Chang Jiang 750

[CJ750]

Anybody looking for one??? there is one on trademe at the moment

[Swoop]

The question of "why?" has to be asked...

[Motu]

I'm puzzled about the age of these things - are they still manufactured in current production....or are they remanufactured from old bikes with maybe some new parts and paint jobs? If they are old bikes,what were the years of production....when did it start and stop? When was the last one built...NEW! .

[Ixion]

After some research I ave concluded that new machines ARE still being manufactured. However, there is not in China such a clear distinction between new and used as with us.There is not a single (or even several) Chang Jiang factory(s). And no factory actually produces a complete Chang Jiang from scratch.

Production takes place piecemeal at a number of different manufacturing sites, often changing quite quickly, because manufacture of motorcycle parts is regarded as a 'filler' to keep the factory going when other work is short; and parts from these various factories are then assembled at even more and various assemblers, some of them little more than a "hole in the wall". And many of these will "extend" supplies of new parts with second ones when they can. This model is quite typical of China.

So the question is not "new or used" but "how much of it is 'new'"

[Motu]

I kinda thought that was the case,but the frustrating thing is NO ONE will front up and tell the truth.They um and ah,and hedge around the real truth.Why don't they just front up and say this is an old shitter rebuilt with new bits and pieces....or this is a new bike,built brand new this year,using old parts.What is the real story....or can't we have that from China?

[Ixion]

Very likely the guy exporting them doesn't actually know himself. He buys them from a cousin of his sisters boyfriend, who buys them from his uncles wifes second husband, who buys them from 16 villages in the interior. And every bike in a shipment is probably a different story. China's like that.

edit: The other complexity is documents. In China, documents are harder and more expensive to obtain than bikes, and usually call for much bribery. Documents for old, used bikes are easier to obtain. So a "new" bike may be fitted out with documents form an old one that has been junked (gee, where have I heard of that being done before, eh?).

[skidMark]

Is it just my head cold, or is everybody else as confused as i am.

[CJ750]

I have read that CJ's were first built in China in 1957 from the tooling taken out of Germany by the Russians. The Chinese dealers tell the world that all of the bikes exported from China are bikes built for the PLA. Some of the pics I have seen on the website have only a few kms on them when they are stripped and rebuilt to individual requirements. Some of the bikes that are 2000ish models have some pretty ugly castings as the tooling hasnt been maintained very well.
As for the question "why". I am done with building and racing big horsepower sidecars. I have been after an old sidecar for a while and a CJ750 is a lot cheaper than an old Harley or Indian and they come in a restorde condition. They have their problems but they are based on technology from the late thirties. I am quite happy to fix or modify anything that breaks on it. Some of the finishing work is just shit and they are definitely not for everyone. If you are into tinkering and riding then they are farkin cool.

[Ixion]

Yeah, when I started riding pretty much every bike was like that. Performance wise , too.

I'd sort of like one, just to play with, nostalgia and all that. Is sort of fun, the challenge of dealing with getting from A to B despite it all.

But I just think they are way too dear for what they offer. The Renfields offer more way back machine for your buck.

[Coyote]

Very likely the guy exporting them doesn't actually know himself. He buys them from a cousin of his sisters boyfriend, who buys them from his uncles wifes second husband, who buys them from 16 villages in the interior. And every bike in a shipment is probably a different story. China's like that.

My girlfriend's best friend's Dad has a container of cheap scooters. I might get one if I find any loose change :D

[CJ750]

Although I have bought a CJ from a dealer in China doesnt mean that I dont still think that they are a bunch of lying cheating bunch of sons of bitches. I wasnt really looking for a 5 year 10000km warranty but I knew that if I had asked for it ,they would have said that it came standard along with AA roadside assist. Luckily for me I am an engineering tutor and have access to all the machinery and contacts to make replacement parts out of better materials and to better tolerances.
In fact I could forgive anybody for wanting to bomb the slant eyed bastards.
When the NZ dollar is good against the greenback you can get one like mine(have a look at my pics) for under $US5000. It cost me $US1100 to ship from the workshop to Auckland port. $NZ2200 to get it off the port and through all the customs bullshit and about $NZ400 to vin and register. So the bike in my pics landed here for a little over $NZ10k.
If you dont have a lot of mechanical knowledge it can be a disadvantage for sure but there is some info available about fixing things that give trouble. I will help anybody bring one in and also help with repairs etc.

