Let The Countdown Begin.

[dpex]

By this time next week I'll be in a motel near the Taupo track. On Friday the 31st it'll be comeupance time.

With my all-new, flash bungs, care of Jason Godsmark (clever man, BTW. Can do almost anything for a biker) I intend to go all out, and I intend to go far enough out till my velocipede spits the dummy.

I just have to know what happens when the event horizon arrives and I splat, skid on my leathers, the whole nine yards.

I know Jack-shit about breaking points, entry and exit lines, lay-down angles, you name it. But by the time I finish at Taupo I will know a whole lot more.

I watched a bunch of guys, including Craig Sherrifs, go down at Manfield, last weekend. Most had zero personal damage and only a few had bike damage. It gave me courage to know I could live through such an event.

But I just gotta know what it feels like to go hard then go splat. I want to know 'where' my bike (or my control/or lack of) makes it go splat.

And if turns out that my new Pilot Powers won't play, cos I'm still too pussy to push them, then I'll lock up the arse-end and splat. But I have promised myself that I will splat. I'm not so sure that I'm prepared to forced a high-end...that could hurt. But a down and slide I can live with.

I really do need to know what it feels like, and to know about when it's going to happen. Then, when I get back on the road, I will that much a better driver because I will know where the event horizon exists before a splat....given dry roads, lack of oil, shingle, dead possums, or folk performing a tracheotomy on a fellow biker. :--)).....

Will report back on Nov 1st with details.

[MadDuck]

So your main focus for doing a track day is to find out how it feels to go splat ?

God help the others out there on the track you may have the misfortune of taking out with you......

[FROSTY]

YOU WILL NOT FUCKING GO SPLAT. :bash:
Im the poor bastard that will have to haul your sorry ass back to auckland if ya do.
You will listen when you are spoken to by little ginger haired gremlins- they will talk common sense (thanks shaun)
You will follow a broken nosed racer for awhile and you will have a fuck load of fun.
Crashing is NOT a prerequisit. actually itll suck eggs bigtime if ya do it early in the day and hafta watch me goin round n round havin fun.

Trust me dude the "event horison" you are refering to is a fuck load furthur off than you can ever imagine it is.
You'll happily and painlessly (except the aches n pains the next day) find just how far you can lean and how late you can brake in a safe enviroment

[Katman]

Blah, blah, blah..........

Grow a fucking brain.

[Devil]

What
the
fuck
are
you
talking
about.

[R6_kid]

To experience a high side. Put on all the gear you will be wearing at the trackday. Stand on the outside of a first/second story balcony. Look out to one side with your eyes closed, and get someone to randomly push you off the balcony.


To experience a low side. Put on all the gear you will be wearing at the trackday. Get in the back of a van with rear door open. Find an empty car park, get someone to drive up to 30-50kmh, then lower yourself out the back and let go.


To see what will happen to your bike in a lowside. Go outside now and push it over, but not too hard, but be sure to let it fall. Then drag it down the driveway.

To see what happens in a highside, put you bike in the back of the van, go to the carpark and push you bike out the back of the van at 50-70kmh.


Otherwise, go out and enjoy the trackday for what it is.

[Gremlin]

You will listen when you are spoken to by little ginger haired gremlins.
I am not little, and I LIKE my hair!!

Seriously dude... wtf? If you really are intent on screwing up yourself, or your bike, you don't need a trackday. People have walked away from 200kph crashes with a bit of a burn. People have limped away from 60kph crashes with broken bones.

Not to mention that the "limit" you seem so intent on finding is easily found, by the sounds of things. You, and what your brain thinks you can do.

R6 kid... that be funny... I lol'd... a lot :clap:

[Forest]

This movie has your name all over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_(1996_film)

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[dpex]

Chortle. You guys and gals are so easy to wind up. It's really quite entertaining to watch the reactions to an obvious piss-take....Like the tracheotomy suggestion.....

The chances of me actually wanting to add the slightest scratch to my beautiful R6 are as likely as bashing my head on Frosty's door....Oops. Hang about. I did that yesterday...Mumble, mumble.

