicate right to signal people to pass, and if I'm letting someone pass I do keep left... so if it was me it wasn't intentional.

RiderInBlack

2nd February 2005, 16:08

This *might* have been me. :disapint:No. At the time it was on the straight with no on coming traffic and no bike/vehicle right in front of the right indicating bike. The rider slowed and was indicating right and I could not see what the fu*k it was for apart from that the rider wished me to pass. All I was thinking was what the fu*k was that about and, after waiting a bit for the rider's next move, I passed him.

mikey

2nd February 2005, 16:34

He already has a Honda :lol: :lol:

When ya moving dwn here mikey?

like i dont get involved in the ""ohhh my bikes are honda ASN IT PISSES ON YOURS"" ""MY BIKES A KWAKAFUCKANSAKA AN IT SHITS ON YOURS"" ""my bikes a chopper an it fucks your up the asss!!!!"" my bike my bike....

so immature aaron... honestly

how about a few more red ones... people keep greeening me dammit an im back to - 37 aaarrrggghhh

Mongoose

2nd February 2005, 16:38