[Motu]

I'd sort of like one, just to play with, nostalgia and all that. Is sort of fun, the challenge of dealing with getting from A to B despite it all.

But I just think they are way too dear for what they offer. The Renfields offer more way back machine for your buck.

Me too - my disposable income doesn't extend to decimal points,let alone commas.I get bikes like the CJ750 that need to be pulled apart and put back together properly for free!.No way am I going to pay that much for one.But I still want one.

[CJ750]

If you tell the ching dealer to give you all the paperwork for a pre 1959 bike it is easier to vin and register here in NZ. If it is portrayed as pre 1959 then none of the crap about no standards shown on light lenses etc matters.
You really have to want one to buy one, if you look at website postings etc on CJ sites you will read what owners all over the world have done to cure problems they have had.
Only another sidecar rider can understand the appeal of an old Chinese sidecar or any sidecar for that matter.
When you lay down on a road racing sidecar at about 280k's with the foreward most part of your body being your face, with 200 hp bolted on behind you, along with another crazy bastard who jumps around all over the back of it so that the both of you can go as fast as possible, only then do you realise that there is something very bloody wrong with you but,what a f*#kin rush.

[CJ750]

If I added up all the money I have spent on road racing and speedway sidecars I could have bought about 20 of the bloody things.

[CJ750]

The one on trademe has done under 1000 k's ,registered ,reserve met and right now just over 4 grand.

[sidecar bob]

When you lay down on a road racing sidecar at about 280k's with the foreward most part of your body being your face, with 200 hp bolted on behind you, along with another crazy bastard who jumps around all over the back of it so that the both of you can go as fast as possible, only then do you realise that there is something very bloody wrong with you but,what a f*#kin rush.

Theres nothing wrong with me!! :Punk:
Hey i seriously wanted to enter one of these things in classic sidecar class at Wanganui this year, that would be hilarious. I assumed there may have been a NZ distrubtor that wanted some exposure, but it would seem not.

[CJ750]

I thought about talking to Annan to see if he wanted it for the parade lap at Wanganui with a super soaker fed with water and an air bottle in the chair.
I have tried emailing the guy I got my one off about a kiwi depot for parts etc. He has said he will help me with a webpage but it will be of no use if all the parts still by travel by sea passed Mars on their way here.

[sidecar bob]

I thought about talking to Annan to see if he wanted it for the parade lap at Wanganui with a super soaker fed with water and an air bottle in the chair.


Scrivy & i Will do It!!!

[Motig]

Looked at your photos of the outfit CJ. Must say it looks not to bad. Great retro.

[CJ750]

I had to laugh ,the last time I saw Scrivvy and probably you was at Ruapuna early 06 at Ruapuna ,I think it was the GP. The year that Steve Bron first rode the Sellar LCR. I was down there giving Phil Garrett a hand when he first put his black worm on the track. He was absolutely fucked half way through, Steve Bron only managed to get to half throttle and you guys on that short yellow thing waving at the crowd .When you both got off the bike you looked like you could go do it all again. Good to see good engineering riding over the top of money.

[GrayWolf]

They're very similar to the old Dnepier, Ural (urinal) and Cossack from the USSR. Think they became the Soviet factory in the late 80's. Why an old 1930's sidecar?? Well before they were banned from the UK because of having a right hand sidecar, you could by the real militaryt spec chair with the driven sidecar wheel and all the extra 'armour' plating and machine gun mounts still fitted.
Now thats gotta be a blast!!

[CJ750]

When the germans lost the second war in a row the russians and the yanks cut germany into east and west germany. The russians got the east. They seized the BMW factory which had made the R71 from 1938 and took it all to Russia. They made some mods like shifting the sidecar wheel back to line up with the rear wheel so that they could drive them both. The Ural was born. About 1955ish the Chinese got hold of all the original tooling etc that the ruskys had seized and they continued making them in their flathead form to replace a 500cc thing that they were building.In about 1985ish the Chings begged the russians for the OHV model that they had been working on to upgrade their now quite old bike. So its bloody hard to say when any bike or part for that matter was actually made. My bike has been registered as a 1958 model and I really dont give a fat rats arse when any of it was made. When bits break or just stop working I will repair it .:clap::clap::clap:

[xwhatsit]

Almost, but you're confusing two models there -- the R71 and the R72. The R71 (old 1930s design) the Germans gave willingly to the Soviets just prior to the war when they were still `buddies' -- gave it willingly because they already had the much better R72 almost done, which they were building because they felt the R71 was old hat and not quite up for Blitzkrieg etc. The Soviet version of the R71 was used for a while, then it got given to the Chinese as part of some communism-brotherhood thing they had, in the mid-late-50s.