[Katman]

I'm always amused by the sudden backtrack and "it's just a wind up" claim that some people fall back on when they realise that they've just sounded like a dickhead.

[Quasievil]

it fucking hurts ya moron, sheeesh
:Pokey:

[dpex]

I'm always amused by the sudden backtrack and "it's just a wind up" claim that some people fall back on when they realise that they've just sounded like a dickhead.

Unlike your good self, Katman, I have yet to remove all doubt of such status.

[R6_kid]

Chortle. You guys and gals are so easy to wind up. It's really quite entertaining to watch the reactions to an obvious piss-take....Like the tracheotomy suggestion.....

The chances of me actually wanting to add the slightest scratch to my beautiful R6 are as likely as bashing my head on Frosty's door....Oops. Hang about. I did that yesterday...Mumble, mumble.

Sorry to break your spirit, but a 1995 YZF600 isn't quite an R6.

[MadDuck]

but a 1995 YZF600 isn't quite an R6.

...it may be in disguise :cool:

[jrandom]

Which group are you riding in on the 31st, dpex?

When you go splat, I promise to run over, poke you in the eye, and slit your throat with a broken mirror.

:niceone:

[vifferman]

Which group are you riding in on the 31st, dpex?

When you go splat, I promise to run over, poke you in the eye, and slit your throat with a broken mirror.

:niceone:
That's very kind of you.
You've obviously paid very close attention to the KB Online FirstOnTheScene Accident First-Aid Course, and you're just dying to put your new-found knowledge to use.
Good to have a willing volunteer, innit?

[jrandom]

You've obviously paid very close attention to the KB Online FirstOnTheScene Accident First-Aid Course, and you're just dying to put your new-found knowledge to use.

Yes.

When I crashed at a MotoTT day, everyone just rode by and giggled at me.

Shocking.

For all they knew, I could have been standing there dying.

[vifferman]

For all they knew, I could have been standing there dying.
Perhaps they just didn't come prepared with a piece of broken mirror and a ballpoint pen? I mean, you'd look pretty silly stopping your bike on the side of the track and rushing over to help, only to find you were actually helpless in the face of certain death. :nono:
Much wiser to just ride past and giggle. (With embarrassment, of course). :yes:

[FROSTY]

Which group are you riding in on the 31st, dpex?

When you go splat, I promise to run over, poke you in the eye, and slit your throat with a broken mirror.

:niceone:
Please don't do that mate. It takes FOREVER to wash the dried blood out of my vans carpets.--and ya never know YOU might need to borrow it next weekend

[dpex]

That's very kind of you.
You've obviously paid very close attention to the KB Online FirstOnTheScene Accident First-Aid Course, and you're just dying to put your new-found knowledge to use.
Good to have a willing volunteer, innit?

Vifferman, you're a damned fine bloke, Offering to run over me...at the expense of your suspension, on account of I'm a big, fat dude...is an exemplary indication of your sense of propriety, as regards my need to know how well my leathers will protect me.

May I ask you poke me in the left eye...the right is already a bit desensitized.. And would ya mind spitting on the broken mirror to ensure it's a bit clean?

Thanks mate. You make St John seem feeble.:--))

[dpex]

Oops. Not Viffer...JRandom. Same thanks to you.

[dpex]

Please don't do that mate. It takes FOREVER to wash the dried blood out of my vans carpets.--and ya never know YOU might need to borrow it next weekend

Jeez. Will ya stop moaning. My blood will be all out there on the track after Jrandom has done his thing.

[dpex]

Sorry to break your spirit, but a 1995 YZF600 isn't quite an R6.

How dare you Sir/Madame/Honda rider.!? My beautiful bike is as much an R6 as she wishes to be. And she doesn't give a fig for your antediluvian precepts.

I challenge you to a duel, Sir/Madame/Honda rider. On the track. At Taupo. 31st. Bring your own bits of broken mirror, tubes, etc. Jrandom may yet find another upon whom he may weave his desires.

