New Ninja popping into N while riding

[cameltoe]

In the last week or so the ninja has popped out of gear must be about 9 times at a guess, usually when its been riden at a brisk pace with high RPM, it has happened in most gears from 2nd to 5th but not 1st, It did it 3times while riding yesterday. I have read on some forum that other ninjas have have this problem tho its not very common. Could I be wrecking the trans?? my first bike but Iv growen upriding all sorts of bikes so I would think I know how to shift, one thing I can think of is on a couple of occasions where it be neccessary I have done full throttle gear changes, its at very high RPM and it doesnt fell to rough, but thats the only thing I can think of that would cause this even though iv only done it a few times, anyone know whats causing this?? by the way I have spent $80 on fuel the last 2 days. can anyone beat that?

[fatzx10r]

$80 on a 250 is'nt a bad effort, just take your bike back to the shop and get them to have a look. it will be covered by the warranty

[nallac]

i'd delinately take it back to the shop and talk it over with them.

[mtroskill]

mine will get stuck in neutral quite often when shifting from 1st to 2nd... putting it down to noobness untill i get a few more ks under the belt. (just under 500 so far)

Used to have trouble getting it into 1st aswell but seems to be that as long as i change before I have stopped it's sweet.

Also notice that te idle RPM seems to rise a few hundred RPM after being ridden for awhile.. not sure if that's normal.

[discotex]

I'm willing to be it's not a faulty gearbox. More likely you're letting the clutch out before your foot has pushed the gear lever all the way or something similar.

Used to happen on my ZXR250 from time to time (only when pushing it) until I learned a handy trick.

Try keeping the upward pressure on the gear lever until you have completely let go of the clutch.

E.g. normally people do this:

1. Pull clutch
2. Click up
3. Let gear lever return
4. Clutch out

You want to do:

1. Pull clutch
2. Click up
3. Clutch out
4. Let gear lever return

[1vanvan1]

Or ignore the clutch :P

[CookMySock]

It shouldnt be that difficult. Take it back and let them test ride it and tell you if its normal gearbox behaviour.

Steve

[vtec]

Could be your gear changing style as some have mentioned.

Here's some advice Jay Lawrence gave me for shifting. Although it applied to clutchless shifting, he never misses a gear this guy.

He said to me apply upward pressure to the gear lever before you back off the throttle for the gear shift, and it should fall into the next gear. To apply this to shifting while using your clutch. Try putting pressure on the gear lever the moment before you pull in the clutch. You will also find this majorly increases the speed with which you will be able to do your gear changes.

When racing the 600s doing clutchless upshifts. The gear changes were done in the time it took you to back off the throttle and get back on pretty much as quick as you can. It does work on the 250's too. But I'm gentler to them. I found that my forearm would start to get arm pump if I used clutches for all my upshifts aswell as my down when racing, so that was another reason for using clutchless upshifts. Also Jay pointed out to me that using the clutch while changing up in the high speed corners unsettles the bike, so a swifter clutchless upshift was not only quicker but safer too. As long as you don't fuck it up hahaha.

When I first started on my first CBR250RR, I used to get it jumping out of gears sometimes. Give it a bit more time for you to adjust your shifting style and if it's still playing up I hope it's under warrantee. I've never opened a gearbox up and I hope to never need to.

[Ripperjon]

Haven't had that trouble with mine so i'd probably take it to the dealer to check out.

Is it possible you might have your foot perched a bit far back on the peg? I've only ridden this bike so i have nothing to compare it to, but i'd imagine that sportier bikes are easier to shift while keeping ball of your foot on the pegs.
As far as i can remember, on my bike i think i have to move my foot forward so that my heel is on the peg to shift properly.
The selector feels quite clunky on mine so you need to give it a good positive shove with your toe, otherwise you will be finding false neutral.

[Reido]

I'm willing to be it's not a faulty gearbox. More likely you're letting the clutch out before your foot has pushed the gear lever all the way or something similar.



Im pretty sure you're right about this one, i've had this problem on my ninja too, flicked up a gear and blah neutral inbetween 2 and 3, 3 and 4, etc

its a tad unsettling at times.

but i've found by not rushing the gear change and making sure i actual push the leaver right up and not just half arse it, the problem disappeared

Reido

[vifferman]

What you've described is also sometimes a symptom of a chain that's too tight.

[CookMySock]

What you've described is also sometimes a symptom of a chain that's too tight.Make sure the chain tension is checked while you have your full weight on the bike.

Try adjusting your gear selector lever downwards slightly. This will make your changes more positive. You should be able to just flick your ankle or boot tip and it will change.

Still, I think there is a fault though. It shouldn't be that bad.

