Red light runner crash

[Jdogg]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4734958a11.html

[skidMark]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4734958a11.html


So a $150 red light running ticket just cost NZP a $50,000 + COMMODORE.

[ital916]

here comes the blame game lol.

[Roj]

Ouch that has to hurt

[RantyDave]

So a $150 red light running ticket just cost NZP a $50,000 + COMMODORE.
Yeah, plus the car fuckin' Dixon of Dock Green managed to hit, plus whatever injuries it's driver sustained, plus the window of the office building, plus the (implied) cost of closing the junction all afternoon, the work missed by the office workers standing around going "WTF?". We might even be forced to factor in the time and expenses of the police and ambos we can see standing around chatting in the picture.

A shitload, in other words. All because "Oh look, a biker skipping through on yellow. You're nicked, you little fu...BANG!".

Dave

[skidMark]

Yeah, plus the car fuckin' Dixon of Dock Green managed to hit, plus whatever injuries it's driver sustained, plus the window of the office building, plus the (implied) cost of closing the junction all afternoon, the work missed by the office workers standing around going "WTF?". We might even be forced to factor in the time and expenses of the police and ambos we can see standing around chatting in the picture.

A shitload, in other words. All because "Oh look, a biker skipping through on yellow. You're nicked, you little fu...BANG!".

Dave

As an elaboration of what i said, yes, well put my good sir.

[Headbanger]

Fuck the money, they bleed billions of us and waste it on shit anyway, what about the driver of the car?

That cop needs to be prosecuted and fired, Its not in their job description to hurt the people of NZ, if they can't get through their day without shit like this then they don't deserve the pay packet.

[magicfairy]

If it had been a motorcyclist hit it may have been fatal.

[<Rhino>]

Hope no one was badly hurt....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4734958a11.html

[AlBundy]

I don't condone running but chasing a bike in a city is stupid!

Feel sorry for the innocent lass...

[Mom]

Oh dear, here we go again.

I detest police chases! Too often innocent people are injured, or killed. What a dick the rider of the bike was running red light, what a dick the cop was flicking his siren on and running the same red light. Idiots the pair of them. Do you think we should burn them?

I hope that woman is ok!

[Blackshear]

I just got home, and feel depressed that someone beat me to this.

I laughed so hard at the irony when I heard it.

HOOLIGAN POLICEMAN STRIKES INNOCENT BYSTANDER!!!

I know we all jump on the poor Policemen, because 'they have an image to uphold', but he was to a degree, doing a job. I do respect the police when they aren't bothering me, and hope they don't make a giant fuss over it all. It could have been an honest mistake on the policemans side, but it wont heal the person he hit.

Totally forgotten my point. ERRRR.
OH YEAH.
NOW THEY BETTER NOT TURN IT TOWARDS THE RED LIGHT RUNNER!
I'll rage so damn hard. It's the bikers fault :mad:
Coulda been any other cop, in any other scenario.
SPEEDING KILLS, DOES IT MATTER IF YOU'RE THERE A MINUTE LATER BY TRAVELLING AT 100?!?!

Lulz.
Anyway. Next Drambuie, please Mr. Fridge.

P.s. They better speed to my rescue when I need them one day.

[Dargor]

The cop should'nt have hit the woman but rider takes some blame acording to me, its a cops job to catch criminals. But we dont know the full story, how red was this red etc.

On a side note, our traffic lights are shit.

[Dave Lobster]

I'm guessing he didn't even catch the red light runner.

FFS.. the govt coffers are another $150 down this evening..