[dpex]

Be careful, folks, the watchers are out there.

I take the piss about falling over at Taupo and get a message telling me I'm not allowed, Apparently it's okay to fall off when you least expect it, but not when you want to, or not

I watched Craig Sherrifs and sundry others fall off at Manfield. Nobody banned them. Apparently, their 'falling off' was just a part of it. Apparently, if I fall off I would present a major issue to other riders.

I write a piss-take to KB and get a phone call saying I mustn't think about falling off. Really? I mustn't think about this?

So perhaps one of you really smart guys can tell me how I will ever learn to recognise the point when falling off has arrived until I get there?

And is there a safer place to find out than on the track? Answer? No. So it seems I'm now destined to find out on the road. Gee. That's the good solution, eh?

That was the whole point of going to Taupo. To learn. To discover. To know when, on the road, the edges have been met.

But, oh no, we can't have that, can we. It's okay if a body such as me does want to find-out, but doesn't say a word before the event, then that's okay. But highlight what you wish to achieve, and what do you get? Bureaucratic bullshit.

I just want to know when me and my bike reach the event horizons. And the only place I can safely do that is at a track. But now, because I have stated my wish, I'm banned.

That's good eh?

[ajturbo]

WTF????

tell the wankers to pull their heads in...

i tell when i fall off.. it is the funniest thing!!!

well i think it is... cause MOST of the time i have no idea how or why...

hahahahaha

go crash matey and let us know how ya go...

and why.. (hope you don't hurt ya self of cause!!)

when i started bucket racing i fell off EVERY corner.... then one day i did one whole lapp... fell of with fright..
then one day i FINISHED a race....

i used to fall off on the left
on the right...
ran over people... crashed into people..

hahahahaha

[ajturbo]

it's all about finding YOUR limits...

GO FIND THEM!!!

[mtroskill]

Go to the track in a truck disguised as support crew and run them over.

[dilz]

have you actually been banned from moto tt trackdays bro?

[MadDuck]

I watched Craig Sherrifs and sundry others fall off at Manfield. Nobody banned them.

You compare yourself to Craig ?


I write a piss-take to KB

At the time you wrote it was it really a piss take? I dont think so.


And is there a safer place to find out than on the track? Answer? No. So it seems I'm now destined to find out on the road. Gee. That's the good solution, eh?

Just keep posting so I know which roads to stay off


That was the whole point of going to Taupo. To learn. To discover. To know when, on the road, the edges have been met.


What ...how to fall off and take someone with you?

Bureaucratic bullshit.


You sir are a dick head

[Taz]

Gee don't hold back madduck..... Tell him what you really think.

[MadDuck]

Gee don't hold back madduck..... Tell him what you really think.

I would probably get banned if i did that :msn-wink:

[sinfull]

I have a good idea ! Lets all (those in his group) chip in to pay the man half his entry fee back and see if we can get him banned till lunch break (at which time we can all watch (insert grin emote here) him take a fall or two !)
I got a tenner says he aint got the balls to do it !
Think it might be safe to ride with the man after lunch ! but then who knows aye!

[Ixion]

There is a good deal to be said for falling off in a controlled(ish) environment, even for the most cautious and prudent rider. Limits need to be explored if they are to be recognised as limts. Once discovered, one knows what to stay well within.

I personally prefer to do my falling off exploration on sand or mud, they are softer than tarmac, but the principle remains the same. If the circumsatnces be as stated, they seem pernicious and ill advised.

[MadDuck]

There is a good deal to be said for falling off in a controlled(ish) environment, even for the most cautious and prudent rider. .

Chain around the neck raise any alarm bells? I would personally not be on any track or road as dpex....given his attitude

[jrandom]

I challenge you to a duel, Sir/Madame/Honda rider. On the track. At Taupo. 31st.

... in the carpark?

:pinch:

[jrandom]

MotoTT is a private company which has no responsibility to allow any particular person to participate in their trackdays. If they decide that you're not welcome, then, tough - you shouldn't have given them good reason to feel that way.

