Why I won't be voting for the Green Party

[Forest]

I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/the_greens_banned_list.html) illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence

[Murray]

With them in charge we would be a ban nana republic

[sAsLEX]

Ban coal mining



We don't need steel........


Hey lets return to the Bronze age!

[vifferman]

We don't need steel........


Hey lets return to the Bronze age!
No, making bronze requires too much energy.
I suspect the Greens would be happy if we returned to pre-stone age technology.
As long as we didn't burn anything. So make that "before we discovered fire".

In fact, if you look at the ultimate root of Greenie thought, it's that humans are fucking over the earth, and it would be a good thing if we were eradicated.

[Magua]

How many of those are actually true?

For example, Ban landfills. Do they actually have a policy completely against landfills or more policy in favour of recycling.

Same with the motorway banning. A ban or just a focus on public transport?

[mister.koz]

....
In fact, if you look at the ultimate root of Greenie thought, it's that humans are fucking over the earth, and it would be a good thing if we were eradicated.

They have some good ideas but the application of their solutions is a little strong.

I mean "limit violent child abuse" -> "ban all smacking of any kind including verbal dissemination" might be taking that banner a little too far y'know

[scracha]

Fark, had they not said they'd side with Labour i'd vote for them in a heartbeat.

[Indiana_Jones]

How many of those are actually true?

For example, Ban landfills. Do they actually have a policy completely against landfills or more policy in favour of recycling.

Same with the motorway banning. A ban or just a focus on public transport?

Shut it hippie lover and just bash the greens!

-Indy

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Shit, no ban on panties for hot women. My vote is going elsewhere...

[Forest]

How many of those are actually true?

For example, Ban landfills. Do they actually have a policy completely against landfills or more policy in favour of recycling.

Waste Free New Zealand Policy (http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/waste)

Landfills

The Green Party will:
Phase out the use of landfills by:

a. ensuring that local authority waste management plans set out a clear vision for the phasing out of landfills including:
1. promoting and implementing the source separation of waste into streams as an essential part of the transition from landfill dependency to resource reduction and renewal;
2. establishing sorting/recycling/resource recovery centres;
3. setting landfill acceptance criteria for hazardous waste (until national standards are set);

b. requiring user charges to reflect the full social & environmental, as well as economic and capital costs of maintaining landfills;

c. establish financial incentives for reducing waste to landfill, including investigation into establishing a national levy on waste to landfill in order to help fund waste reduction initiatives;

d. investigating ways that operators of landfills and incinerators can be held responsible for the long term environmental effects of their facilities.


Same with the motorway banning. A ban or just a focus on public transport?

Transport Policy (http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/transport)

2. Land Transport Planning and Funding

The Green Party will work to:

Pass the Climate Change (Transport Funding) Bill to rebalance expenditure from the National Land Transport Fund, over five years, towards support for sustainable transport solutions (such as public transport, rail freight, coastal shipping, active modes and travel demand management) to redress the chronic lack of investment in this area, funded through a moratorium on major new urban motorways and highways.

[Swoop]

I remember the good ole' days when hippys were spat at and told to "get a fucking haircut and a job!".

Now they have risen above their station in life and need to be culled like rabbits.

[Indiana_Jones]

I remember the good ole' days when hippys were spat at and told to "get a fucking haircut and a job!".

Now they have risen above their station in life and need to be culled like rabbits.

Hear hear!

Kill the fuckers! (said in a Brian Blessed voice) :2guns:

-Indy

[Magua]

The Green Party will:
Phase out the use of landfills by:


Phase out =/= ban, but I'm just being a pedant. However I'm not in favour of nanny state policies.

[Forest]

Phase out =/= ban, but I'm just being a pedant. However I'm not in favour of nanny state policies.

I entirely agree with you.

However I am fascinated that the Green Party policies are defined not by what the party wants, but rather what the party wants to eliminate.

[sAsLEX]

I entirely agree with you.

However I am fascinated that the Green Party policies are defined not by what the party wants, but rather what the party wants to eliminate.

Kind of like Labours +ve policy statements...... oh shit all I hear about is how the president of Labour is in Australia digging up dirt on Key from the 80s....... who the fuck cares!

[CookMySock]

Its all very good to say they WANT to do all that stuff, but if they ACTUALLY got to do it, I think they would be up against quite a few more hurdles than they thought.

Steve

[alanzs]

I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/the_greens_banned_list.html) illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence


I am still undecided. If there was just one more reason I'd be convinced... :laugh:

[Manxman]

I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/the_greens_banned_list.html) illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence

Is that all? I honestly thought the list would be much longer when I read the thread title.:yes:

Oh wait, if they get into bed with Labour after the election, it will be.:innocent:

[MarkH]

God damn sandal wearing, tree hugging, dolphin loving hippies.

[rainman]

In fact, if you look at the ultimate root of Greenie thought, it's that humans are fucking over the earth, and it would be a good thing if we were eradicated.

And, in many cases, they're right! :devil2:

[puddytat]

I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/the_greens_banned_list.html) illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence

Makes sense to me....:doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doo bey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doobe y::doobey:

[sAsLEX]

I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/the_greens_banned_list.html) illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence

hmmm does everyone need to quote the whole first post?

[Forest]

Makes sense to me....:doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doo bey::doobey::doobey::doobey::doobey:

Somewhat ironically that's the one thing that they don't want to ban. :lol:

They want to ban pies and soft drinks, but legalise pot. :oi-grr:

[alanzs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest View Post
I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence
hmmm does everyone need to quote the whole first post?


hmmm does everyone need to quote the whole first post?

It adds emphasis to the response... :devil2:

[geoffm]

They also want to ban guns as well, so any hunters out there, enjoy it while you can.

[Trouser]

The greens really grind my gears but, jesus, I agree with about 80% of that.

I'm so conflicted right now. Aaargh.

[sAsLEX]

They also want to ban guns as well, so any hunters out there, enjoy it while you can.

Out of my cold dead hands.


But I can always play with them at work....... or will they have an unarmed Defence Force...... oh god dont let them get in!

[The Pastor]

A vote for the greens is a vote for communism

[sAsLEX]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest View Post
I have some sympathy for the general principles that the Green Party stands for.

However I cannot stand the patronising and controlling policies that they're advocating. As this post illustrates, they're possibly the worst offender when it comes to nanny-state politics.

