Fast and Safe

[Clockwork]

Yup. Thats just my opinion of arseholes who constantly flaut every traffic regulation in the book. The recidivist ones that constantly drive drunk, unlicenced, disqualified and in clapped out dangerous pieces of shit. They are the ones that I really enjoy seeing get jail time. And by the way, pretty much all drivers in this category are criminals in the true sense of the word too.
Fair enough..... I just thought you may have been referring to me at the time :cool:

[scumdog]

Let them pass..... remember what Billy Connelly said last night, "its nothing personal". Anyway I never suggested that the limits should be variable but the state's approach to policing them can be. In some cases higher limits may be appropriate.
To my mind this argument cuts both ways.
(...probably :whistle: )

Imagine the bun-fight (and complaints to the Court) when rider A finds out rider B got let off doing 120kph on the same road that A got a ticket on for doing 112kph just because the cop thought A was too fast and the second cop thought B was doing a safe speed. :crazy: :confused2 :disapint:

[Clockwork]

Imagine the bun-fight (and complaints to the Court) when rider A finds out rider B got let off doing 120kph on the same road that A got a ticket on for doing 112kph just because the cop thought A was too fast and the second cop thought B was doing a safe speed. :crazy: :confused2 :disapint:
Rider A would need to be sure he was comparing apples with apples...... traffic conditions, light, weather, maybe even the condition of the respective vehicles and their (demeanour?).

I suppose no system is ever going to be perfect. Rider A might just as well bitch about there being "no cop at all" when Rider B was doing his run.

Do you feel that speed cameras and fixed penalties deliver justice? Is this as good as we can make it? :spudwhat:

[Mongoose]

Rider A would need to be sure he was comparing apples with apples...... traffic conditions, light, weather, maybe even the condition of the respective vehicles and their (demeanour?).

I suppose no system is ever going to be perfect. Rider A might just as well bitch about there being "no cop at all" when Rider B was doing his run.

Do you feel that speed cameras and fixed penalties deliver justice? Is this as good as we can make it? :spudwhat:

How is it the cops, or who ever, decide that you are a capable rider and not a lack wit? Many laws are made to cover everyone and not segragated to make differences between the bottom and top

[Paul in NZ]

Let them pass..... remember what Billy Connelly said last night, "its nothing personal". Anyway I never suggested that the limits should be variable but the state's approach to policing them can be. In some cases higher limits may be appropriate.


To my mind this argument cuts both ways.




Letting them pass (ie not hogging the fast lane and being un reasonable) and physically being able to do so safely are 2 different things.

I should have been clearer. There are bugger all roads where you can let someone past without a major drama or making the situation more dangerous.


Paul N

[Paul in NZ]

Going by the two or three video clips of motorway driving we saw on that piece last night I'm happy to say that the last thing we need is more motorway. What I saw on that show mirrored pretty much exactly what I've seen everytime I drive on either the Auckland or Wellington motorways. It is a miracle that our road toll is as low as it currently is.

Amen brother...

Some bastards must have shit hot jobs or a terrible home life 'cos they are in one hell of a hurry to get to work. No hurry here..

Plus... Why are all these dudes that have XR8's, Commode SS's and shit always in a hurry? Are there cars so terrible that they need to get the trip over and done with quickly? (PT)

Paul N

[Clockwork]

How is it the cops, or who ever, decide that you are a capable rider and not a lack wit? Many laws are made to cover everyone and not segragated to make differences between the bottom and top

I would have thought the circumstances of the offence would be the indicator.

[Clockwork]

Letting them pass (ie not hogging the fast lane and being un reasonable) and physically being able to do so safely are 2 different things.

I should have been clearer. There are bugger all roads where you can let someone past without a major drama or making the situation more dangerous.


Paul N

If the road is tight, as they often are, pull left...... (but stay on the road)... indicate and slow down (until they have passed). Minimum fuss, problem solved and your area of the road has just become safer.

[Paul in NZ]

If the road is tight, as they often are, pull left...... (but stay on the road)... indicate and slow down (until they have passed). Minimum fuss, problem solved and your area of the road has just become safer.

I've had people do that for me while I was on the bike.

The car just flicks up crap on the side of the road. It would be nice if we had clean hard shoulders but the fact is, we don't and some folks take behaviour approriate to broad highways onto our goat tracks as well.


Oh well

Paul N

[spudchucka]

Fair enough..... I just thought you may have been referring to me at the time :cool:
No way dude. How'd you get that idea??

[scumdog]

Rider A would need to be sure he was comparing apples with apples...... traffic conditions, light, weather, maybe even the condition of the respective vehicles and their (demeanour?).

I suppose no system is ever going to be perfect. Rider A might just as well bitch about there being "no cop at all" when Rider B was doing his run.

Do you feel that speed cameras and fixed penalties deliver justice? Is this as good as we can make it? :spudwhat:

Chances are that A would think he WAS comparing apples with apples when he actually was comparing apples with artichokes.