Meanwhile, after WWII finished, that's when the Soviets pissed off with the R72, which turned into the Ural and those current Russian sidecar outfits. So the Ural and the CJ750s are from two different models -- very closely related though. Ural is the one to have, if you're fighting WWII I suppose.

[inlinefour]

Anybody looking for one??? there is one on trademe at the moment

Id only have one if it was legal to carry a firearm. As there is no chance of that happening, I cannot see the use for one. It looks like a cross between a bmw and a lada. :eek:

[CJ750]

As for where they came from I only wrote down what I have read on many websites. It doesnt really matter where it came from as it is now here in NZ. In fact I probably would have bought one even if the aussies were making them lol. As for saying it is a cross between a bmw and a Lada,thanks very much....... I have a photo in a box somewhere of an old brown Lada I owned for a while. It has a trailer hooked on the back and on it is the Britten that Stroud rode to victory at Daytona. I looked after the Britten for a day at a festival ,helping kids to get on it for photos etc. As for the Lada, always remember, "A second class ride is better than a first class WALK"

[Bonez]

"A second class ride is better than a first class WALK"Very good.

[Ixion]

The "500 thing" was a soviet copy of the Zundapp.

[Kickaha]

I thought about talking to Annan to see if he wanted it for the parade lap at Wanganui with a super soaker fed with water and an air bottle in the chair.


I reckon we'd be up for that:shifty:


I was down there giving Phil Garrett a hand when he first put his black worm on the track. He was absolutely fucked half way through, .

You'd hardly recognise that bike now it's changed hands, the Tv set on the back has gone and it has a decent airbox, and it's gone faster than when Phil owned it

[CJ750]

That word pops up again,"copy". I suppose that way back then the easy way to make something was to copy something someone had already developed. Seems like theft and laziness to me but it goes hand in hand with just how dodgy the chings come across. It is still cool to ride though.

[Motu]

Technology was money back in the '30's and 40's when money had no value,and blueprints for motor vehicles were used as lubrication in politics.How many versions of the DKW were there?....whole industries were built on it.The old sidevalve was given to the Russians by Hitler to keep them happy.....but after the Russians came to Berlin very unhappy...they stole the new model which became the Ural.The sidevalve was given to the Chinese to shut them up after a bad deal.Just more rumours to add to our mix.

Don't be so defensive about your ride CJ750,there has only been one slightly negative post about the CJ750 in this whole thread - everyone else wants one,we are all interested and more than a little envious.

[Ixion]

OK, today they don't 'copy'. They 'license the technology'. Same thing. Just common sense. If your industry is in a start up stage, the best way to get it rolling quickly is to license technology from someone else (except back then they didn't do weasel words, so they called it copy).


BSA copied the technology of what was, arguably, their best selling bike ever, the Bantam. The USA copied the whole of their start up missile and space technology from the Germans. The Japs copied anything and everything.

From the point of the 'Minister of Industry' it makes sense. You can ramp up fast, you KNOW the design works, if you have any problems you can go ask someone 'How do we fix this'. Beats spending 20 years and half your GNP redeveloping the wheel.


And from our point of view, it's also a good thing. We know the design is basically sound. Just think how dubious a bike would be that had the quality issues AND was an unknown unproven design!

A genuine BMW R75 SV is way out of range of most of us, doillar wise. The 'copy' is more affordable. I just think that they are too dear. I suspect that in China you could pick up a good one for the equivalent of a couple of thousand, probably much less.

[CJ750]