According to their official policy releases, here is the list of things that they want to ban in New Zealand:

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the further holding of marine mammals in captivity except as part of an approved threatened species recovery strategy
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban any additional use of coal for energy
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban further large hydro plants
Ban nuclear power
Ban further thermal generation
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the disposal of recyclable materials at landfills
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban all food and drink advertisements on TV if they do not meet criteria for nutritious food
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that denies climate change!!
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in environmentally damaging oil extraction or gold mining
Ban non UN sanctioned military involvement (so China and Russia gets to veto all NZ engagements)
Ban NZ from military treaties which are based on the right to self defence
Ban NZers from serving as mercenaries
Ban new casinos
Allow existing casinos to be banned
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new buildings that do not confirm to sustainable building principles
Ban migrants who do not undertake Treaty of Waitangi education programmes
Ban new prisons
Ban semi-automatic weapons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban ocean mineral extractions within the EEZ
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban funding of PTEs that compete with public tertiary institutes
Ban the importation of goods and services that do not meet quality and environmental certification standards in production, lifecycle analysis, and eco-labelling
Ban goods that do not meet quality and sustainability standards for goods which are produced and/or sold in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Ban new urban highways or motorways
Ban private toll roads
Ban import of vehicles more than seven years old unless they meet emission standards
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability and ease of recycling
Ban landfills
Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban violent TV programmes until after 10 pm
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban Urban Sprawl
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban further corporate farming
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the transport by sea of farm animals, for more than 24 hours
Ban crates for sows
Ban battery cages for hens
Ban factory farming of animals
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban animal testing where animals suffer, even if of benefit to humans
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban docking of dogs tails
Ban intrusive animal experimentation as a teaching method in all educational institutions
Ban smacking
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban alcohol advertising on TV and radio
Ban coal mining
Ban the export of indigenous logs and chips
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban the establishment of mustelid farms
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban new houses without water saving measures
Ban programmes on TVNZ with gratuitous violence
hmmm does everyone need to quote the whole first post?



It adds emphasis to the response... :devil2:


ohh sweeeeet

[Indiana_Jones]

Out of my cold dead hands.

What he said.

-Indy

[short-circuit]

A vote for the greens is a vote for communism

Yeah and what the fucks wrong with that?

The facists say "Time for a change"...I'm inclined to agree:yes:

[The Pastor]

Yeah and what the fucks wrong with that?

The facists say "Time for a change"...I'm inclined to agree:yes:
nothing, if you dont like anything, and love doing nothing.

[puddytat]

A vote for the greens is a vote for communism

About as much as voting for Facism , if you vote for The Nats,Rodney or Winston....
Its hard being green, ask Kermit.

[caesius]

That list is from the well known right wing site site kiwiblog that will do anything to bash the left wing including distort the truth.

I would argue that this "ban" list should be taken with a grain of salt. Why? Well from the first banned item to be looked into "BAN LANDFILLS", turned out to be a more palatable "phasing out of landfills" - hardly likely landfills would be gone unless we had another means of disposal. Good example of the one-sided war of kiwiblog versus truth.


They also want to ban guns as well, so any hunters out there, enjoy it while you can.
All I can see on the list is ban semi-automatic weapons.

[Forest]

All I can see on the list is ban semi-automatic weapons.

Why do you think civilians should be banned from owning semi-automatic weapons?

[Mully]

Why do you think civilians should be banned from owning semi-automatic weapons?

Because when we get sick of the greens, they want to make sure we don't have too many weapons lying around.

The banning of fuel guzzling SUVs (Hooray!!) is a short step to banning any motorcycle with an engine bigger than 500cc (Boo!!).

I'd like to see a congestion charge to get big vehicles (mainly SUVs) off the motorways (especially in peak time), i.e.

Bike/Scooter: Free
Car: $3/trip (exc couriers)
Van/SUV: $5/trip

[The Pastor]

Because when we get sick of the greens, they want to make sure we don't have too many weapons lying around.

The banning of fuel guzzling SUVs (Hooray!!) is a short step to banning any motorcycle with an engine bigger than 500cc (Boo!!).

I'd like to see a congestion charge to get big vehicles (mainly SUVs) off the motorways (especially in peak time), i.e.

Bike/Scooter: Free
Car: $3/trip (exc couriers)
Van/SUV: $5/trip

your an idiot, a suv doesn't take up much more room length and width wise that a car or a van. taxing them is going to solve nothing. all you are going to do it tax farmers and large families. smart.

Banning semi auto guns, because a lever action isn't just as fast aye? moronic comment from a moronic person. But semis are really bad because they are used in crime. Yes NZ has a very large amount of semi automatic gun crime. Oh wait no it doesn't.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the action is, when its pointed at you dose it.

Not even taking into consideration the 100's of thousands of semi autos in NZ, what about 10's of thousands of fully automatic wepons in nz? Better ban those too aye. Oh yeah pistols, we dont have strong enough laws on those - better ban them. Damn, better ban the ammo and knifes too. Shit better ban the home loaders from making there own ammo!

After all that banning, whats the result going to be? well all the criminals i know are stand up guys so if the law says they cant own a gun, they will comply with the law - they are only into murder and theft aye not gun crime!

Man i love it when everyone is treated like a criminal. especially when its not going to change a damn thing.

Heck, lets ban all firearms in NZ all 2 million of them. (conservative guess)

[MisterD]

That list is from the well known right wing site site kiwiblog that will do anything to bash the left wing including distort the truth.


Yeah, whatever. The "other KB" is the No 1 political blog in the country because it provides the most intelligent and accurate information and discussion. It's is frankly, the only blog that is ever prepared to give credit to "the other side".

Anyhoo, the list is what might be termed a charicature - a humerous exaggeration to underline a basic truth. Your point above might have more credibility if the source had been Whaleoil.

In summary: Don't vote for the Watermelons.:niceone:

[vifferman]

The greens really grind my gears but, jesus, I agree with about 80% of that.
:laugh:





:confused:
Wait - you're not serious, are you?
:weird:

[MarkH]

The greens really grind my gears but, jesus, I agree with about 80% of that.

Yeah, but if they were the government you would also get the 20% that is outright fuckin' stupid!

A lot of what's on the list is bad stuff that sensible people would try to avoid/cut down/whatever, but do we need the nanny state to ban it?

There is plenty of stuff I have no problem with, but:
I think consumers should be able to decide if they are comfortable with eating GE food or not - there is absolutely NO evidence of any danger (well, no more danger than non GE foods) for the commercially available GE foods.
I think consumers should be able to decide if they want to eat junk food, I don't believe eating high fat KFC once every 3 months or so will hurt me.

I also think we should consider nuclear power as it is environmentally friendly and produces much more power than solar or wind.

There - that should upset the hippies!

[Trouser]

Im certainly not going to vote for the fuckers but there are a few points I agree with.

