Electric enduro bike from KTM

[FlangMasterJ]

Pretty cool.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/10/ktm-presents-electric-enduro.html

[oldskool]

The company claims that it has produced a quiet motorcycle prototype with up to 35 horsepower and the ability to run for 40 minutes on a lithium ion battery without recharging. http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/22/ktm-producing-off-road-electric-motorcycle/
That is awesome, if the production model does indeed put out 35hp/approx 26KW, I for one will definitely get one of these. This would indeed put the first KTM electric production off-road bike into legendary status. Most DIY electric bikes put out around 5KW so no point trying to do a MOD if KTM can market this beast at a competitive price.
:niceone:

[umka]

does anyone else think the rear tyre looks skinner than the front?

[xen]

Kickass, but production in 2 years.. hmm at least batteries should be way better by then.

[oldskool]

What a brave new after market world. Muffler companies going out of business for a start! PWM voltage controllers a plenty, water cooled, oil cooled, regenerative braking variants etc etc. Just like the Tobacco industry, all the suppliers would have to change production lines. Sooo much easier working in sterile electronic labs than a greasy workshop!! How awesome!!
I'll get to keep clean finger nails while I MOD my bike!

[barty5]

does anyone else think the rear tyre looks skinner than the front?

yes it dose but i guess being electric rear wheel cant aford to be to big and heavy

[Ktmboy]

Imagine that. At the start line.. Everyone primed for the flag, but wait no one has started their bike yet??? whats happening??

The flag drops and we are off:wari: LOL. No noise, just the purr of contact on contact:no:

Then after 30 minutes of cross country you pit. No fuel just a battery change.:laugh:

Fark me. What happens when you go through a puddle:eek:
Does the bike liven up?

[Danger]

I'm working on a kit right now to make it sound like a motorcycle. I'm testing riveting various grades of plastic type materials to the swingarm that run into the rear spokes, kind of like we did when we were kids by clipping cards etc to the frame and into the spokes so that they go brrr brrr brrr when your riding.
I think all four stroke riders should be made to ride these bikes instead.

[oldskool]

Be a great learners bike, never have to worry about stalling or starting it. ummm does it have electric start?

[secondfield]

Oh my god, the arrival of fag-land....

Electric damn dirt bikes...

You will have to pryse the renthal fatbars on my four'fitty from my cold dead hands before I willingly go to these....


I'm working on a kit right now to make it sound like a motorcycle. I'm testing riveting various grades of plastic type materials to the swingarm that run into the rear spokes, kind of like we did when we were kids by clipping cards etc to the frame and into the spokes so that they go brrr brrr brrr when your riding.

Hey Danger! I was one of those kids ..:Punk:

[honda_power]

petrol can go as high as you want, i will never, ever be seen on one of these

[noobi]

somehow i dont think an electric bike will ever be better than a two stroke coming on the power and yanking your arms out, or the sound of any bike in full song down the beach on the back wheel:first:

[oldskool]

petrol can go as high as you want, i will never, ever be seen on one of these
I remember when the Yammy TT600 blitzed me in '83. I thought it was liquid lightening. (I was on an XR250R at the time) Here I am stuck in a time warp with my XR but an electric super light dirtbike juicing out 35HP would be enuff to move me up to the next era.
I think this KTM Elektra will surprise yah. It will be revolutionary and if you want sounds then whack on a big bazooka subby on the rear! You could even mix the thumps in with your fav beats. There'll be AMPle power in the batts to power a measly 1200W subamp. A new wave of aftermarket accessories here we come woohoo. :niceone:

[kezzafish]

Gay. who'd be happy with a 40 min ride with 1 hr waits in between? brilliant idea and obviously great development has gone in for an amazing achievement but still not enough to change the industry although it will one day. I'm sure this is just the beginning

[oldskool]

Gay. who'd be happy with a 40 min ride with 1 hr waits in between?
Did it ever occur to you to have 2 batteries with one on charge while the other is being used?
But I know how you feel, I feel the same way about these new pimped up dirt bikes and the colourful space suits. :msn-wink:

[theblacksmith]

I suppose we could go nuclear- handy for the night-time rides with everyone glowing thro the forest.

[secondfield]

Did it ever occur to you to have 2 batteries with one on charge while the other is being used?

Yep, that'd be fun while your out on a 6 hour ride eh ...

Where can you charge it up out in the wop's? no way from your car or ute :confused:...

Youll need a 230v supply (rectified to DC) providing enough current to charge those puppies up.

A spare supply of batteries would come in handy ....looking at 120ah lithium ion battery possibly at about +1000$ each. Maybe buy six? ummmm yep :doh:

Those batteries are even more un-enviromentally fiendly than petroleum. You just cant toss em when there poked. Highly toxic They have be disposed of safely ... more cost ,,... and they dont last forever, especially in high current demand applications.

Maybe for mx use they would be fine, 3 batteries for 3 motos possibly. Estimated life span of a battery ridden four times a month till discharge then charged again (based on current technology) ~ 1 year until charge retention issues arise.