[riffer]

Meh. Storm in a tea cup.
:whistle:

[roy.nz]

Sorry but both cop and biker are fucken stupid.Firstly the guy on the bike you idiot dont run red lights you will most probally die when a car KO's from the side, stupid. And the cop where did you learn to drive? yes you have a loud annoying siren but you need to look both ways before jumping that red traffic light, people need time to react and see that you have just turned the siren on, come on where's your head at copper, now can the copper and the bike both be charged for stupidity? for the biker i hope they didn't get your rego. Sorry for the innocent lady in the crossfire.
Peace out......... :calm:

[cs363]

Sorry but both cop and biker are fucken stupid.Firstly the guy on the bike you idiot dont run red lights you will most probally die when a car KO's from the side, stupid. And the cop where did you learn to drive? yes you have a loud annoying siren but you need to look both ways before jumping that red traffic light, people need time to react and see that you have just turned the siren on, come on where's your head at copper, now can the copper and the bike both be charged for stupidity? for the biker i hope they didn't get your rego. Sorry for the innocent lady in the crossfire.
Peace out......... :calm:


Hard to argue with that! :yes:

[Pixie]

Sorry but both cop and biker are fucken stupid.Firstly the guy on the bike you idiot dont run red lights you will most probally die when a car KO's from the side, stupid. And the cop where did you learn to drive? yes you have a loud annoying siren but you need to look both ways before jumping that red traffic light, people need time to react and see that you have just turned the siren on, come on where's your head at copper, now can the copper and the bike both be charged for stupidity? for the biker i hope they didn't get your rego. Sorry for the innocent lady in the crossfire.
Peace out......... :calm:

Sirens and flashing lights are like indicators - they magically clear the way for where you want to go.

[jtzzr]

Sirens and flashing lights are like indicators - they magically clear the way for where you want to go.

I know , makes it alot easier to run a red light when you`re behind the cop p/t , I hope the lady is ok .

[<Rhino>]

If an ambo goes through a red with lights and noise go'n (speed limit 20km/h) and has a crash they can still be held liable, its not legal to do so but we have a defence in the law! wonder if cops are the same. :Pokey:

[Filter_nz]

Mufti cars are hard to make out the red-and-blues at the best of times. Unless you're infront or behind them how can you tell?

That is a hell of a lot of damage and from the way the story reads there must have been a bit of speed.

Generally speaking I respect the cops... but mostly the general duties cops. The traffic units seem to be a law unto themselves. I've seem some apalling driving by the coppers and some insane pursuit speeds im sure they not meant to be doing... my guess is they radio in saying "we've abandon pursuit" just incase the car they're after wipes out.

Naughty biker but to be fair everyone in Wellington pushes the orange to the point it's gone red while they're mid-intersection. It's so bad I wait a second or two after the light goes green when on the bike just incase.

[quickbuck]

Naughty biker but to be fair everyone in Wellington pushes the orange to the point it's gone red while they're mid-intersection. It's so bad I wait a second or two after the light goes green when on the bike just incase.

Always a good policy to look right and left before proceeding from stationary too...

[thehollowmen]

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Sirens and flashing lights are like indicators - they magically clear the way for where you want to go.

[Cajun]

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/28346/woman-injured-police-car-crash



A woman is in hospital after an unmarked police car collided with her vehicle during a high-speed pursuit.

Inspector Gary Knowles said the police car was following a moped at speed west along Armagh Street in Christchurch, when he turned his siren on and entered the Durham Street North intersection.

"He has then struck a member of the public driving an SUV (sports utility vehicle)," Mr Knowles said.

"The SUV has rolled and ended up crashing through a business premises window. The 40-year-old female driver has been taken to Christchurch Hospital. Her injuries are not life threatening and she is currently being interviewed by a member of the police."

The officer driving the unmarked car had returned to the station where he was being interviewed.

At this stage police were speaking with a number of witnesses at the scene to establish exactly what has taken place, Mr Knowles said.

A specialist crash team were currently coordinating the scene investigation, and a non-commissioned officer had been assigned to coordinate an Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) investigation.

Must be one fast moped, being a high speed pursit

[de_wood_elf]

Yeah those bloody 4x4s tend to like to roll over. Bugger some innocent person got hit though.

[Shadows]

According to eye witness reports they turned their sirens on an instant before flying through the intersection. The driver of the SUV had no chance to respond.

Worth potentially killing someone for a $150 fine, was it, arsehole?

[Forest]

The police car must have been going pretty quick to have the impact cause a four wheel drive to roll over.

[quickbuck]

The police car must have been going pretty quick to have the impact cause a four wheel drive to roll over.

Yep, because 4x4's are so safe and stable right?

