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[Dargor]

Looks like some noise police want to make it law that we have to register our cell phones. This would be but a small help to their police work and would harm our freedom.

This wouldn't help as anyone truly wanting to hide stuff will always find a way. Encryption, homing pigeons, etc.

This would cause unnecessary hassle when buying a phone.

[Dave Lobster]

How many Donald Ducks and Homer Simpsons will there be?

[tri boy]

If it helps stop grims stealing bikes/home invasion/fencing stolen goods etc, I'm all for it.
Nothing to hide, no problem.

[Subike]

will not stop many crims, they will just use false id to reg phone or use a stolen one. It reeks of yet another invasion of our privacy.

[Usarka]

Cool, then we'll let the cops put up CCTV cameras everwhere, and give them the power to monitor all our emails and phone calls.

After all if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear.........

[Solo]

Why noy just chip evryone at birth and be done with it :Police:

[slimjim]

fuck yea........ "not"....nope blue gang can go and get fit..."get out of your office and do some good old leg work.....pricks....

[R6_kid]

Cool, then we'll let the cops put up CCTV cameras everwhere, and give them the power to monitor all our emails and phone calls.

After all if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear.........

For you own sake, i suggest you do not go and watch the movie 'Eagle Eye'

[Usarka]

For you own sake, i suggest you do not go and watch the movie 'Eagle Eye'

Maybe my dripping sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I thought....... :innocent:

Is it any good? Renditions not too bad either....

[R6_kid]

Maybe my dripping sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I thought....... :innocent:

Is it any good? Renditions not too bad either....

it's pretty much exactly what you said with a centralised (and autonomous) computer that controls it all in order protect the 'greater good'... ends up killing people etc etc, turning everyday citizens into 'terrorists' in order to save the president.

[Swoop]

The donut muncher's are now too fat and lazy to use the technology available to them to track down the problem phones. Oh dear.

If they put cellphone blockers in all the jails, half of the problem would go away.

I for one will not be participating in this further encroachment into an individual's rights to do as they please, without Big Brother looking over your shoulder 24hrs per day.

Signed: D. Duck, of no fixed abode.

[wysper]

Unfortunately pretty much everything we do these days leaves an electronic foot print.

Eftpos
Banking
Credit Cards
Library Cards (this one is for getting BOOKS out)
Internet
Video Cards
Probably can track sky so what you watch etc
Passports
IRD
etc

Hard to be fly beneath the radar these days.
OOOOO I shouldn't of said that.....

[davereid]

Its necessary to know who is calling whom... before there is much point in recording the calls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1035361/Big-Brother-database-recording-calls-texts-e-mails-ruin-British-way-life.html

[imdying]

If it helps stop grims stealing bikes/home invasion/fencing stolen goods etc, I'm all for it.
Nothing to hide, no problem.Are you quite sure that that's the stance you want to take on such matters?

I hear that they're going to implement GPS trackers on all vehicles, with an RFID linking your license and bank account to the vehicle. You speed, you get debited. Not speeding, no problem... slippery slope given the reach that clutch of technology can now have.

Subike is on to it though... crims will just steal more phones than they do now.

[vifferman]

Check out The Traveler (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1788164#post1788164).

[tri boy]

Are you quite sure that that's the stance you want to take on such matters?

I hear that they're going to implement GPS trackers on all vehicles, with an RFID linking your license and bank account to the vehicle. You speed, you get debited. Not speeding, no problem... slippery slope given the reach that clutch of technology can now have.


If speeding/ auto debit is involved, (which I don't believe it ever will be), then I will protest.
But, by registering phones, it means murderers, and serious grims are more easily tracked then i'm for it. Think about whether the law change could help get someones daughter's murderer/rapist locked up. Coppers, for all their faults are in the job to help keep society balanced. Otherwise they would be politicians or used car salesmen. MHO

[alanzs]

Cool, then we'll let the cops put up CCTV cameras everwhere, and give them the power to monitor all our emails and phone calls.

After all if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear.........

They already do that... :yes:

[Clockwork]

I suspect its as much about using cell-phone records to track suspect's movements.