Ban fizzy drinks from schools
Ban fuel inefficient vehicles
Ban all gaming machines in pubs
Ban the GCSB
Ban feeding of antibiotics to animals that are not sick
Ban companies that do not comply with a Code of Corporate Responsibility
Ban ACC from investing in enterprises that provide products or services that significantly increase rates of injury or illness or otherwise have significant adverse social or environmental effects
Ban commercial Genetic Engineering trials
Ban field testing on production of GE food
Ban import of GE food
Ban non citizens/residents from owning land
Ban sale of high country farms to NZers who do not live in NZ at least 185 days a year
Ban the use of mechanically recovered meat in the food chain
Ban the use of the ground-up remains of sheep and cows as stock feed
Ban cloning of animals
Ban use of animals in GE
Ban GE animal food
Ban advertising during children’s programmes
Ban the use of bio-accumulative and persistent poisons
Ban new exploration, prospecting and mining on conservation land and reserves
Ban mining activities when rare and endemic species are found to present on the mining site
Ban the trading conservation land for other land to facilitate extractive activities on.
Ban the direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals
Ban sale of chips and lollies on school property
Ban fixed electricity charges
Ban private water management
Ban imported vehicles over seven years old
Ban the export of hazardous waste to non OECD countries
Ban funding of health services by companies that sell unhealthy food (so McDonalds could not fund services for young cancer sufferers)
Ban healthcare organizations from selling unhealthy food or drink
Ban advertising of unhealthy food until after 8.30 pm
Ban the use of antibiotics as sprays on crops
Ban food irradiation within NZ
Ban irradiated food imports
Ban growth hormones for animals
Ban crown agency investments in any entity that is involved in tobacco
Ban new casinos
Ban promotion of Internet gambling
Ban advertising of unhealthy food to children
Ban cellphone towers within 300 metres of homes
Ban new prisons
Ban genetic mixing between specieis
Ban limited liability companies by making owners responsible for liability of products
Ban private toll roads
Ban imported goods that do not meet standards for durability

Not quite %80.

Here come the flames.

[Murray]

I want a government that bans banning!!! Or is that banal ideology???

[MisterD]

I want a government that bans banning!!! Or is that banal ideology???

Just banning the Green party and ditching the MMP system that allows such nutters so much influence would be a start.

[k14]

I think all that needs to be told to people is this fact right here (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501512)


I see the Greens won some advertising accolade over the weekend for their billboards. As a mother that they should be allowed to prostitute images of children to further their own political aims in this way makes me completely sick.

This is the Greens real voting record on issues that directly effect NZ’s children.

2003: P (Methamphetamine) reclassified as a Class A drug – only the Greens opposed
2006: Opposed an increase to the Drinking Age
2005: Intentional Possession of Child Pornography -Only the Greens opposed the maximum penalty being 5 years – wanted it lower at 2 years
2007: Want to decriminalise Marijuana
SOFT ON THE REAL CAUSES OF CHILD ABUSE YET THEY WANT TO CRIMINALISE PARENTS WHO GIVE THEIR KIDS A SMACK

The Greens are absolute hypocrites because if they weren’t they would also oppose abortion on the same grounds they oppose smacking

“Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. . . . the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child . . . it portrays the child as, an intrusion and an inconvenience ”

Quotes by Mother Teresa of Calcutta

Because unlike the Greens, Mother Teresa’s actions spoke louder than her words.

Why on earth would they oppose increasing the max prison sentence for child porn?? I cannot understand why anyone with a level head would vote for them. All of the people that do are just voting for the name of the party and the logo, nothing to do with policy. How on earth do you get through to someone like that?? :2guns:

[Mully]

your an idiot, a suv doesn't take up much more room length and width wise that a car or a van. taxing them is going to solve nothing. all you are going to do it tax farmers and large families. smart.


How many farmers are on the motorway system at peak time?? Don't they have better things to do, like planting crops and clubbing sheep and whatnot?

[Finn]

Even though I'm a strong believer that there shouldn't be a Green Party in Government, when one compares Green parties in say Europe, most of them come off and being reasonably intelligent and even a small percentage of their policies actually work. However, as one would expect, the Green party in NZ is an embarrassment. Their policies are a joke and they're all butt ugly losers.

[k14]

Even though I'm a strong believer that there shouldn't be a Green Party in Government, when one compares Green parties in say Europe, most of them come off and being reasonably intelligent and even a small percentage of their policies actually work. However, as one would expect, the Green party in NZ is an embarrassment. Their policies are a joke and they're all butt ugly losers.
Come on finn, surely you've had some late night dreams about Bradford or Fitzsimons?? :sick:

[Murray]

Do they shave their armpits or is that part of banning reforestation?????

[Finn]

Come on finn, surely you've had some late night dreams about Bradford or Fitzsimons?? :sick:

Of course I do. They involve duct tape, a shovel and a big bag of lime.

[chrisso]

Fuck me I thought the Greens were bad here

[short-circuit]

Just banning the Green party and ditching the MMP system that allows such nutters so much influence would be a start.


Yeah! Who needs democracy eh Mussolini?

[short-circuit]

Even though I'm a strong believer that there shouldn't be a Green Party in Government


Another rightwinger reveals his commitment to democracy

[imdying]

MMP... I'm not sure how having a minority party effectively calling the shots and deciding who's in government is still a democracy?

[Mully]

"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Democracy just doesn't work."
Kent Brockman, The Simpsons

[short-circuit]

MMP... I'm not sure how having a minority party effectively calling the shots and deciding who's in government is still a democracy?

Do some research on how C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N governments work all over the world...

Then compare with how democratic the old first past the post was when one party like national could govern on the strength it's usual 30% support base.

Face it that's their lot here 30% and fuck all friends - except Act, Roger, Mugabe, Mussolini oh and a guy called Adolf ha ha ha

[short-circuit]

I thought right wingers like "competition" and "choice"...hmmm Coke (National) or Pepsi (Labour).

[MisterD]

Yeah! Who needs democracy eh Mussolini?

Democracy is where parties elected by a big chuck of the electorate are held to ransom by fringe-group nutters? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

List MPs should be allocated proportionally on top of the electorate seats, giving more influence to members who actually have a direct mandate from their constituencies - dunno what that system's called, some wonk will no doubt inform us.

[MisterD]

Face it that's their lot here 30% and fuck all friends - except Act, Roger, Mugabe, Mussolini oh and a guy called Adolf ha ha ha

...yes, and the party responsible for shutting down dissenting opinion for the whole of election year is...?

[short-circuit]

Democracy is where parties elected by a big chuck of the electorate are held to ransom by fringe-group nutters? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

List MPs should be allocated proportionally on top of the electorate seats, giving more influence to members who actually have a direct mandate from their constituencies - dunno what that system's called, some wonk will no doubt inform us.


I guess it will be labour's perogative whether they enlist support from certain minor parties accepting that they will also have policies they want to advance (on behalf of the people that voted for them)...

too bad National will have neither the numbers nor any credible coalition partners to do just that...what do you have to do to get the Torys in these days? More air time to Guyon on one? Duncan on three? Give away the Dominion Post/NZ Herald? Stop immigration? Execute foreigners or the poor?

[sAsLEX]

...yes, and the party responsible for shutting down dissenting opinion for the whole of election year is...?

I see Obama was allowed to spend 9mil on one add, cant do that here.......

