Fines

[svp]

Hey Guys:

What’s penalty if caught riding a bike larger then a 250 on your learner’s license?

What’s the penalty if caught carrying a passenger on your 250?

Cheers everyone

[slofox]

I think its usually lynching from the nearest tree, isn't it? Or is it castration at dawn on an empty stomach....?

[EJK]

$400

and

$400

If you don't have an L plate (which I think you won't have) thats another $400

But just remember, you pay them IF you get caught...

[Slyer]

You pay them WHEN you get caught.
(And you will)

[Gubb]

You pay them WHEN you get caught.
(And you will)

Rubbish.

I didn't. Usually if you ride like an idiot, you'll attract attention.

Then again, the Gingaa may be lurking around.

[discotex]

No insurance when riding outside the conditions of your license.

Something worth considering as learners are prone to prangs - and it's the repairs to the other vehicle that will sting the worst.

[EJK]

No insurance when riding outside the conditions of your license.

Something worth considering as learners are prone to prangs - and it's the repairs to the other vehicle that will sting the worst.

Yep especially if you bang into a spankin new BMW.

[CookMySock]

and don't get caught with a pillion. $800

[thehollowmen]

And don't forget 25 demerits for each offense.

[slimjim]

fuck why worry its only your hard earn cash....pilly doesn't have to pay a cent..........an in the end its..... YOUR CHOICE....

[portokiwi]

:jerry: Soon, We will be getting a thread on what to do with a fine he just got......:2guns: If you get cought you pay the price.:2guns:

[rphenix]

You pay them WHEN you get caught.
(And you will)

Depends how you ride :) I rode around for several years after my license got all screwed by the conversion from paper to photo-id (lost the motorcycle class) didn't ever get pulled over but I always have worn the correct gear, tried to drive inconspicuously and to be honest a lot of the riding was more off road than on back then.

I'm good and getting it all fixed again now (hence the 250), nice to know I can be pulled over and wont get a fine. My advice would be to either get the 250cc restriction exemption otherwise just get a 250 and get the correct license otherwise your just delaying the inevitable (sitting your license) and potentially getting a fine.

[ckai]

Wouldn't rocking on out and picking up a swanky 600 or litre on a lerners screw you for sitting all the other tests? Unless you're aiming to never sit the other tests and get your full. Or get an excemption.

How does buying a bigger bike out of licence work from a dealer? They have to record your licence so I would assume whoever the forms go to would say "no sorry, you can't have it cause you're a newbie".

It's the same as driving a car and following the rules. If you're a dick and doing something outside the rules (apart from being a dick), you'll get nailed.


I didn't. Usually if you ride like an idiot, you'll attract attention.

That's what it comes down to though.


and don't get caught with a pillion. $800

Holy shitballs batman!!

[robo555]

How does buying a bigger bike out of licence work from a dealer? They have to record your licence so I would assume whoever the forms go to would say "no sorry, you can't have it cause you're a newbie".


Dealers can sell bikes to you no matter what licence you have, they can sell you one even if you don't have a licence.

[hospitalfood]

You pay them WHEN you get caught.
(And you will)

bet your heaps of fun at a party.

[hospitalfood]

And don't forget 25 demerits for each offense.

you only get the demerits from the worst offence if you get more than one ticket at the same time

[PirateJafa]

and don't get caught with a pillion. $800

Poor effort - best I've done was with a pillion at 2AM on the Viffer - ironically the pillion had their full license! :rolleyes:


Wouldn't rocking on out and picking up a swanky 600 or litre on a lerners screw you for sitting all the other tests? Unless you're aiming to never sit the other tests and get your full. Or get an excemption.

How does buying a bigger bike out of licence work from a dealer? They have to record your licence so I would assume whoever the forms go to would say "no sorry, you can't have it cause you're a newbie".

Why? Just borrow a 250 from a friend.

And since when do the dealers have to record your license? Since when do they care if you even have a license. All they need is the money. :niceone:

[racefactory]

bet your heaps of fun at a party.

Haha yeah I was just thinking that.

I rode a VFR400 NC30 on learners, I had all the gear, flourescent safety jacket... drove reasonably responsibly and ALWAYS on the look out for police/holdens. Never get stopped. Even if you do, i don't think its that likely the average cop will go looking for what cc your bike is.... and then there are excuses you could try pull. You will be nervous at first, but then soon you'll wonder why you worried.

I know a guy on a SV650 on his learners who is not even bothered about getting his restricted he's done it so long now. Also know a guy who's riding his GSXR750 on learners.

....The main problem though, for me, was that i spent WAY too much time glancing and my mirrors and watching speed instead of enjoying the ride without a single care. That was the main thing, gets to you a little sometimes. But having said that, In the end i saved a heap of money on STUPID 250 prices... would have paid for the fines if i did get caught anyway!!

Not reccommending that you do it, but if you really think you can be responsible on the bigger machine and have a passion for bikes (ie. not just getting it to be a squid/boy racer) AND you can face buying proper gear... then you could consider it.

If you want to do the restricted... just borrow a mates GN250, simple? And about dealers, i don't believe they wouldnt let you buy the machine if you showed them the cash... no way! That's how my friend got his GSXR750!

[ckai]

Dealers can sell bikes to you no matter what licence you have, they can sell you one even if you don't have a licence.

Interesting. I think I've heard that before but wondered why when I got mine they asked for my licence details. Most probably for the rego.



Why? Just borrow a 250 from a friend.

I wouldn't have been able to do it up until now since I was the only person I knew with a 250. I suppose sooner or later you find someone on a 250 that will share.