Publicly stating that one intends to go out at a trackday and crash is idiotic.

We're not talking about mucking around on dirtbikes, here. We're talking about 200kg+ road bikes at 200+ kph. Riders can and do die on racetracks, y'know, and often because more than one bike gets involved in a crash.

It's difficult, particularly for new riders like dpex, to maintain full situational awareness when riding at pace on the racetrack. The only way they can not be a danger to others is to ride predictably, smoothly and progressively.

dpex, the only appropriate attitude for a trackday is 'safety first and consideration for others'. Your blatant disregard for that was a serious mistake to make.

I, for one, am happy to know that I won't be having to share the track with you next Friday. Hopefully you'll make good use of your enforced cooldown period, now, and bring a wiser approach to trackdays in future.

[DUCATI*HARD]

FUCK THEM!!!:2guns:

[nodrog]

ive got a van, give me the cost of a track day and i will follow you around the coro loop if you want, with full video so you can review afterwards.

[Bonez]

Be careful, folks, the watchers are out there.

Welcome to our world. This is hardly an earth shattering revelation.

[Big Dave]

Face value mate.
Unfortunately there is no subtlety in this means of communication. No wry grin or twinkle in the eye transmits without at least 'some' graphical embellishment.

[Goblin]

So perhaps one of you really smart guys can tell me how I will ever learn to recognise the point when falling off has arrived until I get there?



I just want to know when me and my bike reach the event horizons. And the only place I can safely do that is at a track. But now, because I have stated my wish, I'm banned.
I used to wonder what it'd be like to crash on the track too. I always wanted to know my limits and thought the only way to find out is to push it too hard, and crash. Then I got knocked off by a complete idiot during practice. It HURT! My kids had to bathe me. My shoulder STILL HURTS 18 months later! It was EXPENSIVE! My bike is still not back together. That was at a race meeting. Track days are NOT race days! Track days are for people to learn to ride, NOT crash, in a safe environment.

If you are seen pushing it too much and putting yourself and others at risk, you will be called into the pits and spoken to about your safety and the safety of other track users. Hopefully before you crash or hurt anyone else. In other words, told to pull your head in!

If you want to experience falling off, get yourself a dirt bike, decent armor, boots and back protector. All the same principles apply.

[Katman]

Fucked if I'd want to share the track with a time bomb.

[FROSTY]

Hey you lot actually this aint funny.

[illcacophony]

I reckon dpex's original post was more a case of his lack of confidence doing the talking, thinking he was destined to bail, so rather than looking like a chump he'll say "that's what I wanted to achieve".

I haven't done a trackday either yet man, but when I do it is for me to explore and get a better feel of my bike. Falling off is the LAST thing I want to do- been there done that and it sucks.

[jrandom]

Hey you lot actually this aint funny.

Too right.

Hopefully dpex will realise that, swallow his pride, and learn from his mistakes, eh?

[jrandom]

I reckon dpex's original post was more a case of his lack of confidence doing the talking, thinking he was destined to bail...

Maybe, maybe not.

A point to ponder - if you walked into a bar and bellowed "I'M HERE TO GET OFF MY FUCKING FACE!" would you be surprised if you were refused service?

[FROSTY]

Maybe, maybe not.

A point to ponder - if you walked into a bar and bellowed "I'M HERE TO GET OFF MY FUCKING FACE!" would you be surprised if you were refused service?
Heres another point to ponder.
You have been a supporter of sensible drinking for a number of years.
You are on record as a clear supporter of sensible drinking.
You in fact opened a similar bar where sensible drinking was for several years the ONLY option.
If you then walked into the bar you mention at the same time as the above mentioned bellower .You find yourself refused service.
Would you be suprised?

Actually its a case of someone shouted me a "beer" whilst he bought a beer himself. Because he's refused service I miss out on my beer at that time. However I'm actually always welcolm at the hotel or indeed to buy my own beer but given the beer tap is now empty I can't drink at that point in time.
Dang now i need a beer

[Katman]

Heres another point to ponder.
You have been a supporter of sensible drinking for a number of years.
You are on record as a clear supporter of sensible drinking.
You in fact opened a similar bar where sensible drinking was for several years the ONLY option.
If you then walked into the bar you mention at the same time as the above mentioned bellower and find yourself refused service.
Would you be suprised?