Steve

[iangee]

As far as i can remember, on my bike i think i have to move my foot forward so that my heel is on the peg to shift properly.
The selector feels quite clunky on mine so you need to give it a good positive shove with your toe, otherwise you will be finding false neutral.

I agree with Ripperjon on this, I went through a stage of changing where it didn't actually change and found I have to have my foot quite forward to make it happen every time. (Although it doesn't pop to Neutral)

[Mank0r]

This has been happening to me as well. My bike's on ~1700km now, it's happend a couple dozen times at least.
Seems to happen most often in the first 10 minutes of riding, when i'm starting to push it a bit.
I'm going to have a go with the "clutch release then gear release" method mentioned, and see if it makes a difference.
It's a bit of a prick when you push through to the front of the queue at lights, and then your 1st -> 2nd change goes bad as you attempt to race away.. :no:

[Maki]

It`s never happened to mine. Try clutchless upshifting, put a little pressure up on the shift lever and back of the throttle gently. The bike will then pop into the next gear and you can give it more throttle.

[FJRider]

I have spent $80 on fuel the last 2 days. can anyone beat that?

On regular weekend rides... I can use $300-$500 worth of fuel... wish it was only $80 worth

[RocKai]

E.g. normally people do this:

1. Pull clutch
2. Click up
3. Let gear lever return
4. Clutch out

You want to do:

1. Pull clutch
2. Click up
3. Clutch out
4. Let gear lever return

Does this work with car too ?:rolleyes:

[cameltoe]

thanks for the advice people, well its still doing it, on two occasions I have been changing gear and its gonna saound weird but when I put my foot down to change up when it reaches about N the bloody footlever starts moving up and down really fast, it wasnt heaps of movement its hard to guess coz it only happened for about half a second, but maybe 5-8mm up and down. thats happened twice both shifting from first to second, Ive booked the 5000k for tomorrow so il get the guys to check it out.

[xwhatsit]

With that moving gear lever up and down fast like that, is it also making a clicking noise at the same time? Kind of sounds like the clutch is dragging or you're not using the clutch properly.

[cameltoe]

sorry couldnt say if its making a noise, I DO know how to use a clutch, so thats not the problem

[brendonjw]

Iv never had that problem on my ninja, it has 1300ks on it now.

[TimeOut]

Mine used to find a false neutral between 5th&6th, holding pressure on the gear leaver till after clutch release worked a treat.

Although since I've changed to Castrol GPS the problem seems to have disappeared

[Ripperjon]

thanks for the advice people, well its still doing it, on two occasions I have been changing gear and its gonna saound weird but when I put my foot down to change up when it reaches about N the bloody footlever starts moving up and down really fast, it wasnt heaps of movement its hard to guess coz it only happened for about half a second, but maybe 5-8mm up and down. thats happened twice both shifting from first to second, Ive booked the 5000k for tomorrow so il get the guys to check it out.

Any joy at the garage?
Second service is normally 6k BTW but i guess you've got a good reason to take it in early.

[cameltoe]

i took it in today and told them what happened, I didnt really say much, they didnt really say much, but I can tell they have done something to the clutch, other than that not any different just a normal service

[discotex]

Kind of sounds like the clutch is dragging


I can tell they have done something to the clutch

I'd guess they've just adjusted the cable. It will stretch quite a lot in the first few thousand km so won't be fully disengaged when you pull in the lever - thus dragging even when pulled in the whole way.

[cameltoe]

actually mine disengages with only a slite pull on the clutch, handy when making fast gears changes. btw. Im walking the next week or two keeping on the lowdown, I have heard from a source police are looking for a red ninja around town since friday afternoon/:doh::clap:

[SilentNinja]

yer, this has happened to me a few times, and its not a great look, ive been on bikes since i was 8, talked to my dad and he metioned "false neutral", i guess its just a matter of learning the bikes ways. on another note, is there a 250 ninja group or club ???

[discotex]

is there a 250 ninja group or club ???

Yeah you ninja and Hyosung riders should like ride in packs and have "turf wars" or something :jerry: :devil2:

[scumdog]

by the way I have spent $80 on fuel the last 2 days. can anyone beat that?

That would get me 900km+ on my bike, how far did you get??:crazy:

[Slyer]

yer, this has happened to me a few times, and its not a great look, ive been on bikes since i was 8, talked to my dad and he metioned "false neutral", i guess its just a matter of learning the bikes ways. on another note, is there a 250 ninja group or club ???

I've had that a few times on my '88 model. Between 6th and 5th I think.
There isn't really enough to start a club for it, but this website is dedicated to the ninja 250, loads of good info on there, check the wiki and the forum.
http://www.ninja250.org/