I still think theyr'e gay though. Must have a bit of a 'biker' mentaility ...

Mind you im a bathing ape and still smoke ciggarettes (when im in the shed so my missus doesn't see me).

[oldskool]

Don't get me wrong I think they are gay too but they are the future, and bi the time we've caught up and accepted it, we'll be so sucked dry with PC we'll be pasty white geldings following the sheep.

The manufacturers are leading us to believe LiPo batteries are green batteries. LiPos are claimed not to have a memory issue.

A Pro MotoX Team would spend far more than six grand for batteries in their pits.

The batteries would probably be rated for around 300 deep cycles? That's easily over 1 years worth of riding for the average weekend warrior.

A portable generator supplies 10amps does it not? The chargers for these machines would be designed to feed off a standard domestic single phase power supply.

You can still smoke your logs and shave your chest on this technology too and less likely to accidentally self combust doing it!

But the main thing is you'll be able to ride dirt within the city limits! Because the biggest issue with why our kind neighbourly folk are driving us away is the noise factor! This means less driving time to get to your fav track. Less mileage on your petrol driven wagon. Longer time spent at your fav hole. More spectators to watch you ride air etc etc

This has got to be good for the sport.

[barty5]

Don't get me wrong I think they are gay too but they are the future, and bi the time we've caught up and accepted it, we'll be so sucked dry with PC we'll be pasty white geldings following the sheep.

The manufacturers are leading us to believe LiPo batteries are green batteries. LiPos are claimed not to have a memory issue.

A Pro MotoX Team would spend far more than six grand for batteries in their pits.

The batteries would probably be rated for around 300 deep cycles? That's easily over 1 years worth of riding for the average weekend warrior.

A portable generator supplies 10amps does it not? The chargers for these machines would be designed to feed off a standard domestic single phase power supply.

You can still smoke your logs and shave your chest on this technology too and less likely to accidentally self combust doing it!

But the main thing is you'll be able to ride dirt within the city limits! Because the biggest issue with why our kind neighbourly folk are driving us away is the noise factor! This means less driving time to get to your fav track. Less mileage on your petrol driven wagon. Longer time spent at your fav hole. More spectators to watch you ride air etc etc

This has got to be good for the sport.

yeh yeh yeh but its just so gay

[jonbuoy]

Perfect for trial riding, gay until they start outperforming petrol engines.

[oldskool]

yeh yeh yeh but its just so gay
It's okay barty, you'll get over it, come on out of the closet :doctor::spanking:

[oldskool]

If you have doubts check this link out and look at some of the videos in the forest.
This is only a electric BMX but it moves ghostly quick. Imagine a huuge step up from 4HP to 35HP
This is not a gay looking bike, it looks pretty staunch.


The silent, smooth power delivery and high torque of an electric motor is something that has to be seen or felt to be appreciated.

Running costs hover around 0.5 cents/kilometer and at the same time the drive system requires next to no maintenance for up to 1500 charges.

Put simply this means that you can reach speeds of up to 70-80km/h (without pedaling) and power up some of the steepest hills with little or no effort and in complete silence..... and you never have to get your hands dirty trying to fix it.

[secondfield]

A portable generator supplies 10amps does it not? The chargers for these machines would be designed to feed off a standard domestic single phase power supply.

Terrific, the roar of generators around the pits .. and silent bikes on the tracks.

Progress:doh:

[oldskool]

Biker chicks can fuel the logs...or compete against the noise. Makes a change!:gob:

[DELLORTO]

well its got the same torque as a '08 kx450....thats a start

[oldskool]

well its got the same torque as a '08 kx450....thats a start
Careful Dellorto, you'll have the HoMoPhoBics slagging that off too!!:chase:

[kezzafish]

it's a gay start, and how's it perfect for trail riding? i'd have to had taken 10 batteries with me for my ride on sunday. Definately the future but right here right now..... it's gay. imagine what those extortionate austrian cunts charge for parts.

Oh... and that bmx looks camp

[notch]

Mmmm completely linear power delivery. Perfect powerslides every time. You could have the throttle setup for controlling torque, power or RPM. You could even install a horizontal pozition sensor that could balance the front end in the air for hours.
Yeah! a mono' button... bring it on...

[oldskool]

You could even install a horizontal pozition sensor that could balance the front end in the air for hours
oh yeah, gyro stabilised mono's, luv it!!

[oldskool]

it's a gay start, and how's it perfect for trail riding?
I forgive yah for riding a DR :spanking:

[jonbuoy]

it's a gay start, and how's it perfect for trail riding? i'd have to had taken 10 batteries with me for my ride on sunday. Definately the future but right here right now..... it's gay. imagine what those extortionate austrian cunts charge for parts.