[short-circuit]

...yes, and the party responsible for shutting down dissenting opinion for the whole of election year is...?

Dunno...who ever it is will be utilising the well financed and long established :rofl:"left wing":rofl: media.

Cause we're all dumb enough to believe that Labour is even close to being a left wing party and National actually has a "dissenting opinion"

[scorpious]

good on them, most of those things need to be banned!!!

[MisterD]

Dunno...who ever it is will be utilising the well financed and long established :rofl:"left wing":rofl: media.

Cause we're all dumb enough to believe that Labour is even close to being a left wing party and National actually has a "dissenting opinion"

I now understand your user name - it's between your brain and your gob right?

[short-circuit]

I now understand your user name - it's between your brain and your gob right?

Is that all you've got?

I recognise those tactics - your lot are well known for them: When you've got no argument/policy, resort to personal insults.

(do it on the internet though so you get owned anonymously and it only hurts your feelings)

[Ocean1]

I recognise those tactics - your lot are well known for them

Let he who is without sin blacken the first kettle.

[MisterD]

Is that all you've got?

I recognise those tactics - your lot are well known for them: When you've got no argument/policy, resort to personal insults.

(do it on the internet though so you get owned anonymously and it only hurts your feelings)

What? You're crying 'cos I couldn't be bothered to chase your moving goalposts? HTFU.

[Swoop]

List MPs should be allocated proportionally on top of the electorate seats, giving more influence to members who actually have a direct mandate from their constituencies - dunno what that system's called, some wonk will no doubt inform us.

I am beginning to think that all list MP's MUST be standing for an electorate to be on "the list" of their party. The lunatic fringe (green...) do not represent an electorate but wish to represent an uninformed few who wish to enact punishment on the nation through increased regulations, fewer individual rights and exhorbitant taxation.


I see Obama was allowed to spend 9mil on one add, cant do that here.......
I like it when the words "9 mill" and "politician" come together.

[short-circuit]

What? You're crying 'cos I couldn't be bothered to chase your moving goalposts? HTFU.

Yeah that and you really hurt my feelings.

[short-circuit]

I am beginning to think that all list MP's MUST be standing for an electorate to be on "the list" of their party. The lunatic fringe (green...) do not represent an electorate but wish to represent an uninformed few who wish to enact punishment on the nation through increased regulations, fewer individual rights and exhorbitant taxation.



Notice the emotive language, that along with insults and scare tactics are what you rely on when you're too afraid to actually promote your policies cause they are just so damned unpalatable: Asset stripping, voucher systems in schools, privatisation, slashing of health and social services, dismantling acc and kiwisaver etc etc

You didn't quite get the phraseology right either though so I'll do it for you: It's the "lunatic left"

Oh and you're welcome to deregulation, individual rights, and a $45 dollar a week tax cut:

Fuck off back to the jungle in your loincloth and don't come back when you need a hospital bed, don't send your children to a university, don't complain when another hairy Neanderthal steals your motorbike and enjoy building your own road to ride it on.

As for "exorbitant taxation" have a wee look at Scandanavian countries where their "uninformed many" are apparently quite comfortable with contributing to the future of both themselves and their society:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

They must all be fucked in the head looney lefties nations doing it for no reason eh?

[puddytat]

Keep your head in the sand boys, or up your arse....what are you going to do in 20 years time when we run out of planet & there's 9 Billion of us...is the reason we're not thinking about the younger generations to come is that we plan to eat them ?
Youre (we) all just to fucking selfish & self centered. The reasons why the Greens are such a threat to you fellas is that you'd have to HTFU & face the reality that we may well be in the shit already & wether its a Green or what ever flag you wave youre just kidding yourself if you think that business as usual is going to save us.
Look at the mess the worlds in now....& we aint seen nothing yet.

[Forest]

Keep your head in the sand boys, or up your arse....what are you going to do in 20 years time when we run out of planet & there's 9 Billion of us...is the reason we're not thinking about the younger generations to come is that we plan to eat them ?
Youre (we) all just to fucking selfish & self centered. The reasons why the Greens are such a threat to you fellas is that you'd have to HTFU & face the reality that we may well be in the shit already & wether its a Green or what ever flag you wave youre just kidding yourself if you think that business as usual is going to save us.
Look at the mess the worlds in now....& we aint seen nothing yet.

Sorry to burst your armageddonist fantasy, but the world is neither in a mess or on the brink of collapse.

[fatzx10r]

keep NZ green...... buy kawasaki's :done:

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Keep your head in the sand boys, or up your arse....what are you going to do in 20 years time when we run out of planet & there's 9 Billion of us...is the reason we're not thinking about the younger generations to come is that we plan to eat them ?
Youre (we) all just to fucking selfish & self centered. The reasons why the Greens are such a threat to you fellas is that you'd have to HTFU & face the reality that we may well be in the shit already & wether its a Green or what ever flag you wave youre just kidding yourself if you think that business as usual is going to save us.
Look at the mess the worlds in now....& we aint seen nothing yet.


As you say... these people (or cave men) are mainly self centred with a healthy dollop of shortsighted and sprinkling ignorant. They are a waste of space - bigots with tunnel vision, but it's still satisfying exposing them as such.

[k14]

Notice the emotive language, that along with insults and scare tactics are what you rely on when you're too afraid to actually promote your policies cause they are just so damned unpalatable: Asset stripping, voucher systems in schools, privatisation, slashing of health and social services, dismantling acc and kiwisaver etc etc

You didn't quite get the phraseology right either though so I'll do it for you: It's the "lunatic left"

Oh and you're welcome to deregulation, individual rights, and a $45 dollar a week tax cut:

Fuck off back to the jungle in your loincloth and don't come back when you need a hospital bed, don't send your children to a university, don't complain when another hairy Neanderthal steals your motorbike and enjoy building your own road to ride it on.

As for "exorbitant taxation" have a wee look at Scandanavian countries where their "uninformed many" are apparently quite comfortable with contributing to the future of both themselves and their society:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

They must all be fucked in the head looney lefties nations doing it for no reason eh?
So you are on one hand ridiculing his post for using "emotive language, that along with insults and scare tactics" and then spout the same crap back. Obviously you can't construct a sound argument of any sorts so you have to lower yourself to personal insults and outrageous comments that are way off the mark.

Then you go on to say a whole heap of other stuff that is just wrong. Dismantling of Kiwisaver?? No, well if they want more than one term in gvnt that is. Privatisation?? Same answer again. Voucher system in schools?? Just a way to decrease the number of bureaucrats that manage the schooling system and finally allow schools to be up front about the real cost of attending them. Slashing of health and social services?? Please provide a link to that item of policy.

I'm all for a debate using non offensive language, I may even be able to see your point and why you would vote Labour but you need to grow up first.