Thanks Motu, you certainly are a wealth of information. I am wondering why you dont already have one. I first saw a CJ sidecar on trademe a year or two ago but it had a right hand sidecar. It was old and run in and registered. The thing that I couldnt get over was the fact that $2500 would have bought it. I have had plenty of fun scaring the absolute bejesus out of the odd passenger during my racing days and I knew that one scare with a R/H sidecar would have the wife sitting on top of my helmet and never get in it again.Luckily for me when I came to buy one after a shitload of research , the greenback was kind to me at about 80 odd cents in the dollar so it wasnt that painful. I did worry the hair off my head after I sent some coin to a guy in China that I had neither met nor spoken to. The whole thing was done by email.
Now that I have been through the whole ordeal I will answer any question and offer any help to anybody who wants to get one into the country.If anybody wants to come and see it they are most welcome.
I have only had a look inside the final drive so far and I can say that the bits and pieces are solid in their construction. The main shaft has some pitting where the needle rollers run and I have emailed the supplier about a replacement. He has yet to reply, but I am sure he will. When my CJ came over there was a box of bits for a guy on Waiheke island who had had a problem with a cast iron gear tearing all its teeth off and filling the engine with swarf.The box of bits was supplied at no cost and there was way more bits in the box than was needed for the repair.The waiheke guy also purchased a brand new engine for $US500. While I was going through the no hear from the supplier stage I actually rang the supplier (Bill Eng) and was surprised to hear an american accent on the other end. Bill was educated in the US I am told which is why so many people buy bikes from him. There is NO language barrier to deal with.If you read blogs etc on the CJ750 website you will not hear any whinging about any problems that occur.All the people who have bought them have not considered the age of bikes or bits. They just load up info and photos of repairs done. I will no doubt do the same. So if anybody really wants one I am happy to help. I looked at one in Pakuranga prior to ordering mine and actually looking and touching one helped with my decision

[jedi]

Although I have bought a CJ from a dealer in China doesnt mean that I dont still think that they are a bunch of lying cheating bunch of sons of bitches.


In fact I could forgive anybody for wanting to bomb the slant eyed bastards.


Really? And you're what a tutor did you say? Got any Chinese students?

Fuck you

[CJ750]

I do actually. It is quite funny to listen to them (2) slagging off the authorities in their country. They love it here because we dont have the level of corruption that they have to deal with on a daily basis. They have told me that if you dont have enough money you cant "buy" the services that we take for granted here in NZ. The comments that I have made have been uttered by my Chinese students.I have asked them if they have come here to learn skills that they will take back to China. They want to buy jandals and barbeques and never go back.Not all Chinese like living in China it seems.

[nallac]

thats a nice looking old?/new? bike you got there.

[shano]

You get older and speed is no longer an issue... the thrum of an old sidevalve and being able to actually see the scenary that you are passing is what lifes about ..... parking one next to a flash jappa or a Harley poser gives you more attention plus you can wear all the old gears and people dont laugh that you look strange ... so what they sometimes break down on the side of the road but people will actually stop to help because it gives them a chance to look at the old beasts without looking as if they were just being nosey .

[CJ750]

I do believe from the spirit of your post that you will indeed get one. That one on trademe closes at 6.22 tonight. You wont be dissapointed :niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone:

[sidecar bob]

There is a full page article in the B.O.P Times, sat nite about a guy Kurt Nielsen that imports Ural outfits, he is quoting a "restored" unit for $10,000 & a full military 2wd but unfortunately with R/H chair for $20,000

[shano]

I went to have a look and I actually knew the guy ... it will do me well .. the old prison will certainly hear me coming and they will also know who owns it ( mind you they hear the old Beezer )... why some of the other guys dont get into the old bikes I dont know ... its the thrill of the unexpected ...the will I or wont I make it ... its the spice of life ...nothing clear cut ... mind you thats what cellphones were invented for ... " ummmm luv can you get hold of your dad and get him to bring the van " mind you a side car rig now needs something more substantial if it cant be hammered fixed at the side of the road ...

[sidecar bob]

I went to have a look and I actually knew the guy ... it will do me well .. the old prison will certainly hear me coming and they will also know who owns it ( mind you they hear the old Beezer )... why some of the other guys dont get into the old bikes I dont know ... its the thrill of the unexpected ...the will I or wont I make it ... its the spice of life ...nothing clear cut ... mind you thats what cellphones were invented for ... " ummmm luv can you get hold of your dad and get him to bring the van " mind you a side car rig now needs something more substantial if it cant be hammered fixed at the side of the road ...

Awesome one dude!!! Now we just need to get you guys entered in the classic sidecar class at Wanganui. Seriously, i can assist in that area, i have the organisers number in my phone.

[shano]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=clKMqZnk5BU ... dang I like these bikes ... suits my eccentricity .... My old friends in the BSA club knew these fellas

[pete376403]

Mike Dobson at Motorad has at least one Ural and possibly more plus he seems to be a fount of sidecar knowlege in general. He may be able to help if you have questions.

I went out with a bunch of sidecaristas last weekend. A real hoot and I don;t think we exceeded the speed limit once.