Oh... and that bmx looks camp

I meant trials like this, not trail riding.

trails.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTEAHT6Auo

[kezzafish]

Ah trIAls, sorry, i misread

[kezzafish]

you might as well sell your dirtbike and buy a playstation then reserve your weekends to play it on mute

[B0000M]

my gripe with electric bikes / cars / whatever is this

the country allready has difficulty generating enough power for everyone to run their household items on.

if you have a bike which is running at an average of 10kw, which runs for 40 minutes, that would mean to charge it over an hour, you would need roughly 7kw of power to run it.

thats like running 3 big oil heaters on full tit, at the same time for an hour.

so what you say?

say we decide to get battery powered cars using the same techinque - and say you use 40kw on average of power in your car, and you want to drive for an hour. - where the fuck are you going to get 40kw worth of power from?

then what if everyone down your street drives one of these 'brilliant' 'clean green' inventions

100 people, charging their car at say 20kw = 2000KW

am i the only one that sees the problem here??? no country's power grid would be up to powering cars.

the best solution: PETROL & DIESEL.

problem solved.

[oldskool]

the best solution: PETROL & DIESEL.
yeah and then theres always Bio-fuel, that may prolong the eventual extinction of petrol bikes. I wonder if the bi-fuel companies will give you the option to choose designer fragrances coming from your exhaust too! I'd choose Lynx! :rolleyes:

[notch]

Bio fuel blows because half the forests in world are being chopped for crops that produce biofuel. It's the same reason Food is expensive at the moment, partly because famers have figured out they can make more money from fuel than food.

I heard a while back that it takes 0.8 litres of petrol to make 1 litre of biofuel... not really sustainable.

The answer is nuclear power. :sick:

[oldskool]

The answer is nuclear power.
oooh yeah! That'll give a justifiable reason for all these radioactive spacesuits I see zipping around the tracks! :Pokey:

[cheese]

I think that its pretty cool. They would be using somethign like a BLDC motor that put out a good ammount of power for the size and running Lithium batteries you would have a very light set up. I'd be up for one. I think that given some time that these bikes will be competing in thier own clases.

[oldskool]

They would be using somethign like a BLDC motor
Yeah I can see it now, she's just put the Gentle Annie on spin cycle and whisper quiet, spins around the forest strips him clean of his underwear. A Fisher & Paykel powered KTM!

[CookMySock]

Sounds dangerous. If the noise police see that quiet bike, they will stand on everyone until there are no petrol bikes allowed any more. Well, maybe not, but you get my drift.. I reckon it will be the thin edge of the wedge.

Steve

[dammad1]

Sounds dangerous. If the noise police see that quiet bike, they will stand on everyone until there are no petrol bikes allowed any more. Well, maybe not, but you get my drift.. I reckon it will be the thin edge of the wedge.

Steve

Nah they will find something else to complain about, maybe the effects of all the extra magnetic fields affecting there peace and tranquility.

[oldskool]

Nah they will find something else to complain about, maybe the effects of all the extra magnetic fields affecting there peace and tranquility.
SHHH you'll give them ideas.

[jonbuoy]

You could ride and stunt around your section till the wee hours and no one would complain :eek:

[A&R]

Imagine that. At the start line.. Everyone primed for the flag, but wait no one has started their bike yet??? whats happening??

The flag drops and we are off:wari: LOL. No noise, just the purr of contact on contact:no:

Then after 30 minutes of cross country you pit. No fuel just a battery change.:laugh:

Fark me. What happens when you go through a puddle:eek:
Does the bike liven up?


HA....Ha... you just get a bloody big electric shock!!!!

[secondfield]

Yeah to get equivalent internal combustion performance out of an electric motor you are going to need batteries that can consistently deliver 800-1000 AMPS!
Short that lot out by drowning your bike (which would bypass any fuses anyway) and you'd most likey weld your knackers to the frame.... once the seat melts through in about 500 milliseconds.. :bye: :bye: codpiece :shit:

[cheese]

I think that they would have the thing sealed! LOL

I was talking to a guy today adn they have 27hp Electric RC planes that will fly for around 10 mins flat out, but the batteries get so hot that they boil and they have to rest for 8 hours! LOL

[oldskool]

yeah there are dangers, just like a loose spark near a leaking petrol line.
cheese is right tho, there'll be preventions in place, else KTM will be up for some huge claims dodgings.

Think horse versus car, all the ludites and technophobes dissed the automobile. Same goes here.

[takitimu]

Think horse versus car, all the ludites and technophobes dissed the automobile. Same goes here.

Or the idea of a 4/ dirt bike even :), my suspicion is Li-Ion is not going to be the battery technology to make it happen, but assuming there is a better one coming, the 2nd generation could easily be compelling, if a 4/ is smoother power with low end torque an electric dirt bike will have a positively electrifying bottom end.

The only thing I reckon stopping it will be $60 a barrel oil, because I reckon it'll require the volume/r&d of car battery manufacturing.

[oldskool]

my suspicion is Li-Ion is not going to be the battery technology to make it happen,
Whatever happened to the supercapacitor line of thought? Virtually instant charging so there would be no waiting an hour for a recharge. That had some potential and you could DIY a primitive cell with epoxy resin and metal shavings. So the technology isn't rocker science except for the growing of the tubular carbon rods they use in the current iterations of the development.