Personally, I don't like this sort of thing. Sure, I have nothing to hide now given our nice benevolent Governement an' all but I guess thats what pre-communist Russians and pre-nazi Germans would have told themselves too.

[jrandom]

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[imdying]

If speeding/ auto debit is involved, (which I don't believe it ever will be), then I will protest.
But, by registering phones, it means murderers, and serious grims are more easily tracked then i'm for it. Think about whether the law change could help get someones daughter's murderer/rapist locked up. Coppers, for all their faults are in the job to help keep society balanced. Otherwise they would be politicians or used car salesmen. MHOOh my goodness, it's almost as if you believe that! :shit: You're on the right side of the law now... but perhaps you're a dedicated hunter, the law passes that outlaws guns... suddenly you're a person of interest, complete with your own little tracking device.

[tri boy]

It still wouldn't bother me. Just another bunch of people bothering me, asking stupid Q's and generally be a pain through my day. At least they should be able to be annoying in an efficient manner.
And if they finally become too much of an annoyance, then i'll break out one of my huge pongy farts, and they will never bother me again.
"Person of interest"? me?, f**k they must be bored.

[Ixion]

If speeding/ auto debit is involved, (which I don't believe it ever will be), then I will protest.
But, by registering phones, it means murderers, and serious grims are more easily tracked then i'm for it. Think about whether the law change could help get someones daughter's murderer/rapist locked up. Coppers, for all their faults are in the job to help keep society balanced. Otherwise they would be politicians or used car salesmen. MHO

But do you really think that murders and rapists and such would have any problem evading any such rule? After all, cell phones are eminently stealable, eminently saleable.

So, for that to work, there would need not only to be an ID process at the time of purchase new, but a registration process to keep track of owners right through life. Just like a bike. So you'd have to have a phone registration, and a phone change of ownership. And it would all have to be kept up to date each year. Otherwise , anyone who didn't want to be traced would just buy a used phone on Trademe or down the pub.

And you can bet that's not going to come free, so there'd be some sort of registration fee. And then there'd need to be some sort of monitoring or else everyone would ignore it. So would we have random stops of phone users to ask them to produce their phone rego ?

But , I seem to have heard that crooks manage to drive round in cars that have evaded all that .So phones shouldn't be much problem to them. It'd only be the ordinary, law abiding people that would get caught up in it .

[scorpious]

The biggest problem that I see is that they'll make it a law to register your phone but will charge you to do it. Like registering my bike.
Thats really going to fuck me off!!!!

[tri boy]

Murder's/rapists have dumb arse accomplices that will, an do screw it up for them. (how else could plod sort the goodies from the baddies).
It's just another law that might help soceity, but really at the end of the day, they (the law makers/enforcers) will do whatever they think is required.
Humor them, and give them the law. We have many KBers that love raving about how they break road rules. Give them one more to wank on about.:msn-wink:

[Dave Lobster]

But, by registering phones, it means murderers, and serious grims are more easily tracked then i'm for it.

Nonsense. They'll just not use phones at all. Then the police wont be able to trace them at all..

[Dargor]

If speeding/ auto debit is involved, (which I don't believe it ever will be), then I will protest.
But, by registering phones, it means murderers, and serious grims are more easily tracked then i'm for it. Think about whether the law change could help get someones daughter's murderer/rapist locked up. Coppers, for all their faults are in the job to help keep society balanced. Otherwise they would be politicians or used car salesmen. MHO

But your already a murderer, remember speeding kills (we all know you do it)[/sarcasm]. That's the argument that would be made to evolve such a law.



Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile. (don't give them anything)

[Dargor]

In slightly related news, A woman sent a threatining text message. That private message is now known to whole world. Private messages magicaly become public if you take vodafone store workers hostage with an air rifle.

[Dave Lobster]

In slightly related news, A woman sent a threatining text message. That private message is now known to whole world. Private messages magicaly become public if you take vodafone store workers hostage with an air rifle.

Who released it? The police? Vodafone? The government? Fair Go?

Or.. someone that got their hands on a phone she'd sent a message to?

If the latter.. there's not much that changing the law around prepay phones would do to affect that.

[Dino]

Waist of time, It'll be just like the tight firearms license rules has stopped all criminals having guns, yea right.