[scumdog]

Easy fixed

Don't speed
Don't steal cars
Don't run red lights
Yadda
Yadda
Yadda
Ad neauseum,
Ad infinitum.......




Don't need traffic cops any more, simple eh?:rolleyes:

[Headbanger]

Easy fixed


Going by your logic in the other thread the driver of the cop car would have to be the "type" of dumb shit born to cause an accident at an intersection and is better of crashed then on the road where they can harm more people.

I'd assume you have already put pen to paper and advised your superiors of your position.

[RantyDave]

Don't speed
Don't steal cars
Don't run red lights
Don't run reds. You noticed that, eh? Perhaps even "engage brain before running red"?

Dave

[marioc]

"said the police car was following a moped at speed "

umm anyone else notice that ;)

[davebullet]

I wonder how experienced the policeman was to take chase like that?

I always thought in a chase the order of priority is:

Criminal thoughts:
1. Me first
2. Cop second
3. Bystanders third

Policeman's thoughts:
1. Bystanders first
2. Me second
3. Criminal third

Or - Criminals act then think, police should think then act. Doesn't give much time to the policeman.

[Oakie]

"said the police car was following a moped at speed "

umm anyone else notice that ;)

Yes, although what I heard in two separate reports was ... "The police car was chasing a speeding moped".

A speeding moped? Surely that has to be an oxymoron ... (and I don't mean it was being ridden by a stupid cow)

[sunhuntin]

souped up moped being ridden by a stick thin waif leaning forward with a tail wind going down hill? :eek:

[magicfairy]

"The officer was following a moped that was travelling at speed"


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4735204a11.html

Very important..catching those speeding mopeds, might have gotten up to all of 60kph.

Explains why the idiot ran the red light though, I see all sorts if idiotic moped behaviour riding to work each day.

[pritch]

I awoke to this small detail on this morning's news. It made me smile.

Hard to explain why, but the fact that it was a moped he was chasing prompts images of the Keystone Cops. It's hard to imagine why you would need to travel at speed to catch up with a moped.

[slimjim]

sorry but a moped...gee's was the cost really worth it...ticket hurter...nd yes all thought towards the lady forsure.... blue gang twat....cyclist fucking will get sidehit oneday SOON....

[Richi]

wonder how experienced the policeman was to take chase like that?

I always thought in a chase the order of priority is:

Criminal thoughts:
1. Me first
2. Cop second
3. Bystanders third

Policeman's thoughts:
1. Bystanders first
2. Me second
3. Criminal third

Or - Criminals act then think, police should think then act. Doesn't give much time to the policeman.


I thought police had to put the criminals before themselves... crims are humans too and have REAL feelings.. plus they get LCD tv's and xbox in the slammer

[MarkH]

The cop should'nt have hit the woman but rider takes some blame acording to me, its a cops job to catch criminals. But we dont know the full story, how red was this red etc.

We don't know if the light changed red as the bike went through - if so he was naughty and deserved a fine if caught. The biker can hardly take the blame for the actions of the police - the officer that crashed is responsible for his own actions.

On the other hand we DO know that the Police officer ran a red light causing an accident - he had a job to do and did that job incompetently. I would hope for a fair review of his actions and suitable punishment for the officer, just as I would be punished if I ran a red light & caused an accident. The police have a job to uphold the law, they are not above the law!

[Elysium]

Police are terrible at intersections. I onced witness a police car speed through an controlled interesction late at night with no siren or lights going and almost taking out a car that was going through a green light, cop actualy tooted at them and speed off.

[hayd3n]

We don't know if the light changed red as the bike went through - if so he was naughty and deserved a fine if caught. The biker can hardly take the blame for the actions of the police - the officer that crashed is responsible for his own actions.

On the other hand we DO know that the Police officer ran a red light causing an accident - he had a job to do and did that job incompetently. I would hope for a fair review of his actions and suitable punishment for the officer, just as I would be punished if I ran a red light & caused an accident. The police have a job to uphold the law, they are not above the law!

i thought chch had redlight cameras?

[Fatjim]

Yep, because 4x4's are so safe and stable right?