[MisterD]

slashing of health and social services,

As I pointed out to your fellow lefties that run The Stranded yesterday, there is a correlation between tax cuts and spending on public services however this government has proven conclusively that there is absolutely no correlation between spending on public services and the quality they provide.

Liarbour pulled further left by the watermelon is a recipe for economic disaster.

Honestly the "Green" party need to pull their socks up, ditch the commies and nanny staters and focus on the environment that way they should be part of every government as they are in Germany.

[Finn]

Another rightwinger reveals his commitment to democracy

Democracy? What percentage of voters didn't vote for Liabour last election?

[MisterD]

Attention Facebookers: ROFL (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37602851463)

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So you are on one hand ridiculing his post for using "emotive language, that along with insults and scare tactics" and then spout the same crap back. Obviously you can't construct a sound argument of any sorts so you have to lower yourself to personal insults and outrageous comments that are way off the mark.

Then you go on to say a whole heap of other stuff that is just wrong. Dismantling of Kiwisaver?? No, well if they want more than one term in gvnt that is. Privatisation?? Same answer again. Voucher system in schools?? Just a way to decrease the number of bureaucrats that manage the schooling system and finally allow schools to be up front about the real cost of attending them. Slashing of health and social services?? Please provide a link to that item of policy.

I'm all for a debate using non offensive language, I may even be able to see your point and why you would vote Labour but you need to grow up first.


I would suggest that you go back and read this thread (and the myriad of others like it) properly to see where the outrageous comments and abuse originate from, but I suspect that you'll see only what suits you anyway so that would be a waste of time.

One needs only to have a think back to the 90s and take one look at the dead wood that would form a National cabinet to gain some vision of what that shower have lined up. The watered down comments about incremental change and outright ommission in terms of policy beyond TAX CUTS, TAX CUTS and LAW AND ORDER, LAW AND ORDER demonstrate just how robust and popular their agenda is.

Key's other favourite subject - THE ECONOMY shows the success of a free-market and deregulation. Incidently, I found it interesting how in the U.S and British goverments so suddenly though that State intervention was essential.

Why won't the greedy goverment stop blindly accumulating a huge surplus at the expense of hard working New Zealanders? Hmmm - I'm sure massive borrowing and tax cuts would have been just the thing for times like these...and running THE ECONOMY is supposed to be Key's strong point. Fiscal responsibilty? Give me a break

Lastly, how could you conclude from my comments that I would be voting Pepsi Labour over Coke National...as Renegade Masty says: "A vote for the greens is a vote for communism" They will get two from me :msn-wink:

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Attention Facebookers: ROFL (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37602851463)

Purile...but probably speaks volumes. Rightists don't actually like democracy and rights - They only give it lip service.

[Rosie]

Attention Facebookers: ROFL (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37602851463)

Ban the kittens, they are only going to grow up and eat native birds. :nono:

[MisterD]

Purile...but probably speaks volumes. Rightists don't actually like democracy and rights - They only give it lip service.

Once again proving the truism: If one wants to know what the Left are doing, look at what they are accusing the Right of.

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Once again proving the truism: If one wants to know what the Left are doing, look at what they are accusing the Right of.

Have you heard any complaints about the particpation of (in degrees of rabid rightishness) Act, National, United Future, NZ First, Labour etc in preceeding governments from Lefties?

It ain't an empty accusation - you guys just don't believe in democracy: All through this thread there's teeth-nashing about the (minimal) influence of minor parties, the Greens being only one of these.

[MisterD]

Have you heard any complaints about the particpation of (in degrees of rabid rightishness) Act, National, United Future, NZ First, Labour etc in preceeding governments from Lefties?

No, but we've seen the EFA shut down campaigning by any but political parties and trade unions, Liarbour and the Greens squeal about "big business" influence buying elections whilst all along they are rorting the public purse and getting double-bubble from Union funds.

BTW Jim Anderton, Act, UF actually manage to win electorate seats - they are accountable. The same cannot be said for Greens and Winston First.



It ain't an empty accusation - you guys just don't believe in democracy: All through this thread there's teeth-nashing about the (minimal) influence of minor parties, the Greens being only one of these.

Yeah minimal influence...that's why a proven crook is still part of the government and running around in a crown limo.

[k14]

Lastly, how could you conclude from my comments that I would be voting Pepsi Labour over Coke National...as Renegade Masty says: "A vote for the greens is a vote for communism" They will get two from me :msn-wink:
Greens/labour, its the same isn't it??

If you refer to my post here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1789766&postcount=44). May I ask if you support that, those are cold hard facts. Do you support child porn and p?? By the sounds of your other posts, totally plausible. The way the Greens voted on that list just shows what an extremist and illogical crowd they actually are. Get in the "anti-smacking" reform for so called "child welfare" but in the same breath condone child abortions?? Where is the logic there?

Yes, I could be fooled into voting for Labour, or any of the other parties, they are at least on the same planet as I am.

[short-circuit]

No, but we've seen the EFA shut down campaigning by any but political parties and trade unions, Liarbour and the Greens squeal about "big business" influence buying elections whilst all along they are rorting the public purse and getting double-bubble from Union funds.


So like me then you'd be all for transparent, equally distributed state funds for each political party - in order that fringe beneficiaries don't provide a unfair advantage prior to election and then receive afterward?

Or even more preferrable - censoring of propaganda and state run broadcasting?

After all (just like you and I) their fundamental positions don't change from one election to the next.

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Yeah minimal influence...that's why a proven crook is still part of the government and running around in a crown limo.

You a bit thick? This thread is about the greens I'm not about to start defending the actions of NZ First's leader, although I would suggest that Owen Glen was a plant and that corruption can an does occur even more prevalently within single party governments

[short-circuit]

Greens/labour, its the same isn't it??

If you refer to my post here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1789766&postcount=44). May I ask if you support that, those are cold hard facts. Do you support child porn and p?? By the sounds of your other posts, totally plausible. The way the Greens voted on that list just shows what an extremist and illogical crowd they actually are. Get in the "anti-smacking" reform for so called "child welfare" but in the same breath condone child abortions?? Where is the logic there?

Yes, I could be fooled into voting for Labour, or any of the other parties, they are at least on the same planet as I am.


Context my friend. And what are your sources out of interest? Selected readings from Bishop Brian Tamaki? You sound a bit like a candidate for Briansville, Sth Auckland.

[Ixion]

....as Renegade Masty says: "A vote for the greens is a vote for communism" They will get two from me :msn-wink:

If you believe that then you are lamentably ignorant about the nature of one or both. I cannot readily conceive of two ideals more radically divergent than Communism and Greens.

Unfortunately there is no Communist candidate in my electorate so I will be able to give them only one of my votes. The other will go, as always to the man/woman/goat that I judge best capable of representing the interests of the electorate, regardless of party.