[shano]

I let my bike licence lapse in 1983 for 4 years so have had to to resit for my new one .. I refuse to put an L plate on my bike .. I simply refuse ... mind you could be an expensive stand ... My Mother and her hubby live on a farm in Wanga's so would be a nice jaunt ..

[shano]

I am getting a new garage built in a few weeks ...9 x 7.2m so that I can work on my beasties

[CJ750]

Excellent buy Shane. If I were you I would liven up the registration IMMEDIATELY. In March ish next year a couple are coming back from a stint at the NZ embassy in Beijing. He is bringing his CJ home with him. So you may be lucky enough to live close to him maybe? It will be bloody awesome to have a couple of them out together. At the current exchange rate against the greenback, i paid $US1100 for freight,$NZ2200 for customs etc and $450 for vin and reg. That adds up to about what you have paid for your CJ, so you have paid for the same stuff I did but you got the bike for free....Well Done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy to help if needed . :niceone::niceone::clap::clap:

[shano]

Might mean I gotta join another club ... and eat more chinese foods ..i sure will pick your brains

[shano]

and I will have to see what componants this girls got ... But first things first, hiding the bike so the Mother-in-law doesnt see it

[CJ750]

Will have to start the club before we can all join

[shano]

as in how much is too much .... ?

[CJ750]

I take it that you already have your new beast and you have ridden it and it has a steering wobble. If you tighten the wing nut arrangement on top of the triple clamp your wobble should go away. Mine is very stable in a forward direction but the first time that I reversed it I damn near turned the bloody thing inside out. Now before I engage the backwards cog I give the wing nut a tweek to tighten the steering and just hold on tighter, get into the shed and loosen the nut a little. After a couple of times it becomes accepted Chang practice. If your wobble is in a forward direction, jack the front up so that the wheel is off the ground. Spin the wheel and see if it runs true. Hope this helps,if not majic1@clear.net.nz. Cheers

[shano]

It is parked up in a workshop at work as I am about to build the new garage. Its forward wobble at slow speed which is a chang thing according to some of the sites I have visited but then again talking to an old guy with a truimph unit and sidecar he says its actually a sidecar issue that does it to any bike. ( He is apparently a sidecar veteran and full of hows and what not tos when riding a sidecar rig of any sort, works at British spares here in Upper Hutt) He also has worked on a chang but put a beemer motor in it. I may have to tighten the bearings as well and that can be seen done via the sites I have looked at.... I have been looking at these 2 sites ...

http://www.changjiangunlimited.com/tech.htm
http://aussiechangjiang.com/links%20page.html

been filling my head with excess info and tweaks but have only been getting fleeting moments of looking at the bike while its parked up at work .... I think I will have to check the charging system as the lights on the top of the headlamp are non working and could be why the previous owner got a new battery. That battery has discharged rather rapidly ( was only a 20ah ) I have forked out and bought a 28ah as required by the specs got a yuasa instead of the chinese version.

Yes so all in all a tinkerers bike

[theo]

Not any more have taken delivery of it

[Flip]

theo did you get the waiheke island CJ?

[jasonzc]

I do actually. It is quite funny to listen to them (2) slagging off the authorities in their country. They love it here because we dont have the level of corruption that they have to deal with on a daily basis. They have told me that if you dont have enough money you cant "buy" the services that we take for granted here in NZ. The comments that I have made have been uttered by my Chinese students.I have asked them if they have come here to learn skills that they will take back to China. They want to buy jandals and barbeques and never go back.Not all Chinese like living in China it seems.

You gotta realize too.. everythings getting better over there, less corruption, increasing. You can just "buy" your way into or out of things as easy these days. Bussiness is still based on relationships.. same as anywherelse, inc New Zealand. Much easy to get a deal if you know someone. Human rights are getting better too.. but still quite shocking in some instances .Regulations and political climate takes time to change, esp when u have a country over 1.6bil ppl.

anyways enough politics haha..

Those CJs are damn cool.... However they only go 80ks?
is that true?

[breakaway]

I read the whole first page of this thread, and am no wiser as to what this topic is about.

/goes on merry way

[Flip]

Those CJs are damn cool.... However they only go 80ks?
is that true?

Mine a 24HP side valve seems happy enough at 80kph, just went to the brass monkey from Christchurch on it. It was loaded up with all the gear and her indoors.

Arrived on the site and a big sports bike went over in the frozen mud right in front of me. Picked him up hopped on the bike and spent a few minutes doing donuts in the snow.