Well they are. they have to pass the moose test like anything else.


Hard to argue with that! :yes:

No its not.


So a $150 red light running ticket just cost NZP a $50,000 + COMMODORE.

Na, some cop who didn't follow proceedure has cost himself a traffic conviction and a delay in his next promotion. Oh, and there's a victim too, whos going to get pestered by those tree huggin lesbians from victim support.


I don't condone running but chasing a bike in a city is stupid!


No its not, not slowing down for a red is stupid.


Sorry but both cop and biker are fucken stupid.Firstly the guy on the bike you idiot dont run red lights you will most probally die when a car KO's from the side, stupid.

Actually, all we know is a moped ran a red light. Shit they do that all the time in Welly. Not worth a reckless high speed puruit, but is worthy of a ticket.



According to eye witness reports they turned their sirens on an instant before flying through the intersection. The driver of the SUV had no chance to respond.

I wonder what the chances of a serious accident are RUNNING a red light? They look fucking good, regardless of whehter you have red and blue flashy bits and a loud horn or not.


Going by your logic in the other thread the driver of the cop car would have to be the "type" of dumb shit born to cause an accident at an intersection and is better of crashed then on the road where they can harm more people.

I'd assume you have already put pen to paper and advised your superiors of your position.

Come on Scummy, you have to laugh at this one, go one, just once.


"The officer was following a moped that was travelling at speed"


If it was a moped, why on earth did the pursuit need to be with such urgency. Its not likely to speed of into the distance is it? Sounds like newspaper dribble to me.

[ferriswheel]

About the moped speeding Ive got one thatll do 70 on the flat and 80 downhill with a tail wind
And I had to run a red light the othernight because i was going to fast for the conditions
Got it side ways trying to slow down then decided Id be better off getting it straight again and getting to the other side of the intersection before the logging truck did
I slowed right down after that

[getafix]

About the moped speeding Ive got one thatll do 70 on the flat and 80 downhill with a tail wind
And I had to run a red light the othernight because i was going to fast for the conditions
Got it side ways trying to slow down then decided Id be better off getting it straight again and getting to the other side of the intersection before the logging truck did
I slowed right down after that
Well if its capable of 70-80 kms an hour its not legaly a moped :)

[Max Preload]

Well if its capable of 70-80 kms an hour its not legaly a moped :)

Bit of a loophole in that actually... "maximum design speed of 50 km/h or under". Which doesn't mean that it can't exceed that speed once it's been tickled up...

[ferriswheel]

accordingto the road code if it can exed 55 it needs a warrent and the rider needs a class 6 licence
Or you just need to be able to slow down fast when you see a piggy

[Max Preload]

accordingto the road code if it can exed 55 it needs a warrent and the rider needs a class 6 licence
Or you just need to be able to slow down fast when you see a piggy

The 'Road Code' is a mere interpretation of the regulations and cannot be used as a defence (and by logical extension, for prosecution) - I recall someone saying there is a disclaimer in there somewhere to that effect.



Traffic Regulations 1976 (SR 1976/227) (as at 01 October 2008) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1976/0227/latest/DLM50043.html)
Moped means a motor vehicle running on 2 or 3 wheels that is fitted with a motor having a power output not exceeding 2 kilowatts and is designed to be ridden at a speed not exceeding 50 kilometres per hour under normal conditions of use (my emphasis)

[Badjelly]

Bit of a loophole in that actually... "maximum design speed of 50 km/h or under". Which doesn't mean that it can't exceed that speed once it's been tickled up...

The proposed new traffic regulations will plug that loophole:


I mentioned this here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1736436&postcount=3
but it didn't attract any attention. Perhaps some of the people who frequent the Scooters forum might be interested.

Various changes have been proposed to the Land Tansport (Road User) Rule 2004, see here:

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation/road-user-amendment/index.html
In addition to compulsory headlight use, there's this one:

By law, mopeds are not supposed to be able to exceed 50 km/h. But it's not illegal to actually exceed 50 km/h, provided you don't exceed the general speed limit for the road in question. It is proposed to eliminate this anomaly.

Submissions close 16 October.