[Slyer]

Don't mind me I'm just cynical.
I take passengers on my restricted car all the time.

I'm more concerned about times that they stop all the traffic rather then being pulled over.

[Mom]

I take passengers on my restricted car all the time.


A little bit of Mom advice here. Please dont take passengers in your car when you only have a restricted license to drive. The ramifications can be very bad, and I am not just talking about the police ones here. If you are driving our of your license conditions it voids your insurance. Dont place yourself in a position where if you have an accident you are left with the bill!

I worked for a lawyer a while ago and this situation came up with the son of one of his clients. He hit a very new Mercedes. The damage was not so big to look at, but the cost to repair was in the tens of thousands of dollars. The advice the lawyer gave him was, wait for the demand for payment, then take it to the court house and bankrupt yourself!

Going bankrupt might sound like the bill goes away (it does) but it takes 8 years to come clear of the stigma. Three years bankrupt, the 5 years after discharge for the record to drop off your credit history. A long time in a young fellas life.

Do a defensive driving course and get your full as soon as you can. Dont drive with passengers.

Mom growl over.

[racefactory]

Yeah good piece of advice there!

[Slyer]

Don't pick on me pick on the guys riding 750's on their learners, they are screwed if they hit something too! :bleh:
Best you follow it eh trademe900? ;)

[Blossom]

I brought my vl250 without a licence. I got my learners a week after I brought it, all they asked for my car licence or passport as identification for the ownership/registration papers.

[Slyer]

It would make no sense to need a license to buy it, what if you were buying it for someone else or whatever? There are lots of reasons that you could buy one apart from riding it.

[CookMySock]

I wouldn't bankrupt myself because someone else wasn't insured. If you don't insure then you don't get insurance. Conversely, if HE doesn't insure HE doesn't get insurance. It doesn't all work one way but not the other.

Steve

[breakaway]

Alright although I'm gonna get ostracized for saying this, here goes.

Even if you do get caught, The money you save from not having to buy a expensive 250 'learner' bike will enable you to break even, hell, you'll even have enough money left over for burger king.

Also I've found from numerous test rides that most 'learner bikes' are totally fucT from ignorant people (Disclaimer: Not every learner is ignorant) not knowing how to maintain it. It's not like a car, you can't just drop it off for a service once every year and be done with it.

$5000 for early 'mint' 90s 250 or $4500 for a late 90s mint 600/650? You choose. It even leaves a healthy margin for getting snapped once.

The ONLY downside to it is that you have no insurance, so if you stack it into a merc or it gets stolen, you'll be in the shitter. For this reason, I recommend not riding like a twat for the former and maybe buying a bike that's worth no more than ~$5000 then putting alarm / locks on it if you leave it unattended for the former.

PS If you get owned as a result of this post, it is not my fault. Take this 'advice' at your own risk.

[racefactory]

Yeah as i mentioned above i too saved a fucking lot of money i have to say... however i am insured now. it really teaches you to not be a squid as an added side effect!

[Swoop]

Since when do they care if you even have a license. All they need is the money. :niceone:
Quite right. There are car dealers out there who will do exactly that, when an international person shows up to study in NZ and happens to be carrying a large wad of cash.
"You would like that twin-turbo, NoS equipped, jap-import with the baked bean can exhaust? You have cash? Certainly, I will sell that to you right now!"
What is the dealer going to say? "Piss off!"??
The person is just going to walk along the road until he/she finds a dealer who will sell to them. Then we have another danger on our roads.

A made up story? No. That all came from a central Auckland car dealer's mouth.

[Tank]

I wouldn't bankrupt myself because someone else wasn't insured. If you don't insure then you don't get insurance. Conversely, if HE doesn't insure HE doesn't get insurance. It doesn't all work one way but not the other.

Steve

So what would YOU do if you hit someone and did 10's of '000's of damage to their nice new car?

Oh thats right - you done believe in insurance and 'self insure' - then take the gutless way out refusing to pay regardless of the financial hardship you cause the other person because of your actions and being too tight to pay for insurance.


Ah that sucks bro. Yeah bikes are for goofing off on, and sometimes we screw it up - thems the breaks! This time you got off lightly.

Right, any damage to anyone else ? Any liability ? If so, deny everything and refuse to discuss the accident with anyone. Disappear into the long grass, and say nothing. Fix your own bike with your own money, and let your sore knee mend itself etc. If anyone wants to knock on your door and talk about the incident, tell them they are at the wrong place. If the feds turn up, tell them u dunno jack about that, and shut the door and go back to what you were doing. Letter from some insurance company demanding payment? bew hew hew, chuck it in the bin. Life goes on. Dont FFS admit the whole thing to the feds in the hope things will be better.. :rolleyes:

DB

Seriously - people with such lax morals piss the hell out of me. Its gutless and exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with this country.

You are generally the same kind of people that waaaaaaaaaa if it all goes wrong for you.

[Mom]

I wouldn't bankrupt myself because someone else wasn't insured. If you don't insure then you don't get insurance. Conversely, if HE doesn't insure HE doesn't get insurance. It doesn't all work one way but not the other.

Steve

My apologies to the OP here for my off topic response but...

Of course the other party was insured, and they got their very expensive car repaired. It was their insurance company coming after this young lad to reimburse them for the expense. Bankrupcy was the only option for this young fella mate, he had no money and the insurance company wanted paying!

Ride or drive without 3rd party insurance at your peril. The same applies to outside of license conditions. I was not having a particular prod at any one person here, this applies to all.