[k14]

Context my friend. And what are your sources out of interest? Selected readings from Bishop Brian Tamaki? You sound a bit like a candidate for Briansville, Sth Auckland.
No certainly not, just a regular kiwi as far as I am concerned. I thought that the majority of kiwis would also object to child porn and P so either I'm mistaken or you're in the minority. If you bothered to read my link the sources are all there to be seen.

[MisterD]

So like me then you'd be all for transparent, equally distributed state funds for each political party - in order that fringe beneficiaries don't provide a unfair advantage prior to election and then receive afterward?

Or even more preferrable - censoring of propaganda and state run broadcasting?

After all (just like you and I) their fundamental positions don't change from one election to the next.

Fuck no. Transparent is good, state funding is not. If you can't get donors who believe in your message to fund you, you don't deserve an outlet for your views.

[SPman]

...yes, and the party responsible for shutting down dissenting opinion for the whole of election year is...?
Do you actually research what you spout, or regurgitate the hysterical screechings from, what passes for, the media, in NZ?

[MisterD]

You a bit thick? This thread is about the greens I'm not about to start defending the actions of NZ First's leader, although I would suggest that Owen Glen was a plant and that corruption can an does occur even more prevalently within single party governments

No, it appears that you are. The point was about how a minor party with only 5% can hold a larger party to ransom. The particular party is irrelevant to that point.

[MisterD]

Do you actually research what you spout, or regurgitate the hysterical screechings from, what passes for, the media, in NZ?

What was it the head of the Electoral Commission said? A "chilling effect" wasn't it.

[short-circuit]

If you believe that then you are lamentably ignorant about the nature of one or both. I cannot readily conceive of two ideals more radically divergent than Communism and Greens.

Unfortunately there is no Communist candidate in my electorate so I will be able to give them only one of my votes. The other will go, as always to the man/woman/goat that I judge best capable of representing the interests of the electorate, regardless of party.


Yes just being inflammatory really (I'd consider the Greens to be slightly left of centre - the only political party in NZ that side of the spectrum). They get my party vote. Regrettably miles from a true socialist presence

The Labour candidate in my electorate gets the other as where I live they could put a monkey in a blue suit and get him elected - they'd probably make him one of their cabinet ministers too if they could

[Paulo]

Thanks for the list, just convinced me to vote Green ;)

[Finn]

Yes just being inflammatory really (I'd consider the Greens to be slightly left of centre - the only political party in NZ that side of the spectrum). They get my party vote. Regrettably miles from a true socialist presence

The Labour candidate in my electorate gets the other as where I live they could put a monkey in a blue suit and get him elected - they'd probably make him one of their cabinet ministers too if they could

You're going to be so fucked when National form a Government. I sure hope you've got a good set of riding leathers. You're going to need them when reality gives you a stern kicking up the arse.

[short-circuit]

You're going to be so fucked when National form a Government. I sure hope you've got a good set of riding leathers. You're going to need them when reality gives you a stern kicking up the arse.

No, not really. I'm lucky in that I am fairly comfortable myself I won't really be too badly affected. Social outcomes for the less fortunate will certainly be worse and as a society we will go backwards. Must be really life affiming knowing your going to contribute to that.

Are you as ugly and offensive on the inside as your Profile picture Finn?

[ManDownUnder]

Are you as ugly and offensive on the inside as your Profile picture Finn?

That's not Finn ya dick! It's his brother Gill. Finn didn't get the looks or the height that Gill did. Finn's got long flowing hair all down his back.

... none on his head... but all down his back!

[imdying]

Do some research on how C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N governments work all over the world...

Then compare with how democratic the old first past the post was when one party like national could govern on the strength it's usual 30% support base.

Face it that's their lot here 30% and fuck all friends - except Act, Roger, Mugabe, Mussolini oh and a guy called Adolf ha ha ha

Yes, I can see how the 5% holding the balance is better than the 30% holding it... A coalition is too much based on a certain amount of honour being used, clearly that's fail concept in that environment.

[SPman]

The Labour candidate in my electorate gets the other as where I live they could put a monkey in a blue suit and get him elected - they'd probably make him one of their cabinet ministers too if they could
You're in North Shore too, eh? :rolleyes:

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Yes, I can see how the 5% holding the balance is better than the 30% holding it... A coalition is too much based on a certain amount of honour being used, clearly that's fail concept in that environment.

Yes clearly first past the post which was a far fairer system - where 70% of the public can vote against Coke but cause Pepsi got only 28%, Coke become the government.

For the record I would much prefer a voting system that would provide for much more proportional representation:

STV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

Right wingers only favour (their version of) "democracy" cause it gives the impression of providing participation and representation - whilst actually retaining the status quo.

As this thread has demostrated however they actually can't stand the fact that New Zealand has matured enough to have moved away from just Coke and Pepsi....waaahh it's not fair!!!!

[short-circuit]

You're in North Shore too, eh? :rolleyes:

Ha ha ha - nah, not that bad...commiserations though

[SPman]

Yes, I can see how the 5% holding the balance is better than the 30% holding it... A coalition is too much based on a certain amount of honour being used, clearly that's fail concept in that environment.
Honour!

This is politics, we're talking about, right?

The only reason a party needs a coalition partner, or partners, is to guarantee supply. From there on it is, or should be, all downhill for the major partner. I thought the Greens were piss weak in the last term - they could have tried to force much more through, if they weren't a pack of pansies! If the Maaaaari party hold the balance next time, I'd expect to see much more wailing and gnashing of teeth from the major partner, National or Labour!

[short-circuit]

Honour!

This is politics, we're talking about, right?

The only reason a party needs a coalition partner, or partners, is to guarantee supply. From there on it is, or should be, all downhill for the major partner. I thought the Greens were piss weak in the last term - they could have tried to force much more through, if they weren't a pack of pansies! If the Maaaaari party hold the balance next time, I'd expect to see much more wailing and gnashing of teeth from the major partner, National or Labour!

Oh god wouldn't that be great

[Quasievil]

What you lot arguing about, no matter who gets in where fucked its just the degree of fuckness you need to vote for for example

Hardcore Fuckedness = labour , greens, Moari, others in coalition

Not so Fuckedness = National with any power

we are all fucked infact fucked so much that its pointless to waste time on here arguing who will and who wont fuck us the most.

So on that basis dont worry about it my fellow fucked NZrs

Get used to your Fuckedness , learn to embrace it for what it is, then and only then will you be a happy fucker

[sAsLEX]

Do you actually research what you spout, or regurgitate the hysterical screechings from, what passes for, the media, in NZ?

It was under Labour that the media was gagged from showing poor behaviour from our representatives in Parliament wasn't it?

[short-circuit]

Democracy? What percentage of voters didn't vote for Liabour last election?

Doesn't quite grasp the concept of proportional representation does he?