Plus people 'bend' things a little to make the artichoke look like an apple to suit their cause.

Speed cameras and fixed penalties are not 100% just but they DO draw a line - and give members of this site a topic to whinge about. :bleh:

[speedpro]

Letting them pass (ie not hogging the fast lane and being un reasonable) and physically being able to do so safely are 2 different things.

I should have been clearer. There are bugger all roads where you can let someone past without a major drama or making the situation more dangerous.


Paul N
I would have to disagree about chances to pull over. I used to drive the ute with trailer from Wellington to Ohakea and back every month or so. Sometimes I'd just cruise along at 80Kmh and other drivers would collect behind me. There was plenty of opportunity to pull over and let them past which I did. Seldom would I get more than 4-5 behind before the opportunity to pull over came along. I'd consider this piece of road pretty typical of NZ roads in this regard.

Occassionally someone would be reluctant to take the oppurtunity to overtake when I had pulled over but was still doing 80kmh. Slamming the brakes on would result in them overtaking before they sometimes had time to react, good for a laugh. Following drivers would go past tooting and laughing.

[Mongoose]

I would have thought the circumstances of the offence would be the indicator.

But with out a speed limit, there is the element of opinion, and you sure as hell aint going to admit what you did could be dangerous, right? See, the way Alan put it, you would just about have to wait for someone to do it wrong before you could prove it was dangerous/stupid or what ever, at least with fixed speed limits its cut and dried, you either did or did not speed.

[Clockwork]

No way dude. How'd you get that idea??

I think we were discussing Stop signs at the time..... I may be mistaken. Anyway, no offence was taken nor intended..... I was just feeling a bit mischevious when I saw an opportunity to toss it back in. :2thumbsup

[Clockwork]

Speed cameras and fixed penalties are not 100% just but they DO draw a line - and give members of this site a topic to whinge about. :bleh:

Now there is a virtue I had never previously seen. :laugh:

[Clockwork]

But with out a speed limit, there is the element of opinion, and you sure as hell aint going to admit what you did could be dangerous, right? See, the way Alan put it, you would just about have to wait for someone to do it wrong before you could prove it was dangerous/stupid or what ever, at least with fixed speed limits its cut and dried, you either did or did not speed.
Maybe I'm coming at this from another direction. If Fast and Safe is genuinely advocating "no limits" then..... :shrug: I don't want to drive on those roads either.

In general I don't have problem with the system that we have. I think some limits could be higher, I think existing limits should be policed according to road safety requirements rather than by arbitrary thresholds set by budget controlling beauracrats and I think the fixed penalty system should be binned.

[Mongoose]

Maybe I'm coming at this from another direction. If Fast and Safe is genuinely advocating "no limits" then..... :shrug: I don't want to drive on those roads either.

In general I don't have problem with the system that we have. I think some limits could be higher, I think existing limits should be policed according to road safety requirements rather than by arbitrary thresholds set by budget controlling beauracrats and I think the fixed penalty system should be binned.


Have you heard the complaints about variations in the speed limit as it is, 50 to 100 and steps between. And imagine the cries of, what sign, I never saw it, jeeeeezus, why dont they just have the one speed and save all the hassle.

[Clockwork]

Have you heard the complaints about variations in the speed limit as it is, 50 to 100 and steps between. And imagine the cries of, what sign, I never saw it, jeeeeezus, why dont they just have the one speed and save all the hassle.

Have you seen the limits in Queensland, they change every couple of hundred metres and they will lowers the limits on a highway around intersections..... you gotta keep your eyes open.... but then if your going fast that's probably a good idea.

No offense but to my mind what you've suggested enables drivers to stick their thumb up their bums and put their minds in neutral :blink:. This may simplify policing but will it make the roads safer?

[Paul in NZ]

I would have to disagree about chances to pull over. I used to drive the ute with trailer from Wellington to Ohakea and back every month or so. Sometimes I'd just cruise along at 80Kmh and other drivers would collect behind me. There was plenty of opportunity to pull over and let them past which I did. Seldom would I get more than 4-5 behind before the opportunity to pull over came along. I'd consider this piece of road pretty typical of NZ roads in this regard.

Occassionally someone would be reluctant to take the oppurtunity to overtake when I had pulled over but was still doing 80kmh. Slamming the brakes on would result in them overtaking before they sometimes had time to react, good for a laugh. Following drivers would go past tooting and laughing.

Yes! That works on Shw1

However on roads like the paekakareiki hill road i have to spot a good place well in advance and really drive into it and brake aggresively and come to a complete stop to make it. Usually mr fuckwit XR man is already right up my arse so it actually can cause a problem.

No worries pulling over but pulling off the road completely and coming to a halt is a big ask.

So I have no worries on bigger straighter roads, it the little country roads were you have to be bloody careful pulling over.

Paul N