Mine is due a meeting with a porting tool in the near future, there are a still a few more HP hiding somewhere in my motor.

[theo]

theo did you get the waiheke island CJ?

Yes, maybe I need my head read. Looking now for any other kndred spirits. Sorry just new to this Kiwi Biker thinghy and replies may be slow. Theo

[Flip]

Yes you probably do need your head read.

My CJ is slow and relatively unreilyable but everytime I hop on it I have a great adventure and man does it attract attention.

I'm planning to get another in the near future probably a silver on silver bike to ride as a solo. Keep in touch with CJ750, he said you had been in contact recently.

I have send a friendship invite, once you OK it you can see my pics, there are a few CJ ones there.

[Oscar]

Why don't you guys get together with the Ural/Dnieper guys?

They be crazy bastids...http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=537020

[theo]

Yes tried to OK that friendship thing don't know if I pushed the right buttons though. Check with CJ750 for my email details if you like.

[Flip]

Yes tried to OK that friendship thing don't know if I pushed the right buttons though. Check with CJ750 for my email details if you like.

You did it right. You can look at my pics now.

Have just started a CJ group if anybody is interested.

[Clay]

Flip how do I find the CJ group, I'm new here, have a CJ and keen to meet up with others

[Bonez]

Flip how do I find the CJ group, I'm new here, have a CJ and keen to meet up with othershttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/group.php

Have a look under your profile. Should be an option to join groups.

[popelli]

Almost, but you're confusing two models there -- the R71 and the R72. The R71 (old 1930s design) the Germans gave willingly to the Soviets just prior to the war when they were still `buddies' -- gave it willingly because they already had the much better R72 almost done, which they were building because they felt the R71 was old hat and not quite up for Blitzkrieg etc. The Soviet version of the R71 was used for a while, then it got given to the Chinese as part of some communism-brotherhood thing they had, in the mid-late-50s.

Meanwhile, after WWII finished, that's when the Soviets pissed off with the R72, which turned into the Ural and those current Russian sidecar outfits. So the Ural and the CJ750s are from two different models -- very closely related though. Ural is the one to have, if you're fighting WWII I suppose.

there are a few more twists in this story as well at some time around 41/42 the yanks and the russians were quiote friendly and exchanged blueprints, the results of which are the Harley Davidson XA horizontally opposed shaft drive army bike which was a copy of the R71 complete with plunger rear suspension and some blatent copies of harley 45's being made in Russia

rummours are that Harley sold the dies etc for the XA to china after the war

and not only did BSA copy the DKW two stroke, so did harley and its from this model that the sportster tank as its now known was first unveiled to the public


one of my clients has just acquired a dkw two stroke complete with an auto union (read audi) badge on the rear guard

[Flip]

These were taken by Tranzalper on the Christchurch Wednesday night ride.

We went over the port leve to little river road.

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Purau+Port+Levy+Rd&daddr=little+river&geocode=FaS6Zf0dK-BMCg%3BFc-iY_0dqO1LCinBWTzxRTcybTH1K11k4kOFAA&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=-43.649243,172.819061&sspn=0.040741,0.109692&ie=UTF8&ll=-43.726452,172.813568&spn=0.162755,0.438766&z=11

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[Clay]

Thanks Flip I joined the CJ group. I like the look of your bike, what's its history? Any idea how many CJ's in the country?

[Flip]

I personally know of 8 at the moment. 9 when my silver one turns up. So I would say that there is about 20 or so around.

There was one I saw in Wellington at the Bikehoey, was that yours?

There is a black one around that was brought into the country with no papers so it would be very difficult to register.

I have the original civilian papers for mine but because I can't read Mandarin I have no idea what they say. All I can say is its side valve 24hp, made in the late 60's and was a army bike.

[Clay]

There was a black one on TM a month or so ago, he imported it a couple of years ago but never vinned or regd it. Maybe he's got no paper work?

[avgas]

What are they worth in China.
I *apparently* have an empty garage in Shanghai.
Was going to get one of these.....but a CJ sounds better.
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[Clay]

They're supposed to be worth scrap value in China but foreigners pay good money for them $US 2 - 3000 depending on what's been done to them. I think they're banned in Shanghai and Beijing they have a 1997 rule which only gives them 10 years registration at which point they should be scrapped. Apparently local registration is worth more than the bike.

From reading different websites there's lots of them on the road with fake plates and illegal registration.