This is from Wikipedia - I have even highlighted the most relevant part for you as it appears you are quite slow:

"Proportional representation (sometimes referred to as full representation, or PR), is a category of electoral formula aiming at a close match between the percentage of votes that groups of candidates (grouped by a certain measure) obtain in elections and the percentage of seats they receive (usually in legislative assemblies). PR is a democratic principle rather than an electoral system in itself. It is often contrasted to plurality voting systems, where disproportional seat distribution results from the division of voters into multiple electoral districts, especially "winner takes all" plurality ("first past the post" or FPTP) districts".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation

[Swoop]

You didn't quite get the phraseology right either though so I'll do it for you: It's the "lunatic left"
Nope, quite happy with "Lunatic fringe" since the greens are right at the edge of sensability.

Has your other login been faulty recently IdolIdleIdill?

[short-circuit]

Fuck no. Transparent is good, state funding is not. If you can't get donors who believe in your message to fund you, you don't deserve an outlet for your views.

He he yeah Exclusive Brethern - That kind of transparent or that kind of donor?

How will a political party that represents poor/disadvantaged/working class be able to "compete" with pro-business...oh that's right they aren't supposed to

Private broadcasting is good too aye - Duncan on TV3 (Canwest) talking up National and selling health insurance and suzuki swifts in the ad breaks

[short-circuit]

Nope, quite happy with "Lunatic fringe" since the greens are right at the edge of sensability.

Has your other login been faulty recently IdolIdleIdill?


Roger Douglas? Gengis Khan fancy meeting you in here...oh you're neither, just some deluded prick thinking you'll get an easier ride with the business party at the expense of others.

Is IdolIdleIdill voting Green too? Wish he'd put some posts in here this is become tiresome.

[MisterD]

He he yeah Exclusive Brethern - That kind of transparent or that kind of donor?

Oh yeah, "big business" = owning a lawnmower repair shop. That was (admittedly very successful) Liarbour scaremongering that one..



How will a political party that represents poor/disadvantaged/working class be able to "compete" with pro-business...oh that's right they aren't supposed to


No, they'll extract money from union members as they currently do, and legislate to protect those unions ability to do so.



Private broadcasting is good too aye - Duncan on TV3 (Canwest) talking up National and selling health insurance and suzuki swifts in the ad breaks

Duncan Garner (and Fran Mouldyknickers on the other channel) should come with a fricken Liarbour Party authorisation statement. Getting all f-ing breathless over JK meeting with a big cheese in the UK conservative party but have we heard anything about Murky Mike Williams using a Liarbour Australia's top lawyer to get a court order to release H-Fee papers?

Don't.Make.Me.Larf.

[MisterD]

Roger Douglas?

Exactly how many of Sir Roger's reforms have been repealed? Exactly none. The bloke saved the fucking country, and does he get any thanks from the general populace? Fat fucking chance.

[Swoop]

Is IdolIdleIdill voting Green too? Wish he'd put some posts in here this is become tiresome.
Well, you had better log out and log back in under that username then.

No, they'll extract money from union members as they currently do, and legislate to protect those unions ability to do so.
Some fucker at work went around putting Liarbour propaganda pamphlets (all glossy - fancy printed) in all of the pigeon holes.

It took me ages to go around and gather them all up, then deliver them into the circular filing system.

[short-circuit]

Exactly how many of Sir Roger's reforms have been repealed? Exactly none.

Yes highly regretable - so what the fuck is your problem with Pepsi Labour then?

Can you not get your head around the fact that there is no left wing presence in New Zealand politics or media?

[MisterD]

Yes highly regretable - so what the fuck is your problem with Pepsi Labour then?

I'm voting ACT, work it out for yourself.



Can you not get your head around the fact that there is no left wing presence in New Zealand politics or media?

Does that all fit on a Tui billboard? Welcome to my ignore list.

[short-circuit]

Exactly how many of Sir Roger's reforms have been repealed? Exactly none. The bloke saved the fucking country, and does he get any thanks from the general populace? Fat fucking chance.

OK you voting Act or Nazis this election?

Look at how well he created a social underclass and dropped working New Zealanders standard of living. Didn't he do well...I suppose it provides a good excuse to shout about LAW & ORDER rathether than having to focus on your policies are just more of that same agenda - Privatise.

The cunt should be hung.

[SPman]

By the nuts.........

[k14]

OK you voting Act or Nazis this election?

Look at how well he created a social underclass and dropped working New Zealanders standard of living. Didn't he do well...I suppose it provides a good excuse to shout about LAW & ORDER rathether than having to focus on your policies are just more of that same agenda - Privatise.

The cunt should be hung.
And I guess by the same argument Muldoon was an angel??

[short-circuit]

I'm voting ACT, work it out for yourself.

What a revelation...and what was that about politicians entering parliament on the strength of a party vote?

Go back and hide under the rock you came from.

P.S is that your scooter in your profile picture? Noted

[Quasievil]

OK you voting Act or Nazis this election?

Look at how well he created a social underclass and dropped working New Zealanders standard of living. Didn't he do well...I suppose it provides a good excuse to shout about LAW & ORDER instead admitting your policy is just more of that same agenda - Privatise.

The cunt should be hung

:clap:LOL , Im voting ACT to why? because I have a Brain that thinks for itself and I dont need a beauracrat to tell me how to live, unlike a Labour voter who wants the Bums and tax draining low lifes to be secured in their lazy arse life on the couch whining about how unfortunate they are

If it wasnt for the reforms Mr Douglas did in the 80's you would be still under the communist agenda regime, ie import restrictions (tho shalt buy only one brand of fridge one brand of carpet and no you may not subscribe and recieve a foreign magazine etc etc etc).

A Vote for left Labour/ Green/NZ FIRST etc is a vote for social agendas and backward thinking economies, just like what we have now......you can embrace it and keep NZ in the Non advancing state its been in for years, you can be bleed dry by the lying decieving BS self indulging cronnies who call them selfs leaders (WTF) Im voting to give NZ a chance on a positive growth economy where we as individuals have freedom of how we spend our own money.

"Developed Social under classes"? , give me a break !! typical bloody lefty "its every ones elses fault", please save me Mrs Clarke" FFS

rant over

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And I guess by the same argument Muldoon was an angel??

Maybe in your world. I'd place him slightly left of cunt

[short-circuit]

:clap:LOL , Im voting ACT to why? because I have a Brain that thinks for itself and I dont need a beauracrat to tell me how to live, unlike a Labour voter who wants the Bums and tax draining low lifes to be secured in their lazy arse life on the couch whining about how unfortunate they are

If it wasnt for the reforms Mr Douglas did in the 80's you would be still under the communist agenda regime, ie import restrictions (tho shalt buy only one brand of fridge one brand of carpet and no you may not subscribe and recieve a foreign magazine etc etc etc).

A Vote for left Labour/ Green/NZ FIRST etc is a vote for social agendas and backward thinking economies, just like what we have now......you can embrace it and keep NZ in the Non advancing state its been in for years, you can be bleed dry by the lying decieving BS self indulging cronnies who call them selfs leaders (WTF) Im voting to give NZ a chance on a positive growth economy where we as individuals have freedom of how we spend our own money.