Ponder back at ya.

I haven't seen any real indication that dpex is a clear supporter of sensible riding.

[chrispy121]

I was really keen to go

[FROSTY]

Ponder back at ya.

I haven't seen any real indication that dpex is a clear supporter of sensible riding.
who's talking about Dpex?

[Katman]

who's talking about Dpex?

Are you implying you've been refused admission to the trackday as well?

[jrandom]

Are you implying you've been refused admission to the trackday as well?

Yes, he was implying that, but I believe it was due to a misunderstanding which has now been cleared up.

:niceone:

[Gremlin]

MotoTT is a private company which has no responsibility to allow any particular person to participate in their trackdays. If they decide that you're not welcome, then, tough - you shouldn't have given them good reason to feel that way.

Publicly stating that one intends to go out at a trackday and crash is idiotic.

We're not talking about mucking around on dirtbikes, here. We're talking about 200kg+ road bikes at 200+ kph. Riders can and do die on racetracks, y'know, and often because more than one bike gets involved in a crash.

Good point made here actually. Newbies such as dpex may not fully understand, but crashing at a track can be extremely dangerous. Death, or worse, paralysis occurs, and often more than one is involved.

Arguably, yes, it is safer to crash at a race track, given there are no handy trees to wrap yourself around, oncoming vehicles to bounce off etc, but it does not mean that it is "safe to crash".

Perhaps a bit of marshalling would enlighten you, dpex. (I can tell ya, fuck racing after the seasons of marshalling I have done).

[MadDuck]

Heres another point to ponder.
You have been a supporter of sensible drinking for a number of years.
You are on record as a clear supporter of sensible drinking.
You in fact opened a similar bar where sensible drinking was for several years the ONLY option.
If you then walked into the bar you mention at the same time as the above mentioned bellower .You find yourself refused service.
Would you be suprised?

Actually its a case of someone shouted me a "beer" whilst he bought a beer himself. Because he's refused service I miss out on my beer at that time. However I'm actually always welcolm at the hotel or indeed to buy my own beer but given the beer tap is now empty I can't drink at that point in time.
Dang now i need a beer

Nup Frosty I dont get it. What you are saying does not equate to what was being discussed on the thread.

OK take a different view of what has gone on here. Me ...rock up to a track day to have a go. First time ever. Someone has gone on to an internet site proclaiming their aim is to crash ...sorry "splat".

Now ...let me see....will i still attend this track day....mmmm I dont think so because my main aim is not to crash but to have a fun day and gain some skills.

You had a person do the same thing to you at a track day and you came down on them hard. As I would expect you to do. Whats changed?

[FROSTY]

gosh darn it maybee some plain english then.
Dpex wants/wanted to inprove his riding skills. To do so He sighned up for a trackday. He also enlisted the help of someone thats been mentoring his riding as he is very well aware of his limitations but is mature enough to know that to improve he needed guidence in a controlled enviroment.
He in his exuberance let rip with some stupid smack talk about crashing and indeed wanting to crash.
Nothing is further from his mind in all honesty.
As a result of his comments his entry to the track day has been cancelled as has the entry paid for his mentor by him .
His mentor is always welcolm at track days just THAT entry fee was cancelled


I can see both sides of the coin in this one . From his point of view he was talking a load of shit on the internet not expecting anyone to take it seriously.
From the track day organisers point of view someone saying they wanna crash is an instant very loud alarm bell and raises all sorts of insurance issues too.-
Certainly I lost sleep in just the same situation with certain KBers smack talking about boozing and taking drugs night before a track day or others with scarey riding history insisting they were going to give one and all the learn.

I can't say that mr Dpex wont crash On a track day but I can say he aint out to deliberately wad his bike or himself.