"Developed Social under classes"? , give me a break !! typical bloody lefty "its every ones elses fault", please save me Mrs Clarke" FFS

rant over

Nice another self confessed fascist...must be why you've got nearly 4500 posts on this forum alone - no life, no meaningful relationships, a shitty little businessman focussed on SELF

As I've made quite clear throughout I'm no supporter or apologist for Labour - I see them as a lesser evil

[Kaituna]

Short-circuit.... Why do you feel you have to get all nasty and personal to Quasi when he did not do that to you. All he was doing was sharing his view point with us. You do not need to show your obvious evidence of childhood conduct disorder manifested by your obnoxious and intolerant tone.

[short-circuit]

I also wonder Quasi whether an ACT/National government will be good to a motorcycle apparel peddling business?

More intriguing for me is whether being an out of the closet ACT party voter will be good for business?

Don't worry - I'll spread the word among those I know

[short-circuit]

Short-circuit.... Why do you feel you have to get all nasty and personal to Quasi when he did not do that to you. All he was doing was sharing his view point with us. You do not need to show your obvious evidence of childhood conduct disorder manifested by your obnoxious and intolerant tone.

Because "the political is personal". Some people's values or lack of them are repugnant to me and around this time it bothers me that their lack of conscience or complete ignorance will affect me and those I love.

P.S. What medication would you prescribe for intolerance doctor?

[Ixion]

..
P.S. What medication would you prescribe for intolerance doctor?

Lead. About 160 grains should do it.

[Kaituna]

Medication? Four Jack Daniels and Coke with no Ice 4 x PRN until numb.

[Ixion]

And I guess by the same argument Muldoon was an angel??

I knew him. He was a pretty good bloke actually.

[k14]

Because "the political is personal". Some people's values or lack of them are repugnant to me and around this time it bothers me that their lack of conscience or complete ignorance will affect me and those I love.

P.S. What medication would you prescribe for intolerance doctor?
Lack of values? Oh like the green's values towards child porn or the reclassification of P and don't forget being all for the murdering of innocent unborn babies.

But seriously, if you were serious at all about trying to get the point across you wouldn't stoop to personal abuse. You really need to get a grip and grow up cause its starting to get really old.

[k14]

I knew him. He was a pretty good bloke actually.
I think we will save that argument for another day (although I'm too young to have a properly informed opinion about 80's politics).

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Nice another self confessed fascist...must be why you've got nearly 4500 posts on this forum alone - no life, no meaningful relationships, a shitty little businessman focussed on SELF

As I've made quite clear throughout I'm no supporter or apologist for Labour - I see them as a lesser evil

What a dick you are mate - Billy no mates with a chip on his shoulder...

[puddytat]

:corn::doobey::doobey::drinkup:

[short-circuit]

Good night all. Nice chatting with you

[SixPackBack]

I knew him. He was a pretty good bloke actually.

He should have been shot!

[Quasievil]

Nice another self confessed fascist...must be why you've got nearly 4500 posts on this forum alone - no life, no meaningful relationships, a shitty little businessman focussed on SELF

As I've made quite clear throughout I'm no supporter or apologist for Labour - I see them as a lesser evil


And here my fellow Kiwibikers is a demonstration as why we are FUCKED as a country.

A Typical lefty Arrogant and unqualified assessment of my social life, coupled with being labelled as a shitty little businessman (like im supposed to be sorry for it).

Thank you Short Circuit you truly are a lefty, however it will pain you to know you couldnt be more wrong about my social life and it will pain you more that I WONT apologize for being a businessman, but none of this is actually any of your business, what seems to be your business is encouraging us into thinking you are a complete moron and congrats you are extremely successful !!

KB gains yet another keyboard Warrior with a attitude problem ,I pity you fella.........no I really actually do

[Swoop]

lying decieving BS self indulging cronnies who call them selfs leaders (WTF)
The parties to avoid will have "co-leaders" since they do not have a single person posessive of enough brains to be a proper leader.

[Forest]

Yes highly regretable - so what the fuck is your problem with Pepsi Labour then?

Can you not get your head around the fact that there is no left wing presence in New Zealand politics or media?

No left wing presence in New Zealand politics?

Poor Jim Anderton. Even the left wing no longer recognises him as one of their own.

[Finn]

As this thread has demostrated however they actually can't stand the fact that New Zealand has matured enough to have moved away from just Coke and Pepsi....waaahh it's not fair!!!!

Mature? The country is basically fucked. Real mature.

[rodimus]

No left wing presence in New Zealand politics?

Poor Jim Anderton. Even the left wing no longer recognises him as one of their own.

WTF?

Don't you mean there is no right wing left in NZ Polictics. It's been banned or brought out by the Far Left Labour party!

[Magua]

WTF?

Don't you mean there is no right wing left in NZ Polictics. It's been banned or brought out by the Far Left Labour party!

What makes labour far left? Free trade policies are not a hallmark of the left, and we have them with China and Chile thanks to labour, not to mention the impending deal with the USA.

Banning = authoritarian, nothing to do with left or right.

[Forest]

WTF?

Don't you mean there is no right wing left in NZ Polictics. It's been banned or brought out by the Far Left Labour party!

I was replying to short-circuit who said:


Can you not get your head around the fact that there is no left wing presence in New Zealand politics or media?

[MisterD]

What makes labour far left?

Big state, tax and spend fiscal policy since you ask.

[Swoop]

What makes labour far left?
Freedom of speech and liberties???

[Magua]

Big state

Statism, authoritarianism. Happens at both ends of the spectrum.

[Forest]

What makes labour far left? Free trade policies are not a hallmark of the left, and we have them with China and Chile thanks to labour, not to mention the impending deal with the USA.

Banning = authoritarian, nothing to do with left or right.

The left-wing hallmarks of the Labour government include:

Increased regulation
Increased government spending
Enlargement of the civil service
Re-nationalisation of infrastructure (ACC, the railways)
Overly generous welfare system

[davereid]

IMHO the Greens arent really Green anyway.

They have an organic grandma in nominal charge.

But the vast majority of greens are marxist or socialist, or stoned or stupid (or any combination thereof) and just seem to be grabbing the green tag as a flag of convenience.

Lets look at the carbon trading scam.

It sounds great - bad industries buy carbon fron good industries, thus punishing the polluter.

But in reality, in a rural country like ours, the bad industries are essential ones, that we can't really cut.

Like food production, dairy, and electricity.

Putting up the input costs to these guys will just result in higher prices for us all, not less carbon prduction.

Electricity and quality food will just be rationed, with the dollar coin as your ration card.

We will force the poor, our pensioners and low waged to either use less, or buy a lower quality product.

Will it help ? Nope, as only the poor will be hurt.